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  1. I’ve had a lot of experience with H&W over the years and I can hand in heart say that there’s absolutely no way either surgeon would suggest FUE over FUT based solely on their own financial gains. As mentioned in the comment above mine, this is simply a case where in the past the graft count would’ve been lowered to accommodate the lack of laxity with strip (which can only be assessed in person), now as FUE is an option this can be offered instead, but in no way would they do this as a bate and switch and ultimately if the person still wanted strip with a smaller amount (or whatever the laxity dictated) then they’d still do that. On a side note I recently spoke to Dr. Hasson personally about FUE and he commented their transaction rate with FUE is almost zero percent and the results they’ve been getting equal that of their strip surgery.
  2. Konior, Hasson and Wong, and Shapiro are top FUT doctors. I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones I'm familiar with. I think Dr. Feller, Bloxham and Cooley are pretty good too, but I haven't done that much research on them. If you do another big FUE session your donor area is most likely gonna be done, but if you opt for FUT you're still gonna have areas above and below the scar to take from. It's pretty simple math. Plus, FUT is cheaper if money is an issue for you.
  3. Hey guys just finished my 4th month .. around 120 days now . the next two months are the make or break months .. I had early growth spurt but things are slowly filling in now .. I have a 15X handheld mirror that has been giving me peace of mind .. I see a lot of little hairs that has popped but not noticeable enough to see with camera .. gives me some respect to Dr. Hasson , I can see the grafts were densely packed .. there’s barely space between them .. that’s a top notch clinic right there .. that’s able to do that .. so far things are going fine .. slow steady growth now .. no no I don’t use PRP ,, or minoxidil.. just Finasteride for 1.5 years now .. 1st pic is right out of the shower .. 2nd is how I’ve been combing my hair 3rd is how my donor hair 4th closeup so overall , the foundation of the transplant has formed .. now just have to fill in n mature ..
  4. Dr. Hasson is the best out there imo. As a general rule of thumb, pay attention to user reviews rather than clinic posted results and you won’t go far wrong
  5. While I don’t doubt Dr. Couto is an excellent surgeon, one thing you have to take into account is that 90% of his work is on Spanish patients who have just about the best hair to transplant. Not saying I wouldn’t put him top 5, but that’s an important factor. Dr Lorenzo also deserves a mention Dr Hasson is my personal top pick for obvious reasons Dr Wong is also up there Dr Konior seems to be another great and surgical surgeon I agree with Dr Ferudini also Dr Shipiro x2 Dr Alexander Dr Diep That’s probably my 10 personal favourites not in order, my top 3 in order would probably be 1)Hasson 2)Konior 3)Lorenzo/Couto
  6. Here are some updated pics, nothing has changed since about 5.5 - 6 months. Let me be clear, I think Dr. Nader is extremely fair, professional, and nothing short of awesome to deal with. I really wish this worked out better for me, however; I did expect a better result and am disappointed. I definitely would like a second procedure and will be looking to head to Turkey when the time does come. I still have a slight itch/irritation in my donor area, although it healed very well and there is no visible marking. I wonder why this is? It’s extremely annoying, and makes me regret not going somewhere like Hasson & Wong and having it over with in one shot. I know people will object and say “dense packing in one session is rare” but to each their own. I don’t believe anyone should have low expectations, otherwise what’s the point? This is 13 months post-op, I hope this helps anyone debating a procedure. I took dry and wet photos within an hour of each other, it does really change the way the results look.
  7. I would also add Ron Shapiro to the list. Outstanding hairlines. Very natural. He is more of a 2-pass for density, which is not a bad thing. I actually find that the more experienced the doctor gets, he/she is a master at creating the illusion of density, less is more. @Gasthoerer re: Density in one pass - H&W ...I always like to differ the two. Wong vs. Hasson. Dr. Wong being by choice for "crown and one-pass." I actually sent my cousin to Dr. Wong. Thoughts?
