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  1. Jon, I also had my prcedure 6 1/2 weeks ago by Dr. Hasson and I'm also starting to see some new hair grow. I shave my head at #1 1/2 and although you can see a line where the scar is, the scar itself is not to noticable from a distance. Just wondering how your scar looks. I'm in the market for a digital camera so i plan to post some picks this month. Right now I've been taking pictures with a regular camera. Also, when you talk about elasticity, what exactly does that mean and how can you tell if your own skin has good elasticity? Thanks, So Far So Good
  2. Today, I'm seven days post-op from my hair transplant with Dr. Wong of Hasson and Wong. Here follows a brief bit of history about me and the path I traveled to my hair transplant on May 1 in Vancouver, British Columbia. I have read the board for many months, but this is my first post. Want to thank everyone on the board for sharing their personal experiences and other information regarding hair transplantation. Much appreciated. Here's my hair loss and hair transplant story. Hope you enjoy it. I'm 40 years old and probably started loosing my hair when I was 28. Not a lot at first. I didn't realize I was loosing my hair until my mom mentioned something to me one day after I returned home from working in Japan for three years. I thought she was just screwing with me, but in short order I realize she wasn't. In 1999, my hair loss had progressed to the point that I was definitely not happy about my appearance. But what to do? I had heard about Rogaine and Propecia, but I really didn't want to use any type of drugs to stop hair loss or possibly help it grow back, so that wasn't an option for me. I had heard about hair transplants, but didn't have any real knowledge about it. Plus, I couldn't see myself having surgery to improve my appearance. I figured I'd just be a man about the whole thing and except it. And the whole idea of wearing a hairpiece, wig, or getting a weave was totally out of the question. I had seen plenty of these things on men's heads and I thought it looked worst than being bald. Well, one day after a round of golf in the summer of 1999, I came home and crashed on the couch. When I woke up, I started itching my balding crown area. While doing this an informerical came on the tube. The advertisement was for the Hair Club for Men. Oddly enough, I watched the whole thing. I really thought these guys looked great. What's that phrase, "Never say never." Within a month, I was sporting a full head of hair. Damn, look at that "handsome" man over there. LOL. To be honest, I though it looked pretty good, most of the time. And it did fool many people, especially the girls that I started meeting and dating as a result of having a full head of hair. But I was never completely comfortable with it and as any one knows who has worn one, they are a pain in the ass. After about two year, I said enough is enough and decided I wanted to get rid of it. Well, easier said than done. As I stated previously, while toting my new locks around, I started meeting some nice girls, all Asians I might add because I'm an Asiaholic, but that's for another board. I eventually started dating a beautiful Chinese-America girl who ended up becoming my girlfriend. The "rug" fooled her completely. She didn't know the real deal until the first time we, well you know, slipped between the sheets together. Everything was moving along fine that evening until she started to grab my nice full head of hair. Needless to say, it was an odd situation. Here we are in the heat of passion and I have to stop to tell her not to pull too hard on my beautiful head of hair. Sorry, but I had to share that experience with you. It's quite funny now for both of us. Anyway, she liked the hair piece and didn't mind it one bit. When I brought up the idea of getting rid of it, she was totally against it. I eventually convinced her I had to get rid of the rug though, but it wasn't an easy task. Why? What a rhetorical question. Girls like men with hair, period. When I finally said goodbye to the "hairy beast", I was a happy camper, at least for a while. After I had the hair removed, I shaved my head. My girlfriend hated that look and quite frankly, I did too, even though the shaved head look is envogue. My hair finally grew back in, what little I had left of it, and it looked, well, like hell. When I started my hair transplant research I found out I was rated about a 5 on the hair loss scale. If I had only been born a hotel, a 5 star rating.... Up until that point in my life, I had not given the idea of a hair transplant much of a thought. But when I looked in the mirror, I wasn't happy with what I saw and as you probably guessed, my girlfriend wasn't either. One night as we are watching Survivor, she mentioned the idea of a hair transplant. "What did you say," I replied. Again, I'm reminded of