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  1. Hairworthy, You got a steal for $8500, especially considering your impressive results. How long ago did you have your procedure with Dr. Hasson? GuitarPlayer
  2. TB, you have posed an interesting question here my friend!!!!!! I think most of the members here are hesitant to endorse one doctor over another, simply because at one point several respected members began working for this or that clinic, and rabidly endorsed their doc/employer. Obviously, you can see how the internet is a powerful marketing tool, and how "shills" (as they are called here) could sway newbies one way or the other. I myself carefully combed through this website and others in order to get to "know" several ht doctors. I cannot tell you how many phone consults I had What I was looking for was an industry common, you know, information that kept comming up, over and over again, without prompting. As I would like to consider myself a pretty logical guy, several names popped out (to me) :Shapiro, H&W, Rose, Feller, and Konier. I immediately disregarded Konier, simply because his consultant (Tom, I think) refused to negotiate a reasonable price, and would not budge from almost 5.00 per graft. I personally did not have him as high as Shapiro,Hasson, or Wong,(pretty close!) but his office was the closest to my home (40 min). I then called H&W, and I was impressed by their "style" and confidence. Seeing Jotronics results helped as well. In addition, they were more than willing to negotiate a flat rate price, which really impressed me as well, as they are not hard up for customers. I felt the same about Dr. Shapiro, who seemed to be everywhere at the time. I know this is going to piss a few off, but here goes: In MY estimation, Dr. Shapiro creates the best hairlines in the entire industry, period. By that I mean his patients receive the best hairlines as individuals, not a cookie cutter template. This is not to say that a drastic difference exists between Shapiro and other dr.s, just an observation. For example, I think the best doctor in the world at one pass density is Dr. Hasson, and the best crown work is done by Dr. Wong. That does not mean each is substandard in other areas, just an observation. In addition, I am not casting dispersion on other clinics, just my opinion as an informed patient. Many long time posters feel that a HT is a last choice, and a conservative approach is best. We are not hairloss forecasters, and should keep that in mind when we embark on this journey. I had 3100 grafts done and I will go for another 3000 to 3500 in july-august. This should leave me with 1500 to 2000 for any future work that is needed. I like this approach, and that coupled with Shapiro's hairlines, made the choice easy for me. TB, ultimately, the choice is yours, so weigh all of these factors, and then make a decision and feel proud that you are joining a brotherhood of individuals that will not just accept baldness standing-up PS: I would appreciate it if anyone has any negative comments concerning this post, to please actually read it, and then read it again before you reply. Thanks
  3. JW, Just off hand I believe that while visiting clinics east of the Mississippi this summer I saw Dr. Jeff Espstein in Miami, Dr. Griffin in Atlanta, Dr. Bernstein in NYC, Dr. Haber in Cleveland, Dr. Shapiro in Minneapolis and Dr. Konior in Chicago, and Dr. Parsley in Kentucky performing trichophytic closures. No doubt others who I did not see recently are also using it, including Hasson and Wong and others. This technique has been extensively written about in the "Hair Transplant Forum", which many hair transplant surgeons read. I suspect that many more leading surgeons will be integrating it into their donor closure process. In my opinion it's a great technique and the mark of a surgeon who cares enough to take the extra time to make the linear donor scar as invisible as possible.
  4. Bobman, Forum rules stipulate that no links to outside promotional websites are allowed. This includes "membersites" from other forums since they link back to promotional content. It is for this reason that I edited your signature line. The Hair Transplant Network recently released it's all new Hair Loss Weblogs that enable patients to document and share their progress and growth in a much more robust manner than the photo albums on the forums allow. Feel free to create your own by clicking here. You can see other Hairblogs that are already up here. There is also a link to my own blog in my signature line. The Hair Loss Weblogs were built from the ground up with the sole purpose of documenting hair restoration surgery. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Congratulations on your procedure with Dr. Hasson and thanks for cooperating with forum rules. -Robert
  5. Thank you for the compliment. Dr.Hasson stated that the frontal zone was transplanted at 40-50 FU per cm at the densest points. Best of luck to you and I'm sure you'll get great results!