  8. Hi Folks, Long time lurker; My very first post here with the intent to share and contribute based on my upcoming surgery in India with Darling buds and most importantly “ My results “ in the next few months. I feel morally obligated to contribute at least something back to this community that offers : A worldwide network of HT experts, reputed Senior members sharing invaluable info, Top rated HT surgeons positioning their point of views and most importantly "real patients sharing real stories". Background Male in mid-thirties from Canada; NW 3 - Less/More. Past 6 years were dark and depressing. Living in a fool’s paradise; using Toppik daily assuming everything’s fine but somewhere at a deeper level; it continuously bothered me. Finally in 2019; I made the big decision to get a HT. This website is the main reason as to why I was able to solidify on my research, move ahead with a concrete decision and was able to find one of the best doctor (just being positive here) as per my checklist/strict criteria. Special thanks to the Creator of this website – Kudos to the brain that kicked off this humanitarian initiative as it continues to educate millions of potential patients like myself. Why Darling Buds India (I guess they changed the name to 5 Rivers Hospital ) This piece takes forever to decide especially for someone like me who spends gazillions of hours on the Internet/YouTube/Forums. I was always skeptical about giving my Head to someone to be operated; so consulted with many Canadian, American, European, Indian and Turkish clinics. Many reputed names like Dr. Rahal ( Known as the hairline king from Canada), Dr Acar ( Cosmedica Turkey), Dr. Erdogan ( Turkey), Aestimed ( Turkey), LA Hair ( USA), Qunomedical ( Belgium & German clinics), Dr. Cinik ( Turkey) and the list goes on……………………………………………. but None fitted my checklist in it's entirety reflecting 8 Key deciding factors that was prepared after extensive research for years 🙄 : 1. Max cost under 10,000 CAD ( 7500 USD ) for 3500-4000 Grafts to be able to achieve maximum density in my case. YES, I decided to find the best treatment within this range. IMHO, paying this much should suffice in getting you a world class, still affordable HT in today’s age with advanced Technologies, Globalization, the power of internet and competitive market. It's costing me around 9000 CAD ( including some expensive flight tickets) with Dr. Bhatti which seems adequate for the reputation he has or rather a steal ( not sure - will tell later) If budget wasn’t a constraint, I would’ve booked Dr. Rahal ( Canada ) who is local to me OR Dr. Baubac ( Alvi Armani USA) more importantly to save myself from the hassle of flying 20 hours one way, then drive to a different city, book a hotel for a week, apply for a visa, Take few weeks of vacation from work etc. Dr Rahal charges 8 CAD per FUE, most other clinics would cost the same in N. America for FUE Treatment. It’s costing me around 2.40 CAD with Dr. Bhatti ( includes all international/ Local flights, Visa, Hotel, Food, Cab etc.). If you compare Dr Bhatti's fee with his peers who fall in the same reputed arena of global doctors, I think most would sign this off as a great offering for hair loss patients globally. Eugenix quoted around 4 CAD per graft but it was for DHI method. They produced some great results lately and they are the inventors of DHI which is now adapted globally; goes to show that they are researchers also - very impressive. As of 2019, I think Dr. Bhatti and Eugenix should be compared as top players if India is the selected destination for your HT Journey ( My comparison below) I almost finalized Eugenix over Dr. Bhatti but then based on my research, took a U Turn : Eugenix positive aspects: 1. Biggest is DHI - OUT/IN grafts within minutes. Definitely better method as compared to Traditional FUE . I could only find positives so far, no negatives on DHI. It's hard to logically beat DHI method with traditional FUE; so no doctor should even try it IMO. I wish Dr Bhatti would offer DHI to his patients by now ☹ 2. Clinics are located in major cities like Delhi and Mumbai. No need to drive / fly again from major airport all the way to Chandigarh. Eugenix Negative aspects: 1. Some patients mentioned that they were taken for a ride. Eugenix Docs prey on foreign nationals; after or during mid surgery – Dr. Bansal asked for 500 more grafts payment as required and payment must be done during the middle of the operation ( insane); also no breakdown/reasoning was provided in the end. On the contrary, Darling buds has returned some fee to few patients to their surprise which is a classy act of ethical business in my opinion (hard to find) 2. Eugenix costs