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  1. @rhstoned, stick&place and DHI are two FUE techniques. DHI is the newest technique and I consider it to be a evolution of stick&place. The most profitable technique is having the doctor do pre-made slits and then have techs do the implanting because it allows for more grafts to be implanted in 1 day and for the Doctor to have more than 1 patient per day. This is why this technique is common but I would never chose it for myself. Overharvesting has nothing to do with motorized extraction but rather with clinics using technicians with little experience to extract grats (you have cases of overharvesting here at HRN from ASMED for just this reason). Dr. BF does both manual and motorized extraction depending on the graft he is extracting and if you check @Rolandas results thread you will confirm that @Dr. Bruno Ferreira produces the cleanest donor area you will ever see.
  2. I feel Dr koray has had a bit of a hard time of it on here over the last year or so. Here is my experience. I travelled to turkey in April last year to get my transplant. From minute one the service was outstanding, even in a crazy Istanbul airport my driver was easily identifiable and the process was easy (flew home out the new airport which was magnificent btw) My experience of the clinic was they were excellent at customer service. I stayed in the Radisson next to it. Literally a two minute walk, but was still picked up. Everything worked like clockwork. This is all incidental. The result I've had has been pretty good. I'm slightly upset at my self not to have challenged the shape of the hairline that was designed but that's on me. It's also slightly less thick on my left side. But overall a very decent job. 3800 grafts. I've been complemented on it numerous times, I used to play football so a lot of the people I know have had transplants done, badly in the uk and else where in turkey. Anyways here is my before and after. It got worse before I went out there. Please excuse the bad lockdown haircut. I've purposefully frowned so you can see the top line of my head to make a comparison. I'll take a pic with better lighting tomorrow. No product other than a wee bit of wax to give shape. Oh and my just for men hair dye 😂...
  3. I arrived to Istanbul on 15th of January 2017 before midnight, after previous online consultation, booking an appointment and paying deposit. I choosed Asmed and Dr. Erdogan for theses reasons: 1. In that time Asmed almost hadn´t bad results on HT forums, 2. on their website they wrote, that they have interpreter from my native language (it wasn´t true), 3. I had good flight conection to Istanbul. After arrival the driver of Asmed clinic wait for me and my patient coordinator Sevinc called me to say welcome in Istanbul and to give me informations about my stay. On the second day, 16th of January 2017, in the afternoon I had an appoitment in Asmed clinic, where I filled the questionary and met Dr. Erdogan. He spoke with me for a while and draw me the hairline. I told him my expectations. Than they made pictures of me and my hair condition and cut my hair for 2 mm. Dr. Erdogan check my donor and said that I need 4500 grafts for hairline and vertex. Previous number of grafts after online consultation was 4000 – 4200 grafts. After that I payed rest of ammount (tottaly 11.250,- Eur for HT). Than Dr. Erdogan came and draw new hairline, but I didn't agree with it. He said that this hairline perfect suits me and asked the staff if he is right. Of course that nobody said that it is not true. Maybe it was my fault but I didn't know that this is final hairline for surgery and I expected that before surgery he draw me new hairline. I found out it next day, but it couldn't be changed (hairline is much worse as he drawed). I had my HT surgery on 17th and 18th of January 2017. Dr. Erdogan made just incisions and the rest (hair harvesting and implantation) were made by stuff. One of them told me that my grafts are perfect quality and my result will be great. After finishing my HT I look to the mirror and I saw that my hairline is wrong and unnaturall. Dr. Erdogan saw that I was not satisfied with my hairline and told that it is due the swelling and when hair start growing it will be fine. On 19th of January 2017 Dr. Erdogan checked the result and I came home. I started to use finasteride 1mg daily from the surgery. I sent my pictures to Asmed after one month, after 3 months and after 6 months from the surgery and they always wrote me back that everything is ok. After 11 months I saw that my transplanted area is still lack and result is bad, therefor I wrote to the Asmed and sent them pictures. They (Sevinc) wrote me that it is normal and everybody has different hair growth and I have to wait to the end of 18 month from HT and if my transplanted area will be still lack I have to write them and they offer me a solution. After 18 months my transplanted area was still lack and there were no improvement, therefor I wrote to Asmed another mail with pictures and asked them why my result is so weak and where the mistake happened. I was very suprised when they asked me to fill new questionary and to send them another pictures. My surprise was much bigger when they wrote me that I need another HT with 2500 grafts, which will be cost 6.250,- Euros. I have been in Istanbul again in August 2018 and I wrote to Asmed and asked them to arrange an apointment with Dr. Erdogan. They wrote me back that Dr. Erdogan is busy due the moving of clinic and he has no time to meet me. After time I published few pictures of my result on this forum with asking for opinion and I was contacted from Asmed for informations who am I and when I had HT in their clinic. I send them answears and they asked me for pictures of current condition of my hair, which I sent them, but I didn't get response. After 3 weeks I wrote them that I didn't get any response and they wrote me that they sent me response on my email adress but I didn't get it. After few days they wrote me that Dr. Erdogan checked my pictures and my result is normal and it was caused due stopped using finasteride (I have using Propecia for 18 months from the surgery). I wrote them that it can't be true, because my original hair are fine and my transplanted area are lack. Also the condition of my hair was same after 11 and after 18 months when I took Propecia, and now when I don't take Propecia. If it will be true, than my transplanted area will be fine and original hair will be lack. I wrote it them and they asked me for another set of pictures which Dr. Erdogan will check again and tell me the best solution. Therefor I sent them another set of pictures with current condition of my hair, but they didn't response for a month. I wrote them that I didn't get response and they wrote me that they sent me response on my email adress but I didn't get it. Another day they wrote me that hair behind the frontline started shedding when I stopped finasteride. Therefore it does not support the frontal part and this is why it looks as it does. I sent them once again set of my pictures and wrote them that I was on finasteride from my surgery to the end of 18 month since surgery and asked them, if bad result of HT in 11 month since surgery and in 17 and 18 month since surgery, where the same weak result was visible is caused by discontinuation of using finasteride after 18 months and asked them where is area of shaded hair after discontinuation of finasteride, which they mentioned. They wrote me back on 13th February 2020, that they will have a meeting with Dr. Erdogan to my case next day (14th February) and they let me know. Because I didn´t get any response I wrote them on 6th March what is happened. They wrote me back, that they had meeting, but Dr. Erdogan had to go to Mexico for the FUE workshop and they didn´t write the report and they think that I need another HT with 2500 grafts (the didn´t mentioned if free HT). I wrote them back that I still don´t know what is the reason of my terrible result of HT. They wrote me back that no using of finasteride is one of the reason and the exact reason is possible to say after analysis in live. On 8th March 2020 Melvin Moderator contacted me and he asked me for informations about my HT and than he wrote to Asmed. On 12th of March Asmed contacted me that Dr. Erdogan will analyze my photos once again and they let me know. Today is 11th April and nothing has change. Nobody from Asmed contacted me for another month. After 3 years and 4 months since my HT I still don´t know what is the reason of my terrible HT result. But I know that the reason is not discontinuation of using finasteride after 18 months since surgery, because the result in 11 month since surgery, 17 and 18 month since surgery and also now is the same. I don´t know if I should wait for some response from Asmed, but I don´t believe for something serious from them because I see that they try to delegate resposibility to my person and dicontinuation of finasteride after 18 months since surgery. And this is NOT the reason! I understood that they didn't want to help me to fix my weak result, but the purpose why they contacted me was to stop me to write negative things about Asmed clinic. From my HT I checked a lot of web sites and forums with this problematic and I saw a lot of results of another surgeons and clinic (in many cases "no name" surgeons and clinics) on theses forums and also on their web sites, where I saw a lot of similar hair loss cases like mine which are great and were solved with less numbers of grafts and I understood that I that I made a big mistake, when I decided to go to Asmed. Density of my frontal area is lack, shape of my hairline is unnatural with gap on one side and total result of my HT is weak and bad. One thing is the result. But another thing is attitude of clinic to their result. And the attitude of Asmed to my result is unethical and unprofessional. I usually do good decisions in my life and just a few of my decisions I consider as bad. But decision about going to Asmed and Dr. Erdogan for hair transplant I consider the worst in my life...
  4. Hi everybody, I had my 3rd surgery with Asmed on the 14th of Feb. Hopefully this is my final transplant. I had some hair line issues which we have rectified this time around and have also targeted the crown area. I arrived in Turkey, Istanbul on the 10th with the consultation with Dr Koray on the 13th. The new hospital is very modern and high tech. I did find it very quiet and less "fun" than the old hospital. Consultation During the consultation I was looked after Suzanna who has an great insight into patient care and of transplants. She is very knowledgeable regarding the tech around hair transplants and was the one who I had been in constant touch prior arriving in the country. First, the standard photographs were taken with an handheld camera. Both dry and wet shots. Then the KE-Bot was used to calculate my donor. This machine/robot in my eyes is an amazing piece of equipment. In an space of 15 mins, it can take 3000 images of every single hair you have in the donor and also in the recipient. From the screen in front of me, I could see how thick my donor hair is and was amazed to see I have donor hairs consisting of 5, 6 and 7 hairs in terms of grouping. After the Ke-Bot, my donor again was evaluated using an small head held camera which they use (its pressed against the skin). Once again, the micron was measured at 70. The micron is extremely important. As greater the micron, the more thicker the donor hair shaft is. Thicker micron usually determines in an overall satisfying end result. This is why some people get "wowed" by results by surgeons such as Couto. Couto patients usually have thick micron's; if your donor hair is on the thin side then do not expect to have an result like Couto patients. You will only hurt yourself and your expectations will not be met. Have seen it many times on this forum. Finally Dr Koray arrived. It was great seeing him. Once again, he was an gentlemen and he took his time explaining everything. He was against transplanting in the crown as he stated I had some miniaturized hairs which may get shocked. But I wanted this to me my final surgery so he gave the ok signal. As a joke, I told him I don't want to see him again in another 5 years in an another new hospital and he burst out laughing. But if I am in Istanbul again, I will surely visit again. Thanks to him having hair again, it has turned my life around, made me more feel confident. He is an friend for life. I also met Dr Alp Bayramoglu who is part of the team. Great guy and took an great interest in my previous 2 surgeries. Finally the hair line drawing. Dr Koray said 800 grafts in the hairline and behind it. 300 grafts into the crown. I already had 700 grafts in the vertex area from my 2nd surgery but this time all the 300 grafts were concentrated in the black hole cow where my cowlick is. This time the hair line is much more systematic. Before it was too straight from the left side and too high from the right side. Much more rounded and unique. Then I was taken to the KE-photo. This is an photography machine. You sit, then the machine comes down and takes about 10 photos in one go instead of someone manually taking the photos with an camera. Then Dr Umat the anaesthetist arrived. He was still tough as old boots but humorous like last time. I was supposed to meet Dilek but did not get the chance during both days I was at Asmed. I then left Asmed for my hotel. I understand a few people have stated the consultation felt rushed. This is not the case. Dr Koray has every single piece of information he needs to make decisions. Like the KE-Bot, the calculation of the donor, the micron of the donor. For me, I knew I am in good hands. He has all the information he needs from his tools. In my view Asmed is better now than they were before. Surgery day Standard stuff really; arrive at 7am, change clothes etc. Met the team in the surgery room and was glad to hear the team had more than 8 years in experience with Asmed. The main tech was the same one who worked on me from the 2nd surgery. Took 4 hours to extract 1126 grafts. Then lunch, then Dr Koray did the incisions. I think I fell asleep after and woke up right at the end when they finishing placing the final few grafts in the crown. I inspected the work and I was happy to see the dense packing in both hairline and crown area. They bandaged my head and I went back to the hotel. The next morning the bandage was removed, the work was washed and photos were taken again with the KE-photo. Then again, with the KE-Bot. Finally it was time to say goodbye to Dr Koray, Suzanna and everyone else. Final thoughts Like everyone else, I had been concerned about the quality of work declining and I asked the clinic. It is safe to say I am happy with their answers and before my 3rd surgery researched every patient forum where Asmed cases have been posted (real patient write-ups) such French, German, Italian forums and their work is still high quality. Dr Koay has been investing heavily into research and new technology and its only for his patients; to make a great result into an even greater result. The KE-bot is the world’s only robotic system to prepare a 3D model of the head, determine surface area, follicular unit density, hair density, the calculated density, the hair diameter, and coverage value. I know because it was used on me. The KE-photo also is an great technology. It is an photography system that takes six photos simultaneously in the same view to maintain consistency in before and after photography. Expectations, Expectations, Expectations Hair transplants is both an surgical procedure and an form of artisity. Actually it is way more than that. It is about donor hair, thick or thin hair shafts, the amount of hair loss, use of medication. These are all important. And for me, it has all worked out at the end. First, the usage of fin has greatly thickened my hair (I have been taking more than 7 years with no side effects). Secondly, I have an great donor. My patient lisaon (Suzanna) commented how thick my hair was. More thicker than Arabs and even more thicker than typical south-asian hair. I was astonished to hear this as I am south asian myself. I have played it safe with small surgeries of 2402 (2013), 2482 and finally 1126 (2020) grafts. I believe the gap in the years have helped the transplants mature and to see if any further hair loss has been detected...good to say it hasn't. It could be fin is still helping to maintain. I had my first transplant at 24 now I am 31. I have more hair than most of my friends. Usually again, the more surgeries you have the less thicker the donor becomes and the bigger grafts decline in number. It has not been the case for me: 2404 (2013) Single 489, double 1159, triple 700, multiple 54. Average 2.13 2482 (2016) Single 409, double 1392, triple, 633, quadruple 54, quintuple 2. Average 2.14 1126 (2020) Single 122, double 697, triple, 283, quadruple 24 Total 6012 grafts I will post when the need requires in the future, as hair loss is an battle which I have won (so far).
