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  1. lol Donor is never 100% safe. In fact, the FUE donor 'area' is not even the same as the donor zone established in the 1950s by Dr. Norman Orentreich. You are a NW5 likely to go NW6 so the meds would stop you ending up with an island of hair on top surrounded by bare scalp. Your donor looks a bit thin, maybe a bit overharvested but hard to tell due to the slightly fuzzy photo. I think you're probably best sticking with FUE so long as your expectations are in check. Maybe look at Mike Vories who is nearer the $5 a graft and does the work himself.
  2. My Story: You can skip to below, The Report if you just want to see how it went. So all I finally took the plunge and had a hair transplant with Dr. Mike Vories on the 10th and 11th of October. So glad I did after so long of waiting and so much research. I will try to make this succinct, but I want to share my experience. As I have a kidney transplant, this might be helpful for anyone else with major health concerns. I am 34. Let me start before the surgery. I began losing my hair at about 17, but only ever so slightly and it was only noticeable to me. My father and stepbrothers were all bald by the time they were 22, but luckily I some how got a decent mix of Mom (thick Italian lifelong hair) and Dad's genes to make this a slow process. Quick might actually have been better as I wouldn't have been slowly losing the battle and would have had to deal with it early on. Anyways, I got divorced early last year and said screw it. I started doing the things I never was able to or avoided due to familial pressure. One of these was fixing my hairline. This is just one major block of my plan to build my life for me, not for someone else. My best friend (can you believe this? greatest friend in the world) donated his kidney to me six years ago. While it saved my life and literally changed the direction of my life immeasurably, my looks took a major hit. I was used to being thin with a decent amount of hair and what young women in their early 20s would consider 'cute', not handsome, but decent enough looks to catch and eye or two. With the strong medication, I put on about 40lbs, looked older, more tired and lost all facial definition due to the 'moon-face', a result of the prednisone. My ex-wife before our divorce told me, she did not like the way I looked any more and although I thought it was somewhat shallow, I also kind of understood. I look like I had aged 15 years in 6. The final straw that is forcing me to get in shape, get back some hair and do what I can to look as good as possible came when I got a date with an attractive 20 year old woman I met online. No, I have no problem with dating women in their early 20s, just so it's out there. I am funny and can make people at ease, even in my online interaction. This is the only reason women are sometimes willing to look past the outside. We had a blind date as she was looking for someone older and more established (yes, part of it, I'm sure was about the dollars) and I was looking for a piece of arm candy. I stopped into a gas station to take a piss right before I was going to meet her. I have avoided looking in mirrors for years since the transplant and weight gain, but this time I wanted to see how I looked. What I saw was someone that, in my mind, she would likely be repulsed by. Even if this was not true, this was how I felt. I cancelled the date 20 minutes before the meet up on a BS excuse. The next day I decided to fix my looks by diet, exercise, surgery, secret Tibetan massage rituals - anything. I literally could not go on like this. A huge portion of the dissatisfaction with my looks is (was) my hairline. I developed some psychological body issues and confidence issues during my divorce that took me over a year to fix. I was a lurker on this forum for about 8 years and just started posting a couple of years ago. My goal was to find the best bang for my buck, the best value so to speak. Like a lot of others on here I did a ton of research on this site and others and began making spreadsheets of different surgeons. I started with about 30 different doctors and would eliminate them based on criteria such as price per graft, ability to cover a large area with a small amount of grafts, general forum consensus on the doc., travel expense, response rate, FUT vs FUE, etc. I think I had something like 10 or 11 criteria on my chart. I eliminated quite a few based on price per graft as I just could not bring myself to pay $30K for the procedure when I knew I could get it for $15K. When I started contacting international surgeons (please see another thread that I started at the beginning of my search), every one of them would not even consider me due to my kidney transplant. This brought me down to two surgeons in my relative area. I am in Knoxville, TN. Those two were Dr. Cooley and Dr. Vories (I only considered recommended surgeons). After meeting with both surgeons I talked to my local kidney doctor to get clearance. The final decision came down to the fact that, for my situation, FUE provided a slightly less invasive procedure and therefor a slightly lower risk of infection. This was my major concern being on a cocktail of immuno-suppresive therapy. Dr. Vories assured me that he has worked with organ transplant recipients before and he did his due diligence in contacting my transplant team to get full clearance. The other reason I chose him, and nothing against Dr. Cooley, his work and reputation speak for