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  1. Alright....looks like it's my turn at the plate. Since I'd used this forum quite a bit when making decisions concerning my hair restoration surgery, I thought I'd share my experience with the community to help others make their decisions as well. My FUE procedure with ASMED was performed 11 days ago (December 17, 2018) and I had 3051 grafts transplanted. My progress and thoughts are described below. Online Quote I submitted my request for a quote on ASMED's website. This was a pretty simple process involving the submission of 12 photos (6 wet, 6 dry) from various angles and the submission of answers, on the website, to certain questions related to my hair loss, hair restoration goals, and medical history. Within a day, I received an email assigning me my patient coordinator. The following, day, I received an estimate for the total graft count I'd likely need, as well as the expected duration (in days) of the surgery and the amount of time I'd need to spend in Istanbul. A rough sketch of the surgical plan was provided, as well as a brief synopsis of what the surgery would entail, as well as the price per graft (2.5 euros) and information about the regrowth warranty. For those who have not done this yet, I'd recommend using a flash when you take your pictures. I didn't use a flash with mine (I used indirect natural light) and ended up getting under-quoted, as the extent of my hair loss at the vertex wasn't completely apparent in the images I had provided. Why I Chose ASMED I did a lot of research prior to making my decision. Out of all the reputable doctors I found (ones who were endorsed by the IAHRS, American Hair Loss Association, and this forum), Dr. Koray had the most patient results posted online, both by the clinic and by the patients, themselves. I had done an analysis of these results on one of the other threads by scanning through three of the online forums, including this one, and found that there was at least an 81% chance of having a good to great result, which was sufficient for me. There weren't really enough reviews of the other doctors to analyze them in a similar way with statistical significance. When combined with the cost of the procedure (which was relatively low compared to other top-tier clinics), dates of availability that aligned with my own, the 90% regrowth guarantee, ASMED's generally good reputation, etc., this clinic seemed like the best match for me. Coordination Prior to Trip While I waited for a few months between the submission of my deposit and my travel date, I peppered my coordinator (Muge) with questions about the process and procedure. For example, I asked her about: Methods of payment (including exchange rates, whether I could bring USD for the cash portion of my payment, etc.). You make an initial deposit in euros (maximum of 3500 euros) and then the remainder of the balance is paid in cash upon arrival at the clinic, on the consultation day. I was allowed to bring USD. To be honest, I wasn't very happy about having to carry thousands of dollars of cash with me (since I was kind of paranoid about losing it or being robbed), but, thankfully, I didn't end up having any issues. Information about my personal safety and the drivers. ASMED provides a photograph of their drivers, who pick you up at the airport, drive you to the hotel/clinic. All transportation to/from the airport and to/from the clinic is handled by ASMED. Information about accommodations. You're given the choice to stay at the Radisson Blu Istanbul Asia or at the clinic itself. I opted for the former, as the rooms at the clinic, as nice as they were, looked/felt a bit too much like hospital rooms. Also, I liked the 24 hour room service available at the hotel and the option to eat in solitude, if I so chose. If you choose to stay at the clinic, however, they provide you free meals throughout the day (you only get breakfast included if you stay at the hotel). Details about who would be performing the various aspects of the surgery, which was a point of contention on these forums. Dr. Koray performs the consultation, draws the hairline, and does the incisions during the surgery. Techs to the extraction and implantations. I discussed this at length with my coordinator and had a thorough understanding of how this would work long before I traveled; by the time I made the trip, I was comfortable with this arrangement. From what I was told, all technicians are required to meet specific, rigorous requirements (certain number of years practicing with the clinic, quality certification, etc.) before they are allowed to take part in the surgery. My coordinator was responsive, quick, and went out of her way to allay any of the concerns I had. She responded to me by email, phone (on the rare occasion when texting wouldn't be sufficient), and WhatsApp texting. Flights, Transportation, and Hotel I'm not going to go into detail about the flights, as that whole process is pretty straightforward and not really relevant to the clinic itself. Given that I'm from the US, I did need to get a travel visa to enter Turkey (you can do this online in advance and it costs about 20 USD). As expected, my driver was waiting for me in the airport arrivals area. He was holding a tablet with my name on it. The ride from the airport to the hotel was about 45 minutes (you cross from the European side of Istanbul to the Asian side) and I was the only passenger. The driver was friendly and responsive to my requests; he even described some parts of the city to me, as if he were giving a tour, during the drive. Additionally, water bottles and snacks were available inside the car. I opted to stay in the hotel for the reasons previously described. The room is comfortable and clean and there's a nice view of Istanbul if you're on one of the higher floors. Moreover, the hotel has 24 hour room service and a reasonably diverse menu -- this was a big selling point for me, as I was a bit self conscious about leaving the room with my head all marked up before the surgery and bandaged up after surgery. The employees at the front desk speak English, though the room service bellhops sometimes don't (IMO, they didn't really need to). The hotel has a spa and other pretty cool amenities, though I'll admit I didn't take advantage of many of them. In-Person Consultation On consultation day (the Friday before the procedure), I was driven to the clinic in the early afternoon. I was promptly greeted in the lobby by my coordinator, as well as a host who asked if I needed a drink or a snack (she did this repeatedly throughout the day). Two girls in the lobby serenaded the waiting patients with piano and violin. The atmosphere was light and relaxing. There were several other patients in the lobby at the same time, taking a break from various stages of the consultation. My coordinator sat down with me and gave me an overview of what I should be expecting that day, as well as on surgery day. After we discussed certain questions I had, she led me to various rooms for different stages of the pre-operative process, including a blood test and EKG, photographs, head shaving, etc. These activities were generally smooth and quick, though I had one small criticism -- specifically, that I had to wait for a while in the lobby for Dr. Koray to finish surgery before my in-person consultation. I was really jetlagged and tired at the time and it would've been better if I didn't have to wait nearly as long between the tests and the consultation with the doctor (like if they had timed me to come later in the afternoon). Other than this, everything was pleasant. When I met with Dr. Koray in his office, he greeted me warmly and introduced me to some of the other senior staff members. He came across as affable, jovial, and welcoming. As I introduced myself, he cracked a joke about the trend line from my analysis on this forum; at first, I was a bit taken aback that he knew I was the author, since I never actually identified myself (but I guess there weren't many American patients coming at the same time as I was). I sat down and Dr. Koray showed me the photographs taken earlier that day on his monitor. I showed him my own printed photos of what I wanted to look like (images of me from about 5 years ago), as well as pictures of my bald grandfather as an illustration of family history. Dy. Koray explained that we could meet my goal, but that I was, unfortunately, on my way to a NW6 (I'm currently NW3). He went on to explain that the degree of surgical intervention required would likely be higher than originally expected. As mentioned above, the photos taken at the clinic revealed noticeable thinning at the crown/vertex that wasn't nearly as apparent in the images that I had taken at home. The doctor recommended that I take finasteride in order to avoid having to come back to have the vertex worked in the near future (I was only quoted for a one day surgery on the frontal part of my head) and I explained to him the negative experience (i.e., side effects) that I'd experienced with finasteride years ago. He said he understood and that he respected my position, given that I'd tried it already in the past. I ultimately decided that I prefer to avoid finasteride (given what happened the first time I used it) and might come back to Turkey for a second round later, if necessary. I'll deal with the vertex when the time comes; this way, I'll have a chance to see how the results on the front part of my head turn out before I make any more decisions. At this point, the doctor took measurements of my hair and explained the calculation he uses to determine coverage. He then drew a hairline and asked for my thoughts. I was a bit picky with the hairline and requested several tweaks (including one small modification on the morning of the surgery) so that the line would match the natural one I used to have as closely as possible/reasonable. The doctor was patient with me and made the changes I asked for. After we were finished, and as I was getting up to leave his office, Dr. Koray turned to me and said something to the effect of "LordBaldwin, I can tell you care a lot about details, and so do I. I won't disappoint you." He went out of his way to reassure me; it seemed like he cares a great deal about making his patients happy. Surgery On surgery day, I was driven to the clinic early in the morning. I was taken to a small locker room to change into a surgical gown and was then led to the surgical room. The entire surgical area was very clean and organized (as an example, my coordinator had me change into a different set of shoes that they provided me as I entered into the "clean area"). In the surgical room, the team gave me a blanket and checked that I was comfortable. The anaesthesiologist asked me if I was nervous and I told him that my heart rate (which was showing on one of the monitors as around 90 bpm) is usually around 70 bpm. He nodded and injected me with a benzodiazepene and a sedative. I almost immediately relaxed. I sat upright with a head support wedged between my chin and my lap as the technicians injected my scalp with local anaesthetic and began the extraction phase. As they proceeded, they were very professional and repeatedly asked me if I felt any pain (if I did, they'd give me some more local anaesthetic). As grafts were removed from the donor area of my scalp, one of the technicians observed them under a microscope and counted, in real time, how many singles, doubles, triples, etc. had been extracted. These numbers were displayed on a screen in front of me. My coordinator handed me a tablet in case I wanted to surf the web or watch a movie. If I recall correctly, extractions took about 3 hours. We took a break for lunch, which the clinic provided. Upon returning to the operating room, I was told I could lie down for the remainder of the surgery. I was hooked back into the IV and Dr. Koray came in to do the incisions. I don't remember exactly how long the incision phase took since I was sedated and kept drifting in and out of sleep, but I do remember Dr. Koray working on me for some time, then shaking my hand at the end and mentioning that my circulation was very good and I'll be very happy with how things turn out. I slept through most of the implantation phase as well, up until the last hour or so. The technicians were methodical and quiet, and my coordinator, who sat across from me, assured me that everything was going well and repeatedly asked how I was doing. In total, the procedure took about 9 hours. After it was over, I was led back down to the photography room for post-operative photos to be taken. I was given instructions on how to do the post-op washes, sat under a laser/light follicular stimulation pod for a little while, and then was invited to dinner at the clinic (invitations for dinner at the clinic were extended to me every night I was in Istanbul, except for the weekend). Although I was only required to stay until the next day for the first wash, I opted to stay for an additional two days to recover a bit before I traveled back to the US. In the morning on each of the additional two days, I was driven back to the clinic for my morning wash (and some tea). Overall Impression Overall, I'm very happy with my experience at ASMED and would recommend it to other prospective patients (provided that they've done their due diligence and understand how surgeries are performed there). Since I had prepared extensively for my trip, I knew pretty much exactly what I was going to experience and there were no surprises. All of the employees were very accommodating, friendly, and attentive, and I felt well taken care of. The clinic itself was large, clean, and modern (ASMED had clearly spared no expense). A couple of other little pluses I noted: - On one occasion, I asked if the clinic had Turkish coffee (I wanted to try this since I didn't really get the chance to explore Istanbul while I was there). They didn't have it at that moment, but they actually went out and got it for me the following day! This was a relatively minor thing, but it impressed me. - On the last day I was there (when I came to the clinic for my third wash), Dr. Koray came into the room and asked me about my experience, making sure that it was positive. I told him I had enjoyed my time there, which he was happy to hear. The fact that he cared so much about my experience struck me very positively. Progress First, some hair characteristics... Hair thickness: 55 microns Hair per graft: ~2.44 Donor capacity prior to surgery: 8400 grafts Number of grafts transplanted: 3051 over 60 cm^2 Transplanted graft density: ~50 grafts/cm^2 And now, some pictures. Pre-Operative: Surgical Plan: Immediate Post-Operative (Day 0): Day 2 Post-Op: Day 3 (swelling is mostly gone): Day 5 (scabs and some minor cracking visible): Day 7 (vast majority of the scabs have come off): Day 10:
  2. Hello all i have just had 4500 grafts in Istanbul. happy with the results, and want to post my jounrney on here so that I perhaps have advice from fellow forum members here are some photos before surgery and after . I had such a good experience in the Asmed clinic, the professionalism of the team, the efficiency of all team members, friendliness and how they made me feel beats anything I’ve ever expedited in a hospital , dentist etc. It was like being on holiday! If you have any comments let me know. I am hoping that I will have a dense hairline and be able to spike hair up without it looking see through.