  5. Hello all i have just had 4500 grafts in Istanbul. happy with the results, and want to post my jounrney on here so that I perhaps have advice from fellow forum members here are some photos before surgery and after . I had such a good experience in the Asmed clinic, the professionalism of the team, the efficiency of all team members, friendliness and how they made me feel beats anything I’ve ever expedited in a hospital , dentist etc. It was like being on holiday! If you have any comments let me know. I am hoping that I will have a dense hairline and be able to spike hair up without it looking see through.
  6. Hi Everybody. I have previously had a 3000 graft FUE at ASMED 12 months ago, linked here: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/186728-asmed-koray-erdogan-3070-grafts-april-10th.html Overall very satisfied with the results from the first procedure, but still wanted to address the crown which was previously untouched, as well as density issues in some areas of the previous transplant, and create a slightly more aggressive hairline with more youthful closure at the temples, including an alteration to the overall design. Some background on my situation, I was initially a NW3V diffusing in a NW5 pattern that is very noticeable when wet but not an issue dry and with longer hair, 22 years old at the time, and had stabilised on finasteride. First procedure was solely for the hairline and created a slightly conservative NW 1.5-2 with 3070 grafts. My donor had roughly 9500 grafts to begin with and I am left with potentially another 2000-3000 after the second procedure, but the clinic suggested this is impossible to know for sure unless it is analysed 12 months down the track. In online consult 2000-2500 grafts were suggested for crown and frontal work, but in person Koray thought 3000 would be worthwhile to create a significant improvement in both the crown frontal third. Ultimately suggesting 1500 in the frontal third and 1500 in the crown. He also seemed impressed with the standard of my donor after the first procedure. Some stats on the second procedure: 3038 grafts – Hair/Graft ratio: 2.1 (quite a bit lower than the first time round) Average Hair Thickness – 50 microns Singles - 557 Doubles - 1709 Triples - 697 Quadruples - 74 Quintuples - 1 Sextuples - 0 Minor points, this time I stayed at the hotel rather than the clinic and preferred it quite a bit. Very comfortable and calming, good food for very cheap prices and there's a lot of options for places to visit a quick walk away also. That said the clinic room was very convenient. Of course as with last time the clinic staff and my clinic supervisor were very accommodating. A few have mentioned forgetting to covert some Euros to Lira upon arrival to Istanbul, the clinic was happy to convert right there and for a good rate too, so don't worry about doing so at the airport. Another point, from a front view and in dimmer lighting the very tight buzz the clinic bring the hair down to reflected that the previous work looked very natural and had no visible density issues, although from a top view seen in the clinic photos there's a noticeable difference in density between the areas with natives and those previously implanted. Noticed the same in cases like Yas and acegik who both went for 2nd procedures at ASMED, although not a huge issue unless you're planning to constantly having people looking at the top of your scalp. The donor scarring from the first procedure was also clearly visible when the scalp was buzzed to a zero, not that this is a problem or unexpected as one shouldn't go in assuming FUE is scarless or that they could get away with a buzz that tight to begin with. Just a point to note. Hair was in significant need of a cut when going in for photos, so note it also didn't look its best by any means
  7. I would like to share my recent HT experience at Asmed as this forum played a deciding factor in helping me discover and choose Dr Erdogan, so believe it’s fair to try and give something back based on my own experiences. I’m 31 from the UK and have thought about getting a HT for around 6 years. My hairline started receding from my early 20’s and from around 28/29 I noticed my hair on top was very much starting to thin so knew the time to do something about it was approaching faster then I had anticipated. I actually had 3 consultations in the UK over the space of a couple of years in my late 20’s but when I turned 31 and realised my hair on top was deteriorating quiet rapidly, I realised it was time to do something about it and also be open to having surgery abroad. I contacted a few clinics in Turkey, Cyprus and Belgium and all gave me a very similar graft number quotation. I decided to go with Dr Erdogan at Asmed and though he was one of my most expensive options I just felt I had the best chance of achieving the best results at his clinic. So I booked up and arrived in Turkey the 27th of Feb, the day before my consultation. From the moment I arrived at Istanbul airport and was picked up by my driver the whole experience has been amazing and actually exceeded my expectations. I opted to stay at the clinic itself and it’s very modern, clean and you can tell no expense has been spared as it’s a fabulous building. I had my consultation with Dr Erdogan on the 28th of Feb and on closer inspection my hair needed a lot more work from what he had seen in the 12 photos I had sent. My original estimate of between 2,500-3,000 grafts (which all clinics quoted) turned into 4,000. To be fair once my hair was analysed I had a feeling my hair loss may appear worse then the actual 12 photos of it dry and wet. The Doctor drew a hairline for 4,000 grafts but actually said he would like to use 5,000 grafts to bring my hairline even lower and to add some side temples too. With both lines drawn on my head there was no comparison so I made a phone call back home and luckily arranged to have more money transferred as the cash I brought didn’t cover 5,000 grafts. It also meant having my original procedure start on Friday the 1st of March but I would need a second day on the Monday 4th to finish the procedure. They let met stay at the clinic for the extra days needed for free and my co-ordinator re-arranged my flight back home for me too. I have just arrived back from Turkey and I couldn’t be happier with how everything has worked out. Everyone who works at the clinic are amazing, caring and genuinely do care for your needs. The staff are so friendly and have made my experience much more enjoyable then what I thought it might be. I’m actually going to really miss all the staff, as I say they have all been incredible to me and my personal co-ordinator has been amazing and caring too. She is one of the nicest people I’ve ever met and always kept me updated and answered all questions I had even before I arrived in Turkey. I honestly don’t think I could have picked a better clinic to carry out my procedure and literally couldn’t pick a single fault in the 6 nights I ended up staying at Asmed. I will add some stats on my hair once I arrive home but my thickness is 55 microns and been taking Finasteride 1mg 5 weeks before procedure. Thanks for reading and I would be happy to answer any questions or give advice about choosing Asmed, but so far I’m so happy I decided to go with Asmed. The first 2 photos are straight after my first day of the procedure.
  8. Hello, I had a HT in Asmed in the end of October, I used this forum for gathering information and making my decision so I'll post my progress here. My stay in the clinic was very pleasant. There are already a number of very detailed posts here about the procedure at Asmed, mine wasn't too different so I won't go into detail about that. It's true that you only get to interact with Erdogan for about 20 minutes and the technicians are young women. Also, everyone at the clinic seemed very busy. I only care about results so I won't make judgements based on that, maybe they've managed to systemise the process enough so he doesn't need that much time to evaluate the patient. My details: Eastern european, 26 years old. My hairline started receding when I was 16 and at 21 my hair started thinning aggressively. Total donor capacity estimated by Erdogan was 8000 grafts. My HT involved 5033 grafts. Hair thickness: 56 microns; Hair/graft: 2.34 Single: 587 Double: 2380 Triple: 1834 Quadruple: 223 Quintpule : 8 Sextuple: 1 The bad news - some of the extracted grafts with 3 or more hairs already had 1-2 hairs which are dying. Day 1 after the transplant: Anesthetic was still leaking out of my donor area. I had the most insane swelling, my head turned into a balloon and I looked like a total freak show. Day 2-3: Swelling reduced significantly, by day 4 it was gone. Day 5: 80% of the scabs fell off. The rest fell off gradually over the next week. Day 10: I don't remember clearly, but I think it was around here when my donor area stopped being super sensitive. Week 2: The redness in the scalp was mostly gone Month 1: After I hit that mark my hair started shedding a lot Month 2: The hair in the transplated area is thin, however the hair in my donor area still feels very dense. One thing worth mentioning - even just a few days after the HT, there were absolutely no signs in my donor area that I've had HT. That was a pleasant surprise as I expected at least some visible scarring when my hair is super short. Medication: Oral minoxidil, Saw palmetto and Biotin. They gave me one year worth of finasteride. I started taking 1mg a day but from the second day I started feeling very uncomfortable testicular pain, which freaked me out so I stopped it after a week. I was rather hesitant to try this drug to start with, so it might have been a placebo effect, but even just stressing over the potential sides is not worth it for me. Without finasteride I'll most certainly lose a lot more hair on the crown in the next years. If this HT is successful I won't be too worried about that as I'm happy to keep my hair very short and I have very dense beard and body hair in case I run out of hair in the donor area. I will upload photos later.
  9. I am currently approaching 3 months after FUE with 4264 Grafts. I was not originally planning on making a post but decided I should as I have Fine hair (47 Mircrons) and was concerned going in that my donor hair would't be acceptable and did not see many fine hair cases and this board was instrumental in me deciding on Dr. Koray. I will not get into the details of travel and hospitality except to say everything you read about the level of service is absolutely correct. Everyone from the drivers to nurses are very kind and attentive. I was flying from the US so wanted to make sure I had the money required with me. I was going to exchange USD to Euro but was told the exchange rate would be good and they accept USD. Anyone traveling from USA should bring USD and pay in USD. The exchange rate they used was simply googling the current exchange rate and rounding down. There was no commission charged. If I had converted at my bank in USA they would have charged close to 5%. I was originally quoted 5000 grafts but after my consultation, Dr Koray recommended 4200 with 4000 in the front and 200 in the back. He originally thought I would get about 1.8 hairs per graft average. In the end, I received 4262 grafts and they used 400 in the back instead of 200 as my average hair per graft ended up being 2.04. (I was only charged for 4200) I will attach some pictured of various stages including more pictures as hair hopefully comes in. If anyone has any specific questions related to travel from USA let me know and appreciate any comments on my progress. As I stated above the quality of care is extremely high even more so than even USA standards. The only complaint I had would be the communication post opp was not great. I think one issue I had was my coordinator, Buqet (I thought Buqet was amazing) left to return to school almost immediately after I had my procedure so I was dealing with someone else who was taking over for her. I was very concerned with the scabs and getting them off and there were several days where I didn't receive communications when I could have used advise so If someone from Asmed is reading this post I would recommend having someone who is solely responsible for post opp care and questions.
