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Hair transplant in Turkey
Portugal25 replied to RonBurgundy's topic in Results Posted by Leading Hair Restoration Clinics
Ron I am talking with Dr. Pekiner assistant, Alex to book my second HT. I chose Dr. Pekiner because he only has 1 patient per day, does the whole surgery with techs just to provide support and has amazing results posted by patients on the italian forum. Couldn’t find any other doctor with this price level and results. Also, I have limited donor area and Dr. Pekiner said he can take 2000 grafts from my beard plus 3000 grafts from my scalp. Pekiner started out in this field working with Keser and then for HLC during 7 years. He opened his own clinic in 2017 because people were going to HLC because of him. He is building a name for himself very quickly and already told me he will increase the prices in 2020. if I were you I would go with Pekiner or Keser. -
Hi All, I first need to thank this forum and the members. I cannot overstate the impact of this forum throughout my journey. After thoroughly researching this forum and having several phone consultations, I figured out that Shapiro medical group is the right option for me. Given the extensiveness of the surgery I needed (photos are attached), I decided to go with Dr. Shapiro. My surgery was on June 19th (three days ago), and currently I am super pleased with the experience. The surgery itself went very smoothly and I didn't feel even a little pain (that could be because Dr. Paul has an expertise in pain management). Initially we were shooting for 3500-4000 grafts, but we ended up with 4775 grafts (I think it is considered mega-session, right?). I have attached pre- and post-op photos. I appreciate if you give me your feedback. Any comment is very much appreciated. -
So after lurking around this forum for a while I had decided to dive in head first (pun intended) and go ahead with the transplant. If you'd like to ask me any specific questions I'd be happy to answer. I'll just say that the HT itself was relatively painless and aside from some acceptable uncomfortableness and tenderness in the first 3 weeks the entire process was relatively as smooth as one would expect. I've been taking Finasteride for 2 and half months prior to surgery and I'm using Minoxidil once daily starting 2 weeks after surgery, per Shapiro's instructions. I was a NW 3/4 with balding spots in the crown and heavy thinning in the frontal hairline region. Shapiro has decided on using the entire grafts extracted on the frontal region and let Finasteride do its trick on the crown area. Right now I'm at the 1 month mark. I've been losing a lot of hair during this time, especially after starting to apply Minoxidil. I will update every month or two with pictures of my progress. Hopefully it will be a good one! -
You can also try Dr. Shapiro in Minnesota. -
Out of curiosity, have you considered any other surgeons besides the ones mentioned? Perhaps Dr. Konior, Drs. Ron and Paul Shapiro, or Dr. Gabel? Also, you may consider really studying and viewing multiple consistent results from robotic FUE before committing to a procedure. You are not in a rush, so I advise you to take a step back and really do your research and meet with more surgeons in person. -
Hairline specialist in Europe
delancey replied to munich's topic in Hair Restoration Questions and Answers
If I were in this position myself, I would be concentrating on finding a clinic in which the surgeon is involved and participating in the entire procedure, including some graft extraction. These are the most consistent results in my opinion, when led by a top-tier Doctor who is the absolute best at what he or she does. Doctor Konior, Dr. Gable, Dr. Ron Shapiro, to name a few excellent HT surgeons. On a different note, it's useful that you are sharing your results, as this may deter some people away from going to a tech-driven clinic down the line. Having a hair transplant is a permanent modification to your appearance, so it is a decision that must be made with diligence. Good luck, and I hope you get it sorted to your satisfaction. Cheers. -
FUTvsFUE has settled on both combined are always better than one vs the other. That’s a strong list, but there are other excellent surgeons. Dr. Shapiro, Hasson and Wong, Dr. Diep, Dr. Mohebi, Dr. Feriduni, just to name a few. -
Hey guys, first time user here. I just got a price offer from Dr. Konior for a 3000 graft FUT procedure. He wants $18,500 for it. I also checked the Shapiro website, and it seems like they will do it for $14,000. I like Dr. Konior and his results, but the price is quite steep. What do you guys think I should do? edit: I decided to go with Dr. Konior as he offered to do it for his old fee, since that is what we had discussed about a year ago. I think that was very honorable of him.