are almost double than Darling buds( quite expensive for many) but anyways DHI is more costlier than traditional FUE globally and if results are better with more graft survival rate, most patients wouldn't mind paying more. 3. Eugenix is run in a satellite office format, more than one location and hard to get a hold of prime doctors - Dr. Sethi and Dr. Bansal where as Dr. Bhatti provides a peace of mind with one location, one clinic, one doctor who is also the owner of that entire facility with 15 good staff members well trained under him in a peaceful non polluted city near a hill station. #3 was a critical factor in my decision to go with Dr. Bhatti In short, I would’ve loved DHI for best results but I settled with FUE for now Note: Out of thousands, This site recommends ONLY 2 surgeons from Turkey, 7 surgeons from India and 1 from Canada ( I was surprised to see only Dr. Rahal in the list, yes Hasson is there but they're again advocates of FUT ), so HRN really helped me short list 10 surgeons before making the final call 2. ONLY FUE for ME – My heart said a Big “No“ to a linear scar; doesn’t matter if some Doctors persuade you with somewhat genuine reasoning's to avoid FUE such as : FUE provides Less density, FUT offers more grafts and saves Donor area as untouched for future sessions, FUE is a blind process etc. Dr. Feller and Dr. Soni ( Medispa India) seems like the two biggest advocates of FUT over FUE and I agree with some of their explanations as it sounds logical. Dr. Soni really pushed me to sign up with FUT and said his scar technique is different. Promised that he will close it in a way where almost no scarring is visible . It was tough buying into that argument, additionally recent negative reviews about him and I finally decided to brush him aside at that point. 3. Doctor MUST perform the operation (No technicians) – I could only find someone as reputed as Dr. Bhatti who performs 80% of the procedures that includes Hair trimming (to feel your hair ), Anesthesia, FUE Extractions with motorized punch and Incisions. In Turkey where I was almost sold at one point, all operations are run by Technicians. Not a Plastic surgeon, no educational background/ competency level ( it's scary as they're known as the butchers of HT industry) I wish Dr. Bhatti would implant the grafts too ( not his nurses) for extra cost but I guess it will be a tedious job for a busy surgeon to sit for another 4 hours or so ....... Am I asking for too much 4. World class facility matching North American standards : with Heart rate monitoring, proper blood tests, blood pressure check up, spotless , Face coverings during entire operation and sterile environment. 5. Super microscopes and Magnifiers is a must ( Most Turkish clinics operate with naked eyes, when I asked they tried to sell me bull *&**** ) This is extremely important during all 4 phases of operation : Extraction – To make sure proper gaps are left in between grafts in the donor area and get the right angle before using the punch. Sorting – To count how many pure singles, doubles, triples and quads ( if any ) are collected. Incisions – To ensure least collateral damage, magnifier will show 6 x scalp surface so during incisions, holes are made at the right angle, depth and only on bald scalp areas ( not where you've some fine hairs). This should also minimize some shock loss in the post op phase. Implantation - Imperative to only use pure singles / baby soft hairs in the very first few rows of hairline and Temples. If by mistake, they implant doubles – it will give a pluggy look and I would rate that transplant as 50% failed right then and there. If during implant, nurses grab a multi - haired graft, at least microscopes will allow them to revisit to find a pure single graft and then insert it in the right spot. Joe Tillman's video is quite helpful : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeQ4ZvEHb7Y 6. Doctor should have a solid reputation on major forums, hair restoration network, should be well read, traveled, have some global exposure, recommended by Bald-truth, Spex and many other HT mentors like Joe Tillman. Dr. Bhatti checks all those boxes. Yes – there are some mixed opinions about him (and every other Top HT surgeon out there) but perfection is impossible to achieve; so I decided to just look at the bigger picture and go for it. 7. Detailed info, pre op care, post op care, regular contacts and supporting your patients in their hours of greatest needs is of utmost importance. Its well know that Dr. Bhatti, Shera ( his rep) , California would contact their ex. Patients regarding some concerns, would stand by them and not disappear. This was impressive. 