  10. Hello guys. Can see on this forum more people take a part. HLT forum has lately died. Have checked many threads in here and noticed that many of you who had been doing ht in Asmed got the same issue like me after 1st procedure. Had a touch up cos my gaps and lack of density behind the hairline was killing me. This is the link to my first hair transplanthttps://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...key-dr-koray-erdogan-3073grafts.112181/page-3Wasn't happy at all. Had no density and loads of gaps between some area(you can see properly now on the photo below). Have decided to give another try to Dr. Koray. Seen many bad results lately, but he used to be the top one. Still believe he can do a very good hair transplant like before 2017( on which I based my opinion about chosing the clinic). I am aware its a bit risky to do it but wanted to trust him again. Hopefully this time more grafts gonna survive and I haven't made a wrong decision... gain everything(nice looking front and almost whole nw3 covered with grafts or lose almost everything, many grafts used and still not being pleased). Let's see and the answer we will get within 6-9 months (seen already 2 guys in here which had touch up in the same clinic(asmed) and is looking great. )
  11. Dear Forum members, ASMED CLINIC starts with Work - The 1st of JUNE 2020 The Asmed Clinic and Dr Koray Erdogan Created a SPECIAL OFFER for all the patients/forum members. SPECIAL OFFER AND DETAILS Duration: 1st of June 2020 – 31st of August 2020 (Only For the Booking Reservations and Hair Transplant Procedures during the indicated period above) *Dr Koray Erdogan and his Surgical team* - 1,5 Euros per graft *Asmed Team* - 1 Euro per graft The Special Offer Includes Following: *SURGICAL PACK:* KEEP, customized sapphire blades, ATP and Hypothermosol graft solution, antibiotics, medical ice, "low level” laser therapy, hat, shampoo and postoperative lotion. *The "surgical package" is included in the cost of surgery. *SERVICE PACK:* *Our service package includes all the necessary transportation (airport-clinic-hotel) via ASMED minibus, an assistant/personal translator for the entire duration of the surgery.* ACCOMMODATION DETAILS *Asmed Suites – 50 Euros* per night. *2 or 3 nights accommodation in the Asmed Suite (Single Room). *Meals are provided from the Asmed Restaurant according to the pricing list in the Restaurant Menu. *Radisson Blu Hotel Istanbul Asia (5 Star Hotel) - "Bed & Breakfast" (on your expenses according to the special rates for Asmed Guests). After the assessment done by Dr Erdogan, all the details will be indicated in the Evaluation Report! You can always reach us on the email addresses and the telephone number indicated below. We wish you Healthy and Happy Days! Best Regards, Suzana Kubinek Patient Coordinator, ASMED Languages : English / Bosanski / Hrvatski / Srpski / Türkçe Mobile: +90 549 624 68 28 (whatsapp) Email: suzana@asmed.com.tr Website: www.asmed.com.tr
  12. I’d think twice about getting a 2nd hair transplant at asmed if they couldn’t even get the right density for 5000 GRAFTS, I mean get that into your head 5000. ignore the guys that say “yeah it looks great 😁” just being honest here like the few others, you didn’t get what you spent above the odds in Turkey for and you are CLEARLY aware of it and so is Asmed hence the offer for a revise. this guy had the exact same issue as yourself and was recommended a 2nd op by asmed and it still turned out whack, watch his videos. In Turkey Cinik is well known but his donor work isn’t the best in my opinion, id maybe recommend something like Hair of Istanbul (check their insta for their work) it’s not a clinic which comes up in the forums but I’ve seen the work and seen individual reviews and believe it’s worth checking out. Of course there is also a clinic in turkey which only uses Drs to operate on you as well and they cost around the same as Asmed (despite asmed using technicians to do most of your work).
  13. Hello, Now it's finally my turn to give back to this community by sharing my story, experience and progress of my hair transplant surgery which I did with Dr. Koray Erdogan at ASMED Clinic in Istanbul 9-10th Jan 2020. Background I'm a 29 year old guy from Sweden and I started experiencing hair loss when I was around 22. I started to lose hair very slowly, it was barely noticeable but as baldness is in my family I kind of knew it would eventually turn into NW 5/6 and wanted to do something about it early. So I booked a consultation with New Hair Clinic which was the top clinic in Sweden at the time, but they suggested me to wait a few years before undergoing surgery. I didn't really feel my situation was that critical so I followed their advice and didn't do anything about it, but I did however get useful knowledge about hair loss and about finasteride, minoxidil and the lasercap even if I didn't start using any medications immediately. I was a bit skeptical to finasteride due to potential side effects but started using minoxidil 5% at age 24 and after a few months I could already see both regrowth and thicker hair, it felt really nice and all my anxiety about hair loss dropped, situation was handled. I've read about people that tried minoxidil and didn't see any results (or at least not quick enough) so they became skeptical and eventually stopped it. Well it's true that some don't see as much improvements as others, but for me it really worked and I got great results. I learnt (the hard way, I'll come to that) that the important thing is to be very patient and consistent with it, in the beginning I was using it mornings and evenings every day and held on to it during the shedding phase and that was probably key for me. Unfortunately at age 26 I got a bit overconfident about my hair and got sloppier with the daily minoxidil routine. Mainly it was due to that I had summer vacation and I was travelling a lot so I started skipping days, but then I had also got used to my hair being so full for such a long time and somehow thought that I might have stabilized it and didn't need minoxidil anymore. Which was false obviously... Within a month or so I immediately started seeing my hair fall off again and this time it was getting even thinner and on the crown too. At this time I began researching about hair transplant clinics again and did an online and phone consultation with Dr. Saifi at European Hair Transplant in Poland who I had read some good posts about in a Swedish forum. He quoted me 2200 grafts for the frontal and part of the mid-section area. He had a waiting list of 6 months, but I ended up not booking as I still didn't feel ready and hadn't got the push to actually do it. I started with minoxidil again and was able to recover a lot of hair. This time I applied it only in the evenings as it was messier to apply it in the mornings and I wanted to style my hair without it. I did however apply almost double the dose (maximum daily dose) when applied in the evening. I didn't know if it would still be helpful but I thought to try it out and it actually helped keeping it stable so I continued like that for another 2 years. Then last year at age 28 I underwent a tough period that got me to seriously consider a hair transplant. I stopped using minoxidil as I didn't prioritize it due to personal circumstances and a lot of change happening in my life (including new job & country). I was well aware that I would probably lose hair again but I accepted it and thought that if it would get really bad I'd just shave bald. It took a month or so and I panicked when I saw the hair loss and realized I actually didn't want to lose my hair, note sure what I was thinking before. So I started with minoxidil again and the shedding phase this time was horrible. My hair never fully recovered again to how it was before the shedding and that's what pushed me into actually going for a hair transplant. After having done research online and reading a lot on this forum and seeing good results I decided to contact Dr. Koray Erdogan for a consultation where he quoted me 5000 grafts for the front, mid and crown areas + recommended finasteride to stop further hair loss. I didn't take finasteride but continued with minoxidil (until 2.5 weeks prior to the surgery), and then it took me a year of consideration until I eventually booked the surgery with ASMED now in Jan 2020. The consultation I had my dad with me who is a NW6 and the first thing Dr. Koray did was to go and inspect his hair to see where I'm headed. The bad news was that my dad's hair had become thinner also on the sides and back, and he said that if I would to follow the same pattern then my donor area would not be as strong as it might seem right now. Although I was not happy to hear that I was glad that he noticed this as I will now be careful to not over-harvest my donor in case of future surgeries. He then also inspected my hair and did a calculation of my donor capacity which was estimated to 8300 grafts. He said that I had to start with finasteride as I didn't have enough donor capacity to cover my full head if I were to loose all existing hair in the future (estimated to 8700 grafts). Was not very happy to hear this either, as I had already during the online consultation expressed that I preferred not to take finasteride but that I was fine with continuing with minoxidil as I had seen good results from it. They had then said that they respected this, so I ended up having a small argument with the doctor as he tried convincing me to take it, and that if I didn't he would rather not want to do the crown area right now but use the 5000 grafts on the front and mid-section and then do the crown next time. I didn't like this option as I wanted to prioritize the front and crown as I already have some hair in the mid-section which I hope to keep for a couple of years with the use of minoxidil, and instead consider a second surgery in the future if I would need it. Anyway, as the doctor convinced me that the risk of side effects is very little and that taking it would help against shock loss and improve growth during the first year, I decided to try it out and he supplied me with Proscar for 4-5 months (1.25 mg daily). He drew a hair line which was a bit more conservative than what I had aimed for, but given that I had limited donor capacity and after seeing the pre-consultation photos that were taken by the clinic I realized that my hair loss was much worse than I had perceived it and accepted his suggestion. The pre-surgery care, clinic & surgery days As many other members have already described these parts I will not go into much detail. But what I can say is that everything from the contact with my patient coordinator Andreea, to the pickup from the airport, to the greeting at the clinic and the surgery itself was very professional. I stayed at the clinic for 5 nights and the service was exceptional. All of the staff were very nice and the food was great. Before going I was hesitant whether I should stay at the clinic or book a room at Radisson Blu hotel, but now afterwards I don't regret it at all. It was very comfortable not having to leave the facility, having breakfast, lunch and dinner just outside your room and get to meet other patients that were also staying there in the spare time. They had live music in the evenings, big screen TV, pool table and the basement had a high quality gym and basketball area. What I also appreciated was that for patients staying over the weekend, ASMED arrange a free city tour of Istanbul with a private guide where we got to visit the famous bazaar, the blue mosque and the city center. Hair situation and medication - Androgenic alopecia: NW5/6 - Finasteride: Proscar (1.25 mg) started with the procedure. - 5% minoxidil (topical): Been using it daily for 5 years (Stopped it 2.5 weeks before the surgery but will start using Minoxidil foam in a few weeks) - Daily hair-loss shampoo: Nisim NewHair Biofactors Shampoo (Normal to dry) Graft distribution - Total donor capacity: 8300 - Total transplanted grafts: 5078 - Hair thickness: 61 microns - Ratio: 2.03 hair/graft - Single: 1190 - Double: 2658 - Triple: 1103 - Quadruple: 125 - Quintuple: 2 I think I've covered most of it now and will keep uploading photos of the progress here. Feel free to ask me anything if you have any questions. /KM90
  14. Thanks for opinion, but I don´t think so. This would mean a high increase of "X-factor patients" in Asmed in recent times. My wrong shaped, unnatural hairline is also caused because of I am "X-factor patient"? I underwent consultations at several clinic, where I was told that my poor result was caused by a bad hair transplant. At two clinics, I was told that I could not have 3700 transplanted grafts in frontal area, but less. I don´t know if I was cheated with number of grafts, or many grafts did not survive. But my grafts are very evenly distributed without any empty spaces. Therefor I think that it can´t be the second option. At one clinic, when they saw me before consultation after HT at Asmed, they tought that I am suffering from Alopecia diffusa. I don't know if this is a good certificate for one of the best doctors. Dr. Erdogan maybe was one of the best. But in the past. Therefor I choosed him. Also is not very ethical that when I was in Istanbul and wanted to come to him in person, he told me through his assistant that he did not have time because he was busy moving the clinic... After reading more stories of other Asmed´s patients and seeing their pictures on this forum (and other forums), I don´t consider Dr. Erdogan one of the best...