  3. Hello everyone, My name is Mohammad. I am 28 years old man and i have been loosing hair since early 20s . I had been thinking of getting hair transplant since ages, so recently i had an FUE procedure (3000 grafts) at ASMED in Turkey. I have been really impressed by the work of Dr. Koray Erdogan, as he has produced amazing results and has many satisfied patients. So i contacted ASMED and they got back to me in couple of days and we decided to carry out the procedure on 3rd of September 2018. Dr Erdogan initially suggested 2600-3200 grafts and also recommended me to start Propecia. I had taken finestride in past and had no issues so i willingly agreed to it. My patient coordinator Muge was continuously in contact with me and she explained each step thoroughly and was great help . She happily answered each and every question i had regarding the transplant. Must say she is very professional. So i booked my flight and after few weeks i traveled to Istanbul. As my procedure was planned on Monday and consultation was planned on Friday so i had to travel on Thursday. Before traveling my my patient coordinator contacted me asking if everything was ready. I reached the airport and one of the ASMEDs driver was there to pick me up. Its 35 minutes drive from airport to the hotel. The driver was nice and the vehicle was comfortable as well. My patient coordinator called me on my way to hotel and explained next steps . I checked in hotel and next day i had my consultation. Hotel was amazing and staff was very polite. Next day the driver came to pick me up from the Hotel and took me to the clinic. I was received by my patient coordinator and her colleagues. They were very nice people and were great hosts. My coordinator took me to have some blood tests and ecg. Afterwards she gave me some papers to read which gives details about the procedure and the complications which can occur and i had to sign it as well. Afterward i was taken for photos and then i had consultation with Dr Koray. He was very polite and he assessed my hair loss and asked me few questions. He drew my Hair line and decided to implant 3000 grafts. I agreed to it as he is one of the greats in Turkey and trusted his judgment. Only thing which i think was a downer that the consultation felt bit rushed as he had several other patients waiting. He only spent around 10 minutes with me. I went down after that and had my head shaved and then Dr. Erdogan came to draw the final hairline and made it more symmetrical. After that I had another photo shoot with shaved head. I also had chat with anesthesiologist who gave me antibiotics and benzodiazepine to have them on the day of surgery. As it was weekend after so I had 2 days to just chill and see the city. But one has to be careful as its warm in Istanbul and drawn hairline can get altered due to sweating. I managed remove bit of my hairline as it rubbed against my pillow and I traveled during the weekend so it was removed a little due to sweating. But 90% of it was still intact so it wasn’t a huge issue but was bit stressful. Nevertheless I enjoyed the next two days and was looking forward to the transplant. During all this time my coordinator was in contact with me and was guiding me through. So the day of “judgment” came and I and few other patients were picked up from the hotel early morning and taken to the clinic. There we were told to change and after that we were taken to our respective operating rooms. The technicians met me there and were very warm and nice to me. They made sure that I was completely comfortable. I was given Ipad to browse on while they went about their work on my head. I could also see the no. of grafts being extracted on a computer screen which they were updating regularly. The procedure itself was fine but the only issue I had was that my anesthesia kept wearing off and I felt bit of pain so they had to put local anesthesia again. Dr. Erdogan did come to do incisions. After extraction I was served some food and after that I went back to the room for implantation. I slept through almost the whole procedure so it didn’t feel so long to me but it did take more than 8 hours to do the whole thing. After that I was taken upstairs where they took some pictures again and I also met Dr Erdogan who inspected my head and gave thumbs up. There i also met other patients who seemed very happy about their procedures and the feeling was mutual on my side. Then we were given ice gel and atp spray to use. We were driven back to the hotel and I kept using the spray and ice as instructed. I fell asleep bit early that night. I was also given a neck pillow which was very uncomfortable to sleep with but I had to mange with it for next 10 days. Next day driver came to pick us up for the first wash. My 1st wash done at the clinic and they also explained me how to perform it myself at home. As I was staying few extra days in Istanbul after the transplant so they offered to do the washes for the rest of days as well, which I think was very nice of them. I was given the shampoo, antibiotic cream, a body lotion, paper towels and dermovat as after care pack. They also gifted us power bank charger and trimmer which they used to shave our heads :P. For next couple of days I kept coming to the clinic for the washes and they provided the transport . I did have a lot of swelling on the 3rd day. It started from my forehead and traveled down. At one point i had swell in my eyelid making me look like some sort of monster lol. I got several looks at the airport but its all part of the experience. Eventually the swelling resolved after 6 days . I had difficulty in sleeping due to itching and burning sensation in donor area. But this improved with the passage of time . I am very happy with my experience at ASMED . I must say it is a team of complete professionals and they are very helpful. I strongly suggest others to consider this clinic as well, you won`t be disappointed. Now the waiting game has started and I hope I get great results as many others did. Total no. of grafts: 3069 Single grafts: 801 Double grafts: 1596 Triple grafts: 634 Quardruple grafts : 1
  4. I would like to share my recent HT experience at Asmed as this forum played a deciding factor in helping me discover and choose Dr Erdogan, so believe it’s fair to try and give something back based on my own experiences. I’m 31 from the UK and have thought about getting a HT for around 6 years. My hairline started receding from my early 20’s and from around 28/29 I noticed my hair on top was very much starting to thin so knew the time to do something about it was approaching faster then I had anticipated. I actually had 3 consultations in the UK over the space of a couple of years in my late 20’s but when I turned 31 and realised my hair on top was deteriorating quiet rapidly, I realised it was time to do something about it and also be open to having surgery abroad. I contacted a few clinics in Turkey, Cyprus and Belgium and all gave me a very similar graft number quotation. I decided to go with Dr Erdogan at Asmed and though he was one of my most expensive options I just felt I had the best chance of achieving the best results at his clinic. So I booked up and arrived in Turkey the 27th of Feb, the day before my consultation. From the moment I arrived at Istanbul airport and was picked up by my driver the whole experience has been amazing and actually exceeded my expectations. I opted to stay at the clinic itself and it’s very modern, clean and you can tell no expense has been spared as it’s a fabulous building. I had my consultation with Dr Erdogan on the 28th of Feb and on closer inspection my hair needed a lot more work from what he had seen in the 12 photos I had sent. My original estimate of between 2,500-3,000 grafts (which all clinics quoted) turned into 4,000. To be fair once my hair was analysed I had a feeling my hair loss may appear worse then the actual 12 photos of it dry and wet. The Doctor drew a hairline for 4,000 grafts but actually said he would like to use 5,000 grafts to bring my hairline even lower and to add some side temples too. With both lines drawn on my head there was no comparison so I made a phone call back home and luckily arranged to have more money transferred as the cash I brought didn’t cover 5,000 grafts. It also meant having my original procedure start on Friday the 1st of March but I would need a second day on the Monday 4th to finish the procedure. They let met stay at the clinic for the extra days needed for free and my co-ordinator re-arranged my flight back home for me too. I have just arrived back from Turkey and I couldn’t be happier with how everything has worked out. Everyone who works at the clinic are amazing, caring and genuinely do care for your needs. The staff are so friendly and have made my experience much more enjoyable then what I thought it might be. I’m actually going to really miss all the staff, as I say they have all been incredible to me and my personal co-ordinator has been amazing and caring too. She is one of the nicest people I’ve ever met and always kept me updated and answered all questions I had even before I arrived in Turkey. I honestly don’t think I could have picked a better clinic to carry out my procedure and literally couldn’t pick a single fault in the 6 nights I ended up staying at Asmed. I will add some stats on my hair once I arrive home but my thickness is 55 microns and been taking Finasteride 1mg 5 weeks before procedure. Thanks for reading and I would be happy to answer any questions or give advice about choosing Asmed, but so far I’m so happy I decided to go with Asmed. The first 2 photos are straight after my first day of the procedure.
  5. Hi everyone - I've been silently reading this forum for the last few months and it was instrumental in my decision to take the plunge and get a hair transplant. Here's my experience and journey so far. Statistics: Age: 33 NW: High (IV/V, possibly emerging VI but that's my guess) Caliber: 60 microns Hair / Graft Ratio: 2.04 Total Grafts Transplanted: 5,621 Estimated Donor Capacity: 8,200 Background: Like many of you, I’ve suffered from hair loss for most of my adult life, have tried (and abandoned) various hair regrowth treatments and thought becoming bald was my inevitable fate. I only started thinking about hair transplant options over the past 6 months or so when I randomly came across some articles discussing the latest advancements (and horror stories) in the field and the relative inexpensiveness of operations in Turkey and elsewhere. I began researching the topic seriously and this website was instrumental in my decision to go with Dr. Koray Erdogan. In selecting Dr. Koray, I focused on three things - results, passion for the craft and price. Being a high Norwood with a family history afflicted with MPB, I needed someone who had expertise with large HT cases like my own. I cared about passion for the craft because, I believe, thought-leadership and innovation are indicators of success, and I wanted the best-of-class when it comes to a major cosmetic operation that could either be transformative or a major disappointment. Finally, it had to fit my budget... now; I wasn't interested in taking years to save up $30-$45,000 that some US doctors were quoting me. Before settling on Dr. Koray, I researched and consulted with other hair transplant surgeons. As a Southern California native, I looked into local doctors (Armani, Rassman, Bisanga and others), some of the other big names in hair transplant I was coming across (Couto, Frietas, H&W, etc.), as well as other Turkish doctors (Karadeniz, Civas, Doganjay and some of the low-cost options too, like Cinik and Maral). I had a few in person and online consultations with some of these doctors, which was helpful. Frankly, the North American / European doctors who had impressive results were out of my budget. Dr. Koray was comparably priced to some of the average doctors I was seeing in the United States but had a stellar track record over the years and lauded as one of the best in the world. I thought his results put him among the top FUE surgeons in the world. I also found Dr. Koray’s YouTube videos to be very informative (admittedly much of it was PR, but it worked on me), and I became convinced that manual punch FUE in a mega session with some sort of implanter tool (like the KEEP device that Dr. Koray uses) is what would be best for me. In fact, I feel I may have ended up with Dr. Koray regardless of price. Pre-Op Treatment: I reached out to Asmed in early December 2018 and booked for mid-February 2019. At that time I wasn’t under any sort of medication. After my initial discussions with Sema, I went on 1mg generic fin daily and achieved some actual hair growth in the crown and midline areas. Process / Surgery: Others on this forum have gone into specifics around the airport pick-up, hotel, and clinic procedures in considerable detail, so I won’t repeat that here. But what I will mention is this. The Asmed mothership on the Asian side of Istanbul probably represents the pinnacle of what a modern medical facility should be - impeccably clean, sleek and exceptionally designed to shuttle patients from a pristine operating room, to high-tech hair wash / cut and transplant design areas, to an inviting waiting area (where you are greeted with Turkish hospitality in the form of tea, coffee and pastries and live classical music by a violin-piano duo). Everything was thoughtfully planned and laid out, and the process struck a balance between being highly individualized (Sema being my dedicated coordinator and never leaving my side) but productive (which I welcomed - I wanted to be one of the many patients they have great results for). When other people on these forums talk about how Asmed is a world-class facility, it truly is. When you meet Dr. Koray in person, you soon realize that he is singularly focused on your hairline and achieving optimal results based on a plan that takes into account your donor capacity and anticipated future hair loss. My interaction with him was otherwise limited, as I had expected to be from reading the forums, but I didn’t mind that – hairlines (and mine in the moment) are his obsession, and Dr. Koray spent a good 20-30 minutes (and consulted 18 others – my wife counted them) to ensure that mine was the very best for my face. And in Dr. Koray's staff, I felt care, compassion and dedication to implement Dr. Koray’s vision for the optimal hair transplant for me. Sema, my patient coordinator, was knowledgeable, patient and attentive. Nabiyeh, the nurse who was assigned to me the entire time I was there, was compassionate and genuinely concerned about my wellbeing. The surgical assistants had unfailing endurance and nimble, precise hands – in another era, they may well have been expert craftswomen weaving a great Turkish rug but are instead making a masterpiece out of my head and hair follicles. (I would prefer their hands doing the harvesting and implantations over that of any 50-60 year old man, no matter his years of experiences or the number of degrees he holds). Results: I could go on here… but what will ultimately matter, more than anything else I've written here, are my results, so check this thread 12 months’ time and we can all be the judge.