themselves, is that Dr. Vories was so involved in the process and that gave me peace of mind with my medical condition. Finally - The Report: I went in about 15 minutes early on the day of surgery to finalize paperwork and go over any last minute questions I had. Dr. Vories always answers everything in a straight forward, understandable way and he is just a good guy that, is as cliche as it sounds, is NOT trying to sell you anything. It just seems he wants to help and likes doing great work. We took pictures and the tech then washed and shaved my head to a 1 guard. I was a bit nervous, only for the numbing injections I knew were coming. Before the haircut, the doctor and I went over placement of grafts and possible hairlines. I have felt I have looked so much older than I am for so long, that I wanted at least a decent hairline that made me look youthful, not young. The injections did sting, but the doc. placed a small vibration tool next to the needle site to distract me from the pain. Really not that bad, but your head does feel like it has a piece of buffalo hide super-glued to the top of scalp. Occasionally I would feel a tiny pinch during the extractions and he would just give me another tiny dose of local anesthetic right in that spot to stop the sensation. The extraction, hole punching around each donor hair and subsequent removal of those hairs, were all hand done by him. The worst part of this was having the turn my head at a 90 degree angle for about 45 minutes so he could access the donor area. My neck was sore for about 20 minutes after this. We took breaks about every hour for hydration/restroom and to talk about any concerns or issues I might be having. The process the first day went very smoothly and lasted around 8 hours including breaks and a lunch. The first day he did 2000 extractions and placements with 1000 in the crown and 1000 in the front vertex/beginning of the forelock. Once he got to the frontal area, I could tell that he was really densely packing that area with follicles. There are hundreds of follicles in an area that did not have them before and you can feel it. While not painful, it just feels very tight like it has been inflated. No real pain started until about the last hour of the procedure when my donor area started to 'wake up' from the anesthesia. The pain built up over the next few hours until I was able to get my prescription from Dr. Vories filled. It took longer than expected as I was forced to take medicine that is different than most patients due to my kidney transplant. I drove around about an hour looking for a pharmacy that had it. When I contacted Dr. Vories about this (not his fault) he immediately turned around after being on the road for about 45 minutes and drove straight back to the office to write me a prescription for a medication they did have. I was glad I had picked a doc. that is accessible at any time for his patients, especially when they are in pain. Day 2 was very much the same minus the paperwork and haircut. I was less nervous so the day, in my mind, went by relatively fast. Dr. Vories only does one patient a day and nearly everything is done by hand by the doctor himself. I liked that each graft was specifically being directed by the surgeon so that it would sit at the right angle. He is very fast, but you can tell he is putting thought into the extracting and the placement. He would sometimes put in a graft and then consider it and where his next move would be. He seemed very focused. He did the final 2000 grafts the second day focusing on the hairline, rest of the forelock and the temples. It was relatively easy, and while not painful, I would say some of the time I was uncomfortable simply due to the sensations. I chose not to take the offered sedative because I am already on a lot of mediation, but if you can take the sedative and can get someone to drive you to your hotel, take the sedative. It will probably help a lot. Also, one last word of advise - If you are having a larger procedure, don't plan on driving a long way right after your surgery. Many people can and do, but it was such a relief to just be able to go back to the hotel, take my pain meds and then that night the prescribed sleep-aid and relax and sleep. I could not imagine driving a very long distance or standing in an airport line the day of surgery. Some insane itch is starting to crop up along with a headache that builds up slowly during the day until bedtime. For the past couple of days all I have needed is the 1 tablet of the Vicodin and I am asleep about an hour later. I am glad I am not having to take them throughout the day (fingers crossed). The donor area is definitely sore and I have been applying triple antibiotic ointment to it about every 12 hours. Strangely, the actual skin of the recipient area is not painful. Dr. Vories let me know this would be the case. Sleep so far is still problematic as I am too paranoid to sleep without the travel pillow yet. Another day and I am going to return my normal sleep position. I pray I don't lose any precious follicles that are not embedded yet. Below are different pics. These are not that great of quality and Dr. Vories has more professional ones which I am sure he will share at our 6 month or 1 year follow up. These are just taken with my cell phone, so sorry if the angles and lighting is crap. Let me know what you guys think. I truly could not have done all this research or made this happen without this website, the forum and most importantly everyone that makes contributions here.