  15. Hi guys, here is a little bit of my journey with Dr. Erdogan on 28th-29th January: Two weeks before my HT I had a surgery on my shoulder and for this reason a friend of mine, who is a German surgeon-doctor (ears, nose and throat), flew with me to Istanbul to help me. We arrived in Istanbul at 11:30 and the driver was already there waiting for us. He was very friendly but he couldn't speak English. He put me on the phone with Seda, Dr. Erdogan's assistant, who told me what we were about to do. He drove us for approximately 90 min. to the clinic in a very comfortable van for my consultation with Dr. Erdogan. The new clinic is quite impressive. We were welcomed by one of the receptionists who spoke fluent English and instructed us to step on a machine in order to seal our shoes for hygienic reasons before coming in. She informed us we had to wait about 60 min. since Dr. Erdogan was still in surgery. Meanwhile my preop pictures were taken. The foto room is one level below on the same level as the cafeteria and the “ hair salon” where we shave our heads before surgery and do the washing the day after. Being back to the waiting area they offered us some tea and coffee. We have waited for a few minutes until Dr. Erdogan arrived. He warm welcomed us and I asked him to show me the whole clinic which he happily agreed to do. During our "tour", he showed me the two very comfortable suites, where patients can stay during the procedures (where me and my friend stayed over the 2 nights we were in Istanbul for my procedure), the meeting room where Dr. Erdogan discusses everyday the cases with his team, the entertainment room and finally the surgery floor with 4 surgery rooms, 2 floors below the reception. I was very impressed with the whole clinic, but I must say the surgery rooms impressed me the most. Not only me but also my friend, who runs his own clinic in Germany. The whole area is state of the art concerning air conditioning with HEPA filters, equipment to check the humidity in each surgery room, sterilisation equipment and hygiene procedures. In order to preserve the grafts better Dr. Erdogan developed a cooling table, which realy impressed my friend. He was also very impressed with the quality of the equipments and the monitoring equipment. Each surgery room has a camera, which allows Dr. Erdogan to follow each surgery from his office and/or from every of the theaters. After the tour I went to his office to calculate the area to be covered, donor area, number or grafts and to discuss and design my hairline, which took about 1:30 hour. I didn't have anything in mind and I was very happy with the hairline suggested by Dr. Erdogan. He explained to me every detail and reason for the suggested hairline. After a good night sleep I was ready for my surgery beginning at 8 o'clock. First day (January 28th): 7:30 - Breakfast at the clinic. 8:00 - I shaved my head. 8:15 - Dr. Erdogan and his team designed my hairline, then electrocardiogram and blood sugar check. 9:45 - We started the procedure with local anesthesia (Delek applied 9cc in total), which was a bit uncomfortable in the beginning. Right after that Delek starts the extractions (2002 grafts). I was really surprised how fast and confident she is. During the extractions I had Mustafa helping Delek holding my head during the whole procedure. Another two technicians were responsible for preparing and counting the grafts. 12:30 - Lunch break. I ate a delicious Turkish meal. 13:00 - Incisions: Delek applied 11cc in total in the recipient area, which was also uncomfortable in the beginning. After that Dr. Erdogan prepared the recipient area doing all the incisions by himself. 14:05 - Implantation: I had no pain, but in my experience it was the most uncomfortable part of the day. 17:30 - Finally we were done, after Dr. Erdogan made a final check. I got then a bandage on my donor area. I received a cool pack for my eyes, a neck pillow to prevent damages on my recipient area and pain medication. I was feeling very well, had dinner in the clinic and took one pain pill before going to sleep. I slept the whole night. On the first day I had the chance to meet some of the patients who were going through their procedures. They were two Italian guys who were on their second day. I also met a Swiss guy who was there for a control consultation. This guy was having his third procedure with Dr. Erdogan. Second day (January 29th) - For me the second day was even easier than the first day. Maybe because I knew what to expect. Dr. Erdogan told me it varies from patient to patient. 7:30 - Breakfast at the clinic. 8:00 - Hair saloon to shave my hair again and washing my head. 9:00 - Same procedure as on the first day. Anesthesia (12cc in total) and extractions done by Delek (2000 grafts). 11:15 - Anesthesia (10cc in total) on my recipient area (applied by Mustafa) and Dr. Erdogan came to make all the incisions by himself. 12:45 - Lunch break to eat another delicious Turkish meal! 13:15 - PRP and Implantation made by Delek and Mustafa. 17:30 - End of the day. Dr. Erdogan made a final check. I got then a bandage on my donor area. I received pain medication and antibiotics. I was feeling very well, had dinner again in the clinic and took one pain pill before going to sleep. I slept the whole night. On the second day I had the chance to meet other patients who were going through their procedures. One Swedish guy in one Albanian guy. I also met a Turkish patient who is also a member of this forum, Spar. He's a very friendly guy and he was having his procedure on the next two days. Third and final day (January 30th): 8:30 - First washing. Dr. Erdogan was very happy with the surgery. 9:00 - Breakfast at the clinic. 10:00 - I met the new members of the team, specially those who will be responsible for the English speaker patients. Dr. Erdogan has an impressive structure. The members of his team are divided by language expertise. They are usually native speakers to make the whole process easier. 13:00 - I had lunch with Dr. Erdogan. We talked a lot about this forum. He told me some of his plans for the future and I must say I was really impressed! I will let you know on the right time! 15:00 - The same driver (the clinic has two) drove us to the airport. We've reached the airport about 16:45. Our flight was at 19:45 so we had time for shopping and having a coffee at the airport. For the records: During the whole two days procedure I had a translator with me. On the first day was a French translator (very cute girl!) and on the second day an Italian translator (very friendly guy). They are there mostly to entertain you during the procedure, change the dvds we watch during the procedure and for sure, help you with the language, if necessary, since Dr. Erdogan and Delek speak very good English (Dr. Erdogan speaks fluently and better than Delek) and to check if you are okay or if you have any pain. Once they notice you are in discomfort, they ask the team to stop and apply more anesthesia. I knew Dr. Erdogan already but seeing him working on these two days impressed me a lot. He has a lot to do but he still finds time to be friendly and attentive with all his patients. He is extremely perfectionist which is important in this kind of work. I must say I had an incredible experience at the clinic. Since the beginning I felt like home. It was too long 2 days but easy to handle. Summary of my two days procedure: Total procedure time: Approximately 15h and 15min. Total number of grafts: 4002 grafts. Single: 368 Double: 1.213 Triple: 1.541 Multiple: 880 Average hair per grafts: 2.76 Total anesthesia in the donor area: 21cc. Total anesthesia in the recipient area: 21cc. Once again I would like to thank this forum to clarify many of my questions and for helping me to find Dr. Erdogan! So guys feel free to ask me any questions. It will be great to have you onboard! I will keep you updated!
  16. G'day lads, thought i would give back to the community that taught me a lot and pushed me to a final decision to go ahead and get a hair transplant. I have loosely wrote up something, it is pretty long but should be a good read for you. I am going to share what i have learnt and my thoughts towards hairloss and of course a review of my experience at ASMED and in doing that hopefully help you guys as there is so so much information out there regarding hair transplants and it can become bit overwhelming who to believe because at the end of the day you are going to base your decision on people you have never met's advice and opinions on certain doctors and clinics and you have to decide who is being real and who is not and lucky for you this forum is as real as it gets as you can't be trusting clinics that have 1000s of 5 star 1 comment reviews when they are not all real reviews unlike what is being posted on here. So a little backstory to me, i am only 21 so i may be one of the youngest people i have seen on these forums who has gone and got this procedure done and for the record i do not want any negativity from people telling me i am was wrong getting it done so early. The bare truth is i either lived the next few years of my life creeping to a worse and worse state of mind and forever looking forward to a day where i can forget about my hairloss or as i did simply act on it in its early stages and beat the wrath of emotions and insecurities that came with losing my hair even more than what i had. So, i think i started losing my hair around 18 and it wasn't until i was about 19 i had accepted i was losing my hair as the whole year prior i was in complete denial as 50-100 hairs were coming out of my head everyday in the shower and i simply could not accept i was going bald at such a young age. As you do you start researching and you come across the big 3 (minoxidil, finasteride, nizoral) and i began with minoxidil and had some pretty darn good results from it going from very thin recided hair to 5 months later thickening up my hair quite significantly. Next, i implemented fin and noticed a hault to my hairloss at about the 3 month mark of using it and this lasted me about a year until it seems my hair loss got even more aggressive and my crown has begun to thin which i am now working on a solution for. One might be i was using generic propecia and now using the real stuff (prosper) which was given to me in a years supply free of charge by ASMED which will hopefully be the trick in halting my hairloss again. And for nizoral or any shampoo similar to it i was not using until a month or two ago as i had long hair tied up so it was hard to keep it clean and i later found out once i got my head shaved for the transplant i had some pretty bad dermatitis so that may also of been contributing to the hairloss but i am now taking good care of my scalp and keeping it healthy. With all the positives from using minox and fin i unfortunately started using them to late into my hairloss journey and my hairline had recided to a point where i was not at all happy with. I spent every living day outside my house with a hat on since i finnished school and being an outgoing active person it was seriously restricting myself from being myself. Luckily in doing this (always wearing a hat) no-one knew about my reciding hairline though they had their suspicions but never saw it so getting this procedure done before that day came was essential and i managed to pull it off. After 2 years of hat wearing and feeling insecure i started looking into hair transplants and was originally skeptical going to turkey to get it done and instead wanted to find somewhere here in Australia but as many countries like the UK and USA htp's are over priced but here in aus the quality is also not as good as the rest of the world so over time i slowly started getting more comfortable with the idea of going to istanbul to get it done. That was when i came across this forum and saw many good reviews of people going to istanbul and getting it done and the service provided by these clinics with airport pickup and drop off aswell as accommodation all included in the final price which i liked the idea of. Next was to find a clinic / dr i felt comfortable going with as being the kind of person i am and being friends with the kind of people i am friends with, there was no room for error in getting a below par transplant so i after lots of research i went with ASMED. Why ASMED? Dr Erodgen has many many years of experience and up until a year or two ago had a impeccable successful record with not a single bad review in site until about a year ago where some people have been talking down the clinics new move into a bigger and better facility and there thoughts that now he focuses on quantity over quality and they feel there results are a response of this and don't worry i will come back to this. Anyway, after compiling my list of ;clinics to pick asmed came out on top. I thought that the doctor, staff and website were all very professional looking and that with an array of good reviews (minus a few poor ones) made me feel safe going with this clinic. NOTE: for the record i personally believe hair transplants at the end of the day are the flip of a coin. not in the sense its a 50/50 chance you with get a good result but rather even if both the clinic and patient do everything right even then there are still things that can go wrong it seems so you never have a 100% chance at success with this procedure so always keep that in mind. I will run you through the process at ASMED and my experiences with the process. The Before: You apply online with photos and you will be assigned a co ordinator who speaks your language and is someone who you can ask questions and they will do the initial analysis of you getting basic information from you such as age, amount of hairloss, are you using fin? etc etc. If you tick the right box's she will then pass your photos and conversation onto Dr Erodgen himself who will review your situation and let you know whether you are suitable or not. For me this is a big tick as it shows he does not need the business and would rather instead make sure he can make a real difference in doing what he does best and give you the hair transplant that will accommodate for you now and also consider your future hairloss and what comes with that instead of what happened to me in 5ish consolations beforehand where i felt like they were selling me a product trying to rush me into a htp and trying to give me the cheapest price. Pricing is