  6. Bobman, Did Dr. Hasson tell you how many grafts he thinks you have left? Perhaps you may be joining the 10,000 Graft Club. GuitarPlayer
  7. Hey Guys.... I like to consider myself an objective person, someone who can view both sides of an argument without bias. With that said, I have some comments here. IAHRS does not guarantee sucess for patients, nor will it ever. Hairtransplant doctors make enormous amounts of money (justifiably if they work the miracles they say they can) so one would have to say any "exclusive" membership can be bought into.(nature of the beast) Second, Hairworthy is simply raising a question as to the philosophy and CURRENT practices of Alvi Armani & co. Nothing in "Alvi Armani's" response to Hairworthy leads me to believe they truly care to inform those of us who are "mis-informed" about their practices. Third, it has LONG been noted that Alvi Armani placed low hairlines on younger patients. FACT. Fourth, I would imagine that quite a few of the "top docs" could push the envelope and dense pack up to 80cm/2 and harvest 5000-6000 grafts should they choose to do so. I guess the question shouldn't be "can they", but "why aren't they". True, some doctors choose not to pursue high graft yield as a more cost effective approach, but those doctors are becoming fewer and fewer. What some of us are questioning is growth percentage of hair so densely packed and the size of the donor tissue necessary to complete such a task. These are issues that are being worked out right now, with Hasson & Wong pushing the evnvelope AND giving anyone who asks complete access into their procedures and methods. As with any new approach, the rest of the industry will wait and see and then catch up. What happens if these patients experience issues down the road? We shall see. Now, as far as your "reservations". Having a belligerent attitude towards a community that only attempts to help others make informed decisions is NOT the way to promote your practice (I assume you work for A.A.)In addition, you mention the top three docs? I assume you meant Shapiro, Rose, Hasson, Wong, Epstein,Charles,Keene,and many others that are either supported by this site, or supported elsewhere. I think your attitude towards this website lends credence to the idea that money, and not patient care, is the sole driving force behind your practice. In addition, I will readily support the fact that Dr. Armani produces technically superior hair transplants, I will not back away from the idea that I have serious concerns about the ethical philosophy practiced at A.A. with regards to age, and hairline work.
  8. Yesterday I noticed for the first time that Antonio Armani was on the IAHRS list. Whilst this list is by no means a guarantee of outstanding work, it prompted me to have yet another look at Dr Armani's website, which keeps changing. There are several points that I would like to raise and have this Community's views on. 1. I don't like the before/after pics, they are very uneven: whilst you see fantastic results with guy nr 1 (no wonder he's nr 1), Shane at nr 10 and guy nr 18 (always the same 3 by the way), you also see some grafty looks like guy nrs 7 and 9. Guy nr 16 is combed back before and forward after, whilst it is usually the opposite with HT patients, why? Trying to hide something or to give the impression of density for the picture? 2. I don't like the fact that Armani clinics are opening everywhere. To quote from Pat's page on Dr Seager (for example): "despite the popularity of his work, Dr. Seager has resisted the temptation to open clinics in other cities, as he feels quality control would suffer. He prefers to keep all training and supervision of his staff under his careful and close watch." 3. Whilst no one denies Dr Armani is a great surgeon, there is not a word about the other docs who work under the Alvi Armani banner. Who are they? Where do they come from? There is a link on the Armani website which targets MDs and offers them to become HT surgeons. I am not very comfortable with that kind of marketing strategy. 4. Does Dr Armani still perform surgeries himself? What are the chances to actually have him as your surgeon? 5. Has Pat been invited to visit Dr Armani's clinic in Toronto? For us Europeans it is very tempting not to travel to North America and go to European outfits like Armani or DHI, but the big question mark is the surgeon who will actually perform the procedure. Again, the chances to have Zontos at DHI or Armani himself are slim. If you go with Hasson, Shapiro, Epstein, Rose and the others, you are guaranteed to have them in person working on your scalp. To me, it makes all the difference.
  9. Hi Mud, just saw your post and I am glad that you offered some lucid thoughts concerning your experiences with Dr. Shapiro. I can certainly understand not wanting to go through multiple surgeries, facing 1 or 2 more myself My question is twofold: 1st have you expressed these concerns with Dr. Shapiro directly? 2: why did Matt make the final call on your donor hair? I would be interested to know what his response is. I do know that Dr. Shapiro believes strongly in doing what is best for the patient, not necessarily what is latest "fad". I hope that you follow up with this and also post your level of satisfaction with Shapiro Medical's response. In addition, I think choosing Dr. Hasson to finish you off is a great move, as you obviously want to AGRESSIVELY attack your hairloss. From some I have spoken with, this is an area of concern from a results standpoint, but by having Shapiro provide you with a great base to work from, it is only going to enhance your experience with a skilled physician such as Dr. Hasson. If you have the 3500 grafts plus your 2500 previous grafts, you should be sitting pretty my friend!!!!!!! I look forward to following your adventure with aticipation.