that most wonderful phrase, "Never say never," because that's what I told her. The whole idea of having my scalp cut open to better my appearance seemed, well ridiculous, and to pay someone a nice chuck of change to do such a thing was absolutely, again, ridiculous. Women have power, as the saying goes, and they can be quite persuasive at times. Don't get me wrong, I'm a man and I do my own thing (you know where I'm coming from right) and I would have probably ended up getting a hair transplant without my girlfriend's encouragement, but it would have taken me much longer to do it had it not been for her. So, I must give her credit; She got me interested enough, read as persuaded me and throw the concept of sex in there too, to at least research the issue. At first the research was a complete attempt on my part to pacify her. I figured after she looked at my balding skull for a few months she would come to love my shiny little noggin. WRONG! So let's refresh our memories here: Never say never, girls like hair, and women have power, remember the concept of sex. Oh yeah, and that old clich???©, you can't live with them and you can't live without them, Doh!!! Also and pardon, the pun, Hair today, and gone tomorrow. I'll tell you up front that after I completed my research into the topic of hair transplantation, I saw four different doctors. By the way, and this is a significant point for me in the totality of my story, I live in the Washington, DC metropolitan area. Like many other balding souls, my first consultation with a doctor about a hair transplant was with a doctor from the Bosley Group in Philly. Can't remember the name of the doctor with whom I spoke, but he was very nice and addressed all my questions and I must admit I was quite impressed with the whole set-up at the Bosley office. I actually went as far as scheduling a date for surgery with them. I was a happy camper, well, until I happened upon this site. That's when I realized that Bosley wasn't for me for a number of reasons. For a 1500 hair procedure I was quoted a price of just over $12,000 smacks. This site was a god send for me. Like many others who found this site, I became a bit of an addict for the "drug" of information regarding hair transplantation. After reading about everything on this site and some reading on the baldtruth site, I made appointments with three other doctors. These doctors were Dr. Vogel (Baltimore, MD); Dr. Wong (Vancouver, BC), and finally Dr. Shapiro, we all know where he resides thanks to Pat. Anyway, I saw all of these doctors and was impressed with all of them. For guy or gals in the Baltimore area who want a good transplant, but aren't willing to travel, I do recommend Dr. Vogel, even though I didn't select him. He has a good reputation, great facilities and staff. He does not do hair transplant exclusively, but a major part of his plastic surgery business, around 45-50 percent, is devoted to hair transplant. I wasn't put off by that myself, but since this was my first transplant, I wanted to get as much hair as I possible could and he was only willing to do around 1500 hairs. If I remember correctly, and I think I have, the cost for that amount was about $6,000. Again, for those not wishing to traveling too far and who may be looking for smaller graft sessions in the DC/Baltimore area, I don't think you can go wrong, if you selected Dr. Vogel as your surgeon. By the way, if you are interested, I was classified as about a 5 on the hair loss scale thing. Also, while I was at Dr. Vogel's office, I saw two of his patients, one who just finished a procedure, ironically from Seattle, and the other from the local area who came back for a check-up. Both were happy with Dr. Vogel and each told me that he came highly recommended. After seeing Dr. Vogel, and I told him I was going to see Dr. Wong and Dr. Shapiro during my visit with him, I flew to Vancouver for a consultation with Dr. Wong. Here's the story behind why I flew up to see him for a consultation at my cost by the way. First, I had read many positive things about Hasson and Wong on this site so I was really impressed. But I must tell you, I was a little skeptical about all the positive information regarding Hasson and Wong and for that matter Dr. Shapiro. Why? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that anyone, read as an operative of any doctor, could be writing all this positive stuff to put asses in chairs for financial benefit. But after reading everything and then talking to Mike, the main man out of Hasson and Wong's Seattle office, I decided to go up for a visit. Mike tried to get me to book a date for surgery without a prior visit like some other guys have done, but I told him point blank there was no way in hell that I would do that. Anyone who was going to have the good pleasure to slice my scalp open was going to get a good once over my by me. So I made the appointment for the consultation and flew up on an overnight trip. Like Arfy has said several times on this site, if you were looking for a heart surgeon you would look for the best, so I figured my head was worth the price of a ticket, hotel and eats to go to Vancouver. Plus, I've been to Vancouver before and it is a beautiful place, so this just gave me the chance to go back, albeit for a short period of time. Visit with Dr. Wong went great. I spent about one hour with him talking about hair transplantation and personal issues. I saw tons of photos of past work and had already been given connect numbers for past patients from Mike. Why did I see Dr. Wong instead of Dr. Hasson? Two reasons. My girlfriend is Chinese-American and is a microbiologist and works with a wide variety of doctors, and in her opinion, Asian doctors have better hands than Caucasian doctors. Is this really true? Hell if I know. I even told Dr. Wong that and he laughed and said race had nothing to do with the skill of a surgeon. He is probably right, but that was one of the reasons why I chose to see Dr. Wong. The other reason and I'll state the main reason why I picked Dr. Wong over Dr. Hasson was due to Jotronic's website and experience with Dr. Wong. It is really hard to put into words, and as you can see I have no problem rattling on here, but Jotronic's experience did something to me and I just felt like Dr. Wong was the right choice for me. After meeting Dr. Wong, he sold himself. When I flew home I still had a consultation with Dr. Shapiro scheduled, but I sort of knew somehow that Dr. Wong would be the doctor for me. I made the trip to see Dr. Shapiro and again was very impressed with him, his staff, and facilities, but Dr. Wong in the end was the doctor with whom I felt the most comfortable. Also, to be quite frank, I didn't give a damn about my girlfriend's desire to see me have surgery by an Asian doctor. I love her, but it was going to be my ass and scalp on the line and not her's so don't even think that I picked Dr. Wong because of her desire to see me use an Asian doctor. She was indeed the key motivating force behind me getting a hair transplant but nothing else, period. I scheduled my hair transplant surgery for May 1. Hasson and Wong paid for my flight and picked up the tab for two nights at the Grandville Island Hotel for my girlfriend and me, nice place by the way, and just a stones throw away from the office. Dr. Wong and I agreed to be aggressive and to get as many FU's as possible and he thought he could probably harvest around 3000 hairs, safely. After all he was dealing with virgin territory and my scalp had plenty of laxity. I won't bore you with a repeat of the day of the surgery type stuff. I'll just conclude my story by saying that I arrive at 6:15am and left around 3:45pm with just over 2900 new hairs grafted into my 40 year old scalp. I don't remember the total number of grafts; I do remember I had 723 single hair grafts place in the front portion of my head to create my new hairline and these 723 grafts extended back a couple inches. Total cost for the 2900+ hair procedure (think it was 2914) was almost $9,600, this cost includes the $120 for the Graft Cyte spray and the 6 or 7% GST tax, which only applied to the balance after surgery and did not apply to the $500 deposit. Until that day, I had never had any type of surgery , so I was definitely concerned, but everything went well. Very minor pain, if you want to call it that, from the injections to deaden everything. Taking the donor strip out was pain free. Dr. Wong has a great staff by the way. Watched a couple flicks during the procedure, Pulp Fiction (saw before but one of my favorites) while Dr. Wong and his lovely staff got "medieval on my ass." LOL. Anyway, I have nothing but positive words for Dr. Wong and as you would expect, I highly recommend him. I did purchase the Graft Cyte spray and I also recommend it as others have. My girlfriend will be yanking the staples out my noggin Friday night after I down several glasses of wine (might as well do a little self medicating for the procedure), so with that and after four more pictures are taken on my roll of film, I will post a few pics for everyone's viewing pleasure. I have to say that I feel great about my decision and I also feel great physically. I love rubbing my hand against the top of my new hair. It feels great. I can only imagine what it is going to feel like to shampoo my new hair after in growing in well in the next 8-12 months. It is day seven post-op and almost all my scabs are gone. I have had minimal swelling. At first, in the center of my forehead, then to the sides and a little in my nose area, but not too much. By the way, Dr. Wong shaved all the hair on top of my head and crown area since I was doing such a large procedure. I'm glad I allowed him to do it too. So far, I show no signs of shock-loss, which is a big issue for very one. Of course, it