also something worth noting at ASMED as he is not cheap like the rest of Istanbul infact he is one of the most expensive dr's in all of Turkey but in comparison still cheap charging 2.5 euro per graft opposed to USA where the average is around 5 Euro per graft. And also for me my co ordinator was Suzana big shout out to her as she was wonderful always letting me know what the next step was and always comforting me and even though i knew this was her job i quickly forgot that once i got to the clinic and we started to just get along well and it really does make you feel a lot more relaxed knowing you have someone you can speak to through every step of pre, during & post the procedure. The During: So once a date is conformed and your funds are sorted you are next to make a 1000 euro deposit and to begin booking your flights, i originally didn't think much of flying to Istanbul but living in Australia flying to Istanbul is the other side of the world where including the 5 hour stopover in Bangkok it took me 24 hours to get to Istanbul and i will be honest i was very doubtful of myself the entire trip there as here i am at 21 year old not travelling alone before flying all the way to Istanbul to get this procedure done. However, once arriving at ASMED my doubts quickly disappeared. once arriving at the airport with a total of 1.5 hours sleep i was picked up by the ASMED driver and taken to the facility which was very modern and nice and is just under a year old and is apparently same design just an upgrade from there old facility. Also I'm not sure if it is a turkish thing and women are just good looking there but the staff at ASMED were all damn fine and always had a smile on there face. When you arrive you are taken to your room (thats if you are staying in the ASMED rooms) which was nice, no complaints there. Next your coordinator will come up and meet you in the eating area where patients who were being operated on that day were sitting in their ASMED uniforms all with shaved heads and drawn on hairlines which was bit strange when i first saw it but got use to it pretty quickly. Next, your coordinator will run you through the day and ask some more questions and get you to fill out some medical forms. Next, bloodwork is checked along with some other things. Next, you are sent to a waiting room where all patients that are being operated on the next day with you wait to see the dr himself for a final consultation before the money is handed over. It began with 3 patients but ended up with a total of 6 people waiting to see the dr which was abit alarming as 3 i was happy with and i believed they could manage 3 patients being operated on at once but 6 seemed like to much and i was bit worried. However, i am going to say now the team is very professional and they would not operate on 6 if they could not handle it and for those that don't understand how it is possible Dr Erodgen has employed surgeon who do the the taking out of the grafts and organising them aswell as the placement of grafts the DR himself simply does the most important part where the most error's occur this being the slits and incisions for where the grafts will be placed so if you view it like this he does only 1 step (the main one) of 3 steps so he truely can operate on 6 patients on 1 day so don't let that alarm you. Initial consultation: After waiting for what was quite awhile for the dr to Finnish surgery patients for today i was called upto his room where we shook hands had a small talk about where i was from and if i plan to taken fin long term etc etc then he stared assessing my donor area and grafts in general. I am going to just quickly say i was sure i was going to have a weak donor area. my hair doesn't go far down my neck nor does it go close to my ears and overall my head is small so that all adds up to a very limited amount of sq cm's for potential safe zone donor area to be used and i was almost certain he was going to asses it and tell me i have very limited options and i could barely accommodate for 1 single procedure and i had almost accepted this only to be told i had a donor area of around 8000 grafts which blew me away, by no means is this a crazy amount but it is average amount which i was very happy with meaning i have 5000ish grafts for future hairloss which is such a comforting feeling. So, for blokes who are worried about their donor zone not being suitable rest easy because you will be fine as the hair compacted in that area is just very dense. For how the dr. can just look at my donor and estimate its capacity without equipment was bit confusing but he is an expert so i trusted him and so have 1000s of patients before me. He next told me my hair density and hair thickness saying that my hair is quite thin so we would need about 48(i think) hairs per square cm and couple other things also telling me i had a pretty bad case of dermatitis (dandruff) which would need to be treated before tomorrow. He next asked what i wanted and i said my hairline lowered so he got a marker and started drawing a rough hairline and there were i think 2 other dr.s / surgeons that i think gave second opinions on his work and helped with the drawing of the hairline. I sat in a chair and he would draw some, step back look at my face, draw some more until he asked me to look in the mirror and ask what i thought. He said we can do it more aggressive if you would like and i said yes so he drew it again and i was happy with it. It then seemed like my consultation was over and i understand they are on a tight schedule but it all moved pretty fast and i almost forgot to tell him i wanted my temple points done so he drew those up aswell and told me it will be 300 grafts for each temple point and 3000 for the hairline coming to a total of 3600 grafts. I then shook his hand again and we then went to the finance room to pay. I'm going to be straight up and mine costed 3600 x 2.5euro (per graft) came to a total of 9000euro - 500ish euro for flight reimbursement cost so about 8500 euro total which was paid in full cash and they have a CASH only payment, quick note on that it is not as scary as it seems just have all the cash on you in a pouch around your waist for the flight there and you will be fine and also you can bring 10, 000euro into the country without question so it is not a problem. After payment you are taken to the barber place where you head is shaved by the nice turkish women as suspected my dermatitis was pretty bad and treated there with some stuff which got rid of it over night. Next you are taken to the photo room where your photos are taken of all angles and then taken to a high tech machine that slowly asses each square cm of hair on your head and measures its density and all of the single, double, multi grafts and it is here you can't truely see how dense your donor area is as it is all conveyed on a screen infront of you. Next you are taken to the next room where your rough drawn on hairline is finalised and this was interesting. You are sat in a chair with no joke about 10 ASMED staff in the room also being surgeon dr.s etc and also dr Erodgen and he begins drawing and the other dr.s are giving their opinions on what he is doing and it is like watching a master painter in his element. dr Erodgen is in the zone and draws and edits and asses some things and is all done with free hand no machines to draw a symmetrical hairline that everyone in the room agrees on for you to then view it in the mirror while they all look at you and await your response. I was happy with mine but if i wasn't i would of been bit nervous to go in there and tell them to do it again hahaha i don't know this part was abit strange but done very professionally. Again another hand shake with the Dr and all his staff gave me a smile as i left the room and the next patient went in there after me. I believe that was all for the first initial day and the rest of the day consisted of going up to the food area eat some dinner while talking to the patients that got operated on the day with their bandaged heads and catching up on some much needed sleep. For the other patients at the clinic its a strange thing having people from all over the world in my case people from Switzerland, Norway, New Zealand, Spain and me from Australia but its strange because you all have something in common and this is a common insecurity one this is big enough to make you come to this clinic from all over the world and get it done so that gives you all something to talk about and makes the experience a lot more comfortable as i ended up speaking with a lot of the boys there those 2 days about all my personal stuff on hairloss that i honestly haven't told anyone before so that was actually a good part just speaking with the other blokes during my stay. Surgery Day: early start with breakfast at 6am and surgery at 7;00 sharp, i was told to take antibiotics and a zanex that was given to me when i woke up. I was surprisingly not that nervous as after the first day i knew i was in good hands and i didn't let any nerves get the better of me and i walked into the surgery room with a smile and met all my surgeos that would be doing the procedure on me aswell as your coordinator right by your side running everything by you before it happens. I was given an iPad and told to sit in a chair with my chin sitting in the holder thing to sit my head in a fixed position so they could extract the grafts from the back of my head. First the local anestheisa injections which are very over rated, the pain was certainly bearable about a 6 or 7 out of 10 as far as pain goes and they did a total of like 10-15 injections all over the back of my head. After this is done they then get what felt like a pin and started poking the back off my head asking if i felt it and simply if i did they would inject more until i didn't, so it began... i put on a Joe rogan podcast and tried to forget there are sharp objects being pushed through the back of my head and i tried to not look into the reflection of the iPad as a couple times i saw a little to much blood that began making me feel uncomfortable but all in all this first step of 3 was fine and my only concern was the position you are put in with your neck down is extremely uncomfortable and i remember after about 20 minutes i was like sheit i don't know how much longer i can do this so i started counting down minute by minute in some pretty unbearable pain to only find out i wasn't even halfway through the extraction procedure, But as you do you man up and push through it and eventually it is done. Next you are bandaged up at the back of your head and given a 5minute lunch break were me and the other patient both talked about how much our necks hurt after that first part haha but so far so good for me atleast. Next you are taken back to your operating room for the long session where dr Erdogen himself does the incisions and slits for the rest of the surgeon to place the grafts into.This is obviously important as this is where the hairline is designed it shape, desity etc. Now for this part, man i got knocked the fuck out and i don't remember a single thing only faintly remembering seeing Dr Erodgens face for a brief second before i closed my eyes. it begins and they sedate you with something (morphine maybe, i might be wrong on that and they do tell you before they do it) and very quickly you feel like your having abit to much fun and then as i said i got sent straight through space and woke up who knows how many hours later to a real painful rubbing sensation on the front of my head. I was super startled as i forgot where i was and what was happening and i was in some pretty serious pain as the front area that was operated on was being washed and the surges were rubbing it was pretty unbearable. In my head for some reason i thought something had gone wrong and i woke up from a coma or something and i was pretty stressed. But quickly i calmed down and started grasping was was going on and relaxed again and took my headphones out and asked my corridnator what was going on and she said they are almost finished they have 100 grafts left and then its over and i was like holy shit i slept through the entire procedure, epic. The last 15 mins was yeah pretty painful and i asked for more injections to numb the pain but they said its not recommended as they would be finished soon so i just pushed through the pain and dealt with it until it was done. And that was that, all over. A serious blur but i would of way prefered that over being awake the entire procedure as i later found out other patients were. i then slowly got up and was taken to a sitting room of some sort. It was at this time i started feeling really cold and started shivering so i was given a blanket and after about 10 minutes i was back to normal-ish and actually felt pretty good considering what i just went through, later other patients came into the room some looking bit worse off than me as one was sweating pretty bad and looking pretty light headed. Next Dr. Erodgen came in and assessed the final work off all the implanted grafts by the surgeons and gave the thumbs up and this was the last time we saw him. Now we were put under a laser machine to help with the recover process and taken back to the photo room for a photo of all angles of our now pretty disgusting head. And i think that was it, we were told the rules of sleep with a neck pillow and some other stuff on medication we will need to take for the next few days and all went up had dinner and i went to bed and actually had a good night sleep before my first wash tomorrow morning and flight home tomorrow arvo. After: i think it was a 7:30am post op wash back in the barber room. Here you are shown how you are going to wash your hair for the next 10ish days and they do it for you here and you are given all the products needed with labels on them aswel as a usb stick with all photos of before and after aswell as other details from your stay. A barber actually came in and cut some of the boys hairs who did a partial shave and fixed it up to hide the transplanted area. And that was it i said goodbye to the ASMED staff and thanked them and also hugged my co ordinator and said goodbye and i went to my room to wait a couple hours for my pickup to the airport. Can honestly say i was kinda sad to leave which makes no sense as this procedure should be somewhat a traumatic experience and something you just want to get it over and done with