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  1. 1. I think you completely miss the point of the discussion: If the clinic has no patients, the waiting list is the reference. We are talking about clinics how by choice limit to one surgery a day or do more than one per choice. 2. Learning curve is heavily asymptotic, which means: Dr. Konior will not get (much) better by doing more surgeries per week. At least not as much to overcome the reduction of focus on the patient. Two small surgeries staggered is fine but 3+ surgeries which all require the focus of the surgeon at the same time, a No-No for me. Or even worse: The grafts wait outside my body as the surgeon is doing work at another patient...a big No-No for me as well.
  2. Hey guys, I wanted to share my journey as it was this site that gave me a lot of great insight into picking out Dr. Konior along with seeing results and answering all of my questions. This procedure was done in early October and I've posted my Pre op photo, immediate Post op and also one month update. I'm more than happy to answer questions and hopefully I can be a resource to those who are thinking about having the surgery. Dr. Konior and team are extremely transparent and diligent from start to finish. Don't let the waiting list scare you off, it's absolutely worth the wait. Here's the breakdown of grafts 1 -214 2-1066 3-744
  3. @Jay13 be very careful when choosing a Doctor or clinic in Turkey because it’s the world capital of botched hair transplants. I did my research and had my second HT in Turkey but I concluded that if you don’t select one of the Doctors below then you will have a high risk of joining the botched FUE Club: 1. Dr. Kaan Pekiner charges 2.15€/graft, 1 patient per day, does the whole surgery himself with manual FUE so he is limited to 1200 grafts per day and uses stick&place to implant. Has experience doing mega sessions using beard grafts. 2. Dr. Keser charges 3.5€/graft has just 1 patient per day and does the whole surgery himself with manual FUE but he uses his own punch that limits him to 600 grafts per day. Implants also with stick&place. He is focused on dense hairlines. 3. HLC Ankara is the best and only clinic one should consider in Turkey. They charge 2.7€/graft and also perform manual FUE with the Doctor doing the whole surgery but because it’s a Clinic they don’t tell us which of the clinic’s Doctor will be doing the surgery. Have a lot of experience doing mega sessions with beard grafts. Follow @duchaine advice and check other countries. Like Porto/Portugal that has @Dr. Bruno Ferreira. He charges 2.5€/graft and also only has 1 patient per day but uses DHI with Lion Implanter Pens (the most recent FUE technique). He also works in Madrid at Dr. Jose Lorenzo clinic (one of the best in the world charging 5€/graft). If you don’t care about price then go to Dr. Raymond Konior (8US/graft and 2 year wait list) or Dr. Juan Couto (5€/graft and 2 year wait list). If you need any further information feel free to PM me.
  4. Dr. Konior does amazingly clean work. I'm scheduled for my third and hopefully last session with Dr. Konior in March. Doing another run at my crown (this time FUE) and a little shoring up of my part. You're lucky in that Dr. Konior didn't have to shave any of your non-donor area. Because he will be shoring up a few other areas, I don't think I'll be as lucky. But I feel extremely lucky to get one more procedure by Dr. Konior so I'll suck it up. Happy growing and Ill look forward to following your results.