  6. Hey guys I started losing some hair in my early twenties, not a lot, but some loss on my temples and on the sides. I'm not sure if it was M.P.B. or just a maturing hairline. However, airing on the side of caution I started with finasteride a year ago. The hair loss has since subsided, which I'm happy about, but I would like to have the hair I lost restored. Furthermore, I would like to lower my hairline a bit, because I have always had a naturally high hairline(5HEAD). I researched hair transplant surgoens a few years ago. At that time it seemd like there was an unanimous consensus everywhere that Dr. Koray Erdogan is a quality HT surgeon. So chosing Erdogan was an easy decision. However, after I made the booking and paid the deposit, I have seen a few concerning results from ASMED on this forum. I have also seen good results this past year, so it's not like it has been all bad. However for the price I pay, I don't want it to be a coin flip. In spite of this, the thing that makes me confident to go trough with the surgery is the ASMED warranty, , which I assume guarantees a free touchup if you don't experience 90% regrowth(please correct me if I'm wrong). Hopefully ASMED has taken steps to fix their issues, so a touchup will not be nececarry. We will see. The surgery is in 5 days. I Will update this post with pictures and information once i get to Turkey. For those wondering, my ethnicity is 50/50 black white.
  7. Hey guys I am a 35 yo male from London and arrived home last night from Istanbul so I will talk about my experience at Asmed. I wanted to keep this brief but to hell with it I couldn’t help it. Firstly a big thank you to both Sema and Suzana who were my coordinators. Sema - who helped me over the past year since I contacted Asmed and Suzana who was with me throughout the experience and never left my side. She is very fluent in English and communication and organisation was excellent. In fact everyone at Asmed looked after me very well and never made me feel awkward. Not to forget the anesthetist Dr Umat who is a very interesting individual :). Initially I sent Asmed (Sema - my initial coordinator) my photos 12 months ago and Dr Erdogan recommended 5000 grafts and for me to start finesteride before surgery as without it I may not be happy with the end result because of my type of hairloss. I was a bit weary of finesteride side effects so it took a month for me to decide what to do because for me hair transplants and finesteride go hand in hand. So a couple of months went by (sept - dec 2017) eventually I got on brand name Propecia 1mg by Merck. I started slowly as advised by a hair loss expert we all know - it took me till January until I was using it more or less every day. In this time I was in constant communication with Sema discussing dates etc. And getting my finances sorted. So in January I asked to book the surgery in May however they had very few dates and I could not get the amount of time I wanted from work. I use Toppik hair fibres and Asmed advise patients not to use it for 6 months so I wanted as much time not using it as possible after surgery. So my work allowed me to take 3 months leave (mix of unpaid and paid) - yes a lot of time but only 6 weeks was unpaid. So in February we decided on 3rd and 4th Oct. 2018 (2500 grafts per day) this was actually good because I would have been on Propecia 10 months. You can send from 1000 to 3000 euros - I sent 1000 initially and just before I went I sent another 2000 just after Dr Erdogan looked again at my updated photos (as it was nearly a year since the initial ones)to confirm. I used TransferWise as they take the actual exchange rate on Google and not lower rates like banks provide. I would need to arrive before 14:00 on 2nd Oct for the consultation however there were no flights that arrive before that time on BA from Heathrow Airport. There were other flights from different airlines but I wanted BA as I could get the flight for £75 return and free long stay parking (as I know someone who works there), I was already spending so much on the surgery so I wanted to keep costs down. Sema very kindly allowed me to arrive in the evening of 1st Oct, 2nd Oct - consultation, 3/4 Oct surgery 5th Oct shampoo/clean and departure for home at 1625. This extra night came at no extra cost. Initially I booked the clinic’s own suite but there was a problem with the room so they booked me into the Raddison blue hotel (5 mins from clinic) all days free and breakfast included. This turned out much better because although Asmed can make you breakfast, they close in the evening and the only people there are security and local restaurants are not very close. Just take a yellow taxi (with meter) from the hotel for 10 liras (just over a pound) and ask to go to the Palladium shopping and restaurant complex 5 mins away. If you need to change money into Turkish Lira change it at this complex just ask anyone for "change office" which is in the shopping center. I wanted to see the famous blue mosque and grand bazaar but it is an hour away. Day of Arrival (Mon 1st Oct) Flight arrived at 1630 just a 4 hour flight from London Heathrow Airport. The Asmed driver was there with my name written on an iPad (transfer from airport to hotel and all journeys between hotel and Asmed are free). He gave me his phone as Suzana (my day to day coordinator) spoke on the phone me and welcomed me to Istanbul and said she will be in constant touch with me on whatsapp and in the clinic she will be taking care of me the entire time. The car was a large Mercedes people carrier with beautiful red leather seats and plenty of snacks to enjoy. Because of the time of day it took close to an hour to get to the hotel because of rush hour. The Hotel room was very good and I took a taxi to the Palladium center. You just need to tell the hotel reception to get you a taxi and it comes right away, they have a meter on so you won't be ripped off. Took 5 mins cost me a pound and walked around the shopping center, ate some delicious kebabs and got a taxi which are always there and got back to my room to get some sleep. Day 2 (Consultation) Suzana sent me a whatsapp message saying that the driver will pick me up at 12:45. I got into the car with 2 other people who also were having their consultations. You should know that you won't be the only patient in the day as I will come to later. We were greeted at reception by our respective coordinators and reception staff. The clinic is amazing, clean, modern and very classy at the same time. There a couple of women who are playing the piano and violin in the reception area. So Suzana sat me down and said that she will wait here with me until we are called for the consultation. Dr Erdogan and his team were very busy during this time and surgeries were still going on so we needed to wait an hour before they could see us. However, in this time I was offered some snacks and asked to read through some paper work and sign that I understood all the terms. All of this would have been sent to you when you booked so it is just the same. After that I was taken downstairs for blood tests to test for HIV etc.. All clear. I then went into the photography room and had my photos taken both dry and wet hair shots from all angles. A while later I and my coordinator were called into Dr Erdogan's office. It was like meeting a king and I told him so - I have very been following him for few years and on social media so it was quite a hair raising moment for me. So in the consultation it was Dr Erdogan, another doctor, one of his senior surgical assistants and my coordinator. Dr Erdogan very quickly broke the ice with me and told me how happy he was to see me as when he saw my name he realized I am of Pakistani descent (born UK) and how happy he was about that because he has always liked people from there so that was a nice start. He went over some basic things with me and said that I am a candidate for hair transplantation after looking at the blood tests. He had a screen in front of him with my photos from just earlier and discussed what he can do. He said that my hair loss pattern was more Ludwig patterned rather than the usual norwood cases. He analysed my hair in detail with his apparatus and said that my hair is of very good quality with a total donor of 8500. In general he said that safe zone hair can be effected by DHT as seen by very old people and looking at my age (35) it is possible to lose 10% of safe zone hair in my lifetime and that if I came off finesteride later in life it is possible that my total donor capacity is at 7500 so even though my real donor is 8500 he sees it as 7500. He drew a hairline and asked what I thought. It was probably a tiny bit higher than I would have liked but he said that once transplanted it will look lower but my main concern were no temples drawn because mine are quite faint. He said in a funny way that he really does not like my crown. I have not got a massively receding hairline and that patch on the top really does stick out like a sore thumb. So he drew my temples and it looked great but he said he would need 700 grafts just for that and he can't cover the top properly as well in 1 operation so if want that it would be 700 less grafts in my crown and it still won’t look that good on top. He wanted 2000 grafts just for the crown 2500 for the hairline and just above and the remainder 500 in the mid-scalp as he said it has a lot of and hairs. He said it was up to me but if I leave it to him that is the way he would do it and I can always come back and do the temples after a year or so. I thought about it and knew already that the crown was my priority - it is a different type of hair loss pattern. So I said to him I will go with his instinct and he said I will be very happy with my result. He actually told me later on that he would in fact put 2100 in the crown and 400 just below that instead of the 500 so my crown should have a big difference he said. This was not the final hairline and he would refine it after hair shaving. Consultation lasted about 20 minutes I had a bunch of questions for him but he really is to the point and just gets on with his analysis and what he can do for you. After that Suzana took me to the finance department where I paid the outstanding amount in Pounds Sterling cash. If your home currency is pounds or USD I advise you to pay in that currency to them. It saves you changing into euro where you won’t get a good rate and will have to pay some fees. The rate the clinic gave me was much better than at home and they don’t charge you for them to change it into euros. After this I got my hair shaved off! It actually looked alright! I waited for Dr Erdogan to make his final refined hairline plans. He told me that he will go into the temples a bit so that was good news. Whilst this was going on he has a big team of people watching. These are the techs or surgical assistants (as he calls it) who will work with you for the entire surgery. If you have 2 days surgery like me they don’t have different teams, it’s the same people working on you. I was then taken to the room where they have their latest robot – the K-bot. You sit with your head against a support pad and the camera takes 3d images of your entire head and you can see on the screen your grafts in detail. This helps the doctor further in his analysis. This lasts for 15 minutes but you can be on your phone – I actually took a video of what the K-bot was doing but I don’t think you can post videos here. This all took best part of 4 hours from waiting at the start to the end. Dropped back to the hotel went into town again for a nice kebab (with lines in my head). Yes you have to keep the lines on and not rubbed off because they then have to go through the whole process again. And no wearing hats so I was laughed and smiled at a lot whilst walking through town it was surreal. Day 3 (Surgery 2515 grafts) Asmed advise you to where a buttoned shirt before and after surgery. I woke up at 6 am, 6:30 breakfast buffet – plenty of variety. For 3 days including this day I had to take an antibiotic tablet with breakfast and Xanax to calm me although I only needed that for the first day. It wasn’t till I got down there that I realised how many of us were being operated on. Including me it was 6 guys at breakfast ready to be taken to Asmed. Three of them already had their first day hairline surgery and the rest of us were on our first day. I was slightly taken back by this because I was sure they only did 4 surgeries a day but I guess it can depend on the cases. One guy was just having his hairline refined. All 6 of got into the people carrier and went to Asmed. We were given Asmed buttons shirts and bottoms to wear for surgery and it really is straight into it from that point. My coordinator took me to the surgery room and I met all the people involved with my surgery. I asked who will be doing the extractions and how long they had been working there. One person would be doing the extractions and she has been doing ONLY extractions for 7 years so I felt assured. Suzana showed me the microscope where they dissect single hair grafts as I was querying this lot. So onto the anaesthetics – Dr Umat organises this. He is a very interesting person he looks serious but he is a really cool person and fun to talk to, if he ever reads this I hope you are well and very active! This is the most painful part of the surgery, they have something that vibrates as they inject many times into your scalp which makes it a bit easier. If it is too much, they can give you something through the I.V your arm help ease you. It acts really quick and she starts extracting and you cannot feel a thing. You have a screen in front which tells you how many grafts have been extracted and if they’re singles, twos etc…I actually had a fair amount of 4s 5s 6s. Suzana was in the room with me the whole time she was a great help. She gave me a face rest support where I could also stick my I pad on it to watch stuff on. Sema came in now and I watched a popular bald show (we all know) re run from the previous night just to keep them on their toes and they knew what it was. This whole process takes more than 3 hours (I think) as I just lost track of time I didn’t sleep at all. They extracted 2515 grafts in total. Dr Erdogan did not come in during this time but his most experienced surgical assistant – Dilek came in at certain points. Dr Erdogan watches all the surgeries on monitor in his office and directs if need be from there which I am not completely happy about but the results are good. Next was 30 minute lunch maybe less and back to the operating room where I’m prepped and given anaesthetics for the recipient area before the main man Dr Erdogan comes in and shakes my hand and begins the incisions. The techs cover my eyes and hold my face in certain positions as the doctor instructs them whilst he pokes away. This takes him 30 – 40 mins and he shakes your hand and moves to the next patient. The same person that did the extractions is now joined by Dilek who both start the implanting stage. This can be prickly and pain a bit so they test certain areas and ask you is it painful or not. If it