8. Patient advisor should be genuine, honest and straightforward – So far, Shera has been awesome, friendly and taking care of all my minor/ major concerns. Always reachable, quick responses and a real time patient who has experienced the same Doctor few years ago first hand. In the long run, it helps to have a contact like him for small chats if need be. I will continue to share my Journey with Darling buds and also, highlight If any red flags are there. So far, I’m just one naive internet researcher in this field who talks based on theories and hypothetical situations, I don’t have any practical experiences yet. Assuming I've made a good decision by choosing this clinic (over others) and trying to keep a positive mindset hoping I will be in good hands is the only thing I can do now. One Sr. Member said it wisely – “For Dr. Bhatti and his staff ( or other clinics) 18th March will be just another day with another patient like thousands came before and will come after, but for a patient who’s been researching on this constantly day/night, it’s a big life event and 18th is one of the most important day of his life after which either he could regain his lost confidence or could loose it forever “ After all, handing off your head to someone for the entire day isn’t one easy decision I’ve seen members here supporting each other against doctors if results aren’t satisfactory. That speaks volumes and the main reason as to why I joined here to gain support from my so called “Anonymous hair restoration family” Dr. Bhatti's hairlines were talked about – not too dense? Any suggestions? Should I revisit this with him ? I don't want a sparse hairline but Not sure if this was an old issue (one -off) Also, I’ve not met Dr Bhatti for any F2F consulting yet or a video consultation, plan is to meet him a day before my procedure. So far, Shera is my driving force. I’m hoping for a life changing experience (like many others), regain my lost confidence and I always say “ Hope “ is something that brings us to these Doctor’s doorsteps. Yes finance and reviews are important aspects but we all hope to be treated in the best possible way during our special treatment day. A little daunting for me to fly all the way, get operated in a surgical room, holes in my head but I’m collecting all the courage in this world to get this done. Shera is helping like one true Samaritan If some of you are able to read this completely, my apologies for such a long note but this is the only forum where I am able to write everything anonymously and vent out if need be. My Journey to be continued……………………………………………………………………………………............................................
  9. Hi All. Been reading posts on this site for several years and want to begin by saying ‘Thank You’ to those that have come before me. Without the countless hours of watching the progress and results of others, I’d never have had the confidence to give a HT a shot. I recently took the plunge and had an FUE performed. I don’t plant to go into details about the surgeon or the facility. I’ve seen in other posts where unconscious bias about a given surgeon sways the type of feedback received. So like some others I’ve seen on this site, I plan to omit surgeon ID until month 8 (arbitrary date). Until then hopefully focus will just be on the results. I will go into details about the surgeon/clinic in a few months time, but for now I have only positive things to say about my time there. Surgeon, technicians, clinic - everything was top notch. Ok, so here’s my story quickly. My hairline began receding in my late 20s, and now in my late 30s it had progressed to being well on its way to a solid Norwood 3a. I’d met with reps of the clinic who’d both felt I was a candidate for somewhere between 2500-3000 grafts. Upon arrival at the clinic, however, Dr took one look at me and said that due to the fine/thin nature of my hair, that he was reluctant to proceed with anything less than 4000. After quick contemplation I agreed with his advice and we proceeded as follows: Day 1: 2,633 Grafts 404 singles 1639 doubles 590 multi's (~5,452 hairs) Day 2: 1,717 Grafts 113 singles 1109 doubles 495 multi's (~3,816 hairs) Total: 4,350 grafts 517 singles 2748 doubles 1085 multi’s ~9,268 hairs Here are the pics. 2 photos taken morning of surgery Surgery Day 1 Surgery Day 2 Several pics following surgery with post-op date noted on the pic. I should note I am sensitive to epinephrine so the team had to use the a lot less epi when injecting my scalp with the anesthesia. The lack of epi caused more bleeding and bruising (and pain) than normal, but the team handled it all like pros. Eager to hear any feedback folks have and happy to answer any questions as well. Thanks.