is early and I may still have to deal with shock-loss. Time will tell. Dr. Wong told me he would be very surprised if I had any because it was my first procedure and the amount of laxity in my scalp before surgery was quite significant. By the way, I'm now taking Proscar. Started taking that after seeing Dr. Wong for my consultation about a month before my surgery. Unlike most of the guys on this board, I have been totally up front about my hair transplant with all my friends, family, and colleagues. It is the only way to go in my opinion. If these people can't be supportive about my decision to improve my appearance, I frankly don't give a damn, so I don't care whether they agree with my decision or not. I have not returned to work yet and will be off the rest of the week so I can relax. Well, I'm sure I've written more than I should. But if anyone has any questions, please feel free to post something to the board, or email me at bartus79@hotmail.com. To prove I'm not a Hasson and Wong hack, if you really want to talk to me, you can call my cell phone number, which has a DC area code to prove the point that I live here and not in the Seattle/Vancouver area. Here's the number: 202-255-9877. Have at it. If you call me, great, but please call between 10:00-11:00 pm east coast time. If I don't answer (which is most likely since I don't use my cell phone too much and it is normally off at night), just leave your name and number and I will call you back in a day or two in the early evening, on your dime of course. If you want to call me back after I call you collect, that will be fine with me. For those out there seriously thinking about a hair transplant, I'll use the Nike slogan to motivate you, "Just Do It." Of course, I caveat that by saying get a good doctor, one with a good reputation and one with whom you feel comfortable. One finally public remark. Jotronic, your website and experience really paved the way for me to select Dr. Wong as my hair transplant surgeon. You have a great site and you and others like you need to be commended. Thanks so much. Also, thanks to all other Hasson and Wong patients who posted their experience. All of them were important to me. Thank you all. I love the internet. Information is power. Best Wishes To All, Allen P.S. Early SuperBowl prediction: Dolphins Beat Redskins, 28-27. Ricky Williams plunges over the goal line with seconds remaining to seal the victory. Ok, I'm biased. What can I say. Good luck to everyone's team this upcoming season.
  3. Slim, Glad to hear of other satisfied HT patients. I too have been very happy with my results. I had 2000 FU's done by Dr. Hasson of Hasson & Wong back in August ('01) and like you did the "fill in" between my existing hairs before I went bald in the front & top. No one noticed, and now I have a slightly fuller look than before, even after the loss of the previously thinning hair. The best thing is knowing I get to keep this hair for a lifetime! Way to go & good luck! Rick
  4. I have responded once to a question someone had about Dr. Wong. I thought I might expand on my experience for those of you interested. I am a 38 year old male who just had a hair transplant surgery with Dr. Wong of Hasson and Wong. I had a small thinning spot on the top of my head in the back and thinning on the front hairline. When I first started becoming concerned about my hair loss about two years ago, I did a little looking around and found Hasson and Wong in Seattle. I talked with Mike over the phone and he was very helpful and gave me the idea that I should be using Propecia. It worked really well and I have halted my hair loss over the past two years. After further research and my past experience with the way I was treated with Mike, I decided to move forward with a transplant. Dr. Wong decided to work on the frontal hairline first and then see about a few grafts for the crown. I ended up with around 900 grafts up front and 200 in the crown. What I especially liked was Dr. Wong's wiliness to take care of my crown. It wasn't my main focus going in, but it was still a concern and I am very happy that it was filled in. I was surprised at how easy and painless it was. From the start of the procedure until now (over four weeks later), I had one slight headache that was gone in a half hour after one Tylenol. I had Dr. Wong and five technicians working on me and it took about five hours. It went by pretty quickly. You can watch TV or movies during the surgery. After surgery, I drove myself back to Seattle. For the first few days there were small scabs on the grafted area. After about six or seven days, they fell off. What I saw after the sixth or seventh day amazed me the most. Dr. Wong placed grafts in between my existing hair. No one knows what has been done unless I tell them. I thought I would keep it a secret to most, but I find myself showing everyone because I am excited at how good it looks.