  3. On April 2011 I did first FUE in India total count 1500 grafts. I was not happy with this because they did lower frontal which seems to be ok for few months then after I started loosing much of my frontal and crown and this looked so odd. You could see the lower frontal hair lines are visible in my recent pics On 15th december 2014 I did my second FUE at carolina hair surgery with Dr, Mike Vories. He did a great job I would say. I am happy with the result.[/font] It was 2 consecutive days sessions. Environment was relaxing and 2 of their staff are really friendly. I think between 3000 -3050 grafts I could not find the details for the graft in my emails. Attached the before treatment photos
  4. Hello HRN Folks, Well....I've done it.....I've done it...I've done it...I've done it. After 10 years of wishing, wanting, waiting, endless research and a lot of talking myself off the ledge....I finally went forward with my hair restoration procedure. I'm currently just about 7 Days Post OP and getting ready for the long road to recovery, and the final result. Here are the stats: Doctor: Dr. Michael Vories of Carolina Hair Surgery. We did the surgery in his Charlotte office. Length of Procedure: 2 days. Day 1 1500 grafts. Day 2 1600 grafts (this day was focused solely on the hairline.) Graft Count: 3100 grafts (I don't have the particular breakdowns. I'll email the doc and see if I can get them posted here) Focus: Frontal forelock, rebuilt hairline and adding additional density as we move toward the back. NW Scale: I was a NW V merging onto a VI. I started using Propecia about 5 months ago, and that has made a HUGE improvement to my hair. Experience minimal side effects at first, so as opposed to taking the pill every day. I changed it to taking a half a pill every other day. Side effects disappeared and hair loss seems to have stopped and slowly reversed. My crow was dipping down the back of my head, not only has that stopped, but the hair has thickened up and it almost looks full now. Native hair has really thickened up too. I'd say I'm still a NW V...but its looking like it might be on its way to a light NW V...or high NW IV. Medication: Propecia (1/2 pill every other day) Toppik multi-vitamin and Rogaine once a day right before bed. Photos: I'm currently resting at a relatives house, when I return home and can download the photos I have, I'll be more than happy to post them. Rest assured dear readers, I have plenty to share and eagerly await your responses. Experience: My experience with Dr. Vories was nothing short of excellent. I had a consultation with him back in October, via WebEx and I found him to be a knowledgeable and straight forward surgeon. Since I had just started propecia at that point, he suggested a 3000 graft procedure, with the focus on the hairline and frontal forelock, then to re-visit in a year to see how I reacted to the medication. After plenty of thought and deliberation I decided to go ahead and do it. I had opted for the FUE procedure long ago to avoid the strip scar, also I liked to cut my hair very short. Due to the fact that my hair is very fine, and my donor area was classified as average, I felt that this procedure would be my best option. His Charlotte office is actually just over the South Carolina line in a town called Fort Mill, which is no more than 10 minutes from the Charlotte airport. I flew in on a Sunday night, had the procedure on Monday and Tuesday. Rested on Wednesday, and flew out Thursday morning. The procedure itself was nerve wrecking for the first few minutes, mainly because I didn't know what to expect. I arrived at 8 a.m. Monday morning and had a quick meeting with Dr. Vories. We went over paperwork and what to expect, and then he lead me into the procedure room. There he took pictures, and drew the hairline, and the areas we wanted to focus on. After that, one of his techs took me to a stylist chair where I was shaved down and lead into the chair. I was given a mild sedative to relax me, and keep my blood pressure down. Then for the next two and half hours I lay on my stomach, with my head turned to the side, where Dr. Vories proceeded to extract the grafts. The nerves I felt for the beginning of the procedure, quickly faded away as the sedative took effect and I spent the entire time half sleeping or just dozing off. The only slightly painful part of the procedure