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Hi everyone, this is my first hair transplant procedure so I've been doing a ton of research into potential surgeons. So far I've narrowed the choices down to Shapiro and Cooley. I really like Cooley because he does much of the grafts himself, doesn't seem sales-y and has a track record of happy customers. Dr. Shapiro also has many of the same qualities although I've seen less results from him on the forums from actual customers. Does anyone have any advice? I'm located in TX so I will have to travel. Thanks!
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Konior, Hasson and Wong, and Shapiro are top FUT doctors. I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones I'm familiar with. I think Dr. Feller, Bloxham and Cooley are pretty good too, but I haven't done that much research on them. If you do another big FUE session your donor area is most likely gonna be done, but if you opt for FUT you're still gonna have areas above and below the scar to take from. It's pretty simple math. Plus, FUT is cheaper if money is an issue for you. -
Top 5 hair transplant surgeons.
rocketmas replied to Upshall's topic in Hair Restoration Questions and Answers
All great inputs from knowledgeable folks. I am currently evaluating doctors for my HT which I plan later in the year. I am considering Feriduni, Hattingen, Freitas (long wait ), Lorenzo (No reply!) and Dr. Konior. I am a NW 3A with thinning in the frontal area. Require hairline design and work, temples, and frontal head. I am looking at somewhere between 3000 - 3500 grafts. Would like to be a bit aggressive. Youthful hairlines are always more appealing to me. I am willing to travel to get the best result. I am 55 and expect this to be my last HT. Have had one before with Dr Ron Shapiro in 2004. Quite satisfied with his work. Who would you recommend specifically for hairline, temple, and frontal density? I am looking for the best in class doctor. I don't need a doctor who is good for mega-sessions or who can cover more real-estate. Thanks folks, Appreciate the input. -
I would also add Ron Shapiro to the list. Outstanding hairlines. Very natural. He is more of a 2-pass for density, which is not a bad thing. I actually find that the more experienced the doctor gets, he/she is a master at creating the illusion of density, less is more. @Gasthoerer re: Density in one pass - H&W ...I always like to differ the two. Wong vs. Hasson. Dr. Wong being by choice for "crown and one-pass." I actually sent my cousin to Dr. Wong. Thoughts? -
Disappointed…
HairLossMentor replied to HairLossMentor's topic in Hair Transplant Experiences and Surgeon Reviews
Maybe we need to be clear on "budget"... Note: I'm not taking about Turkish doctor's like Dr. Koray for example...he does good work...and is not budget. He can (and does charge) comparable to $5-$6 CAD graft because he can. I'm talking about these $2000 clinics popping up all over Turkey. Not a chance you can get the same result as Wong Rahal, Shapiro, Koray with these hacks. Research a little more I know first hand that "repair cases" make up 10-30% of north american clinics now, mostly fixing botched jobs from Turkey. It's so bad that doctors describe it as a "wave of bad results." Just last week I met a kid who spent $2000 on a budget clinic only to get botched. He has NO options. What can he do? Sue the doc in Turkey? Guys need to know that. A good read... In Turkey’s cutthroat hair-transplant tourism industry, the biggest losers are the patients and Syrian refuges, https://qz.com/954680/in-turkeys-cutthroat-hair-transplant-tourism-industry-the-biggest-losers-are-the-patients-and-syrian-refugees/ 100% agree! -