is they put some liquid type anesthetic so you don’t feel it. In fact at any time you feel pain you must tell them and they will ease it. They put a special blue solution over the recipient area which highlights all the incisions Dr Erdogan made. At some point they realised they covered the required area and had a few more grafts so Dilek made a few extra incisions which is fine as she is possibly the best tech going. Implants can take quite a while I cannot remember exactly but it was just a bit less than the extractions so maybe 2 hours. Once it is done I felt very tired walked very slowly as I was trying to get my bearings right. The trauma and anesthetics can make you very tired. So Suzana came with me to another room where they sat me down under a low level red laser for 10 mins to help with healing. After that she gave me ATP spray and said I must put spray my recipient area a few times every 2 hours with it. She also gave me ice cooling gel to help with swelling. Its only till a few days later I realise how big my face got! I went back to the hotel, my forehead looked bigger because of the swelling had something to eat in the hotel restaurant – felt like crap but hotel staff are used to Asmed patients so I mixed in well. I went back upstairs for a very awkward night. Didn’t sleep much, Suzana gave me neck pillow and for the first 10 days you need to sleep with this on your back facing up (no rolling about) do not let your recipient area rub anything as this is a very sensitive time for your scalp. I wasn’t in much pain but I just felt completely shattered and sleepy but I kept waking up in the night but I got through it somehow. Day 4 – (Surgery 2505 grafts) Exactly the same as day 3. Note that grafts it is not exactly 5000 grafts (5020) they do not tell you to pay for these extra few. So that is it, surgery complete and Dr Erdogan came and said he is happy with the way it looks and is just the way he wanted it and said he will see me tomorrow. In terms of reactions to the surgery at the time I had swelling but by the time I wrote this my face was huge I look like sloth from the goonies – google it if you don’t know. But this is all part of it. Some people have more sensitive bodies than others. Just have to keep applying ice packs. Day 5 – (Wash and go) Another awkward night but managed to have breakfast and be picked up at 9:50 am. Suzana was at reception and took me down for the shampoo and washing. This is what you have to do on your own for 10 days post op so pay attention when they tell you. They took the bandages off washed me and I felt fresh again and went in for the final post op photos. They gave me some Turkish delight sweets as a gift and a power pack. As well as this as they knew I was on Proscar (I changed to proscar a month earlier – cost effective and same brand Merck) they gave me 1 year supply of Proscar (£200 worth) for free and a pill cuter! They gave me a USB stick with all my surgical details and photos as well as various papers of post op instructions. All the post op shampoos and creams are free. Suzana bid me farewell she was really good to me the entire time and I told her I’ll be back in a year for results photographs only downside Dr Erdogan didn’t meet me I left but I guess he is busy with all the other patients. Dropped to the hotel at 12 and was told the driver will be back at 14:00 for airport drop of. So that’s it I hope I didn’t bore you with the details there is more I could write but those details may come up in the future in the meantime I have posted photographs taken at Asmed below. Surgery Details : 1148 Single 2589 Double 1158 Triple 119 Quadruple 6 Quintuple Total Grafts: 5020 Avg hair: 2.05 per graft Hair thickness: 61 microns Medication: Proscar 1.25 per day since January 2018 Pre-Op Plans: Post OP
  8. Hi Forum Visitors and Members, Today, I received a telephone call from Dr. Erdogan, and we had a lengthy conversation about certain things that have transpired within the last year or so. First and foremost, I want to thank all of those who participate on this forum and have the courage to share their genuine results and reviews. You guys are the backbone of this community and the reason why we started this community. What's changed? We flat-out asked Dr. Erdogan, what has changed in his clinic, that so many patients are reporting sub-par growth or are unhappy with their results. According to Dr. Erdogan, and we believe him nothing has really changed at his practice in terms of results. He has always had a few patients that are unhappy with their results. Naturally, every surgeon on the planet has patients with poor growth or are unhappy, but this past year we have seen a virtual campaign against this surgeon. Now, we have recognized that there are in fact some patients who are unhappy and rightfully so, but we've been assured by Dr. Erdogan, that every single one of these patients have been contacted by their clinic, and have even been offered flight tickets to Istanbul. In my opinion, I do feel that this is standing by their work and the patient. Our Recommendations Matter The reason why we had this discussion with Dr. Erdogan, is because our recommendations matter. We truly want to recommend only the very best surgeons on the planet. At this point, @LordBaldwin made a very valid point with statistical data, that statistically ASMED is still producing great results. Although, this does not change how some may feel about their own personal results. It does show that the clinic still consistently producing good results and changing lives. We Will Not Tolerate ANY FORM OF EXTORTION! Now I'm not going to name any names, but we have been alerted by Dr. Erdogan, that some other physician which cannot be named anyways per our legal representation has been trying to undermine his work. There have also been some patients who have demanded refunds and have even threatened Dr. Erdogan, to continue to smear his reputation until they are paid. I have been provided with proof and I have personally seen at least one patient create at least 5 different accounts and aliases to smear Dr. Erdogan's reputation. This type of behavior is unacceptable and is not tolerated by the Hair Transplant Network. I want to make it crystal clear to the community and to any visitor, NO SURGERY IS GUARANTEED! I repeat NO SURGERY IS GUARANTEED! Therefore, if the results do not turnout as expected, you cannot demand a refund. Simply does not work that way. This forum is not anyone's personal tool for extortion. We do not tolerate duplicate accounts or vociferous calls for attention simply because you want to be compensated. Everyone is free to share their genuine results and reviews, but if we see that there are ulterior motives we will have to deal with those users appropriately. Moving Forward There have been some changes to the Hair Transplant Network recently. We're in a transitional period, and we will divulge more information when we can, but rest assure that we are doing our due diligence of ensuring our recommendations stand for something. We will formally announce the changes at a later time. Best wishes, Melvin and Patrick Hennessey Onwards and Upwards
  9. Hey Guys, in few days I will pass the 7. month mark and I would like to show you my progress. Actual I'm very disappointed and I hoped that my 7 month status would look much better. I notice a very low density in both temple areas. It could be lower than 15-20 grafts per square centimeter (Implanted density was ca. 50 grafts per sqcm). Another thing which disturb me are that there are many multiple grafts in the hairline. I think it tends to be a failure, but I would like to hear your opinion to my case. PS: Sorry for my english 😀
  10. G'day lads, thought i would give back to the community that taught me a lot and pushed me to a final decision to go ahead and get a hair transplant. I have loosely wrote up something, it is pretty long but should be a good read for you. I am going to share what i have learnt and my thoughts towards hairloss and of course a review of my experience at ASMED and in doing that hopefully help you guys as there is so so much information out there regarding hair transplants and it can become bit overwhelming who to believe because at the end of the day you are going to base your decision on people you have never met's advice and opinions on certain doctors and clinics and you have to decide who is being real and who is not and lucky for you this forum is as real as it gets as you can't be trusting clinics that have 1000s of 5 star 1 comment reviews when they are not all real reviews unlike what is being posted on here. So a little backstory to me, i am only 21 so i may be one of the youngest people i have seen on these forums who has gone and got this procedure done and for the record i do not want any negativity from people telling me i am was wrong getting it done so early. The bare truth is i either lived the next few years of my life creeping to a worse and worse state of mind and forever looking forward to a day where i can forget about my hairloss or as i did simply act on it in its early stages and beat the wrath of emotions and insecurities that came with losing my hair even more than what i had. So, i think i started losing my hair around 18 and it wasn't until i was about 19 i had accepted i was losing my hair as the whole year prior i was in complete denial as 50-100 hairs were coming out of my head everyday in the shower and i simply could not accept i was going bald at such a young age. As you do you start researching and you come across the big 3 (minoxidil, finasteride, nizoral) and i began with minoxidil and had some pretty darn good results from it going from very thin recided hair to 5 months later thickening up my hair quite significantly. Next, i implemented fin and noticed a hault to my hairloss at about the 3 month mark of using it and this lasted me about a year until it seems my hair loss got even more aggressive and my crown has begun to thin which i am now working on a solution for. One might be i was using generic propecia and now using the real stuff (prosper) which was given to me in a years supply free of charge by ASMED which will hopefully be the trick in halting my hairloss again. And for nizoral or any shampoo similar to it i was not using until a month or two ago as i had long hair tied up so it was hard to keep it clean and i later found out once i got my head shaved for the transplant i had some pretty bad dermatitis so that may also of been contributing to the hairloss but i am now taking good care of my scalp and keeping it healthy. With all the positives from using minox and fin i unfortunately started using them to late into my hairloss journey and my hairline had recided to a point where i was not at all happy with. I spent every living day outside my house with a hat on since i finnished school and being an outgoing active person it was seriously restricting myself from being myself. Luckily in doing this (always wearing a hat) no-one knew about my reciding hairline though they had their suspicions but never saw it so getting this procedure done before that day came was essential and i managed to pull it off. After 2 years of hat wearing and feeling insecure i started looking into hair transplants and was originally skeptical going to turkey to get it done and instead wanted to find somewhere here in Australia but as many countries like the UK and USA htp's are over priced but here in aus the quality is also not as good as the rest of the world so over time i slowly started getting more comfortable with the idea of going to istanbul to get it done. That was when i came across this forum and saw many good reviews of people going to istanbul and getting it done and the service provided by these clinics with airport pickup and drop off aswell as accommodation all included in the final price which i liked the idea of. Next was to find a clinic / dr i felt comfortable going with as being the kind of person i am and being friends with the kind of people i am friends with, there was no room for error in getting a below par transplant so i after lots of research i went with ASMED. Why ASMED? Dr Erodgen has many many years of experience and up until a year or two ago had a impeccable successful record with not a single bad review in site until about a year ago where some people have been talking down the clinics new move into a bigger and better facility and there thoughts that now he focuses on quantity over quality and they feel there results are a response of this and don't worry i will come back to this. Anyway, after compiling my list of ;clinics to pick asmed came out on top. I thought that the doctor, staff and website were all very professional looking and that with an array of good reviews (minus a few poor ones) made me feel safe going with this clinic. NOTE: for the record i personally believe hair transplants at the end of the day are the flip of a coin. not in the sense its a 50/50 chance you with get a good result but rather even if both the clinic and patient do everything right even then there are still things that can go wrong it seems so you never have a 100% chance at success with this procedure so always keep that in mind. I will run you through the process at ASMED and my experiences with the process. The Before: You apply online with photos and you will be assigned a co ordinator who speaks your language and is someone who you can ask questions and they will do the initial analysis of you getting basic information from you such as age, amount of hairloss, are you using fin? etc etc. If you tick the right box's she will then pass your photos and conversation onto Dr Erodgen himself who will review your situation and let you know whether you are suitable or not. For me this is a big tick as it shows he does not need the business and would rather instead make sure he can make a real difference in doing what he does best and give you the hair transplant that will accommodate for you now and also consider your future hairloss and what comes with that instead of what happened to me in 5ish consolations beforehand where i felt like they were selling me a product trying to rush me into a htp and trying to give me the cheapest price. Pricing is also something worth noting at ASMED as he is not cheap like the rest of Istanbul infact he is one of the most expensive dr's in all of Turkey but in comparison still cheap charging 2.5 euro per graft opposed to USA where the average is around 5 Euro per graft. And also for me my co ordinator was Suzana big shout out to her as she was wonderful always letting me know what the next step was and always comforting me and even though i knew this was her job i quickly forgot that once i got to the clinic and we started to just get along well and it really does make you feel a lot more relaxed knowing you have someone you can speak to through every step of pre, during & post the procedure. The During: So once a date is conformed and your funds are sorted you are next to make a 1000 euro deposit and to begin booking your flights, i originally didn't think much of flying to Istanbul but living in