  10. Vancouver area patient in his early 30’s. Without the proper initial research, he fell victim like many others who might have felt that there may not be a big difference from one clinic to another. Likely influenced more by cost than quality, he chose a clinic in Istanbul for his first hair transplant. As can be the case with many locations, there can be a number of choices, not all created equal. As this site has stated for many years: “Be Careful!” It did not turn out as he had expected and he wanted to correct the previous work and achieve his original goal of a nice hairline with good density. Upon evaluation of the work done in Istanbul, Dr. Hasson noted the hairline and tissue exhibited ridging, cobblestoning, misdirected hair, multi-hair grafts, low density, etc. All of these conditions are unnatural and can draw the wrong type of attention. Today’s modern hair restoration should never present any of these conditions. Excision of some grafts inappropriately placed that blunted the temporal angles would also be required to achieve the most natural result. Shortly after his initial consultation, he came back to the clinic to have the offending 95 misdirected grafts in the temporal angles removed ( see photos with marker highlighting areas to remove). When the temporal angles have been improperly blunted especially with hairs pointing in the wrong direction, removal is often necessary if the most natural looking hairline is to be created. In some cases, we can work around poorly executed previous work but to what degree and with what sacrifices if any is determined case by case. Dr. Hasson and team then later rebuilt a new hairline blending into the frontal zone with 2,000 grafts via FUE. 343 grafts were single hair, 1329 were double hair grafts and 328 were 3-4 hair grafts. These photos were taken 1-year post-op. GRAFTS REMOVED PRIOR TO HAIRLINE RECONSTRUCTION:
  11. Hello Everyone, Many of you may know me formerly as 'literalno'. I want to preface by saying that username was made in complete negativity before I knew anything about hair transplants and what they can do for people. I was aimlessly searching for answers to my fears associated with propecia and stumbled across a particularly unsightly before/after ultimately assuaging me from ever becoming one of "those hair transplant guys"; hence literal(ly)no(never). I decided to make this thread around the 6 month mark ( I am now a little closer to 7) to promote good vibes for the second leg of the process since I am quite frankly not at my end goal, but very optimistic for what should be the most productive leg of this often tumultuous journey. Much of my skepticism stems from how my hairloss occurred in the first place, and the measures I have taken thus far to fix it. It started very suddenly a few years ago during a rough time in my life. I was going through a tough period and the stress seemed to spur its onset seemingly overnight. I knew what had happened, but everyone around me obviously assured me "its all in your head" (yeah right). About two years ago I was at my wits end before coming across Dr. Amaya Prasad's "Hair Regeneration" treatment in New York (this guys should honestly be put in jail for making these claims, complete snake oil). This miracle injection featured A Cell AND PRP (WOW) as he claimed it halted and in some cases reversed hairloss all together. I was sold and flew to New York within a month, paid the $15 000 up front, got the injection, and slowly but surely thinned some more only this time more rapidly. By a few months time, I knew it was failure and I needed to try something else. Next thing I know I'm on a plane to Boston getting A Cell + Adipose Derived Stem Cells injected into my scalp (I have the lipo scars to prove it) and finally my hair would be saved. Of course, this was not the case, however the only saving grace was that the Dr. in Boston kept recommending finasteride. It took my a few more months to finally bite the bullet and get on the drug. Been on it for about 2 years, with a brief stint of Dutasteride until my doctor felt uneasy about that one, and I halted everything to a snails pace at long last. Of course after all of these experiences with Dr's who "have my best interest in mind", I remain skeptical of everyone and everything until I am proven otherwise (on my own scalp that is). Finally deciding to get a hair transplant was not a task I took lightly. I got to the same point as everyone on this forum does, an inflection point where you choose to suffer and wear hats 24/7, or take a step towards fixing the situation as scary as it may seem. I researched thoroughly for about a year, combing through result after result, and was conflicted between Hasson and Wong and RAHAL. I was able to meet three Rahal patients before my surgery, and the results spoke for themselves. There was also one bad H and W result floating around that ultimately confirmed my choice, and I chose Rahal and FUT to maximize my yield since I am young and want to conserve as many grafts as possible. I was assured during consultation by Sita, some of you may know here here, that Dr. Rahal has close to 100% yield and I believed (and still believe) her words. I don't want to go into details about the surgery itself as I plan to do a big one year post to look back on the last year, I hope in fondness. There's really no point in delving too deep into the minutia of anything until at least that date. It could have been the best time of life or not but that doesn't change the only thing that matters: the end results. I would like to bring attention to a few concerns