occurred at the juncture where Dr. Vories had to inject the donor area with a numbing solution. The initial injection was slightly painful, and Dr. Vories let me know that I would feel a little pinch, which I did. He had to do this a few times as the entire area had to be numbed. By the third shot I didn't feel anything. The rest of the procedure was painless. We broke around 12 or 1230 for lunch, which was provided by Dr. Vories patient coordinator, Mike Frame and then afterward it was back to the chair for the insertions and placements of the grafts. This time flew back quickly as I watched a movie on a huge 60 inch flat screen TV and I was done by 3. Mike Frame gave me a ride back to my hotel and I rested for the rest of the night. Day 2 was nearly exact repeat of day 1, with the focus being on packing the hairline. After the final part of the procedure, I had another meeting with Dr. Vories and he gave me my post op kit and post op instructions. The kit contained a washing sponge, shampoo and an instruction booklet. I was supposed to not let anything disturb the grafts for two days after my surgery, with the exception of a spraying a saline spray on them every hour. Then on the third day after my surgery would be my first wash day. The wash would really be a mixing of the shampoo with water in a cup, pouring it over my head gently and then dabbing it with a sponge. The flight home was easy, I wore a medical cap over my head to ensure that the grafts would not be touched, as well as putting gauze over the donor area so people didn't get scared when they saw me walking thru the airport. Honestly not one seemed to take any notice of me...lucky I guess. The next few days was rest, rest and more rest. The nights of the surgery and the first three nights afterward I had to sleep with my head elevated. This was rather irritating because I have a slight case of sleep apnea, so lying flat is much better for me. I found the best way to make this work (advice for all those looking to have this done) get one of those travel horseshoe pillows and sleep on the computer chair of the hotel. Or pile up the pillows on your bed and lay back. When I got back home the first day back passed relatively easily, I did my first wash and spent much of the day just sitting in a recliner binge watching Netflix. Dr. Vories did give me some pain pills, which I have had to resort to a few times. I was also prescribed a sleep aid as well which has helped a lot. The pain has started to kick in over the weekend, about 4 and 5 days post op. Its not horrible pain, but more aggravating than anything else. It feels very much like a tightness on the donor area, and stretches up into the recipient area. I've found that applying an ice pack to the donor area really helps. Last night I had my first full good nights sleep, and I noticed I woke up this morning feeling much better, the pain is much more manageable and the scabs on the donor area are starting to fall off. The hair in the recipient area appears to be growing slightly, which is a sight that I haven't seen in nearly 10 years....exciting stuff. I can't wait for the final result. Lastly I cannot speak highly enough of Dr. Vories. His laser focus, thorough approach and truly wonderful bedside manner made this whole experience well worth it. He always checked in with me during the procedure to see how I was feeling, and if there was any pain. He always made sure I was comfortable and I've called him a few times since the procedure and he has always quickly responded to me personally. I cannot recommend his staff of clinic high enough, obviously we will have to wait until the final result. But my experience with him was wonderful. Also big thanks to the people on this form for providing the resources for such endeavors, I would be lost without you guys. Pics will come soon and I will happily try to keep everyone posted on my progress. Until next time -Cuttlefish