Australia flying to Istanbul is the other side of the world where including the 5 hour stopover in Bangkok it took me 24 hours to get to Istanbul and i will be honest i was very doubtful of myself the entire trip there as here i am at 21 year old not travelling alone before flying all the way to Istanbul to get this procedure done. However, once arriving at ASMED my doubts quickly disappeared. once arriving at the airport with a total of 1.5 hours sleep i was picked up by the ASMED driver and taken to the facility which was very modern and nice and is just under a year old and is apparently same design just an upgrade from there old facility. Also I'm not sure if it is a turkish thing and women are just good looking there but the staff at ASMED were all damn fine and always had a smile on there face. When you arrive you are taken to your room (thats if you are staying in the ASMED rooms) which was nice, no complaints there. Next your coordinator will come up and meet you in the eating area where patients who were being operated on that day were sitting in their ASMED uniforms all with shaved heads and drawn on hairlines which was bit strange when i first saw it but got use to it pretty quickly. Next, your coordinator will run you through the day and ask some more questions and get you to fill out some medical forms. Next, bloodwork is checked along with some other things. Next, you are sent to a waiting room where all patients that are being operated on the next day with you wait to see the dr himself for a final consultation before the money is handed over. It began with 3 patients but ended up with a total of 6 people waiting to see the dr which was abit alarming as 3 i was happy with and i believed they could manage 3 patients being operated on at once but 6 seemed like to much and i was bit worried. However, i am going to say now the team is very professional and they would not operate on 6 if they could not handle it and for those that don't understand how it is possible Dr Erodgen has employed surgeon who do the the taking out of the grafts and organising them aswell as the placement of grafts the DR himself simply does the most important part where the most error's occur this being the slits and incisions for where the grafts will be placed so if you view it like this he does only 1 step (the main one) of 3 steps so he truely can operate on 6 patients on 1 day so don't let that alarm you. Initial consultation: After waiting for what was quite awhile for the dr to Finnish surgery patients for today i was called upto his room where we shook hands had a small talk about where i was from and if i plan to taken fin long term etc etc then he stared assessing my donor area and grafts in general. I am going to just quickly say i was sure i was going to have a weak donor area. my hair doesn't go far down my neck nor does it go close to my ears and overall my head is small so that all adds up to a very limited amount of sq cm's for potential safe zone donor area to be used and i was almost certain he was going to asses it and tell me i have very limited options and i could barely accommodate for 1 single procedure and i had almost accepted this only to be told i had a donor area of around 8000 grafts which blew me away, by no means is this a crazy amount but it is average amount which i was very happy with meaning i have 5000ish grafts for future hairloss which is such a comforting feeling. So, for blokes who are worried about their donor zone not being suitable rest easy because you will be fine as the hair compacted in that area is just very dense. For how the dr. can just look at my donor and estimate its capacity without equipment was bit confusing but he is an expert so i trusted him and so have 1000s of patients before me. He next told me my hair density and hair thickness saying that my hair is quite thin so we would need about 48(i think) hairs per square cm and couple other things also telling me i had a pretty bad case of dermatitis (dandruff) which would need to be treated before tomorrow. He next asked what i wanted and i said my hairline lowered so he got a marker and started drawing a rough hairline and there were i think 2 other dr.s / surgeons that i think gave second opinions on his work and helped with the drawing of the hairline. I sat in a chair and he would draw some, step back look at my face, draw some more until he asked me to look in the mirror and ask what i thought. He said we can do it more aggressive if you would like and i said yes so he drew it again and i was happy with it. It then seemed like my consultation was over and i understand they are on a tight schedule but it all moved pretty fast and i almost forgot to tell him i wanted my temple points done so he drew those up aswell and told me it will be 300 grafts for each temple point and 3000 for the hairline coming to a total of 3600 grafts. I then shook his hand again and we then went to the finance room to pay. I'm going to be straight up and mine costed 3600 x 2.5euro (per graft) came to a total of 9000euro - 500ish euro for flight reimbursement cost so about 8500 euro total which was paid in full cash and they have a CASH only payment, quick note on that it is not as scary as it seems just have all the cash on you in a pouch around your waist for the flight there and you will be fine and also you can bring 10, 000euro into the country without question so it is not a problem. After payment you are taken to the barber place where you head is shaved by the nice turkish women as suspected my dermatitis was pretty bad and treated there with some stuff which got rid of it over night. Next you are taken to the photo room where your photos are taken of all angles and then taken to a high tech machine that slowly asses each square cm of hair on your head and measures its density and all of the single, double, multi grafts and it is here you can't truely see how dense your donor area is as it is all conveyed on a screen infront of you. Next you are taken to the next room where your rough drawn on hairline is finalised and this was interesting. You are sat in a chair with no joke about 10 ASMED staff in the room also being surgeon dr.s etc and also dr Erodgen and he begins drawing and the other dr.s are giving their opinions on what he is doing and it is like watching a master painter in his element. dr Erodgen is in the zone and draws and edits and asses some things and is all done with free hand no machines to draw a symmetrical hairline that everyone in the room agrees on for you to then view it in the mirror while they all look at you and await your response. I was happy with mine but if i wasn't i would of been bit nervous to go in there and tell them to do it again hahaha i don't know this part was abit strange but done very professionally. Again another hand shake with the Dr and all his staff gave me a smile as i left the room and the next patient went in there after me. I believe that was all for the first initial day and the rest of the day consisted of going up to the food area eat some dinner while talking to the patients that got operated on the day with their bandaged heads and catching up on some much needed sleep. For the other patients at the clinic its a strange thing having people from all over the world in my case people from Switzerland, Norway, New Zealand, Spain and me from Australia but its strange because you all have something in common and this is a common insecurity one this is big enough to make you come to this clinic from all over the world and get it done so that gives you all something to talk about and makes the experience a lot more comfortable as i ended up speaking with a lot of the boys there those 2 days about all my personal stuff on hairloss that i honestly haven't told anyone before so that was actually a good part just speaking with the other blokes during my stay. Surgery Day: early start with breakfast at 6am and surgery at 7;00 sharp, i was told to take antibiotics and a zanex that was given to me when i woke up. I was surprisingly not that nervous as after the first day i knew i was in good hands and i didn't let any nerves get the better of me and i walked into the surgery room with a smile and met all my surgeos that would be doing the procedure on me aswell as your coordinator right by your side running everything by you before it happens. I was given an iPad and told to sit in a chair with my chin sitting in the holder thing to sit my head in a fixed position so they could extract the grafts from the back of my head. First the local anestheisa injections which are very over rated, the pain was certainly bearable about a 6 or 7 out of 10 as far as pain goes and they did a total of like 10-15 injections all over the back of my head. After this is done they then get what felt like a pin and started poking the back off my head asking if i felt it and simply if i did they would inject more until i didn't, so it began... i put on a Joe rogan podcast and tried to forget there are sharp objects being pushed through the back of my head and i tried to not look into the reflection of the iPad as a couple times i saw a little to much blood that began making me feel uncomfortable but all in all this first step of 3 was fine and my only concern was the position you are put in with your neck down is extremely uncomfortable and i remember after about 20 minutes i was like sheit i don't know how much longer i can do this so i started counting down minute by minute in some pretty unbearable pain to only find out i wasn't even halfway through the extraction procedure, But as you do you man up and push through it and eventually it is done. Next you are bandaged up at the back of your head and given a 5minute lunch break were me and the other patient both talked about how much our necks hurt after that first part haha but so far so good for me atleast. Next you are taken back to your operating room for the long session where dr Erdogen himself does the incisions and slits for the rest of the surgeon to place the grafts into.This is obviously important as this is where the hairline is designed it shape, desity etc. Now for this part, man i got knocked the fuck out and i don't remember a single thing only faintly remembering seeing Dr Erodgens face for a brief second before i closed my eyes. it begins and they sedate you with something (morphine maybe, i might be wrong on that and they do tell you before they do it) and very quickly you feel like your having abit to much fun and then as i said i got sent straight through space and woke up who knows how many hours later to a real painful rubbing sensation on the front of my head. I was super startled as i forgot where i was and what was happening and i was in some pretty serious pain as the front area that was operated on was being washed and the surges were rubbing it was pretty unbearable. In my head for some reason i thought something had gone wrong and i woke up from a coma or something and i was pretty stressed. But quickly i calmed down and started grasping was was going on and relaxed again and took my headphones out and asked my corridnator what was going on and she said they are almost finished they have 100 grafts left and then its over and i was like holy shit i slept through the entire procedure, epic. The last 15 mins was yeah pretty painful and i asked for more injections to numb the pain but they said its not recommended as they would be finished soon so i just pushed through the pain and dealt with it until it was done. And that was that, all over. A serious blur but i would of way prefered that over being awake the entire procedure as i later found out other patients were. i then slowly got up and was taken to a sitting room of some sort. It was at this time i started feeling really cold and started shivering so i was given a blanket and after about 10 minutes i was back to normal-ish and actually felt pretty good considering what i just went through, later other patients came into the room some looking bit worse off than me as one was sweating pretty bad and looking pretty light headed. Next Dr. Erodgen came in and assessed the final work off all the implanted grafts by the surgeons and gave the thumbs up and this was the last time we saw him. Now we were put under a laser machine to help with the recover process and taken back to the photo room for a photo of all angles of our now pretty disgusting head. And i think that was it, we were told the rules of sleep with a neck pillow and some other stuff on medication we will need to take for the next few days and all went up had dinner and i went to bed and actually had a good night sleep before my first wash tomorrow morning and flight home tomorrow arvo. After: i think it was a 7:30am post op wash back in the barber room. Here you are shown how you are going to wash your hair for the next 10ish days and they do it for you here and you are given all the products needed with labels on them aswel as a usb stick with all photos of before and after aswell as other details from your stay. A barber actually came in and cut some of the boys hairs who did a partial shave and fixed it up to hide the transplanted area. And that was it i said goodbye to the ASMED staff and thanked them and also hugged my co ordinator and said goodbye and i went to my room to wait a couple hours for my pickup to the airport. Can honestly say i was kinda sad to leave which makes no sense as this procedure should be somewhat a traumatic experience and something you just want to get it over and done with but i don't know i didn't feel that way at all, rather i couldn't believe it was over and how smooth sailing the entire thing was. I next started looking in the mirror and tried to figure out how the fek i was going to cover this up on my way home and we were given a bucket hat to wear which i put on. I then went to the airport bit stressed about having to take the hat off even though i don't know anyone and would never see them again. Also it was pretty funny how many people at the airport had just undergone a hair transplant and were on their way home. Unfortaunly for them they were not wearing hats and i counted a total of 13 people from entering to leaving the airport who had undergone a FUE procedure. Now for my little hiccup that almost everyone seems to get atleast once, mine was when i was wearing this hat. I placed it loosely on my head and throughout the day it got tighter and tighter and since i just had surgery the day before the grafts were leaking and causing the hat to stick to my recipient area and i had this hat on for about 5 hours until i sat down on the plane (note ASMED advised me to take the hate off every 45 mins i believe to allow my head to breathe, but i couldn't pull myself to do it) and couldn't put my headphones in so i tried to lift the hat and i felt all the grafts sticking to it and holding it down. My face instantly went red and i started stressing and i was like what the fuck is wrong with me i have just blown a 9000euro procedure cause i was to scared for random people i have never met to see my head. I was sure when i was to take the hat off i would see hundreds of grafts attached to the hat and this was at the start of my 10 hour flight... i then sat in my chair over thinking this and stressing out until i finally got the balls to go to the aeroplane bathroom and slowly shift the hat from side to side to take it off. annnnndd, thank the lord no damage was done with all grafts intact and everything still looking the same. From here on out i wore it so so loosely on my head sitting on on my back of my head and barly on the front and made sure to take it off every 45 mins for a breather as this would further not give grafts the chance to stick to that hat even if that was possible which i later thought it probably was not... why? well these hairs are planted pretty deeply and firmly into your head and loose hat shouldn't be able to pull them out. However, keep this in mind that you will need to take it off from time to time and how i did this was if it was dark on the plane or at the airport i would go to a gate where no-one was and take it off for bit. Now, my ride home was a very eventful 26 hours, my swelling started once i got to the airport initially just in my forehead, and by the time i got to the stopover i had gone down my face into my eyebrows and unevenly spread across my lower forehead and i remember when i looked in the mirror for the first time on the plane i literally started laughing at my own face as i couldn't believe how fucked i looked. I was one of the unlucky few who got bad swelling and i can't stress enough how ugly it can make you look. I remember saying i should take a photo so people can know what your talking about but i didn't ever want to see this face again nor post it somewhere for people to see so here are some links so you get an idea what you can look like, i seriously looked like some sort of star wars alien and this further made me not want to take my hat off so i was caught in this problem off worrying I'm damaging grafts and taking it off only to have hundreds of people look at me. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=elephant+mans+head&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnxuTL4pXjAhVW63MBHY4kAwsQ_AUIECgB&biw=1285&bih=649#imgrc=Oy7S58xqNEIQ4M: https://www.google.com.au/search?biw=1285&bih=649&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=xA8bXZvKEKHYz7sPvN-okAI&q=star+wars+alien+head&oq=star+wars+alien+head&gs_l=img.3..0i8i30l2.111302.113523..114813...0.0..0.79.336.5......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0.yUT6wRjFIYU#imgrc=Nop23vXwpYsRLM: Progressively the swelling got worse and peaked by the time i got to Bangkok customs (i am staying in bangkok for 3 months studying before i go back home) here i stood infront of a camera sunnies and hat off feeling like the first alien to ever try get into Thailand and the customs people had some questions for me like, why am i coming into Thailand where is my proof of study etc but after some time i made it in and finally got to my room and relaxed. i quickly took my meds did my post op wash for the day and finally let my transplanted hair breathe. Overall: My experience at ASMED was 10/10 i cannot fault any part of the procedure and you get what you pay for. By no means is 9000euro cheap especially for me at 21years old trying to study a uni degree and pay this off over the next few years of my life But as i said you really do feel you get your money's worth as everything was done very well and at the end of the day if your going to go get this done and your hairloss means this much to you which it does if your getting it done in the first place you want that piece of mind knowing you have given yourself the best chance possible. My thoughts on my hairline writing this 3 days after the procedure is i love it i think it looks great and compliments my face and finally makes it all symmetrical which is what you want from a procedure like this. In saying that i like what i see but this is only the early stages, i will judge the final result after 12 months and hopefully it is similar to this density wise and there are NO double or more grafts placed in the hairline, that is what i am most stressed about and that is the work of the surgeon who picks and places the grafts in the already pre slit incisions done my Dr Erodgen so i can only hope they have done a good job. I can honestly say i am going to do pretty much everything known to man to compliment this hair transplant and give these hairs every chance possible to grow so me as an example can be a good one, good clinic, good patient (doing everything right) and we will see the final result because as stated sometimes things just don't go your way and your body won't accept all the grafts or whatever. Below are some photos of before during and after and a quick note i don't want any negativity unless it is constructive... please just be respectful and understand i am going through a stressful couple of months ahead and negative comments can plant bad idea's in post transplant patients heads and that is the last thing i need. Would like to know your thoughts on the hairline and ill post a couple swelling photos and i will make sure answer any questions you guys have. In regards to how often i will post, I'm planning monthly till month 6 then 3 monthly or maybe just 3 monthly in general, i will wait and see the response of this first.
  11. INTRODUCTION Dear forumers, Greetings from a fellow forumer and former/recent ASMED patient. It's been a while since my last visit, but a lot of things have happened regarding my hair loss (problems) in the meantime. Some of you could remember me as I was posting about my 3200 FUE HT journey with ASMED a few years ago. Since my last forum post in January 2017, I've undergone second transplant with the same clinic (and third in total) in the January 2018. Almost a year passed since my second transplant with ASMED (and third in total), so I decided to open a new thread to share my journey and result with the forum, as it is fair considering how much it and its members helped me in my hair restoration battles. Seems like a whole life has passed since I started to battle hair loss and jumped into HT chair. Unlike my former thread, this time I practically waited for my full 12 months result before posting anything, so I will present most of the materials and pictures through several monthly progress-themed posts, but in relatively short time frame. I hope you won't find unconvincing if this time I skip most of the details about my stay in the clinic/hotel, or the procedure, since most of the other recent Asmed patients described everything in their threads, as did I in my own old thread. However, I will point out on several details, because nowadays it seems that the discussion about ASMED practices is threatening to 'escalate into a full blown forum war' (just joking ;). I'll try to be as brief as possible, and if someone is interested in specific details you can ask everything via thread or PM. BTW, my old thread is still available in the patients results sub-forum (ASMED, 3200 FUE grafts in hairline and mid scalp, link: So, let's get to the point. In my old thread I mentioned several times that I was considering another, smaller HT to address my once severely thinned crown, which was stabilized and improved through continuous use of finasteride, and cca 1200 grafts from my first FUE HT with one Hungarian clinic (that HT unfortunately did not yield optimal result). However I was not satisfied with the amount of improvement, as it was still very see through in strong sunlight or artificial light, not to mention that certain longer hairstyles with such crown were looking unconvincing because of the lack of volume. I also mentioned that I was willing to increase density in my hairline. Honestly, there was no real need for that as my hairline result from the former HT with ASMED was nothing short of excellent considering the awful condition before 2nd HT. But hair greed really did struck me, and I couldn't stop debating with myself how it would look like if I add just a little bit more. Also, I wanted to be able to wear my hair a bit longer, in reminiscence to my hair glory days in high school (I was convinced back than that I have top quality hair, and was pretty much identifying myself with that particular image of a semi long-haired dude). Ahh those blessed memories (excessively exaggerated, ofc) I couldn't get my mind off! As my hairloss was and is pretty much stable due to the finasteride use, there were no real cons except for being conservative for the sake of future planning, finally I decided to jump into chair again! So, 3,5 years after my HT with ASMED, in July 2017 I contacted the clinic and sent updated photos for Dr. Erdogan's evaluation. That went smoothly, again I was considered a good candidate due to before mentioned factors, and Dr. Erdogan evaluated 2000 grafts procedure could be executed, with 1000 grafts for crown and 1000 for frontal part. This time, Sema was communicating with me as I was informed that my former patient coordinator no longer worked for the clinic. I filled in the forms, sent the 1000 EUROS deposit via bank transfer and booked the flight. My surgery was scheduled for January 18th 2018. First set of photos include pre-op consultation dry&wet pics:
  12. Well the day has come for me to leave to Istanbul Turkey from The United States. It will be an 11hr flight so I'm hoping the seats are comfortable haha. I am a bit nervous but looking forward to 6 months from now when I start to see new growth. I will post before and after pics as the time goes on. This site has really helped me choose Asmed and be confident in that choice. Between 4000-4500 was my online quote, so I will find out when I'm there how many I will have done. Fingers crossed for a safe procedure!
  13. Hello Friends, I am a 33 old male from Oslo, Norway and have had a fue procedure at asmed clinic on 4th and 5th of july. I have had an unsuccessful surgery done in Oslo for almost four years ago of almost 1500 grafts. So i decided to go with Dr. Koray Erdogan because no one could match his results and i felt being in secure hands even though it was a costly procedure. I am currently approaching my 14th week mark (almost 3.5 months) after FUE with 4512 grafts. I was not originally planning on making a post but after much insistence from my little bro (who is known by the name of “Kingbilla” on this forum and had a procedure done in september at asmed) i finally gave in and started this thread. Hope this can be helpful to others and i can get back some valuable feedbacks regarding my progress. I will not get into the details of travel and hospitality except to say everything you read about the level of service is absolutely correct. Everyone from the drivers to nurses are very kind and attentive. I went on a 8 days trip to turkey and combined the Operation (July 4th to 5th), My Coordinator was Muge, She was a great person, very professional and helpful. ASMED clinic was very clean, very modern, it was like a hotel, in fact there was a person playing piano in the lounge. Met with the Doctor , my donor area total was estimated at 8000 graft and he suggested 4500 grafts. After that my head was shaved and we agreed on the hairline. July 4th Wednesday Operation - Only the Anaesthesia injections were painful, other than that the Operation was just fine. I had trouble sleeping that night as I was asked to sleep on the Neck Pillow. 5th Thursday Operation - Again, Only the Anaesthesia injections was painful, other than that the Operation was just fine. again sleeping was the only Problem. 6th Friday - Went to the clinic and Performed the First wash. Will Keep Updating my progress and pictures, Hope it benefits. Please feel free to ask anything incase you are wondering something, as i am writing a very brief introduction to this thread. Thanks to all the members for giving me the confidence. Stats single: 990 double: 2234 triple: 1189 quardruple: 96 quintpule: 3 total grafts: 4512 Ratio: 2.09 hair/graft Micron: 55
  14. Hi again everyone, After much thought and researching further into the work of Dr Erdogan at Asmed Clinic, I thought it was only right to create this new topic. So my original post yesterday (below) titled 'Alternative to Dr Koray Erdogan at Asmed Clinic in Turkey?' was written in response to all the negative reviews that I had came across on here - something I had never came across in the past year of researching his work. However, after further inspection all of yesterday and throughout the night, thought it was only fair that I share what I found. Several reviews on here are saying how 'pluggy' their HTs are from Asmed, and although I do agree, must say that these results are no different to the work that Dr Erdogan and his team have performed for many years, or at least that's how I see it. I urge people to look at results on google and his own website, where you will see for yourselves similar results. I was going to take a few screenshots, but thought I would just let people go away and see for themselves. I guess the conclusion of all of this, is that his results (both current and past) are not perfect, but this is rarely the case with any surgeon and that his results are pretty good nonetheless, with some outstanding. For this reason I would like to retract my original post below and proceed with Dr Erdogan as originally planned with the confidence that I will be satisfied with his work. So please do take a look at his past results and let me know what you think and hopefully you will agree that Dr Erdogan's work is no better or no worse than it has been over the years and therefore feel it is unfair to wrongly suggest this. Many thanks, Matthew
  15. Hey HTN. Im not much of an online poster but I felt Asmed deserved the praise. Firstly before going into the hair transplant and results, I can talk about the clinic and staff. So professional and world class. I visited the new building and it's world class facility. I had a staff coordinator guiding me through everything with regular email correspondence. When it came time to he hair transplant, the staff and doctor payed close attention to the number of donor hairs and the design of the new hairline. Great, hygienic conditions with a large number of staff looking after me the whole time. The pain is almost nothing as i was treated with painkillers and local anaesthetic. I actually slept through the procedure, it was so comfortable. Great guidance as to what to do after the procedure as well. But the important thing is the result. The result already looks amazing after 9 days. I got 4000 grafts done and it looks very dark and dense all over. I really reccomend going to Asmed. Its your hair and appearance so you should place a lot of importance in it. You don't want to get a really bad result. I really believe Asmed is the best in the world at this. I hope this helps. Thanks.
  16. Thanks to this forum, it helped me a lot. Had my HT on 3 and 4 July. 32 years old. Taking 1.25mg Fin starting from the day of surgery.
  17. I just saw this video posted on ASMED's YouTube channel. I thought it was interesting as it shows the new clinic. I have to say it look pretty impressive.