I've had along the way in hopes of getting some feedback from members who I'm sure have shared my sentiments at some point. I was grafted at approximately 40 grafts/cm squared (roughly 70+ hairs per cm). In my opinion, this would provide me with the coverage I am after, however after my 10 hour surgery, Dr. Rahal did mention it may look thin in some instances. Though I appreciate the honesty, it did get my mind spinning especially after what I had just endured moments before. I reached out to Dr. Nadimi at around 3 months to get her opinion on what that may look like, and her feelings were quite the contrary as she assured me that in the area I showed her, 3000+ grafts would indeed provide a pretty dense result. This may simply be a difference in opinion between the two doctors, but of course contrary information leads the mind to wander. Does anyone know or have a result similar to 40 grafts/cm and like to comment on how that appears in person? I would like point out that my reaching out to Dr. Nadimi is in no way a slight to my trust in Dr. Rahal. I would not have gone to any clinic if I did not have the utmost conviction in their ability to produce a good result. It is merely me as a patient seeking a second opinion on a matter that concerns me, and that's it. In now way does it reflect any negative connotation towards Dr. Rahal and the credibility of the clinic. Unlike many threads I've looked at, my grafts were very scabbed over within 5-7 days of my surgery. Many of the hairs had definitely released themselves from their respective follicle at that point, so I never really got to see a 'buzzcut' representation of what I should expect before the shedding phase as is common among this forum, particularly with Asmed patients. Having not seen too many similar examples, I questioned whether those grafts has survived or not, but have been assured that there is no real way to know until the final result. I've read from a few different doctors online that the visual presence of grafts in the scalp about a week after surgery is a sign they have survived, so naturally it has been on my mind somewhat. My surgery took just over 10 hours. After the surgery, the clinic's lead technician Mike commented on the procedure was like placing "9000 grafts instead of 3000" because my skin was quite slippery and as a graft was placed, the adjacent grafts would slip out. Dr. Rahal has himself said this may slightly affect yield, but other Dr.s on realself say they have never heard of this phenomenon and attribute that to poor skill of implanters. Of course, I know this is not the case at a clinic with the reputation of RAHAL, but would like to know if other patients have experienced a similar thing and how everything turned out for them? Lastly, at approximately 1month post op, I went into the clinic (I live in Ottawa) to see if Larissa (my patient advisor) could try and apply some topik to the persisting redness of my scalp as I had a few job interviews coming up (for anyone in a similar position, the redness went completely unnoticeable and was not a factorv whatseover). The topik looked absolutely ridiculous and I wanted to rub it off almost right away. She proceeded to use an alcohol wipe to hasten the process, but her rubbing was very hard and did hurt my scalp quite a lot. Obviously after looking after transplanted area with extreme care for the previous month, being SUPER, SUPER gentle the entire time, I was very concerned with whether the pain and tingling I felt would affect the grafts. I've read many times before the clinics such as Asmed and Lorenzo say not to even use clippers for the first 6 months as it could damage the area, but I'm not sure how necessary that really is. Larissa and Dr. Rahal assured me that the grafts were deep within the skin and could not be harmed, but I'm sure you can agree that any painful sensation on a newly grafted area is worrisome at the least. Anyone have any thoughts as to what they have heard from their respective clinics, if anything at all? As for those results, I wanted to hold off on starting a thread until I had something closer to the final thread, but there seems to be a lack of posts by actual Dr. Rahal patients, so I figured this would as good as any for prospective patients looking to track a result as it dues completion. It's tough to comment on my progress in terms of percentage of total grafts sprouted (doesn't appear to be 50% if looking by grafts/cm as most have well below 20 atm), I'll let my pictures show everything and the forum can decide objectively how it's looking. I will say that I appear to be a very slow and gradual grower, so I'm just letting time do its trick for the time being. I have read and seen many results that improve night to day between 6-7 months and a year or later, so I am hoping I am on track for the same. It's easy to get fixated on those that are early growers, so for now I'd prefer to spread positive vibes. This procedure is does not come free of anxiety, we all know that, but I gain solace in knowing that this clinic performs multiple surgeries each and every week and has been for the last 15+ years. They are masters and though the process may be long, they know what they are doing. The following pictures start with my pre-op photos, then post-op, 7-days post op (scabbing), a dr. frietas result at 10 days that shows what I mean about being able to see the majority of individual hairs still attached to their grafts before they shed, and finally photos photos taken by me at 6 months. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts on the progress so far.