  5. I have responded once to a question someone had about Dr. Wong. I thought I might expand on my experience for those of you interested. I am a 38 year old male who just had a hair transplant surgery with Dr. Wong of Hasson and Wong. I had a small thinning spot on the top of my head in the back and thinning on the front hairline. When I first started becoming concerned about my hair loss about two years ago, I did a little looking around and found Hasson and Wong in Seattle. I talked with Mike over the phone and he was very helpful and gave me the idea that I should be using Propecia. It worked really well and I have halted my hair loss over the past two years. After further research and my past experience with the way I was treated with Mike, I decided to move forward with a transplant. Dr. Wong decided to work on the frontal hairline first and then see about a few grafts for the crown. I ended up with around 900 grafts up front and 200 in the crown. What I especially liked was Dr. Wong's wiliness to take care of my crown. It wasn't my main focus going in, but it was still a concern and I am very happy that it was filled in. I was surprised at how easy and painless it was. From the start of the procedure until now (over four weeks later), I had one slight headache that was gone in a half hour after one Tylenol. I had Dr. Wong and five technicians working on me and it took about five hours. It went by pretty quickly. You can watch TV or movies during the surgery. After surgery, I drove myself back to Seattle. For the first few days there were small scabs on the grafted area. After about six or seven days, they fell off. What I saw after the sixth or seventh day amazed me the most. Dr. Wong placed grafts in between my existing hair. No one knows what has been done unless I tell them. I thought I would keep it a secret to most, but I find myself showing everyone because I am excited at how good it looks.
  6. No scarring at all in the recipient area. Some shock fallout (which is normal) around the donor area but it all grew back within 6 months. My crown area was virtually skin bald so I didn't have to worry about shock fallout there(smile). My frontal area where most of the transplants occurred had only a few hundred weak, dying hairs left that wouldn't grow longer than 1 1/2 inches and MAY have suffered shock fallout (I really can't tell) but they are/were doomed to fall out regardless. The area between the front and the crown (I'd say about a 2" wide band) received no transplants as the hair density is still sufficient (although thinning). I would guesstimate that 1500FU's would leave a scar about 8" long. The redness in the recipient area lasted about 8-10 weeks. I wouldn't worry about failure but I suspect you are nervous (I bloody well was my first session probably because I read too many botched job stories on the internet). It's really, really important to sign on with a skilled doctor with lots of transplant experience under his belt and I'm convinced you'd be pleased with Dr. Hasson's work. Cheers
  7. Brennan, I have been trying to get some answers from the other site concerning Hasson and Wong with some luck but I would like some more details. I'm considering a procedure w/ Dr. Hasson. Can you tell me if you are experiencing any scarring in the recipient areas. I ask this because I would like to have the option of shaving my head if the procedure fails. Have you experienced any shock fallout of other healthy hair due to the procedure? How long does the redness last in the recipient areas? How big of a scar would I experince if I did 1500 FU's? (Your guestimate) Thanks for your info and your willingness to answer questions. I am very interested in doing this procedure but considering all the possibilities if the procedure were to fail.