@Aftermath Dr. Rahal didn't declare himself "The hairline King"... his patients did. But as with anything you should back up claims with proof… So below is the proof. There are thousands of examples on this form alone… I encourage you to use the search function. Here are just a few... "he's called the hairline king" https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/51249-dr-rahal-3025-grafts-fut/ "The Hairline king!!! https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/46745-dr-rahal-3185-graft-fut-nw-3-6-months-post-op/ I'm also calling you on your "lacks consistency" and "patients disappear" statement... Dr. Rahal is one of the most consistent doctors in the business...this is a fact...not up for debate. - Search the forms and you'll find thousands of happy patients... And "very few" unhappy patients... He's been doing this for 30+ years... Thousands upon thousands of procedures… I would say that's "consistent"... Wouldn't you? -Even the elite hair transplant surgeons don't bat hundred percent... A small percentage of guys… For whatever reason...will need a touch up. It's the human body… There are factors outside of their control. Don't get a hair transplant unless you can accept that fact. - What's important is… How did the doctor react?… Meaning did he do everything in his/her power to make the patient happy. Elete hair transplant surgeons at Dr. Rahal's level do just that… They have one goal really, make sure you are happy. …The above are just a couple of reasons why I chose Dr. Rahal for my hair transplant. I've been at this for a long time (20+ years)… and I see when posters like you throw little "jabs"… which aren't true… just to get patients/guys all riled up. Making sure you say in the same sentence "it's your opinion" just to cover your tracks… that's telling. There are certain doctors in the industry who are consistent… And care for their patients... few and far between in this industry sadly. Dr. Shapiro, and Dr. Wong are 2 others I have great respect for. Both are consistent and produce amazing results. These doctors are on your side...and move the industry forward. -------------------------------- @bman3082 It's great to see you back man. And awesome to see you asking questions… Sharing your experience. Sorry I had to waste my time on @Aftermath. His goal is to get guys riled up with statements like "failure" or "not consistent." He knows full well it's all BS. Reality is… You went with one of the best... ✓ consistent ✓ natural results ✓ hairline King ✓ ethical ✓ experience It's too early to judge anything... but based off what I'm seeing (40 grafts cm/2) you are right on track. 40 grafts cm/2 is a low density hair transplant... and it's going to look thin. Especially since you have dark hair/pale skin and contrast between hair and scalp is high. It's important you keep your expectations in check. Meaning don't expect a typical Rahal Hairline. You need minimum 50-60+ grafts cm/2 (depending on hair characteristics). Not that you have anything to worry about… Everything indicates (from what I'm seeing) your hair transplant will be a success… But it will look thin. Again, thin does not mean your hair transplant was a failure. It just means you received 40 grafts cm/2... And will need some creative styling to achieve the look you're after. This is just the reality. Anyone who says different is lying. ...But again...way too early to judge anything. It's a waiting game...and you are not even at the 1/2 mark...both in density and coverage. What's key here is that you went with Dr. Rahal...One of the most ethical doctors in the business. So even though 40 grafts cm/2 will look thin… And it sounds like you knew that going into it. Dr. Rahal will most likely increase the density for free… That's just who he is. Good luck and keep us posted... You have nothing to worry about.