  10. totallybald, I don't know much about some of the docs on your list. Others, I have heard nothing but praise for them. I would suggest having consultation with all of them and see what they say. If you're not close to their office, I'm sure you can set up an email/phone consultation. Ask the docs if they have any patients that you can meet in person. Until you see the work in person, you won't truly know what you're getting. btw- I am a patient of Dr. Hasson's and I would highly recommend talking to him or Dr. Wong. I have met several other patients of both of theirs, and they really do produce excellent results consistantly. I'm not saying that the other docs on your list don't do that, but it's always worth checking out all of your options before pulling the trigger.
  11. 02Rips, I would suggest asking some of the docs if they have any patients in your area that you could meet in person. If that's possible, that will give you your answer. Also, the Hasson & Wong website has a section for scalp exercises. This can increase your scalp laxity, making it possible to get more graphs than you would otherwise. Btw -I am a patient of Dr. Hasson's and I would recommend him also. You can do phone/email consultations too. I would suggest talking to as many docs as you want, and then narrow it down from there.
  12. Guys bear with me this is an emotional roller coaster man!!!!, i beleive im a very level headed guy but this stuff has got me twisted around. I would like to sub name this post "Putting it into perspective" I previously complained about gaps and thin spots wich are filling in somewhat, im at 9 months on Fri. Dec. 22 2005, Different angles, different lighting, different rear view mirror shots everything brings different ups and downs, well I recently tried to calm down and put it into perspective and heres what i got. Was I too quick to fly to Vancouver (Hasson and Wong)to reach for answers that i wanted to hear? maybe Did I pick out the little flaws with my Procedure at Shapiro? Probably Did I Give my Procedure enough time before judgement? (8 1/2 months) NO!! Do I think Dr. Ron Shapiro is top notch? Yes Do I think Matt made a bad call on my donor? I still think so but theres no harm done Did he do it to book me for 3 procedures or for my own good? im honestly struggling with that one Do i wish i had a bigger session? Yes To sum it up i think Dr. Shapiro performed a miracle with only 2523 Graphs in front and back, it is so natural you cannot tell anything and for that im very thankful, when i see other pictures of 2500 Graphs and what they got i feel lucky that i started with Dr. Shapiro. This is a hard decision for me to change clinics for my next procedure (Really hard!!!) but i have done my research and feel confident in Dr. Hasson, im going to be more aggressive than Dr. Shapiro would have done on me by about 1 thousand Graphs or more. I am Very satified in the quality of my Procedure from Shapiro Medical Group but I am going for a larger 2nd procedure fully aware of the risks wich i feel are minimal with a top notch Surgeon. I will provide pictures from the very start of this roller coaster ride for all to view and hopefully learn from as soon as i get that figured out, i was not planning on that but now i will do it, give me some time to get all my pictures together. Very Sincerely, Mudpuppy
  13. Guys bear with me this is an emotional roller coaster man!!!!, i beleive im a very level headed guy but this stuff has got me twisted around. I would like to sub name this post "Putting it into perspective" I previously complained about gaps and thin spots wich are filling in somewhat, im at 9 months on Fri. Dec. 22 2005, Different angles, different lighting, different rear view mirror shots everything brings different ups and downs, well I recently tried to calm down and put it into perspective and heres what i got. Was I too quick to fly to Vancouver (Hasson and Wong)to reach for answers that i wanted to hear? maybe Did I pick out the little flaws with my Procedure at Shapiro? Probably Did I Give my Procedure enough time before judgement? (8 1/2 months) NO!! Do I think Dr. Ron Shapiro is top notch? Yes Do I think Matt made a bad call on my donor? I still think so but theres no harm done Did he do it to book me for 3 procedures or for my own good? im honestly struggling with that one Do i wish i had a bigger session? Yes To sum it up i think Dr. Shapiro performed a miracle with only 2523 Graphs in front and back, it is so natural you cannot tell anything and for that im very thankful, when i see other pictures of 2500 Graphs and what they got i feel lucky that i started with Dr. Shapiro. This is a hard decision for me to change clinics for my next procedure (Really hard!!!) but i have done my research and feel confident in Dr. Hasson, im going to be more aggressive than Dr. Shapiro would have done on me by about 1 thousand Graphs or more. I am Very satified in the quality of my Procedure from Shapiro Medical Group but I am going for a larger 2nd procedure fully aware of the risks wich i feel are minimal with a top notch Surgeon. I will provide pictures from the very start of this roller coaster ride for all to view and hopefully learn from as soon as i get that figured out, i was not planning on that but now i will do it, give me some time to get all my pictures together. Very Sincerely, Mudpuppy