  8. I've had 3 sessions with Dr. Hasson over a 2 year period and will have my fourth and final session within a month's time. The first session involved 1325 grafts (975 in the front, 350 in the crown); the second session involved 1250 grafts (925 front, 325 crown); the third session involved 1065 grafts in the front (MY DECISION to lower the hairline about 1/2 inch). Dr. Hasson was quite satisfied with my results and height of hairline after the first 2 sessions but I'm a fussy guy and put my foot down when it came to lowering the hairline for a third session (he was reluctant and thought I was being too fussy but I did still had a good supply of good donor hair(and not everybody does). So far I am 100% satisfied with results-in fact I'm really quite amazed. It's been worth every nickle. Forget about propecia, rogaine and hairpieces if you have the money (or even if you don't-borrow it!) I checked out 3 different clinics in Vancouver and only Hasson and Wong specialize in HT surgery. The other clinics do it in conjunction with other plastic surgery techniques and I felt didn't have the expertise I was looking for. (I also checked out Boseley in Seattle but they were much more expensive and I'm very sceptical about their infomercial spread). I was one of the lucky 5-10% of recipients in my first 2 sessions whose transplanted hair kept growing after surgery but with my third session the transplants did fall out after 4 weeks and took a while to start growing. (no one knows for sure why these things happen). Dr. Hasson's minimum waiting period between sessions is 6-8 months (my waiting period between session 1 and session 2 was 6 months; between session 2 and 3, 11 months because I decided to lower the hairline); so when I went in for a check-up after 6 months between my third and fourth sessions and he said it was too soon and to wait another couple of months. Professional and non greedy-he definitely wants good results and seems quite passionate about his work. As for the guys whining slightly about the pain involved with the staple removal I have to laugh-it's about 3 minutes of discomfort for a lifetime of gain-think about it! Plus it leaves a virtually undetectable scar-even my hair stylist struggled vainly to find it. Also, even after 4 sessions I will be left with only one scar line-not too bad considering other surgeons over the years leave you with multiple scar lines. Anyway, if anyone has any questions regarding my experiences or with Dr. Hasson feel free to ask. Cheers
  9. Dr. Hasson made all the recipient sites. Two of his assistants (technicians) inserted the follicular units. Dr. Hasson checked on the quality of their work periodically. He was not always in the room. They all treated me very well. It has been 6 months and it is looking better all the time. I am very pleased I had the work done. I'll try to post some pictures soon, when I figure out how. I don't have a digital camera. "
  10. I suppose one could get the staples removed by Dr. Hasson if you lived close by. I had the representative at their Seattle office remove mine. No one recommended it, but maybe taking a pain pill beforehand would have taken the sting out of the staple removal.t
  11. Dr. Hasson made all the incisions in the donor area. His technicians (or whatever they are called) dissected the donor strip under a microscope into thin slices. Using the microscope prevents damage to the follicular units. The slices are then cut into the FU's, which are then inserted by the technicians.
  12. Doug :Tell us more about Hasson&Wong? Did Dr.Hasson or Wong make all the recipent sites and place some,most or all of the FU's?Who took out your staples?
  13. has anyone had any experiences with dr. victor loria at eastwood medical in new york.I'm considering him for surgery and I would like to hear any feedback anyone may have. Note from Pat - editor - I edited this post by adding Dr. Loria?‚??s name to the title so it would provide a meaningful topic header. [This message was edited by Pat - editor and "Recovered Bald Guy" on November 02, 2001 at 12:11 PM.]
  14. has anyone had any experiences with dr. victor loria at eastwood medical in new york.I'm considering him for surgery and I would like to hear any feedback anyone may have. Note from Pat - editor - I edited this post by adding Dr. Loria?‚??s name to the title so it would provide a meaningful topic header. [This message was edited by Pat - editor and "Recovered Bald Guy" on November 02, 2001 at 12:11 PM.]