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Hi All, I had recently posted a description of my recent HT with Dr.Ron Shapiro on Sep 7, 2006. I just found the time to spend a few hours in creating a detailed blog and updating it with my pre-op, post op day 1 pics by Dr.Shapiro/Matt, and several post op (day2, day3 and day13) photos. I would very much like any comments/feedback on my post/blog and my progress. My Story: (This is detailed in my blog as well, Blog link at the end of this post) ______________________________________________________________________________________________ I have been losing hair since my early twenties gradually. I used to sport fairly long hair when I was young, sometimes shoulder length, so i used to notice more hair loss while combing or taking showers etc. Gradually this decreased as I moved into later twenties , most probably, due to the density decreasing and the hair itself gradually thinning out. I used to be quite sensitive to any comments like - hey you are losing hair, or you have lesser hair etc. Not that too many people have made such comments, it was probably only a handful of people and when such comments were made, I just lost my respect for them and probably did not care much for them after that. But the fact remained that I continued to be sensitive to my hair loss. Similar story to most hair loss sufferers listed here. I did not really think about any treatments for my hair loss, to be honest. There was once , in my early twenties when i first started noticing hair loss and went to a doctor and he looked at my head and said that I was fine and gave me some pills for peace of mind - can you believe it? Anyway, it was only very recently, that I learnt about success stories of HTs - even though I had heard about hair pieces, hair weaving etc earlier, but never was comfortable with any of them. I would any day have preferred to bald gracefully than to look like a clown in any of those solutions. But recently, after reading about latest techniques and success stories of HT, I went to Bosley and MHR for consultations. And in fact scheduled a procedure with MHR. Just like for a few other people on the Hairtransplantnetwork, Pats discussion forum site came to my rescue in the nick of time. And I started my research anew by reading through the website in detail. I quickly narrowed my search to a few top surgeons and decided to finally go with Dr.Ron Shapiro due to the great feedback he had, and also because I had happened across his name earlier during my Bosley/MHR research. For some reason, his name had stuck in mind, I would never have thought earlier that i would fly cross country for a HT. I quickly decided to go with Dr.Shapiro, and called Matt the very next day , and scheduled a procedure for the very next week (Sep7). Luckily someone had cancelled and a date opened up that was offered to me and I grabbed it. It all happened to me at lightning speed thereafter. I had never thought that I would decide upon and undergo a HT so quickly , as I had only started reading about HTs about late last year (2005). I underwent a procedure with Dr.Shapiro on Sep7. Everything went great (I have posted my experience of the visit on the ht forum). It was very much like others have described a HT procedure with Dr.Ron Shapiro - great doctor, great person, great team - Matt, Janna and all their other staff, very smooth procedure throughout. I think I would classify as a 4 or so - never asked Dr.Ron specifically about where I stood on Norwood scale. Since I am 31, and my thinning is mainly around the hairline front 1/3 and toward the crown, these were the areas primarily addressed. Dr. Shapiro gave an initial high level recommendation for about 2000 grafts for the front 3rd with about 500 grafts or so toward the top part of the crown, keeping future loss in mind, and also with the assumption that propecia may help keep/grow some hair in that region. I ended with a total number of 2523 grafts for the front 1/3 and some on the top of the crown with about a two finger width region on the top of my head not being touched as Dr.shapiro indicated that I had decent thair in that region and he did not want to risk going through it. Dr.Shapiro cut my thin hairs in the front region and also some small hairs on the crown were cut to enable placment of grafts there. Today is exactly day 15 after my HT - my scabs have healed well and i had my staples removed on day 12. I am noticing a lot of hair loss (probably both transplanted grafts and native hair) after week1. This is happening more as I am starting to shampoo and massage my hair more vigorously now. Maybe I should stop that and be more gentle. I would very much like any comments/feedback on my post/blog and my progress. -
Sorry that your thread was de-railed. You have some good surgeons on your list. Frankly, any of the surgeons on your list can provide excellent results. I disagree with the poster above rumors are exactly that rumors. I’m a walking testament of Dr. Dieps work, as are countless others on the forum my donor is in no way destroyed or compromised and I can still withstand another 1,000 grafts via FUE. Either way, you can’t go wrong with either of the surgeons you mentioned. I would also include Gabel, Cooley, Konoir, Shapiro to your list. At the end of the day, go by results and who you feel comfortable with. I also suggest sticking with FUT first, although I had the same hairloss as you and chose FUE, it certainly cost me more money in the long run and took longer. I knew that going in but it’s obviously not the most efficient way.
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Dr Konior price. Should I do it?
Dr. Glenn Charles replied to Cap88's topic in Hair Restoration Questions and Answers
I can tell you that all the doctors at Shapiro Medical Group in Minneapolis get very similar great results. Dr. Shapiro is a good friend of mine and he would not let any doctor perform surgery in his clinic with his name on it unless they were getting as good as results as himself. -
Dr Konior price. Should I do it?