  5. Hi guys! Im new here in this great community, but definitely not new to hairloss stuff. I already had a fair research with a help of this forum and users experiences, as part of my journey to my (soon) HT. I will tell my story in short. Im 30, and been suffer from hairloss for about 10 years. There are no words to describe how this has been effecting my life, Im pretty sure more than almost anybody else here. I always have been concern with my look to a level of obsession, and in some point I realized I have BDD (body dysmorphic disorder) , Started as a teenager, got in depression cause I didnt like my appearance. But with time I grew up nice and was very pleased, till hairloss kicked in. I can actually remember the very day it started lol, I noticed my temples receded a tiny bit, and got panicked immediately. and from that point, it was doomed. I became obssesed with my hairloss 24/7, it increased my overall bdd to a new levels. I immediately jump on meds, but they didnt stop it, dont know if they did anything but I just kept taking them. with the years hairloss kept advancing slow but steady - major temple recession, front hairline receded a bit, and thinning on top. I realize in some point that HT is my only option to get my hair back and actually get my life back, and did a research 2 years ago and consultation with both Bisanga and Lupanzula, which both were great, but I ended up deciding to postpone it for several reasons. And now it is the time for sure. So, to the point, I need your help and opinions on any matter here that can help me get the best that I can. I added pics below. My goal is to restore my hairline and temples - This is the most important for me, I have to have a good frame, and preferable good density in hairline and behind it. I want to lower a bit the hairline and even consider to reconstruct the temples points a bit. As about the procedure type - I thought Im going for FUE all the time, but after reading in this forum Im not so sure. I read alot of advantages for FUT - you can get more grafts from your donor, the yield is higher, and overall better chance for more quality results, is that true? Yes of course there is a scar, but first Im not going to shave my head never in my life. I do shave the back and sides closer than the top of course, but not on zero guard, so im not sure how much of a problem it will be. Also, the price is lower, which is a plus, but I want to say here that generally price is only second priority for me. Second, Im still not sure which doctor to choose. Im from middle east, and the best for me would be someone from Europe (I dont even consider turkey). currently in my list are Bisanga - great surgeon, care about his patients, I already had consultation with him in the past and I got very good impression. but he specialize mainly on FUE, and if I decided on FUT I guess there are better options? Also, is his type of work considered dense packing? Im not sure. I would love to get good density in the front. De Freitas - which has amazing results, but im not sure about waiting list, does someone here knows what to expect? and also, I heard that communication is problematic since he speaks spanish. I dont know, but it seems like an issue to me. Feriduni - great doctor as well. but most of his cases look too conservative to me. and he is also specialize on FUE (?) what you think? Dr.Maras from HDC, cyprus - He is a great, reputable surgeon, with great results. And although he is recommended doctor here, I dont see many posts about him, or even mentions, when people here talk about the best doctors. I wonder why is that, wouldnt you consider him in the same level as the other top tier doctors in this list? Im not sure about his specialty in FUT though. But the good thing is his clinic very close to me, and actually has representation in my country. Hattingen - I heard about this clinic here, and saw some good results posted by them, but not alot of patient results. I do read many opinions of people praising this clinic, but I really cant tell I guess... The rest of the options are in US/Canada. I mean, I really hate flights, and long flights to canada or US seem like nightmare for me. Im not afraid of flights, Im just kind of big guy and it's really uncomfortable for me to sit there for so many hours. But since I cant compromise on the outcome even a bit, I guess I would have to take them into account as well. in my list: Dr Hasson from H&W - I read so many great things about Hasson. Looked for lots of patients posted results. not one negative review, and almost all are amazing, and also lots of cases similar to mine, with outcome I would kill for. I think he is actually number one for me in the list, since he does great FUT as well as FUE. The only problem is the distance about 13 hours flight. What do you think? would you fly so far for this? it really bothers me... and what if, god forbids, I will need a touch up or something? those flights can be very inconvenient. Im not even talking about frontal consultation, which Im not sure if they require it before the procedure. Dr.Konior - also great doctor as I read hear and some other places, but I really know less about him than the others. Im still in the research phase so I will get some more knowledge on those doctors and other that come up. This list is not closed at all, I would be happy to hear any (honest) opinion or suggestion. I would appreciate any response, and you can be sure that I will share with you my experience, when it happen, hopefully soon. Pics attached look really bad when it is not styled and combed... but I need to show them.
  6. Hi karatekid, If the reason for scratching out Turkey is solely based on Turkey having tons of cheap, low quality HT clinics (and that's a fact), you may be missing some A grade doctors. I will not talk about it since Portugal already mentioned those. If you have other reasons, I can't comment on those. If you are planing to have temporal point (side parts, under temples) work, I don't suggest any Turkish clinics. As a matter of fact, I myself was thinking of having it but I could not find any HT doctor doing a very good temporal point in the world; forget about Turkey. Because of the very fine nature with different color, temporal points will stand out from the rest easily unless you will keep them very long. If you researched and found out very good temporal point results of any doctor in the world, please let me know; I may have consider As for Keser, I am pretty sure he can give you a good density (unless you want a low, aggressive hairline) with 2400-2500 (possibly even less grafts) but it will take at least 4 days which may be a showstopper for you. Pekiner can do the same in 2 days I believe. As for donor management, I got 1700 grafts and my donor is still very strong. Other doctors would be looking to spend at least 2500 grafts for the same so I am pretty sure I saved lot of grafts in my donor for future. Most of the doctors you are considering in Europe and US/CA are top notch ones with very good records. I would suggest you to have your HT with Dr. Couto if you can find any availability in the next several years. Dr. Konior would be another excellent choice if you can fly to US and afford. For 3000 grafts, you are looking at 18K-24K Usd depending on what you will get (Fut/Fue) Another option: Since you are in your early 30s, you might wait a couple of more years and continue researching. There is a slight chance you could lose more from forelock.