but i don't know i didn't feel that way at all, rather i couldn't believe it was over and how smooth sailing the entire thing was. I next started looking in the mirror and tried to figure out how the fek i was going to cover this up on my way home and we were given a bucket hat to wear which i put on. I then went to the airport bit stressed about having to take the hat off even though i don't know anyone and would never see them again. Also it was pretty funny how many people at the airport had just undergone a hair transplant and were on their way home. Unfortaunly for them they were not wearing hats and i counted a total of 13 people from entering to leaving the airport who had undergone a FUE procedure. Now for my little hiccup that almost everyone seems to get atleast once, mine was when i was wearing this hat. I placed it loosely on my head and throughout the day it got tighter and tighter and since i just had surgery the day before the grafts were leaking and causing the hat to stick to my recipient area and i had this hat on for about 5 hours until i sat down on the plane (note ASMED advised me to take the hate off every 45 mins i believe to allow my head to breathe, but i couldn't pull myself to do it) and couldn't put my headphones in so i tried to lift the hat and i felt all the grafts sticking to it and holding it down. My face instantly went red and i started stressing and i was like what the fuck is wrong with me i have just blown a 9000euro procedure cause i was to scared for random people i have never met to see my head. I was sure when i was to take the hat off i would see hundreds of grafts attached to the hat and this was at the start of my 10 hour flight... i then sat in my chair over thinking this and stressing out until i finally got the balls to go to the aeroplane bathroom and slowly shift the hat from side to side to take it off. annnnndd, thank the lord no damage was done with all grafts intact and everything still looking the same. From here on out i wore it so so loosely on my head sitting on on my back of my head and barly on the front and made sure to take it off every 45 mins for a breather as this would further not give grafts the chance to stick to that hat even if that was possible which i later thought it probably was not... why? well these hairs are planted pretty deeply and firmly into your head and loose hat shouldn't be able to pull them out. However, keep this in mind that you will need to take it off from time to time and how i did this was if it was dark on the plane or at the airport i would go to a gate where no-one was and take it off for bit. Now, my ride home was a very eventful 26 hours, my swelling started once i got to the airport initially just in my forehead, and by the time i got to the stopover i had gone down my face into my eyebrows and unevenly spread across my lower forehead and i remember when i looked in the mirror for the first time on the plane i literally started laughing at my own face as i couldn't believe how fucked i looked. I was one of the unlucky few who got bad swelling and i can't stress enough how ugly it can make you look. I remember saying i should take a photo so people can know what your talking about but i didn't ever want to see this face again nor post it somewhere for people to see so here are some links so you get an idea what you can look like, i seriously looked like some sort of star wars alien and this further made me not want to take my hat off so i was caught in this problem off worrying I'm damaging grafts and taking it off only to have hundreds of people look at me. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=elephant+mans+head&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnxuTL4pXjAhVW63MBHY4kAwsQ_AUIECgB&biw=1285&bih=649#imgrc=Oy7S58xqNEIQ4M: https://www.google.com.au/search?biw=1285&bih=649&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=xA8bXZvKEKHYz7sPvN-okAI&q=star+wars+alien+head&oq=star+wars+alien+head&gs_l=img.3..0i8i30l2.111302.113523..114813...0.0..0.79.336.5......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0.yUT6wRjFIYU#imgrc=Nop23vXwpYsRLM: Progressively the swelling got worse and peaked by the time i got to Bangkok customs (i am staying in bangkok for 3 months studying before i go back home) here i stood infront of a camera sunnies and hat off feeling like the first alien to ever try get into Thailand and the customs people had some questions for me like, why am i coming into Thailand where is my proof of study etc but after some time i made it in and finally got to my room and relaxed. i quickly took my meds did my post op wash for the day and finally let my transplanted hair breathe. Overall: My experience at ASMED was 10/10 i cannot fault any part of the procedure and you get what you pay for. By no means is 9000euro cheap especially for me at 21years old trying to study a uni degree and pay this off over the next few years of my life But as i said you really do feel you get your money's worth as everything was done very well and at the end of the day if your going to go get this done and your hairloss means this much to you which it does if your getting it done in the first place you want that piece of mind knowing you have given yourself the best chance possible. My thoughts on my hairline writing this 3 days after the procedure is i love it i think it looks great and compliments my face and finally makes it all symmetrical which is what you want from a procedure like this. In saying that i like what i see but this is only the early stages, i will judge the final result after 12 months and hopefully it is similar to this density wise and there are NO double or more grafts placed in the hairline, that is what i am most stressed about and that is the work of the surgeon who picks and places the grafts in the already pre slit incisions done my Dr Erodgen so i can only hope they have done a good job. I can honestly say i am going to do pretty much everything known to man to compliment this hair transplant and give these hairs every chance possible to grow so me as an example can be a good one, good clinic, good patient (doing everything right) and we will see the final result because as stated sometimes things just don't go your way and your body won't accept all the grafts or whatever. Below are some photos of before during and after and a quick note i don't want any negativity unless it is constructive... please just be respectful and understand i am going through a stressful couple of months ahead and negative comments can plant bad idea's in post transplant patients heads and that is the last thing i need. Would like to know your thoughts on the hairline and ill post a couple swelling photos and i will make sure answer any questions you guys have. In regards to how often i will post, I'm planning monthly till month 6 then 3 monthly or maybe just 3 monthly in general, i will wait and see the response of this first.
  17. He's had over 7k grafts, you're complaining that 5k from ASMED was irresponsible yet you're recommending another 2500 grafts via FUE including "restoring" temple points. I mean, that is just such a ridiculous, laughably oxymoronic thing to suggest. I can virtually guarantee he could get borderline "perfect" results with 1500 grafts, considering his history however I'd be highly suspect that there is potentially psychological reasons for lower than average growth and after two surgeries its unlikely grafts will grow any easier a third time round on scalp that has already been operated on. If you've seen his results after the ARTAS procedure and consider that it was roughly 2500 in both the hairline and crown, its by no means abnormal. The yield is well below par with ASMED, but its actually a major improvement when comparing to how he looked after the ARTAS procedure. Most of this guys photos are from indoor lighting in a bathroom, probably the worst place to get a judgement of what people are looking at. I'm going to compare a few pics since this procedure for my overall judgement: So what is my point? My point is that whether or not his results are perfect, his DONOR looks equally if not more worrisome at this point than the actual result does in normal circumstances. Closeups in the bathroom mirror with a lens and lighting that accentuates problems aren't the best means for judging acceptability. Every outdoor pic suggests that the growth isn't perfect but the result is decent and looks natural. The donor is worrying, and considering he's had 7k grafts another procedure isn't something to do lightly. Attacking ASMED as being irresponsible then throwing out a suggestion to do another 2500 grafts and take a drug that gave him sexual side effects is to put it lightly, fucking dumb. As an aside, OPs surgeon did a damn good job on the nose. At some point the risks become higher than potential returns however.
  18. Hi everyone - I've been silently reading this forum for the last few months and it was instrumental in my decision to take the plunge and get a hair transplant. Here's my experience and journey so far. Statistics: Age: 33 NW: High (IV/V, possibly emerging VI but that's my guess) Caliber: 60 microns Hair / Graft Ratio: 2.04 Total Grafts Transplanted: 5,621 Estimated Donor Capacity: 8,200 Background: Like many of you, I’ve suffered from hair loss for most of my adult life, have tried (and abandoned) various hair regrowth treatments and thought becoming bald was my inevitable fate. I only started thinking about hair transplant options over the past 6 months or so when I randomly came across some articles discussing the latest advancements (and horror stories) in the field and the relative inexpensiveness of operations in Turkey and elsewhere. I began researching the topic seriously and this website was instrumental in my decision to go with Dr. Koray Erdogan. In selecting Dr. Koray, I focused on three things - results, passion for the craft and price. Being a high Norwood with a family history afflicted with MPB, I needed someone who had expertise with large HT cases like my own. I cared about passion for the craft because, I believe, thought-leadership and innovation are indicators of success, and I wanted the best-of-class when it comes to a major cosmetic operation that could either be transformative or a major disappointment. Finally, it had to fit my budget... now; I wasn't interested in taking years to save up $30-$45,000 that some US doctors were quoting me. Before settling on Dr. Koray, I researched and consulted with other hair transplant surgeons. As a Southern California native, I looked into local doctors (Armani, Rassman, Bisanga and others), some of the other big names in hair transplant I was coming across (Couto, Frietas, H&W, etc.), as well as other Turkish doctors (Karadeniz, Civas, Doganjay and some of the low-cost options too, like Cinik and Maral). I had a few in person and online consultations with some of these doctors, which was helpful. Frankly, the North American / European doctors who had impressive results were out of my budget. Dr. Koray was comparably priced to some of the average doctors I was seeing in the United States but had a stellar track record over the years and lauded as one of the best in the world. I thought his results put him among the top FUE surgeons in the world. I also found Dr. Koray’s YouTube videos to be very informative (admittedly much of it was PR, but it worked on me), and I became convinced that manual punch FUE in a mega session with some sort of implanter tool (like the KEEP device that Dr. Koray uses) is what would be best for me. In fact, I feel I may have ended up with Dr. Koray regardless of price. Pre-Op Treatment: I reached out to Asmed in early December 2018 and booked for mid-February 2019. At that time I wasn’t under any sort of medication. After my initial discussions with Sema, I went on 1mg generic fin daily and achieved some actual hair growth in the crown and midline areas. Process / Surgery: Others on this forum have gone into specifics around the airport pick-up, hotel, and clinic procedures in considerable detail, so I won’t repeat that here. But what I will mention is this. The Asmed mothership on the Asian side of Istanbul probably represents the pinnacle of what a modern medical facility should be - impeccably clean, sleek and exceptionally designed to shuttle patients from a pristine operating room, to high-tech hair wash / cut and transplant design areas, to an inviting waiting area (where you are greeted with Turkish hospitality in the form of tea, coffee and pastries and live classical music by a violin-piano duo). Everything was thoughtfully planned and laid out, and the process struck a balance between being highly individualized (Sema being my dedicated coordinator and never leaving my side) but productive (which I welcomed - I wanted to be one of the many patients they have great results for). When other people on these forums talk about how Asmed is a world-class facility, it truly is. When you meet Dr. Koray in person, you soon realize that he is singularly focused on your hairline and achieving optimal results based on a plan that takes into account your donor capacity and anticipated future hair loss. My interaction with him was otherwise limited, as I had expected to be from reading the forums, but I didn’t mind that – hairlines (and mine in the moment) are his obsession, and Dr. Koray spent a good 20-30 minutes (and consulted 18 others – my wife counted them) to ensure that mine was the very best for my face. And in Dr. Koray's staff, I felt care, compassion and dedication to implement Dr. Koray’s vision for the optimal hair transplant for me. Sema, my patient coordinator, was knowledgeable, patient and attentive. Nabiyeh, the nurse who was assigned to me the entire time I was there, was compassionate and genuinely concerned about my wellbeing. The surgical assistants had unfailing endurance and nimble, precise hands – in another era, they may well have been expert craftswomen weaving a great Turkish rug but are instead making a masterpiece out of my head and hair follicles. (I would prefer their hands doing the harvesting and implantations over that of any 50-60 year old man, no matter his years of experiences or the number of degrees he holds). Results: I could go on here… but what will ultimately matter, more than anything else I've written here, are my results, so check this thread 12 months’ time and we can all be the judge.