  12. Amazing replies. This is a Hasson and Wong photos stolen and posted by a medical tourist company that uses Dr. Cinik. They changed the photo because I talked to there many rep for Italy and told him. This is why I posted in screenshot. Eagle travel continues to sell transplant for Dr. Cinik. Rather than ask them to change the picture why not do the ethical thing and discontinue all affiliation to Eagle travel.
  13. I normally do not like to get involved with the politics of the hair industry. Dr. Cinik hires company to recruit patients that like to steal photos from other clinics. http://www.eagle-travel.com/item/370/hair-transplant You will see this link where a Hasson and Wong patient is used and stated that one of the two surgeons is Dr. Cinik, I have enclosed the screenshot,.
  14. Hi Shera, Appreciate the well thought out response. I think you made some good points but noted a few points that need to be clarified. Yes, all the time. Not sure if this is unique to the U.S., though I suspect you're feigning ignorance to prove a point, but yes 100% refunds are a customary thing--especially in the case a good or service doesn't perform how you expected. As an example, I returned a laptop charger last week for the simple fact that I changed my mind about wanting it. Full refund. A more similar comparison would be buying a new car--which comes with an explicit multi-year warranty and often buyback provisions that guarantee the resale price. An exact comparable situation would be the dozens of ethical doctors (especially the ones recommended on this site) who stand by their work and offer 100% refunds in the case of poor growth. Check out Legend's recent HT with Dr. Hasson where Dr. Hasson put it in writing that Legend could get a refund if growth didn't meet or exceed 90%. A bold move by the doc, but he's an awesome doctor so why would he need to be a pussy when it comes to the likelihood of a successful result? https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/52968-legends-ht-with-h-n-w-2500-fue/ Also, the use of the word "quite" in "not quite up to our expectations" is disingenuous when referring to the dog shit result this patient got. Should a patient be penalized for factors out of his/her control? If the patient doesn't follow post-op instructions that's one thing, but to just generally blame the patient's physiology seems like a lazy way to avoid taking responsibility. If the doctor decided the patient was physiologically fit to undergo the procedure then the doctor should also take some responsibility if that turns out to be an error of judgment. I've never seen post-op instructions that say "avoid stress for the next year". Obviously avoiding stress during recovery is a good thing, but the idea that it materially affects a patient's results should be backed by some kind of evidence if it's going to be used as a valid argument. Again, I think you're feigning ignorance on this. Is it really that confusing why a patient would not want to undergo a procedure with a doctor that already produced a bad result on them? Even if it's the best doctor in the world, something about that procedure by that doctor did not work for that specific patient. Maybe it was the punch size, use or lack of use of PRP/Amniofill/A-Cell, or something completely different. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Not sure why this is a hard concept for you to grasp. Ultimately--I'm not saying that the clinic should necessarily give the patient a full refund (though I think that would be a good gesture), but the idea that the patient should assume all of the risk for a procedure turning out poorly is ridiculous. There should be some shared accountability.
  15. Hi all, Recently I've been really narrowing down my options, and will be looking to get a HT this year. Initially, I didn't know where to start, but now, thanks to this forum, I almost don't know who to choose. This wonderful forum has shown me so many great surgeons I had never even heard of. Ideally, I would love to visit Hasson and Wong, but their cost is quite high, at 8$ & 6$ USD per graft (I am an Australian, and the conversion makes me cry). I was tossing up between LA Fue Clinic, Keser, and Dr. Pradeep Sethi at Eugenix, just to name a few. I guess my main question is, when choosing your final surgeon, what specifically tipped the scales in their favour for those that have had transplants? I'm looking for some tools to narrow down my options, it's become very hard to bite the bullet and choose someone. Thanks everyone!