  7. @karatekid I know you said you crossed out Turkey but you really should talk with @Kaya because he had a smiliar hairloss to yours and had two HT with Dr. Keser. For your situation Dr. Keser would be one of my top choices because he specializes in hairlines does max 600 grafts and one patient a day. He has his own punch (designed by himself) which cuts through with one move and increases the survival chance of the grafts. This kind of boutique treatment comes with the price which makes him the most expensive HT doctor in Turkey at 3.5€/graft. Kaya is from LA and was also looking for the best of the best so he was considering Dr. Konior (8US/graft) but he`s super happy he went all the way to Turkey to Dr. Keser (twice). Check his results:
  8. So I've seen a couple of posts here mentioning Dr. Konior in Chicago as being a good choice for African American FUE, but almost all of the examples of his work I've seen so far, both on this website and his website, are of people with straight hair. Is it true that he is one of the best for curly/kinky/afro hair and if so where can I see some of those results?
  9. Just wanted to say cheers for the advice everyone has given here. I was lucky enough to get notified by Dr. Konior of a cancellation, and have opted for a spot which will take place in July, this year. So, again, thanks for your help, everyone it made my decision much clearer.
  10. Hi guys, First off, I would like to thank you all sincerely for all your help throughout my hair lost journey. I have been lurking theses forums for the past 10 years and your story where helpful and guide me to Dr. Konior who I have the upmost respect and admiration. I have been struggling with my hair lost since i was 20 years old and now at 40 it was the time to take action. I was schedule for a 3000 FUT grafts procedure and it end it up with with 3423. Theses are my grafts details : 1 = 299 - 2 = 1976 - 3 = 1148. Got at the office at 6:30 am and was welcome by Lisa who was very kind and thoughtful. We got the paperwork done and Dr. Konior came to see me. We chat a bit, I had a few questions for him and told him that my main goal has to have a thick hairline .Afterword we started drawing a hairline that he taught would suit me well. The hairline was perfect and didn't want to change anything to it. Theses are a few pictures before my hair transplant , this will give you a idea of my hair lost : This one is when my hair is style : The operation went perfectly, I had didn't feel any pain and the procedure was done around 8:30 pm. I was truly amaze by Dr. Konior works and perfectionism, He is truly skill and a great surgeon. Theses are a few pictures of me Post-Opt, sorry I know the lighting isn't that great : I was very happy with the outcome and will cross my figures that with this surgery I will be able to get the hairline at a density that suit my expectations. Thanks again guys for everything, you have inspire me to move forward with the surgery in despite of my fears.