Triple7 replied to Cap88's topic in Hair Restoration Questions and Answers
There are 3 different doctors doing transplants at the Shapiro clinic and I am going to guess that all results from there are not alike. I would research the particular doctor that would be performing the surgery and not just the clinic. Dr. Konior also has Dr. Nadimi working at his clinic but it sounds like your price quote is with Dr. Konior. -
I would schedule a consultation with Konior, Dr. Rahal, and Dr. Ron Shapiro. It sucks where you're at man. I've been there. You can fix this though. Maybe I missed it? But have you asked for a refund from the other clinic? You can use that towards getting this fixed.
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Dr. Rahal or Bernstein?
HairLossMentor replied to JT65's topic in Hair Transplant Experiences and Surgeon Reviews
I agree 100% that FUE is not scarless. Though you can minimize visible scarring, that's key. The simplest route to achieve this is punch size. Keep in mind that if the doctor is using a 1 mm punch, the actual size of the punch depends on the thickness of the metal. Depending on the manufacturer, it can be 1.2 to 1.5 mm. In the wrong hands even 1000 grafts can destroy your donor area. I seen it many many times unfortunately. The problem we're dealing with here is donor management or lack of donor management. It's a technique used by very few North American doctors. I commend any Dr. willing to learn FUE- and as with anything in life they will only get better in time. The problem is at the last FUE conference, I only noted 3 doctors from North America… Dr. Rahal, Dr. Wong, Dr. Shapiro. That says something. It was at this conference where they talked about the stuff, share tips of the trade. Here's a quick explanation of donor management… Donor management - a strategy to maximize your donor area, both in the number of grafts you can safely harvest for transplantation and visually, allowing you to wear your hair short and get the most amount of grafts possible... Tactic #1: Using calculations, you are able to predict how many grafts you can safely harvest from the safe zone. Not only in one session but over multiple. Punch size is a factor here. Smaller punch means more grafts and less visible scarring Tactic #2: partial transection to avoid this kind of stuff-scarring, patchy, moth-eaten look. If it's a 3 hair, you will strategically harvest 2 and leave 1 hair behind. For it to work you need 8x magnification and .8 punch size and under. The magnification alone is 10k. So not many want to make the investment. Tactic #3: punch type, sharp, dull, etc. motorized vs. manual - each has its place, depending on your skin type. FUE experts are masters at each, and prior to each procedure actually test each. What they are looking for is the technique with the lowest transection and highest graft quality. Note: smaller is still better You also need a high level of skill to pull this off, why I am so against the robot. In the hands of an amateur hair transplant Dr. you can do more harm with FUE to a guys donor area than any other procedure. Bottom line, if you are using a 1 mm punch, the robot you're not practicing donor management. Donor management is a highly advanced strategy and means a massive investment both in staff and equipment. But it's also what separates the amateurs from the professionals. Please refer to this example photo… This is just a quick explanation… There's much more to it. But in the example I applied tactic #2, with just 12 single hairs. And you can notice a visible difference in the donor area. I do commend Dr. Diep. I'm seeing some good results from him. And I encourage him to continue learning the craft and to learn about and master donor management. It would be super helpful if he would jump in and let us know about his technique, punch size, tools of the trade. I always encourage an open and honest debate. That's what makes this forum great. -
I am looking to get an FUE surgery done. After talking to 5 or 6 clinic, I was told I would need about 3500 graft. I have narrowed down to Dr. Diep or Dr. Hasson. Any thoughts or recommendation from anyone regarding these 2 doctors? During the process, I have also considered and had discussion with Shapiro, Ranior, Rahal. -
@davebot8888 the only two doctors I would ever consider for hairline work are Dr. Rahal and Dr. Ron Shapiro. Especially for hairline refinement. Keep in mind Dr. Rahal restored my hairline. I don't see Dr. Ron Shapiro talked about on the forms much. But he's a legend. I'm watching a couple of other doctors who have potential, but I'm seeing some rookie mistakes like with your transplant. Whoever you go with. Just make sure they specialize in hairlines. A monkey can increase the density. That's not a problem. Its the details that matter in your case. And I'm sure half the doctors performing hair transplants today, I'm talking about the part-time hair transplant hacks, don't even know about micro-/macro irregularity. Good news is this is fixable man. Just choose your doc wisely. You have one more shot to get this right. Not trying to be negative. Just make sure to put a lot of thought in your decision, okay 🙂 I'm a repair patient myself and get what you're going through. Free anytime if you have questions.