  15. Note - This message was recopied by Pat the editor from the original discussion group to this vastly improved online community. The name of orginal poster and the date posted are listed below: From: doug h Date: 7/4/01 Time: 12:30:49 AM Remote Name: 4.40.61.124 Comments I saw the Bosley infomercial. I had a consultation & was convinced. I did no research. I had 1600 grafts 10/2000 for $10,600. I was pleased also, until I did research and found out Bosley is too expensive and slightly behind the times. I had my second procedure by Dr. Victor Hasson at Hasson & Wong in Vancouver, B.C. 1530 grafts for $6,000. The differences were significant. At Hasson & Wong: the procedure was significantly less painful, the price was more reasonable with 1/2 paid ahead instead of full payment required ahead. The price was $4/graft for up to 1500, $2/graft for any over 1500! (He has done some procedures of 2400 to 3000 grafts in one session, first session. It was my second, so scalp elasticity limited the number for me.) The instrument used to cut the recipient sites was smaller (I could hear the difference). They also were willing (able)to put grafts in my temples. Bosley wouldn't do that, I was told I would look like an orangutan. Another vital difference. I paid for EXACTLY 1600 grafts at Bosley. I asked what if the number they actually get is different? (You know it will be). They Mumbled, hemmed and hawed and did everything but answer the question. You know, of course, what the answer was. If they got fewer than 1600 follicular units, they would HAVE TO cut the ones with 2,3 or four hairs into single hairs in order to fill up the prepunched 1600 holes. Either that or leave holes unfilled and gaps in the pattern, which I have a bit of in the crown. I was told no more holes would be cut, so if they got more than 1600 grafts then either singles were placed together into single sites or they were thrown away. The key is, they would not answer my question, except to say, "It works out". Tell me, does that sound like the best in the business??? Dr. Hasson cuts most of the recipient sites but stops short, waits for the EXACT count of follicular units, and then cuts EXACTLY that many sites. Then, That is what you are charged for.No other method is acceptable or honest. Also, one technician uses a microscope to dissect across the donor strip, obtaining squarish layers one follicular unit thick, which are then layed out flat and further dissected into follicular units by others. Thay claim to get 20-30% higher yield than without the microscope. I saw no microscope at Bosley. Another thing about Bosley. Although they will give you references to call, they will never let you see a patient in the clinic. They have a secret exit door down the hall from the entrance. If anyone else is in the clinic, they wait until the "coast is clear" before they let you leave the room. They also have a separate entrance for returning patients. No patients ever see each other. They say it's for privacy. In contrast, Hasson & Wong's clinic and the consultation office in Seattle were both very open & unembarassed, no skulking about or secret doors. I hope this helps those searching for a good surgeon.
  16. Note - This message was recopied by Pat the editor from the original discussion group to this vastly improved online community. The name of orginal poster and the date posted are listed below: From: doug h Date: 7/4/01 Time: 12:30:49 AM Remote Name: 4.40.61.124 Comments I saw the Bosley infomercial. I had a consultation & was convinced. I did no research. I had 1600 grafts 10/2000 for $10,600. I was pleased also, until I did research and found out Bosley is too expensive and slightly behind the times. I had my second procedure by Dr. Victor Hasson at Hasson & Wong in Vancouver, B.C. 1530 grafts for $6,000. The differences were significant. At Hasson & Wong: the procedure was significantly less painful, the price was more reasonable with 1/2 paid ahead instead of full payment required ahead. The price was $4/graft for up to 1500, $2/graft for any over 1500! (He has done some procedures of 2400 to 3000 grafts in one session, first session. It was my second, so scalp elasticity limited the number for me.) The instrument used to cut the recipient sites was smaller (I could hear the difference). They also were willing (able)to put grafts in my temples. Bosley wouldn't do that, I was told I would look like an orangutan. Another vital difference. I paid for EXACTLY 1600 grafts at Bosley. I asked what if the number they actually get is different? (You know it will be). They Mumbled, hemmed and hawed and did everything but answer the question. You know, of course, what the answer was. If they got fewer than 1600 follicular units, they would HAVE TO cut the ones with 2,3 or four hairs into single hairs in order to fill up the prepunched 1600 holes. Either that or leave holes unfilled and gaps in the pattern, which I have a bit of in the crown. I was told no more holes would be cut, so if they got more than 1600 grafts then either singles were placed together into single sites or they were thrown away. The key is, they would not answer my question, except to say, "It works out". Tell me, does that sound like the best in the business??? Dr. Hasson cuts most of the recipient sites but stops short, waits for the EXACT count of follicular units, and then cuts EXACTLY that many sites. Then, That is what you are charged for.No other method is acceptable or honest. Also, one technician uses a microscope to dissect across the donor strip, obtaining squarish layers one follicular unit thick, which are then layed out flat and further dissected into follicular units by others. Thay claim to get 20-30% higher yield than without the microscope. I saw no microscope at Bosley. Another thing about Bosley. Although they will give you references to call, they will never let you see a patient in the clinic. They have a secret exit door down the hall from the entrance. If anyone else is in the clinic, they wait until the "coast is clear" before they let you leave the room. They also have a separate entrance for returning patients. No patients ever see each other. They say it's for privacy. In contrast, Hasson & Wong's clinic and the consultation office in Seattle were both very open & unembarassed, no skulking about or secret doors. I hope this helps those searching for a good surgeon.