  18. I am a 33 year old caucasian male with a receding hairline, estimated to be between a Norwood 2 & 3 with no balding on the crown. I need my temples filled in and hairline lowered - framing my face. I am searching for the optimal balance between a youthful and natural hairline. I do have a natural high forehead which has made ill effects of a receding hairline considerably worse so I would like to try and lower it as much as possible within reason. My hair loss has been across 10-12 years and has been very slow considering I don't take finasteride and only recently started using minoxidil foam. I experimented with finasteride and I'm not prepared to take it long term. I've done research for many years but I'm finally looking to bite the bullet. I have financial constraints which limits who I can see while my current work and social situation makes this the ideal time to undertake a HT. I'm based in Sydney, Australia. My preference was Koray/ Asmed Clinic based on results and I was recently quoted requiring 2400-2600 grafts. The total cost including flights I estimated to be around $12,000 which I cannot afford. I've been long considering Bhatti/ Darling Buds in India. I was concerned about his hairlines a few years back, namely spacing between grafts and overall natural look, but there seem to be some new and impressive results on his website. The hairline seems both flatter and more natural. I could also do the whole thing for circa $5000 AUD. I've narrowed down my choice to Turkey or India based on cost. Can anyone recommend a doctor based on my circumstances. Thank you!
  19. Intro I’ve done some research and I want to be corrected if I’m wrong. If I can be, I will have the confidence needed to consult with ASMED. About me Late 20s Norwood 3V (minor loss at crown) Finesteride and Minoxidil - hair loss stable. Goals Restore hairline and temple points and minimal loss at crown. Thoughts ASMED ASMED get decent results but it’s roulette in terms of which tech team you get. Donor management isn’t the best - they use more grafts than other clinics to achieve the density illusion. I’ve also seen more aggressive hairlines on younger patients than more conservative clinics. I worry that if the meds stop working down the road, I could be left with limited grafts and an unatural look. FUE I have three crowns so having super short hair for me has never worked. Therefore I’m not worried about FUT. I also think FUE isn’t great when you’re younger because of how loss can resume: you can get more grafts out of FUT in the long run and it doesn’t destroy nearby follicular units like FUE. FUE is blind. FUT has better survival rates. Conclusion I am actively considering ASMED but the above consist of my reservations. Therefore, I’m also thinking FUT with Hasson Wong.
  20. Hello Everyone, I'm a patient who unfortunately developed a necrosis after 4147 grafts in July 27 2017. You can read my original story here: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/187587-4147-grafts-fue-asmed-dr-erdogan.html Arrival I arrived in Istanbul on Sunday, May 20th. This trip was a lot easier because I knew exactly what to do, where to go and what to expect. I was picked up by Ihmet (one of ASMED drivers) and taken to Sheraton Hotel. The hotel is gorgeous, very modern. Consultation The next day at around noon I was picked up by ASMED driver and was taken to the clinic to see Dr Koray for a consultation. I was first greeted by Sema another patient coordinator (Suzana was in the surgery room with another patient), to fill out some paperwork. After I've filled out the form I've met with Dr. Umut (Anesthesiologist). He asked me the same questions as the last time about allergies to anesthesia etc. I told him that after my previous procedure I had very bad itching. He immediately walked to the cabinet in the room, grabbed some pills, handed to me and said: After the procedure if you feel any itching, take one pill a day and it should help. He also gave me pain killers in case I would feel pain after my procedure. Right after I was taken to take pictures. I then went to see Dr. Koray. When I walked into Dr. Koray's office, the first thing that Dr. Koray said was: I'm so sorry you had to go through necrosis. He felt so bad. He gave me a big bear hug and said "Let's take care of this". Initially this procedure was supposed be a shaved FUE, just like the first time but after discussing it with Dr. Koray, it was decided that in this case an unshaved Long Hair FUE was achievable. I was over the moon with the news because I knew that I don't have to go through a long process of growing the hair back. We spent about 45 minutes with Dr. Koray, his head nurse and my patient coordinator Suzana (more about her later) looking at all my pictures on a big screen. Dr. Koray looked at all photos pre op, post op and new photos taken a few minutes prior. Dr. Koray said: "We will do this procedure slow and meticulous because the skin from necrosis was new and fragile". After the consultation we said our goodbyes and I was taken back to the hotel. My procedure was scheduled to be the next day. Procedure I was picked up by the driver at 7:15 am and taken to the clinic. I was greeted by a receptionist and Suzana. ASMED really puts you at ease. It felt warm. They really do take care of you. I was taken downstairs by Suzana to change my clothes into scrubs. I was then taken to the OR. Few minutes later my surgical team arrived. One of the girls was from my first procedure. It was great seeing her again. We had our small talk, laughed and then I was getting ready for my procedure. I knew the anesthesia shots suck big time. But this time they said I won't need as many and because I already had my first procedure and something about nerves being traumatized already, I won't feel as much pain. They were right. First couple shot stung a little then I couldn't feel a thing. The extraction of long hair grafts started at 8:00 am and took almost the same time as my first shaved FUE procedure of 2200 grafts (on day one). They were going very slow and meticulous. They even showed me a few of my long hair grafts. It was so cool. Dr. Umut came in few times to make sure I was feeling comfortable. We finished the extractions at around 11:30-12 noon. Then lunch was provided. It was very delicious. After lunch, we went back to the OR. Dr. Koray came in and made the incisions and nurses started implanting. I was done at around 3:30 pm. I was then taken to the wash room. My head nurse washed my hair very carefully. They also brought me tea and toasted pastry. Dr. Koray walks in to see the final work. He look at my head and said: "I really think we did it this time. Everything looks pink and healthy". After washing my hair, I went to the photo room where new set of photos were taken. I have to say that this time the procedure felt so much easier. Granted I only had 602 grafts (comparing to 4147 grafts the first time). Even anesthesia wasn't as bad. After my first operation I felt like my head was under a helmet all the time and it lasted a while. This time, the very next day I almost didn't feel anything. I stayed 3 extra days in Turkey to get my daily wash. I know that the first 3 days are very important and wanted to make sure they wash it. I was little scared to do it myself the first 3 days lol Suzana, my patient coordinator I would like to say a few words about Suzana. This girl is incredible. After few initial emails, we started communicating by using WhatsApp. At times I felt she didn't even get enough sleep because she was replying to my questions and concerns way passed her bedtime (8-10 pm her time). She was constantly sending me messages at any time of the day. When I was in Turkey, she would send me messages around 8-9 pm telling me what to expect the following day. She's a machine. Dr. Koray, if you are reading this, Suzana deserves a big RAISE lol. On my last day, we had a little concert singing and playing piano in the lobby. It was great. Dr. Koray You are one of the most ethical doctors I know. I felt I was getting a 5 star treatment from a 5 star clinic by a world class surgeon. So again Dr Koray, Suzana and your entire staff, THANK YOU SO MUCH for everything you have done for me.
  21. This forum has been very helpful, here is my review so that it may help/guide others. Background I am in my mid thirties based in North America with hair loss starting since I was 25, but it really accelerated in the past 6 months. I also suffer from seborrheic dermatitis which I have had trouble controlling with shampoos. As I lost hair, the dermatitis has become more apparent and that is what got me looking into hair transplant more seriously. I had never really thought about it much before that. My family has a Norwood 6 history and that is where I was heading. So, it was crucial I found someone that would both address the current hair loss and have a plan for future hair loss. Therefore, I needed to understand my donor capacity, total recipient area and a realistic understanding of what to expect from a hair transplant present and future if I choose. I started researching limiting myself to North America as I wanted to be close for post-care treatment. And due to price, not fully understanding fue and not having to shave my head, I limited myself to FUT only at the start. After further research, I realized how advanced FUE has become and I refocused my attention to only looking at FUE. It was a big bonus not to have a scar and have the option to wear my hair short in the future. Due to the price of FUE in North America, I started to consider Europe and Turkey as well. I quickly realized how advanced Turkey was in FUE. I got a total of 18 consultations/proposals, around the world, 3 of which were directly in person with the Doctor. All the responses suggested 3000-4000 grafts with pricing ranging from 2,000$-18,000$ and one was even 30,000$. My issue with every one of these proposals is when I asked about donor capacity, required grafts/cm2 for good coverage, manual vs motorized extraction, max number of grafts per session and many more, I got many conflicting non-scientific answers. It started to feel like an art and not a science which doesn’t sit well with me. I resorted to my own research on a lot of it and got some of the answers but not all. I will not get into any of that here. Then I found Dr. Erdogan. I had read about him on the forums but did not like that he was a technician clinic. But after I researched him, his method and his work, I was impressed. I watched his presentation on coverage value as a function of density, caliber and number of hairs per graft. I was sold. Finally someone with a scientific approach and a coverage value based on research and evidence. I watched all Dr Erdogan’s videos, devoured his website and before/after results on Baldtruthtalk, Hairrestorationnetwork and other forums. My decision was made before the online consultation. I filled the consultation form, received an answer back fairly quickly within a week saying that they recommend 5000 grafts. I was expecting that as I realized from the forums that they are of the mentality if you are above 3000 and you have both donor capacity and current/future hair loss area. And I agree. The maximum you can do per session is typically 2500 grafts. So for two days in a row, it would be 5000 grafts. I booked for December. I asked questions periodically from then on and received answers in a timely fashion. My main concern with the 5000 grafts was to make sure I had enough donor capacity to allow some for future in case. They assured me that an assessment of donor capacity will be done at the in-person consultation with Dr Erdogan and the number of grafts could potentially be reduced accordingly. They recommended I start on finasteride, and I started taking it in September. The Arrival My patient coordinator was Artun York and he was great answering questions and making suggestions for things to do during my stay. I arrived on a Sunday and Artun coordinated with me through WhatsApp for the driver to meet me at the airport and take me to the hotel. Smooth. The in-person Consultation The in-person consultation was on Monday and I was asked to be ready in the hotel lobby at 1230 where a driver met me and took me to the clinic lobby. Artun met me there and went over some paperwork procedures, what to expect etc. And of course, I drained him with my questions, but he was very patient and very helpful. If you get Artun as your coordinator, you are in good hands. Then we went to a room where I was asked to take my shirt off so they can take an ECG and bloodwork. Then before pictures. Then some paperwork. It took a while to meet Dr. Erdogan and they should probably time patients visit to wait less at the clinic. Nonetheless, it was a very nicely designed clinic with two girls playing violin and piano in the lobby with a snack/juice bar. Everyone was very friendly and welcoming. I can see that being draining on a consistent basis for the employees, so I commend them on such a hospitable consistent attitude. When I met Dr. Erdogan, he was very humble and professional. He was happy with the progress using finasteride. After some small talk, he measured my hair caliber (55 microns), my hair density (between 70-80 grafts/cm2) and estimated the average number of hairs per graft (1.95). Based on that, he came up with a donor capacity of 8500 grafts, which was great. He also explained that I will get more density up front where I lost more hair and then it will reduce as he moves back. The max density he would go based on experience is 52 grafts/cm2, which would give a coverage value in my case above the 5.4 threshold. Just to side track for a minute, I had an in-person consultation with one of the most reputable hair transplant surgeons in North America and he measure my hair caliber at 40 microns. He did not measure any densities or anything else and then determined I had a donor capacity of 5000 grafts. When I asked him how he came up with that number he looked at my donor area and said, “I can tell by look at it.” That was insulting to me. When I mentioned this to Dr. Erdogan, he told me that he measured the caliber in numerous locations, so he was certain. Dr Erdogan then began to draw the hair line. When I looked in the mirror, I noticed it was aggressive and slightly pointy at the front. He asked me what I thought, I said he was the expert and I liked his work so I didn’t change anything. I asked everyone in the room and they liked it as well. Then we went to the finance office where I paid the remaining amount owed. We then went to get my head shaved. That was cool- never done it before. Then I went back to the photo room where Dr. Erdogan met me again and checked the hairline and adjusted it slightly based on my shaved head. He was always very friendly. Then I went to the K bot that scanned my head to take more data. I met Dr. Umat too (the anesthesiologist) throughout this process who was a cool guy with an interesting sense of humor and very sharp as well. The seborrheic dermatitis at the time