  11. Well I thought I’d start by describing how the day went as that’s what most people are interested in and will talk about some other useful stuff in another post… So my procedure day had finally arrived and I was collected from the hotel by Tom (the office manager) at 6am. On arrival I met Lisa who is the lead technician and has worked with Dr Konior for years. With Tom I went through some paperwork, basically signing up to the number of grafts, consent forms and checklists etc. Lisa came in to check my blood pressure and was shortly followed by the Dr. I’m a bit hazy on the details but basically he said we would essentially be doing 2 x 2,000 graft strip surgeries one after the other because the stick and place method of grafting would take a lot of time. The entire strip would be cut in the morning but half would be left in place until the afternoon. It was also suggested that if any sensations above a ‘pinch’ were felt during any stage of the procedure I should make him aware of it. That way we could keep on top of any discomfort. We then moved on to the hairline design. I was handed a cotton swab and asked to outline the shape of where I’d like it. I went pretty conservative. I’m almost 35 and would rather have a solid front 1/2 than a solid front 1/3rd…Anyway, the Dr then got the marker out and drew something way better which would reduce the size of the corners but still covered the front half. It looked great and I couldn’t have made it any better however, I did suggest using some grafts to improve the temple points. They have faded away but not moved since I was in my teens. Next up I had to stand next to the famous green screen for the pre-op photos. I was also given the first couple of shots of valium. One of the techs gave me a disposable shirt to wear so I put that on and was given a restroom opportunity and then led into the surgical room. After the valium you don’t really feel any nerves. First up you lie face down with your head on a donut shaped head support. I was awake for the strip removal but not sure how long it took. It must have been about an hour. There was obviously the shaving of the site and a lot of masking tape to hold adjacent hair back. The numbing shots were sharp but not that bad. My ears were covered with pads as part of the prep by the techs but I could hear the suction device (Spanker told me what that was for the next day) and I think I heard the strip coming out though it didn’t really bother me at all – I’ve seen it done before (the wonders of YouTube). The only minor problem I had was a lack of circulation to my left arm but managed to shift my shoulder into a better position. I got another break and some Gatorade and a snack for 10mins while the room set up was changed, plus another valium pill. It was now time to lie on my back for the planting of the grafts. It must have been about 9am but the next thing I remember is the Dr telling me where I was. It had now fast forwarded to 1:45pm. It was around this time I had the Turkey sandwich lunch that Tom had mentioned in the morning (you can choose alternatives). From then on I can just remember being in a daze, hearing some discussion about needle sizes and grafts, and mentioning to the Dr and Lisa when I started to feel ‘pinching’ sensations. Eventually we broke again for the second part of the strip removal but that only took 10 minutes. I can remember the tugging of the sutures and sound of the staples going in. Everything was well drilled and efficiently done. The last thing I can remember is the temple point work which must have been completed just gone 12. We were all done and dusted and I remember being back in the consultation room being handed a mirror to look at the work and given instructions for the medications. I was driven back to the hotel by one of the techs.. (There was no time for post op photos so they were taken a couple of days later instead.) So that’s all there is to it really. It wasn’t until the day after Dr Konior said it was a really tough day getting the grafts to stay in properly. From my perspective I didn’t know any better so if that is as bad as it gets for the patient then let me tell you you will have nothing to worry about. I came in the following 3 days for a clean up and ended up changing my flight home to a day later. I had a tough time with the swelling but with constant icing I kept it away from my eyes. Apart from that there was no significant discomfort at all. You just have to make sure you follow the medication regime. I have to say that everyone at the office was extremely nice and hardworking, even coming in on their days off. Overall the Dr was very pleased with the healing the following couple of days in both recipient and donor – very little redness or scabbing and some small signs of growth. The staples came out on Day 2 and I didn’t feel a thing. Additional thanks to ... aka Spanker for his special guest appearance! Nice to meet Aaron1234 as well, albeit briefly.
  12. Nadimi is fairly new to the game but her patient posted results have been excellent so far. If you like Dr. Konior's work and are looking for something similar / more economical, she's a great option as her post op photos have that same clean appearance. I would ask Dr. Nadimi how much hair restoration work she performs compared to other procedures, and get a few takes from other big names to see how they'd approach your case.
  13. History before My Hair Transplant Surgery- I first noticed my hair loss at the age of 24,I began to notice thinning in my crown area along with receding hairline. As a result I started feeling self-conscious in public. I naturally have very fine hair which has always made it a challenge to cover up my receding thinner areas. Next Steps And Why I Chose Dr Konior:- At my 30’s, hair loss was at its worse. After trying numerous different shampoos and products available on the market with no improvement, I started researching the possibility of a hair transplant. After a long process of narrowing down few surgeons by reading through the websites, blogs and chatting with few senior members in this forum (which truely helped me a lot), I couldn’t stop noticing that Dr.Konior had one of the best reputation in the lot with great results. Finally I decided to pull the trigger and scheduled a meeting in person with Dr Konior last year.After examining my hair, he suggested that since I have a weak donor area (specially on both the sides), my case needs to be handelled strategically. The best way to proceed would be to go through a combination of FUE and FUT to get desired number Of grafts.I felt very confident after meeting him and decided to book my surgery with him. It felt like a perfect choice and worth waiting an year (because of his busy schedule).Dr konior and his office staff has always been available from the very begining until the day of my surgery. Experience on the Surgery Day:- On the day of my surgery, the staff and doctor were very gentle and cordial to all my needs and my questions. Doctor took an hour to analyse my hair, scalp, designing my hairline and strategy to proceed with combination of both FUT and FUE. We decided to focus on a decent frontal look for now and leave the crown area for future. He also examined my beard and chest hair for future use and luckily it has potential of another 3000 grafts in case a need arise in future to use them. After a 12 hour surgery(which went very smooth), I was thrilled to see my new hair line. I must say Dr konior is very knowledgeable and hard working. He was present throughout my entire surgery and managed to get around 2500 grafts of my week donor area. It has been 3 days post my surgery and I have been going daily to the clinic for check up and cleaning. I felt that comfort and personnel attention from the staff during all my visits. I am waiting for my hair to grow now!! Very excited!! Below are some of my pre and post op pictures.