  16. I would think H&W primarily does FUT, but they also do a lot of FUE. It really depends on the patient as far as coverage needed, donor hair, economics/FUE is more labor intensive thus more expensive, and other factors. Hasson/Wong has performed two FUT's on me and Dr. Wong stated if I have another transplant it needs to be a FUE procedure. I will probably have one more surgery with Hasson/Wong and it will be my first FUE. I really don't look forward to the long face-down time in the chair for a FUE surgery and the additional expense of FUE.....but at my age and my surgery history I have no choice but FUE.
  17. IDK if Hasson & Wong use WAW in their clinic, but Dr. Wong has demonstrated it along side Devroye and raved about it on the H&W blog. Also agree with Legend and Melvin that consistency and quality of results is most important. OP, if your goal is to minimize trauma and scarring in donor then look for clinics that consistently show the least signs of surgery in the fully healed donor area in patient posted results. New tools/techniques are continually developed and top surgeons employ different tools/techniques depending on the case.
  18. Your hairline looks great, did Dr. Hasson have any objection of making your hairline like that as it looks to be more straight than the v-peak shape he normally does? Im hoping to get something similar to your hairline and hopefully he's nice enough to not object to the non-v shape look and go more towards a straighter line.
  19. Hi Spidey, your hairline looks very well designed. I noticed Dr. Hasson usually goes with a v-shape and more mature look, was this what he recommended as well before you decided to change it to the one you wanted? I am also looking at Dr. Hasson or Dr. Diep but i live locally in Vancouver as well.
  20. I imagine this design has been adopted to avoid an "unnatural" hairline. Most men experience hairloss through the course of their lives. Having the hairline of an eighteen year old (without the matching density or other aesthetics) would probably look fake. But I'm really just speculating on the reasons for a "more mature" hairline ... you asked if Dr. Hasson would ever alter his design. For the answer to that question, I suggest you ask the doctor himself 😉
  21. I noticed alot of Dr. Hasson's hair design are all quite similar and more of a mature look with a V-Shape, by any chance does anyone know if he had ever venture into a more straight line or non V-shape for a youther look?
  22. Personally I would only use a doctor that does hair transplants full-time and does not offer other cosmetic surgeries. Dr. Arocha and Dr. Armani I believe only do hair transplants. Dr. Lam seems like a very nice guy and is passionate about his work but at the time I met him he had to fly in his one technician when he performed hair transplants. Experienced technicians are a very important part of having a successful hair transplant. For example look at the picture below showing the large staff/technicians that work at Hasson/Wong. For me the patient it was very comforting to see a staff that deep built for doing nothing but hair transplants.
  23. Spanker, hairlossPA, Triple7, HTO416, BicTNYC, thanks for all the nice comments! Triple7, Dr. Hasson estimates around 3,000 grafts left in the bank via FUE.
  24. Vancouver area patient in his late 40’s had finer hair with diffused thinning heading for a stage 6. Hoping for as many grafts as possible and something north of 4,000, his above average density enabled Dr. Hasson and team to harvest 6514 grafts via FUT to rebuild a new hairline and frontal zone, restore the mid-scalp and work back into the crown. 1969 were single hair grafts, 4162 were doubles and 383 were 3-4 hair grafts. These photos were taken 3 years post-op.
  25. I've narrowed my search down to Hattingen and Dr. Rahal. Had a consult with Hasson & Wong, that didn't go too great. Nothing to do with my expectations or theirs (my expectations were actually quite modest as compared to theirs to be honest) but felt it just isn't the place for me. Consulting with Rahal and Hattingen later this week. One thing about Rahal is you can find loads of first hand patient accounts. Since Hattingen is located in Europe, it is really hard to find any person that has gone to them and shared their experience. Anyone know of anyone, even if there has been forums outside of the HTN that have patient experiences with Hattingen?
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