was mostly under control but there were still some red spots that they put some cream on to take care of. Have dinner at Develi, they have a shuttle to and from the hotel. Or Beluga if you like fish. Both great restaurants and decently priced. Don’t worry about the lines drawn on your head, people are used to that in Turkey, or at least I assumed they were. Who cares, you don’t know anyone anyways. Surgery Day I had breakfast at 630am, then the driver picked me up to go for surgery at 710am. Took the required antibiotic pill which we were to take fore 3 mornings in a row. First, we went to the barber room where my nurse shaved my head again to make sure its all the same required level. Then I headed to the surgery room and met all the nurses. The surgery chair is very comfortable. The first part is the anesthesiology where they poke needles into the donor area to number it. It stings and they do this numerous time to numb the one side of the donor area for day 1 surgery. Day 2 surgery they numb the other side. They measure your heart rate throughout the procedure and blood pressure at the beginning. An IV is put into your hand for the incision phase/ Then they gave me a chin rest as extractions are done in the sitting position. It was not very comfortable for me but manageable. They have a screen in front of you showing live the number of grafts, number of hairs per graft, speed etc. Loved it, it was like watching an NBA game where it was singles vs doubles vs triples and of course I was routing for the triples. Keep in mind they need a fair number of singles on the first day to cover the front hair line and on the second day you will see a slightly higher hairs/graft. I also kept busy on Netflix on the ipad they provided. Phones are not allowed in the surgery room. I was hoping to have a few conference calls in there for work, didn’t work out. Extractions took about 3.5 hours. Then we had a break for lunch. Food was decent, but I wasn’t hungry after the big buffet breakfast at the hotel. Then I went back in and it was incision time. I was injected with IV which made me drowsy. Dr. Erdogan walked in and started to make the incisions. I fell asleep in the middle and woke up finding them already in the middle of implanting the extracted grafts. It was a long day that ended around 6pm. Then they bandage you up and Dr. Erdogan checks to make sure it all looks good. They give you a neck pillow to sleep on, which I don’t recommend you use. Bring your own memory foam neck pillow, wish I did. The next day, same routine. They washed our hair in the morning and shaved the head again to make sure it’s all the same level. The procedure was the same drill. I had dinner at the hotel that night. Post-op Day 1- The night wasn’t bad, uncomfortable of course as it’s hard to sleep in your back with the neck pillow. The next morning the driver picked me (and others) up after breakfast for the wash. At this point they teach us how to wash and do it for us the first time. I was there for 2 more days and they were kind enough to let me come in in the mornings to get my hair washed. They found some oozing in my graft area which was explained as some residual anesthetic oozing out of my skin. To be on the safe side they gave me more antibiotics. I was fairly comfortable from pain perspective that day. Day 2- I woke up in the morning and found due to the neck pillow, the fluids in the back of my head moved up and formed a big ball at the back of my head. When I stood up it all settled down. Weird feeling. I started to get some pain in the donor area on this day, but assumed it was normal with the number of holes I had in my head (10,000- 5000/5000 recipient/donor). I took painkillers, that helped only a bit. Day 3- I was very uncomfortable in the donor area and asked the clinic about it. They checked the donor area and said it looked normal and gave me a stronger painkiller. I slept on the flight back but woke up in a lot of pain. Day 4- My donor area was swollen, and the pain was not bearable. That night, I had so much pain, I slept like 1.5 hours and was pacing the hallways at night not knowing what it was. The back of my head in the donor area is where it hurt, and it was swollen. Texted Artun asking about it. He asked for pics and talked to the doctor. The doctor reviewed it and said, it looks normal, it will pass in a few days. I called a doctor friend of mine who came over and looked at it. He also said no sign of infection, but that my nerves are finding their way back. I researched the internet and found that although that happens, it is not that painful. He then examined me further and found my neck, traps and upper back were very tight creating a lot of tension in the donor area. I got it massaged and holy shit, what a relief. The nerve ending sensitivity exacerbated the tension in the donor area significantly. The pain after that massage to loosen the muscles went from an 8 to a 2. It was still tingling and uncomfortable to sleep on, but bearable pain. Hot showers and massage helped. Also, i tried to keep my feet off the ground as those nerve endings triggered pain at the bag of my head donor area. Post op responses take a bit longer than I would like. Day 5- The pain came back, but then I got a massage again and it got better again. Donor area still sensitive. Day 6- The pain started to get slightly better. Donor area still sensitive. Day 7- The pain started to get a lot better. Donor area still sensitive, which is normal and okay. Sensitive to cold. Summary: Mid thirties Heading to a Norwood 6 based on balding pattern and family history Donor capacity: 8500 grafts Caliber 55 microns Donor density: 70-80 grafts/cm2. Recipient grafts: 5020 Av number of hairs per grafts: 1.96 Overall experience at the clinic: 9.5/10
  22. Please could someone explain how you will fix 3000 hair grafts in hairline that are pointing in the wrong direction. The hairline seems to stand up and direct backwards not following the direction of rest of hair making it odd looking plus the low density and multi hair grafts in hairline. My clinic co ordinator has been really helpful of late and offered to fix hairline for me but when i ask how they will fix she doesn't say and says its against clinic policy speaking to doctor how he and surgical assistants will perform repair. I have read on other message boards changing hair direction is impossible to do, this has got me really worried.
  23. Hi everyone, i need some advice on what to do. I am booked to see Dr Koray Erdogan next week (friday) but after seeing the recent results the clinic is producing I am really considering backing out. My main focus for the procedure is my hairline, the rest of my hair is really quite thick I am around a Norwood 3. but I keep seeing unhappy patients recently and the main thing they all seem to have in common is the lack of density and the hairline looking really pluggy and unnatural. Given the fact that good hairline is my main goal, I really am considering pulling the plug on Asmed this late. (I’ve even sent the deposit I don’t know if I will get it back) To be honest I assumed the results of that payam dude were rare but after I did some more digging I realised I keep finding more and more unhappy patients and I am really struggling to find RECENT cases of people who were happy with their hairline. my second choice is dr Raghu reddy, he is more expensive but he is there throughout the whole procedure, it would be done over 2 days, he performs the extractions incisions and transplantation. i have been looking forward to visiting Asmed for months now but it is a really big decision to make and I thought Erdogan was safe and one of the best in the business (also affordable) should I pull out or hope for the best?
  24. Hi everyone, thank you for taking the time out to read this. I am a 38 year old male, Norwood 4 to 5. I have been researching the net, especially this Forum around having an FUE procedure for the past 2 years now. Up untl recently I thought I had made up my mind and was looking to book in a surgery with Dr Koray Erdogan. I have very recently become concerned with the quality of his work as of late, 2017, 2018 compared to the work he was doing and the quality of work up until the mid to late 2016. I am led to believe he is not involved in the surgeries at all, rather just a 15 minute consultation before the start of surgery to draw the hair line. What the above is leading me to believe is that we are essentially at the mercy of the techs that perform the surgery and its their quality that we should be worried about rather than the surgeon who does not partake in any aspects of the surgery. This seems to be the case in most practices around the world but more evidently in Turkey where some good FUE work is being performed. With this in mind I started comparing his results as of late to Dr ACAR from Cosmedica, his work as of late, specifically looking at the past 2 years or so seems to be on the same level as Dr erdogan, his involvement the same with his techs doing ll the work, and yet around 5000 euros cheaper in price. I guess what I am getting my head around is what is my reasoning around spending an extra 5000 euros to see Erdogan instead of Acar when neither doctor really has anything to do with the surgery and yet the results at an initial instance, roughly the 12 month mark are very much similar. I must say I was troubled by a post I saw by fellow user Payam, now he may be anxious and not have the patience needed when it comes to results and time etc, but he did have some concerns around clear gaps in his hairline straight after surgery, but yet it seemed that the dr whose name was the whole reason he travelled to turkey and spent thousand of pounds nad put his faith into, was not approachable . Any comments, feedback, discussion would be very much appreciated. Cheers
  25. Hi Everyone, On 8 December 2015 I had 3400 FUE at Asmed Clinic in Istanbul, Turkey. Here’s my review. About me I’m from Australia and 43 years old. My temples and hairline began to recede in my twenties. I was self-conscious, and downright frightened of how it would progress. By the age of 26 (back in 1998) I had my first prescription for Propecia (Finasteride). I’ve had zero side effects and have stuck with Finasteride for the past 17 years. My hair loss slowed remarkably, but did not completely halt. My donor hair is fine (40 microns, it turns out), however is reasonably dense all over. My research I was looking for a doctor with proven results in densely packed hairline restoration. Had I been approaching my first HT earlier in life, a conservative approach might have factored more into my decision. But I’m in my forties, have 17 years of prevention under my belt, and I’ve managed to hold it at NW2. I wanted a FUE doc who had the best chance of constructing a believable restored hairline. I scoured this forum before moving to a shortlist for online consultations. Before locking in Asmed, I private messages 10 past patients. I mostly reached out to forum members who has posted their original results then gone quiet, and to my surprise I heard back from all but one. Of the 9 that responded, eight were pleased with their final results, and one was openly disappointed. Despite the single negative response I remained comfortable, paid a deposit, planned a holiday around the procedure and booked flights. My consultation Nothing out of the ordinary. Photos, blood work, met Erdogan, he measured caliber of hairline and density, discussed expectations, drew a great hairline that was easily agreed, final number of grafts locked in, and head shaved (gulp!). Having my hair caliber confirmed as 40 microns was a bummer, but hardly a surprise. I made the final decision to proceed with the surgery the following day, and paid Euros cash. Note: Asmed requires cash payment to avoid paying a 20% tax. This means that to proceed at the 2.5 Euros per graft quoted you need to acquire a massive amount of foreign currency before you leave home, and then travel with it. This is a major hassle/worry, and I was relieved to finally hand it over. Surgery day Again, nothing out of the ordinary. Erdogan’s first assistant Dilek was assigned to my surgery. I’d seen her name numerous times on the forums, and was comforted knowing she had many years of experience. There was also another tech involved, however Dilek spent the most time worklng on me. I estimate she performed 80% of the extractions, and over half of the implantations. There were 3 surgeries happening at Asmed the same day as me, and 4 the following day. Anyone considering Asmed should go in with the understanding Erdogan’s involvement will be limited to the hairline design and incisions. I knew this going in, and was fine with it, however it could be a surprise to others. One thing I do distinctly recall was the impact of the medications. The anesthesiologist offered me a Xanax in the morning to calm my nerves, then a Tramadol at lunch for the pain. Well, what a combination. After lunch I was drifting in and out of vivid dream scenarios and calmly waking up in the middle of my HT. That happened on repeat for hours. I spoke to other patients and none of them had the same trance-like experience – so it must have just been the medication’s impact on me. I was in surgery until almost 8pm and was too swept away in the various dreams to be bored…so I was more than okay with it. I had the optional PRP, and I really hope it does something hurry along his dreadful redness. My stats • Total grafts – 3404 (3200 was originally planned, and was only charged for this) - 420 singles - 1790 doubles - 1134 triples - 60 quadruples • Average hair per graft – 2.24 (7643 hairs) • Caliber: 40 microns • Donor capacity: 8500 My tips Try to connect with other patients. Do your best to find out if any other forum members will be at the same doctor/clinic the same week as you. Before leaving, I connected with another Australian who had surgery booked the day before mine, and he had connected with another forum member booked for surgery the same day as me. By the end of it there were a few us catching up at the Radisson, and we’re now connected on Facebook swapping recovery stories. Hair transplants are a major life experience, and connecting with real people who have chosen the same path, going through the exact same thing, at the same time, has been an unexpected surprise and comfort. Don’t rush back home I went over with partner by my side, and we travelled for 2 weeks following the op. It was great to be able to walk around overseas not caring what strangers thought of my bald, massacred, head. I’m back home now, and to keep the procedure quiet I’m having have to carefully manage any social appearances…I wish we had stayed away longer. Results It’s way too early to tell. I’ll take pics every month to track my own progress, and will be happy to share them. Fingers crossed, I’ll have good news to report in around 6 months. Either way, I'll return the favour and report back honestly with success or regrets. Ersko72
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