  14. I had my hairline done with Dr. Konior 3 years ago and my crown done in October. What he's able to do with less than 2500 grafts is amazing and you'll be very pleased with how natural of a result you'll get.
  15. This was my thought process as well when I went with Dr. Konior...very expensive, but the hairline is so important that it’s worth spending the extra money. That being said, now that I’ve had the surgery I’d almost certainly go with Dr. K again for crown / midscalp work. Even though the cost per graft is high, the coverage he’s able to achieve per graft is better than what most surgeons can do (and perhaps this ultimately makes it more economical). Having an almost invisible FUT scar is nice too.
  16. Hey all, Just wanted to say thank you for your help with my question. I've enquired with Dr. Konior for a frontal restoration. Dr. Konior has quoted me at approximately 2k grafts. His clinic is a bit more expensive than others, but it's obviously a fantastic clinic run by a great surgeon. I'm just wondering if people ever tend to spend a bit more on the front/hairline, then maybe go cheaper for the remainder?
  17. FUT or FUE, that is an important question. I think with each of those options you will head to different doctors. For FUT: In US I would go for Konior, I think he is obviously elite. Canada I think Wong is successful with that more than Dr.Hasson. Europe I do really really like Hattingen, their results with FUT is wow and they barely go further than 6K in total, only one bad FUT result I've seen from them. couple of dozen brilliant ones at least. FUE: I think there are some good surgeons in Turkey like Cinik, there is also another guy but I don't remember his name, but was known to be very conservative with number of grafts he do. Rarely mega sessions. Like Diep too. Belgium has great surgeons like Devroye & Bisanga Don't like Hattingen or H&W as FUE surgeons, they are good but they aren't as standout as they are in FUT But I agree with @JayLDD, FUT is the best way for what you want.
  18. Thank you for sharing. Dr. Konior recommended an in-person evaluation rather than just flat out rejecting me which was heartening. After looking at your weak donor area and your great results, I was also thinking - if Dr. Konior can do it why can't all these other doctors? Why do they choose to reject instead of requesting an in-person consultation?
  19. Hi All – Quick introduction: I'm a 45yr old Asian Indian NW6 residing in California with stable hair loss and do not take any hair loss drugs. I am considering FUE for 4-4.5k grafts on my first procedure with intention to get a natural front hairline with a little density tapering to the mid while sacrificing the crown somewhat. My original hairline has always been quite high (see pics) with hair combed back. I’m ok with being thin on the back for now as I’ve accepted I'll require at least one additional procedure. Perhaps SMP can help the crown somewhat. Hopefully the first procedure will allow me freedom to decide on another while preserving the donor area. I'm considering a procedure early next year and am reaching out for further guidance from this great community. Upon considering cost and doctors, with further research, I realize my original desire to remain within North America and under a certain budget is shortsighted. I’m interested in ethical doctors who perform majority of the procedure themselves and feel that is reasonable for the price point. Remaining in California would make logistics quite a bit easier as I could drive vs. flying. I’m not sure why some of the superstar doctors in LA area aren’t discussed more here. Some folks mentioned Europe doctors are blockbuster with a lower price point than NA so I am open to that too with an early next year time frame. My shortlist of doctors include: Hassan & Wong – they have a great reputation but I have found limited patient results to make a better decision. Their work does appear to be excellent. Dr. Pak – great reviews on all forums with plenty of results. Dr. Vories – I like his direct and no-nonsense approach and use of an implanter pen. His work seems consistent. Dr. Ferudini – great reviews all around with plenty of results. Dr. Konior – also has a great reputation but someone mentioned his costs are around $12 graft which may be out of my budget. I’ll confirm. Dr. Diep – while a local friend went to him with good results, for some reason his work always appeared good with the exception of the donor area. That along with a recent experience posted here somewhat confirms my gut feelings. I'll be doing more research. I'm definitely open to other doctors as my research is limited. Thank you to all the forum members for creating such a wonderful environment for everyone to share. I appreciate any feedback and hope to share my experiences. Cheers!