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HairLossMentor replied to John Doe's topic in Hair Restoration Questions and Answers
@John Doe, sorry if I missed it. But I didn't read if you're on any medications? Always a good idea to slow hair loss. Your goal is to keep what you have, for as long as possible, and restore with at hair transplant what you've lost. You narrowed it down to some good doctors. I can vouch that Dr. Wong produces some of the best crowns in the business. I would also add Dr. Shapiro to the list. Some of the best hairlines in the business… though a little more conservative in his approach (nothing wrong with that). Once you've narrowed down your list to the elites… the doctors who specialize in hair transplants… only perform your transplants… You'll notice that each specializes in one thing: Rahal, he's known for more youthful hairlines... His patients are usually in their 30s. Same with Shapiro, awesome at hairlines but his patients are a little older… Wong for crowns… You get the idea. So go with a doctor who specializes in what you want. Keep in mind that only a handful of doctors in North America are able to perform FUE consistently. But the ones who do… Produce some of the best results in the industry. You also want to look at factors like punch size, transection… Full and partial… Technique, etc. Now on the cost… I keep hearing that Turkey is less expensive… Guys need to know that's not true. Sure some clinics offer $1/graft… But you want to avoid them like the plague. They are cheap for a reason. At hair transplant is a one-shot deal. Don't risk it. Yes, there are a select few clinics in Turkey producing great results… But they're not cheap. Factoring cost of travel, exchange-rate… and the real risk of needing a touch up… and they are actually more expensive. You also need to factor in the cost of the second procedure. A lot of clinics offer discounts to past patients. I hope this helps man… Feel free to hit me up if you have any questions. Take your time, meet lots of patients, ask lots of questions… Here to help. PS. If you're curious I had FUE with Rahal. Photos are attached. -
Don't sweat the Strip
purple18 replied to purple18's topic in Hair Transplant Experiences and Surgeon Reviews
I went with Dr. David Josephitis of Shapiro Medical Group in Minnesota. Photos are 19 days p/o under bright lights after my first post-op ocean scuba dive. (Hat on religiously before and after I go underwater to protect from sun) It looked basically like this when I got a back-and-sides trim only a day after the staples came out (day 11). I decided to book my operation sort of last minute so I was worried I didn't prepare enough by growing out the donor beforehand. Was worried I was going to have a big smiley back there for awhile. It didn't seem to matter. I can feel little hairs near where the scar is starting to grow, either from shaving near the area or the closure method, not sure. Will likely give it another small boost when that's mature. I still am sweating if the 2675 grafts were enough to fix the crop circle that is my vertex/crown (fingers crossed) but feeling very positive about how my donor area looks. This is around the length I wore it before the op and plan to afterwards. The only (temporary) regret I have about choosing FUT is that I kinda wish I could buzz it for the regrowth phase and let my crown match the surrounding areas. It's gonna look funny as hell for a while. 🤷♂️ -
Sensible approach by Dr. Shapiro. You look like you have a good amount of hair at the crown that could potentially be saved by finasteride, so concentrating the grafts of the frontal area makes sense. Still very early days so hang in there. Things should start happening in the next few weeks.