  19. ASMED Surgical Medical Center Dr Koray Erdogan Our Dear Patient CRAIG is an amazing person. Thank you for all your support and believe in us and Enjoy your beautiful hair. Wish you Healthy and Happy Days!!! ASMED CLINIC
  20. About Me Residence: Adelaide, Australia Age: 24 Norwood 2-3 Donor Capacity: 9800 grafts Donor Micron: 55 Donor FU/CM2: 99 Grafts used this surgery: 2867 Ratio: 2.19 hair/graft Temporal: 403 grafts @ 2.04 hair/graft Parietal: 1583 grafts @ 2.19 hair/graft Occipital 881 grafts @ 2.28 hair/graft Singles: 536 Doubles: 1359 Triples: 854 Quadruples: 114 Quintuple: 4 Sextuple: 0 Introduction Hi everyone, After noticing my hairline had recessed at the age of 19/20 to around a norwood 2 - 3 diffusing pattern i decided to do something about it. Long story short, at the age of 20, I ended up being coerced into a 1000 graft FUT surgery in 2015 to 'fix' this issue at a local clinic in my home city of Adelaide, South Australia. Instead of the amazing results I was promised, all that i had received was a pretty traumatic couple of days of surgery, an emptier bank account, a very sparse, poor excuse for a 'result' and a huge fut scar on the back of my head. It has since been 5 years and after dealing with trying to hide the unnaturalness of the transplant result as well as leaving my hair long constantly to hide a massive fut scar that i was promised would be an 'unnoticeable pencil line'. I bit the bullet and had the fut scar revised wit a plastic surgeon in march 2019 and booked an fue surgery with ASMED clinic in Istanbul for February 2020. Arrival Day 02/02/2020 After a 22 hour flight from Adelaide, Australia I arrived at the new Istanbul Airport, grabbed my bags and after a phone call from my patient coordinator Seda and a little confusion to navigate my way out of the airport I met with my driver Furkan. The van was very nice, spacious, comfortable with snacks and bottles of water and also wifi which was a nice touch. The drive was around 40 minutes on the highway, Furkan was full of knowledge about Istanbul and he even stopped halfway and got me something to eat and drink which was really nice. We arrived to the clinic (it was a sunday so relatively quiet) and i was taken up to my room. This is when you'll realize just how amazing the clinic is. Everything is so clean and well designed and everyone that works there is so nice. Once I arrived into my room i was messaged by Seda and told that there was no dinner made on sundays and that she will order me take out. After receiving pizza and a coke to my door I showered and was ready for bed for my consultation day. The rooms are very nice, equipped with your own ensuite, fridge, safe, tv and hospital bed. Consultation At 9:30am my coordinator, Seda knocked on my door ready to take me to my consultation. I first had my photos taken with dry hair, then a round with wet hair. then i was taken to another room where I had my bloodwork done and heart checked. We then went to Dr Korays office to meet and design my new hairline. I was actually really nervous to meet with the doctor but he is so welcoming and loved a good bit of banter which definitely settled me and made me feel relaxed. After measuring donor capacity, hair quality and micron of the hair it was time for the hairline design. Designing the new hairline was actually something I really enjoyed. Dr Koray first drew what he believed best suited me and then asked for my input. I was happy with his first design but wanted the left slightly lower to match the right and be more symmetrical so he was happy to address this and then we were finished with the design. I also asked about reinforcing my crown (he didn't believe this was necessary), reinforcing my temple peaks (which he agreed was a good idea for the future) and placing grafts into my fut scar (we discussed and settled on SMP) 2800 grafts was decided (2500 initially in the email consult) which i was happy with. After the design I was taken the to hair shaving room, this was very daunting for me because i had never shaved my head but felt relaxed as soon as i sat down. Once my head was shaved I was shocked purely because I actually didn't mind how I looked with a shaved head. After the shave I was taken in for more photos where Dr Koray drew the final design and made sure it looked perfect and then the final before photos were taken. After this i was then taken to the KE-Bot room which was really cool. I sat in a chair in front of a screen and a robot then scanned my head counting on the screen my singles, doubles, triples and so on. This takes about 10 minutes and once this was finished I was taken back to the shaving room where Dr Korays head Dr sectioned off the back of my donor zone and divided it evenly so each area is harvested according to how dense that area is etc. While this was happening, Dr Umud, the anaesthetist came in and discussed allergies to medication etc. Once this was complete, my head was washed, i was taken to the finance department to pay the remainder of the surgery and then the consultation day was complete. I returned to my room to a surgical gown and pants hanging up and a pair of crocs to wear for my surgery. Surgery Day I was told to have a light breakfast and meet Seda at 7:20 in the common room outside the bedrooms. I was super nervous for my surgery and was given a xanax to take before hand, this helped calm me down a lot. I was taken to the hair shaving room where they shaved my hair again and washed my head thoroughly, after this i was taken to the surgery room. I sat up on a surgical bed and had my drip and pain killers placed then sat my head in the KE-Rest (which is awesome I don't know how I would've sat for that long without it), had my local anaesthetic and it was time for the extraction process. For something I was so scared about, it was actually really calming. i sat there with a blanket in front of a tv which live reads each graft removed and tells you how many singles, doubles, etc are being extracted. I slept through most of the extractions but when awake the feeling was somewhat like someone pressing lightly on the back of your head with their finger. Nothing painful like I was worried about. All that i can recommend is as soon as you start feeling anything let them know and they will give you more local. If this is left too long the local hurts so much and is honestly the worst pain you feel through the entire process. After the extractions were complete, the back of my head was bandaged and it was lunch time. Lunch was awesome, meatballs and potatoes with rice, bread a salad and water. After lunch, Dr Koray came in and made the incisions, this process went relatively quick and as soon as he was done he wished me goodluck and his team started the placement of the grafts. the placement is the longest process but was still a pleasurable experience. Once this is complete, Dr Korays head Dr comes in and double checks (if there's any gaps she will extract, make the incision and fill the gap with grafts) then Dr Koray has a look to make sure everything looks good. I was taken to the SMP room where i had SMP performed on my FUT scar then taken for my post operative photos and then I was talked through how often to use the atp spray and ice pack and that was the end of my surgery day. Day After Surgery The day after surgery I was taken to the washroom where I had my wash and then given all my post op care. Once this was complete my driver came and got me from my room and took me to the airport for the long 22 hour flight home. Before Photos Wet Hair Shaved With Hairline After My Tips 1. Get to know other patients It was really refreshing talking to other guys that are going through the exact same thing as you. In my case there was a guy visiting for his third time and bouncing questions off of him really helped the rest of us more comfortable and not as worried about the whole process. I would also urge everyone to keep in contact through whatsapp because it is nice to bounce progress and swelling shots off of each other as well as discuss washing techniques etc. 2. Ask as many questions as possible Nothing is a stupid question. It's pretty daunting going to a different country for a surgery and I found that everyone there is more than happy to help. 3. Stay over there as long as you can I left the day after surgery and found that the swelling has increased a lot further than others that had much shorter flights. If you can stay for a week or so until the swelling goes away also if you can visit the clinic for washes, you'll find the whole recovery much easier. Looking forward to seeing my results and what you think. Will post pictures as I hit each milestone! Thanks, NY
  21. I’ve been notified by ASMED, they are having zoom consultations, it would be a good time to get free advice and graft estimates. Dear Forum members, The ASMED CLINIC is currently closed due to COVID-19 Pandemic Situation all over the World. We offer an opportunity for every eligible patient candidate to proceed with *complimentary* Online Live Consultations lead by Dr Koray Erdogan starting on the 4th of May 2020. The Consultations will be done via "Zoom https://zoom.us/download”. For detailed information and appointment requests, we kindly ask you to send your name, surname, phone number and pictures that were taken under the natural light to the following email address: suzana@asmed.com.tr. EXAMPLE (Wet and Dry Hair Photos) After receiving your email we will send the details for the Online Live Consultation. NOTE: You can always reach us on the following telephone number: Mobile: +90 549 624 68 28 (Whatsapp) Thank you for your cooperation. Wish you All Healthy and Happy Days, Suzana Kubinek Patient Coordinator, ASMED Languages : English / Bosanski / Hrvatski / Srpski / Türkçe
  22. Mate, I've just recently posted my results from asmed also, not quite as spectacular as yours but in general I'm happy. Your new barnet looks the absolute business. Just a general question, I've tried to contact my asmed patient coordinator Sema but seems she no longer works there. Where do you get you finistride from? They had a big problem with generic when I was at asmed. Effectively said it's next to useless. It's ridiculously expensive in the UK to buy proscar that they provide you with for a year but I've ran out, still got some generic from assured pharmacy who seem legit. Just wondering mate. Looking top drawer btw.
  23. You went from this: To this: And are saying that ASMED has put you in a position where you feel suicidal. Go to a therapist and tell them your situation, show them the before/afters and see what they tell you in reference to your comments about feeling suicidal because of this. Look at Lorenzo cases for Norwood 6s with similar situations to yourself and see how many grafts it took to get them to a position of full looking density and perfect coverage. You aren't helping anyone with your comments because they're hysterical and coming from a place of poor mental health. Most importantly, your comments and mindset aren't helping yourself because you're not in a particularly bad position regardless, nor one that significantly below any reasonable expectation. You were never a one and done and with a similar yield to what you had in your first procedure would likely get results that anyone would consider life changing with a graft number that poses no risk to your long term donor management. Is a second procedure truly something to feel suicidal about? Absolutely not, a few more plane flights, another surgery and 12 grand is absolutely nothing in comparison to how you're reacting.