  14. Guys, I'm not "pro-FUE" or "anti-FUE" or anything like that. In case you didn't know, I had a strip procedure done. Like Qwert, I am in the opinion that FUE has its place but huge sessions isn't that place. That is my opinion. I am just giving you the facts that I know about DHI. They have some happy patients that post here fairly regularly in testament to them. If you don't agree with their procedures, don't go to them. Gorpy, you are happy with your procedure with Dr. Keene and I know that Qwert is happy thus far with his procedure with Dr. Hasson. If DHI patients were complaining about either of those physicians and/or their instruments I would ask them to cool it as well. -Robert
  15. I was very bald and I had an island in the middle of my head that was not transplanted during my first procedure. this was because DR. Hasson felt that the island was pretty healthy. The reason for the second HT was really to fill the island in. I probably didn't need to do the second HT because my hair really looked pretty good. I decided to go forward because I eventually would have had to do it anyway and wanted a little more in the crown. I feel better now. Looking at the coverage my second HT got I am very happy. On both procedures they shaved my head. Here is a picture immediatly after my first procedure. Notice the island in the middle of my head. The focus of my second HT was to fill that area in. Mark
  16. Just over two years ago I had 5194 grafts in one session with Dr. Hasson. As far as I know I am the first 5000 graft patient that he had done. These photos were taken right before my second procedure where I had the doc add some more to my crown. The crown was already great after the first session but I wanted a little more. The second session was done 11/10/2005 and added 2538 grafts to my crown for a total of 7732 grafts in two sessions.
  17. Just over two years ago I had 5194 grafts in one session with Dr. Hasson. As far as I know I am the first 5000 graft patient that he had done. These photos were taken right before my second procedure where I had the doc add some more to my crown. The crown was already great after the first session but I wanted a little more. The second session was done 11/10/2005 and added 2538 grafts to my crown for a total of 7732 grafts in two sessions.
  18. Sorry I could not put all those pics in one post, but I think the pics tell a good story. I was Dr. Hassons first 5000 FUT session. I am very happy with the results. Dr. Hasson is truely amazing.
  19. Here is a two year update. I had a 5194 FUT session with Dr. Hasson on 9/16/2003. Additionally, I had a second procedure of 2538 FUT with Dr. Hasson on 11/10/2005. The second procedure was done to fill in and add body to the crown area. I now have a total of 7732 FUT. To see all of the pre and post op photos for Jupiter23 visit his photo album.
  20. Here is a two year update. I had a 5194 FUT session with Dr. Hasson on 9/16/2003. Additionally, I had a second procedure of 2538 FUT with Dr. Hasson on 11/10/2005. The second procedure was done to fill in and add body to the crown area. I now have a total of 7732 FUT. To see all of the pre and post op photos for Jupiter23 visit his photo album.
  21. Fellas, As some of you guessed, procedures of this size require exceptional characteristics in the patient. One of you mentioned that there is no way that Qwert's head is so big as to allow for a 35cm long strip. I'll put it like this. Without revealing personal information about him I'll say that at 5'10 3/4 (gotta get all I can) I'm not a small guy but am average in height. Qwert however is above average in this respect hence a relative proportion to his scalp/skull. Combined with exceptional donor density and laxity he made for an ideal candidate. It needs to be clear that sessions such as Qwert's are not routine and it has never once been implied as such either. He is not however alone. What is routine in our office are sessions of 3500 to 4500 grafts. We do this everyday and without any play on the words describing a graft either. There is no greater issue of scarring and certainly no issue of graft survival. If there were we simply would not be doing these sessions as it would be plain wrong to do so. Dr. Hasson and Dr. Wong did not start performing these procedures overnight. It has taken years of constant refinement to get to this point. When the first 3000 graft session was shown at one of the conferences Dr. Hasson and Dr. Wong knew this was the future. They immediately invested in the personel, equipment and training to get to this point. Understand that this was at the time when 1200 to 1500 grafts was considered pushing the envelope and doctors were crying foul at the mere mention of even 2000 grafts in one procedure (some still do). Now, 2000 is considered average for most clinics and small for some. I know that Hasson & Wong is new to some of you but I ask that you be patient with our results. The docs have been doing this for some time now and we will reveal more and more results for your review. This works, guys. We've got more results to prove this.