  20. I would seriously suggest to have in person consultation with DR Konior. I had the same exact problem when I sent my pictures to Dr Konior initially. But when I had in person consultation, things went better than I expected. Finally, I had a surgery with 2500 grafts (approx). Dr. Konior used combination of small strip(FUT) and some FUE. It got only possible when he checked my hair physically. Recently, I had another consultation with doctor for a 2nd surgery where he suggested me the plan to get combination of FUE scalp (very small number to define the base ) + Beard Hairs + some chest hairs. (Totaling around 1500-2000 grafts). So in nutshell, don't loose hope as you still may have option to use body hairs and combining multiple ways(FUT+ FUE) to get desired quality grafts. I would strongly suggest to meet Dr. Konior.
  21. I think we need to remember guys that pictures online will never replace in-person consultations. In fact, I would warrant to say that @nick1111 had a weaker looking donor area, and he had his surgery from esteemed surgeon Dr. Konior, and now his results look really good. Now, it seems that this patient saw Diep in person, and the others he sent in pictures, that is an important factor to consider. Furthermore, I don't think negative statements about tech-driven clinics in Turkey are invalid. I think this is a major concern in the industry, so much so that the ISHRS has started a campaign called "fighttheFIGHT" @Biceps if you are serious about having a hair transplant, you need to set up in-person consultations with several surgeons. Photos can be deceiving I can submit a photo right now and get declined from virtually all surgeons, even though I saw Dr. Konior, Mohebi, Gabel and they all said I still have at least 1,000 grafts left in the tank. Depending on the angle, and lighting you will expose more scalp, especially if you have a short haircut. The photo I took now was taken blurry, facing bright lights, and the light was reflecting off of my skin making my hair appear super thin and see through. This will happen with virtually any person with short hair. For further illustration, check out the child, see where the light is shining the brightest, you can see through his scalp, now we know it's obvious he isn't balding, but if he were a grown man submitting photos, one would assume that he was developing a bald spot. Now take a look at the video I shot in normal lighting my hair looks normal.
  22. Sorry to hear that - but you've been given great advise by H&W and Konior + other doctors who have nothing to gain, in fact have something to lose, by telling you the truth...........you were very prudent to double/triple check with top docs. I would proceed with trying perhaps other solutions outside the Big 3 but I'm afraid they sit outside the Big 3 for a reason because their efficacy is questionable - at a certain point i think it wise to just accept the situation. You'll find freedom in that. Finally I would say this the frustration/disappointment you have right now would pale in comparison to the depression/ issues you would have had as a result of an unethical failed procedure. Imagine if you had proceeded with Dr.Diep advise who was happy to put you in the chair when Turkish clinics + HW + Konior had said NO. @Melvin-Moderator i take your point on Diep......but this board should also be ready to identify when a once top tier surgeons standard/practices quite clearly begin to slip.......human nature is such that as one gets rich and comfortable, as I'm sure Diep has, one's hunger, focus & professionalism can slip. Ironically it can make some even more greedy and more inclined to 'reach' for that extra dollar. This thread is one example of Diep "slipping" and being will to operate on this guy, taking doner hair from one side of the head in an FUE procedure making a mockery of doner management best practice is another.
  23. Yessir, Dr. Konior. We are taking it slow moving forward. Just adding density into diffuse thinning. I've already had 3,400 into the hairline and frontal third with a different doc. This one coming up will be my second smallish surgery with Dr. K
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