  24. Hey guys I am a 35 yo male from London and arrived home last night from Istanbul so I will talk about my experience at Asmed. I wanted to keep this brief but to hell with it I couldn’t help it. Firstly a big thank you to both Sema and Suzana who were my coordinators. Sema - who helped me over the past year since I contacted Asmed and Suzana who was with me throughout the experience and never left my side. She is very fluent in English and communication and organisation was excellent. In fact everyone at Asmed looked after me very well and never made me feel awkward. Not to forget the anesthetist Dr Umat who is a very interesting individual :). Initially I sent Asmed (Sema - my initial coordinator) my photos 12 months ago and Dr Erdogan recommended 5000 grafts and for me to start finesteride before surgery as without it I may not be happy with the end result because of my type of hairloss. I was a bit weary of finesteride side effects so it took a month for me to decide what to do because for me hair transplants and finesteride go hand in hand. So a couple of months went by (sept - dec 2017) eventually I got on brand name Propecia 1mg by Merck. I started slowly as advised by a hair loss expert we all know - it took me till January until I was using it more or less every day. In this time I was in constant communication with Sema discussing dates etc. And getting my finances sorted. So in January I asked to book the surgery in May however they had very few dates and I could not get the amount of time I wanted from work. I use Toppik hair fibres and Asmed advise patients not to use it for 6 months so I wanted as much time not using it as possible after surgery. So my work allowed me to take 3 months leave (mix of unpaid and paid) - yes a lot of time but only 6 weeks was unpaid. So in February we decided on 3rd and 4th Oct. 2018 (2500 grafts per day) this was actually good because I would have been on Propecia 10 months. You can send from 1000 to 3000 euros - I sent 1000 initially and just before I went I sent another 2000 just after Dr Erdogan looked again at my updated photos (as it was nearly a year since the initial ones)to confirm. I used TransferWise as they take the actual exchange rate on Google and not lower rates like banks provide. I would need to arrive before 14:00 on 2nd Oct for the consultation however there were no flights that arrive before that time on BA from Heathrow Airport. There were other flights from different airlines but I wanted BA as I could get the flight for £75 return and free long stay parking (as I know someone who works there), I was already spending so much on the surgery so I wanted to keep costs down. Sema very kindly allowed me to arrive in the evening of 1st Oct, 2nd Oct - consultation, 3/4 Oct surgery 5th Oct shampoo/clean and departure for home at 1625. This extra night came at no extra cost. Initially I booked the clinic’s own suite but there was a problem with the room so they booked me into the Raddison blue hotel (5 mins from clinic) all days free and breakfast included. This turned out much better because although Asmed can make you breakfast, they close in the evening and the only people there are security and local restaurants are not very close. Just take a yellow taxi (with meter) from the hotel for 10 liras (just over a pound) and ask to go to the Palladium shopping and restaurant complex 5 mins away. If you need to change money into Turkish Lira change it at this complex just ask anyone for "change office" which is in the shopping center. I wanted to see the famous blue mosque and grand bazaar but it is an hour away. Day of Arrival (Mon 1st Oct) Flight arrived at 1630 just a 4 hour flight from London Heathrow Airport. The Asmed driver was there with my name written on an iPad (transfer from airport to hotel and all journeys between hotel and Asmed are free). He gave me his phone as Suzana (my day to day coordinator) spoke on the phone me and welcomed me to Istanbul and said she will be in constant touch with me on whatsapp and in the clinic she will be taking care of me the entire time. The car was a large Mercedes people carrier with beautiful red leather seats and plenty of snacks to enjoy. Because of the time of day it took close to an hour to get to the hotel because of rush hour. The Hotel room was very good and I took a taxi to the Palladium center. You just need to tell the hotel reception to get you a taxi and it comes right away, they have a meter on so you won't be ripped off. Took 5 mins cost me a pound and walked around the shopping center, ate some delicious kebabs and got a taxi which are always there and got back to my room to get some sleep. Day 2 (Consultation) Suzana sent me a whatsapp message saying that the driver will pick me up at 12:45. I got into the car with 2 other people who also were having their consultations. You should know that you won't be the only patient in the day as I will come to later. We were greeted at reception by our respective coordinators and reception staff. The clinic is amazing, clean, modern and very classy at the same time. There a couple of women who are playing the piano and violin in the reception area. So Suzana sat me down and said that she will wait here with me until we are called for the consultation. Dr Erdogan and his team were very busy during this time and surgeries were still going on so we needed to wait an hour before they could see us. However, in this time I was offered some snacks and asked to read through some paper work and sign that I understood all the terms. All of this would have been sent to you when you booked so it is just the same. After that I was taken downstairs for blood tests to test for HIV etc.. All clear. I then went into the photography room and had my photos taken both dry and wet hair shots from all angles. A while later I and my coordinator were called into Dr Erdogan's office. It was like meeting a king and I told him so - I have very been following him for few years and on social media so it was quite a hair raising moment for me. So in the consultation it was Dr Erdogan, another doctor, one of his senior surgical assistants and my coordinator. Dr Erdogan very quickly broke the ice with me and told me how happy he was to see me as when he saw my name he realized I am of Pakistani descent (born UK) and how happy he was about that because he has always liked people from there so that was a nice start. He went over some basic things with me and said that I am a candidate for hair transplantation after looking at the blood tests. He had a screen in front of him with my photos from just earlier and discussed what he can do. He said that my hair loss pattern was more Ludwig patterned rather than the usual norwood cases. He analysed my hair in detail with his apparatus and said that my hair is of very good quality with a total donor of 8500. In general he said that safe zone hair can be effected by DHT as seen by very old people and looking at my age (35) it is possible to lose 10% of safe zone hair in my lifetime and that if I came off finesteride later in life it is possible that my total donor capacity is at 7500 so even though my real donor is 8500 he sees it as 7500. He drew a hairline and asked what I thought. It was probably a tiny bit higher than I would have liked but he said that once transplanted it will look lower but my main concern were no temples drawn because mine are quite faint. He said in a funny way that he really does not like my crown. I have not got a massively receding hairline and that patch on the top really does stick out like a sore thumb. So he drew my temples and it looked great but he said he would need 700 grafts just for that and he can't cover the top properly as well in 1 operation so if want that it would be 700 less grafts in my crown and it still won’t look that good on top. He wanted 2000 grafts just for the crown 2500 for the hairline and just above and the remainder 500 in the mid-scalp as he said it has a lot of and hairs. He said it was up to me but if I leave it to him that is the way he would do it and I can always come back and do the temples after a year or so. I thought about it and knew already that the crown was my priority - it is a different type of hair loss pattern. So I said to him I will go with his instinct and he said I will be very happy with my result. He actually told me later on that he would in fact put 2100 in the crown and 400 just below that instead of the 500 so my crown should have a big difference he said. This was not the final hairline and he would refine it after hair shaving. Consultation lasted about 20 minutes I had a bunch of questions for him but he really is to the point and just gets on with his analysis and what he can do for you. After that Suzana took me to the finance department where I paid the outstanding amount in Pounds Sterling cash. If your home currency is pounds or USD I advise you to pay in that currency to them. It saves you changing into euro where you won’t get a good rate and will have to pay some fees. The rate the clinic gave me was much better than at home and they don’t charge you for them to change it into euros. After this I got my hair shaved off! It actually looked alright! I waited for Dr Erdogan to make his final refined hairline plans. He told me that he will go into the temples a bit so that was good news. Whilst this was going on he has a big team of people watching. These are the techs or surgical assistants (as he calls it) who will work with you for the entire surgery. If you have 2 days surgery like me they don’t have different teams, it’s the same people working on you. I was then taken to the room where they have their latest robot – the K-bot. You sit with your head against a support pad and the camera takes 3d images of your entire head and you can see on the screen your grafts in detail. This helps the doctor further in his analysis. This lasts for 15 minutes but you can be on your phone – I actually took a video of what the K-bot was doing but I don’t think you can post videos here. This all took best part of 4 hours from waiting at the start to the end. Dropped back to the hotel went into town again for a nice kebab (with lines in my head). Yes you have to keep the lines on and not rubbed off because they then have to go through the whole process again. And no wearing hats so I was laughed and smiled at a lot whilst walking through town it was surreal. Day 3 (Surgery 2515 grafts) Asmed advise you to where a buttoned shirt before and after surgery. I woke up at 6 am, 6:30 breakfast buffet – plenty of variety. For 3 days including this day I had to take an antibiotic tablet with breakfast and Xanax to calm me although I only needed that for the first day. It wasn’t till I got down there that I realised how many of us were being operated on. Including me it was 6 guys at breakfast ready to be taken to Asmed. Three of them already had their first day hairline surgery and the rest of us were on our first day. I was slightly taken back by this because I was sure they only did 4 surgeries a day but I guess it can depend on the cases. One guy was just having his hairline refined. All 6 of got into the people carrier and went to Asmed. We were given Asmed buttons shirts and bottoms to wear for surgery and it really is straight into it from that point. My coordinator took me to the surgery room and I met all the people involved with my surgery. I asked who will be doing the extractions and how long they had been working there. One person would be doing the extractions and she has been doing ONLY extractions for 7 years so I felt assured. Suzana showed me the microscope where they dissect single hair grafts as I was querying this lot. So onto the anaesthetics – Dr Umat organises this. He is a very interesting person he looks serious but he is a really cool person and fun to talk to, if he ever reads this I hope you are well and very active! This is the most painful part of the surgery, they have something that vibrates as they inject many times into your scalp which makes it a bit easier. If it is too much, they can give you something through the I.V your arm help ease you. It acts really quick and she starts extracting and you cannot feel a thing. You have a screen in front which tells you how many grafts have been extracted and if they’re singles, twos etc…I actually had a fair amount of 4s 5s 6s. Suzana was in the room with me the whole time she was a great help. She gave me a face rest support where I could also stick my I pad on it to watch stuff on. Sema came in now and I watched a popular bald show (we all know) re run from the previous night just to keep them on their toes and they knew what it was. This whole process takes more than 3 hours (I think) as I just lost track of time I didn’t sleep at all. They extracted 2515 grafts in total. Dr Erdogan did not come in during this time but his most experienced surgical assistant – Dilek came in at certain points. Dr Erdogan watches all the surgeries on monitor in his office and directs if need be from there which I am not completely happy about but the results are good. Next was 30 minute lunch maybe less and back to the operating room where I’m prepped and given anaesthetics for the recipient area before the main man Dr Erdogan comes in and shakes my hand and begins the incisions. The techs cover my eyes and hold my face in certain positions as the doctor instructs them whilst he pokes away. This takes him 30 – 40 mins and he shakes your hand and moves to the next patient. The same person that did the extractions is now joined by Dilek who both start the implanting stage. This can be prickly and pain a bit so they test certain areas and ask you is it painful or not. If it is they put some liquid type anesthetic so you don’t feel it. In fact at any time you feel pain you must tell them and they will ease it. They put a special blue solution over the recipient area which highlights all the incisions Dr Erdogan made. At some point they realised they covered the required area and had a few more grafts so Dilek made a few extra incisions which is fine as she is possibly the best tech going. Implants can take quite a while I cannot remember exactly but it was just a bit less than the extractions so maybe 2 hours. Once it is done I felt very tired walked very slowly as I was trying to get my bearings right. The trauma and anesthetics can make you very tired. So Suzana came with me to another room where they sat me down under a low level red laser for 10 mins to help with healing. After that she gave me ATP spray and said I must put spray my recipient area a few times every 2 hours with it. She also gave me ice cooling gel to help with swelling. Its only till a few days later I realise how big my face got! I went back to the hotel, my forehead looked bigger because of the swelling had something to eat in the hotel restaurant – felt like crap but hotel staff are used to Asmed patients so I mixed in well. I went back upstairs for a very awkward night. Didn’t sleep much, Suzana gave me neck pillow and for the first 10 days you need to sleep with this on your back facing up (no rolling about) do not let your recipient area rub anything as this is a very sensitive time for your scalp. I wasn’t in much pain but I just felt completely shattered and sleepy but I kept waking up in the night but I got through it somehow. Day 4 – (Surgery 2505 grafts) Exactly the same as day 3. Note that grafts it is not exactly 5000 grafts (5020) they do not tell you to pay for these extra few. So that is it, surgery complete and Dr Erdogan came and said he is happy with the way it looks and is just the way he wanted it and said he will see me tomorrow. In terms of reactions to the surgery at the time I had swelling but by the time I wrote this my face was huge I look like sloth from the goonies – google it if you don’t know. But this is all part of it. Some people have more sensitive bodies than others. Just have to keep applying ice packs. Day 5 – (Wash and go) Another awkward night but managed to have breakfast and be picked up at 9:50 am. Suzana was at reception and took me down for the shampoo and washing. This is what you have to do on your own for 10 days post op so pay attention when they tell you. They took the bandages off washed me and I felt fresh again and went in for the final post op photos. They gave me some Turkish delight sweets as a gift and a power pack. As well as this as they knew I was on Proscar (I changed to proscar a month earlier – cost effective and same brand Merck) they gave me 1 year supply of Proscar (£200 worth) for free and a pill cuter! They gave me a USB stick with all my surgical details and photos as well as various papers of post op instructions. All the post op shampoos and creams are free. Suzana bid me farewell she was really good to me the entire time and I told her I’ll be back in a year for results photographs only downside Dr Erdogan didn’t meet me I left but I guess he is busy with all the other patients. Dropped to the hotel at 12 and was told the driver will be back at 14:00 for airport drop of. So that’s it I hope I didn’t bore you with the details there is more I could write but those details may come up in the future in the meantime I have posted photographs taken at Asmed below. Surgery Details : 1148 Single 2589 Double 1158 Triple 119 Quadruple 6 Quintuple Total Grafts: 5020 Avg hair: 2.05 per graft Hair thickness: 61 microns Medication: Proscar 1.25 per day since January 2018 Pre-Op Plans: Post OP
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