  17. Note - This message was recopied by Pat the editor from the original discussion group to this vastly improved online community. The name of orginal poster and the date posted are listed below: From: doug h Date: 5/16/01 Time: 10:16:12 PM Remote Name: 4.40.61.107 Comments Update: I had a second session by Dr. Hasson in Vancouver, B.C. today. It was much less painful than at Bosley's Seattle office. Also, Hasson obtained approx. 1500 grafts from an incision that was only 8" by 3/8", versus 1600 from two 7" by 3/8" incisions at Bosley. Hasson transplants the exact number of follicular units obtained from the donor site and charges for whatever they obtain, less or more than original estimate. Bosley's method is to charge you ahead of time for the estimated number and somehow make it come out exactly; they did not tell me how, even though I asked. Since it is impossible to guess exactly, I am convinced that if they obtain more grafts than expected, they throw them out. Maybe they put two singles into one site to avoid waste, but they probably would have told me that. If they don't have enough grafts, maybe they split the follicular units (containing 2,3 or 4 hairs) into singles in order to fill the extra holes? If so, thay are not always using follicular units as they claim. I am convinced that much of my donor hair, which is of course limited, was tragically wasted. Since they would not tell ME how they handle any discrepancies in numbers, YOU should get that question answered IF for some reason you choose Bosley. I won't go back.
  18. Note - This message was recopied by Pat the editor from the original discussion group to this vastly improved online community. The name of orginal poster and the date posted are listed below: From: doug h Date: 5/16/01 Time: 10:16:12 PM Remote Name: 4.40.61.107 Comments Update: I had a second session by Dr. Hasson in Vancouver, B.C. today. It was much less painful than at Bosley's Seattle office. Also, Hasson obtained approx. 1500 grafts from an incision that was only 8" by 3/8", versus 1600 from two 7" by 3/8" incisions at Bosley. Hasson transplants the exact number of follicular units obtained from the donor site and charges for whatever they obtain, less or more than original estimate. Bosley's method is to charge you ahead of time for the estimated number and somehow make it come out exactly; they did not tell me how, even though I asked. Since it is impossible to guess exactly, I am convinced that if they obtain more grafts than expected, they throw them out. Maybe they put two singles into one site to avoid waste, but they probably would have told me that. If they don't have enough grafts, maybe they split the follicular units (containing 2,3 or 4 hairs) into singles in order to fill the extra holes? If so, thay are not always using follicular units as they claim. I am convinced that much of my donor hair, which is of course limited, was tragically wasted. Since they would not tell ME how they handle any discrepancies in numbers, YOU should get that question answered IF for some reason you choose Bosley. I won't go back.
  19. Note - This message was recopied by Pat the editor from the original discussion group to this vastly improved online community. The name of orginal poster and the date posted are listed below: From: Rod Egby Date: 2/11/01 Time: 7:45:58 PM Remote Name: 24.113.30.56 Comments Hello, I'm a Hairdesigner living up in beautiful Vancouver BC, and I had four customers of mine who went through the transplant process by a doctor up here in Vancouver named Dr. Jerry Wong, and even with my trained eye, I was very impressed with the results. Two wanted a fuller result, and the other two, were satisfied with a little less. All four Men were so happy, I too went and had it done. I'm in the dormant stage of my transplant, but I cant wait till those seedlings start to sprout for the spring!! hehe..anyone needing any help or advice feel free to ask...Rod at Rippedgear@telus.net thanks
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