  22. B-spot i agree that 2 megas of 3000 or more should create great results, my thoughts (wich change constantly) were to get as much from my donor as possible using strip and possibly saving some maybe 1000 in the bank for way down the road meanwhile using FUE for touchups and problem spots, bear with me here but i will give you my thoughts on the numbers i was thinking 6000 - 7000 from strip with small amount of emergency if needed years down the road hoping my laxity would again be ok for this. 2000 - 3000 from fue to do touch ups or whatever needed like FUE into the scar Of course i have been humbled by consultations with people that know like Jotronic, Dr. Hasson, Matt Z., Dr. Shapiro, but i think that my #s have to be trimmed down a bit overall it was a good plan. My plan as of 2 weeks ago would be Shapiro then Hasson and finish with Dr. Cole from Atl., but now im rethinking the Fue thing, as i said every consultation and every day of research changes my plan Im am willing to meet with you and show you my areas of concern about my scar & thin areas from my procedure at Shapiro and you can decide for yourself, i live approx. 15 min. from Shapiros Clinic
  23. Back to scars: One of the questions i asked Dr. Hasson was could i keep the same scar length from side to side as i got from Dr. Shapiro? he said yes, my reason for asking was i am happy with my starting and stopping points at the middle front of ears and not too high above ears. One of my concerns of theses big sessions was the scar coming around to the ears and then shooting almost straight up to the top (of the safe zone), i dont want to go that far so i probably couldnt have done 6000 in one sitting anyway, but if i could have done 4000-5000 with my scar length absolutely i would, once again consultations and research will bring you to these answers. When i saw Qwerts scar it was as i described all the way to the top (of the safe zone), for me probably a little to much for my head (my opinion) My question is what is really better? 2 procedures of 3000 or 3 procedures of 2000 Each time you have to remove existing scar, doesnt that create more skin removed and equal tension if not more from additional surgeries? Graft survival is not an issue here if you use a top Doctor, im talking about scarring issues only, please respond with opinions if you like, my opinion is more graphs less surgeries, looks like the future is going in that direction for strips.
  24. Mud- I think before you post negatively regarding Dr. Shapiro, you should consider some things first. Saying and doing are two different things. Having my HT with Dr. Shapiro, I know that MY best interests were first and foremost.I did not matter to him that I wanted 3500 first cut, he wanted to do what is best for me. Second, no one can tell you the amount of grafts you will produce, just a best estimate. I know that many surgeons start with a 1.25 to 1.5 strip initially in order to see how well the wound closes. If the scalp is too tight or loose, most doc's adjust accordingly. I was told that should expect 2200 to 2500 yet I yielded 3100+ and did not pay any extra for them. In addition, looking at a scar two or three days old and commenting on how good it looks is not empirically sound. I have challenged any mega-mega session recipient to shave down and post their "great" scars. I have, and I will continue to post them in order to let everyone know what a scar really looks like. You know, we have yet to really see the results of these types of procedures. I can imagine rapidly depleting the donor supply, and not being prepared for future hairloss. With that said, please do not misunderstand my post. If indeed Hasson and Wong have pushed the envelope and are performing ethically sound HT's I will be the first congratulate them and any patient of theirs. What I will not tolerate is any highly regarded DR. being slammed, from someone with 3 posts to their credit, regardless of a HT or not. What you have to understand Mud, is that this forum is not about my doc, your doc,(even though he is the same) it's about the poor bastard agonizing over whether or not to do this, and which doctor to choose. Right now, no one can say that these maxed out procedures will produce the results of two 3000+ sessions. We neeed time and results, and that will tell the tale. In addition, consider the financial aspect if all of this as well. How much does 5000 to 6000 grafts cost at one shot? If you are not happy in any way, call the office and let them know, I think Dr. Shapiro would welcome any criticism directed at his methods in the effort of constantly perfecting his techniques. BTW, I am just as excited to see these results as the next guy.
  25. Gorpy, i wasnt trying to be silly, it was really good looking with the new technique theyre using it was hairs growing all the way up to the closure on each side,, hell im no expert it was just lucky i was there to see it and then i saw this post and i chimed in, Qwert seemed like a nice guy and some posts on this thread were heading in the wrong direction. Troy, yes we have to be honest about results and i was, to each his own and time will tell, do yourself a favor and do a search on "Nicnitro" or "Bobman" or "Jupiter", they were all around 5000 graphs and turned out good, only my opinion and im here to learn, thanx Yes im scheduled for 3000 or more in Feb. 06 with Dr. Hasson
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