  5. Hello my friends! I have been considering a hair transplant for about 10 years. I recently underwent a hair transplant and want to share my experience with you as I know you are looking for knowledge. History: I’m 39 years old. I have been using Propecia for about 10 years which may have stabilized my losses, ? a pill every other day. I have been taking Biotin 10mg tablets and liquid vitamin & minerals. I have gone through a few consults with the national chain hair transplant firms but did not have good experiences with their consult nor did I feel like they were honest about recovery times. I really liked Dr. Cooley in Charlotte, NC but just could not sign up for the FUT method. Luckily I talked myself out of these in the past. I narrowed my search down to Dr. Michael Vories of Carolina Hair Surgery. I had my consult a few months ago at the Charleston, SC office. After all the research on this site and the consult with Vories, I knew I found in my opinion the best FUE doctor in the United States. Dr. Vories was the only doctor that personally spent time with me compared to competitors where you meet with sales reps. and/or consultants. Procedure: A few weeks ago Dr. Vories completed a 2000 FUE procedure over one day. I am a Norwood 5A headed towards 5V in the early stages. We focused on the crown with 1200 and the mid top scalp with 800 graphs. I was able to take two weeks off of work which was perfect for me. I would recommend taking 10-13 calendar days away from work if possible, it not, that’s ok. I want to share my experience thus far as this family of members was so helpful for me. I arrived at 6:45am to complete the paperwork with Dr. Vories, then paid and asked additional questions with Mike Frame, Clinic Manager. Pre-op pics were taken, hair washed, drew around the balding spots, then buzz cut very short all over. Took two Valiums and we got started around 7:30. I began with my head facing to the right, then left as extractions were completed. The medicine relaxed me pretty quickly. There was soothing music playing in the background. The numbing shots were painful for me, he puts hair clippers vibrating upside down beside the injection site to distract/ease the pain. I’m a wimp so I had to request additional shots during the surgery. All extractions were manually done by Dr. Vories (he does not use Neograph anymore). By 11:30am he began using implanter pens to start on my crown. Around 12:30 we stopped and all had lunch like a family and food of my choosing. Then back to the chair in an upright position watching movies of my choice. They keep me informed on where we were in the procedure and many graphs remained. We finished up around 3:30. I met with Dr. Vories to go over the post-op instructions and Mike Frame personally helped me to my destination. I did get out of the operation chair too quickly which made me very dizzy (my fault). I had my prescriptions filled, pain pills and sleeping pills. I was very careful to not bump my head on anything, wear button up shirts and strictly follow instructions of spraying saline for two days post op. The post-op kit contained a washing sponge, shampoo and an instruction sheet. I was not let anything disturb the grafts for two days after my surgery, with the exception of a spraying a saline spray on them every hour. The third day after my surgery would be my first wash day. The wash would be a mixing of the shampoo with water in a cup, pouring it over my head gently and then dabbing it with a sponge. On the sixth day I began lightly shampooing the graphs and donor area with my fingertips. This got all the blood off and began working on the scabs and flakes. Days 7-10 all scabs and flakes came off, I put my shower on a low setting so the water pressure would not be too strong. It is common for some transplanted hairs to come out when the big scabs come off. I have experienced minimal shock loss, which if it is going to occur, would be within the first 1-3 weeks. Pain: The evening after surgery was painful until I was able to fill and take my pain medication. I slept in a recliner for five nights (only 3 required) using a large travel pillow or towel wrapped up. I took the pain pills for 2 nights. The pain really set in days 4 and 5 post op but eased some on days 6 and 7. The donor area become uncomfortable due to the scabs. On days 4 and 5 the nerves in the donor area were firing off and really eased up on day 6, fading further on day 7. As I was able to wash my hair under the low pressure shower and clean up the scalp the pain eased up to a slight sharp pain in two small areas in the back of my scalp (below crown in donor area). Pain (2-3 on a 10 scale) mostly faded away on day 12 & 13. I did start using lotion on my donor area on day 10 which really helped with itching and healing. I also used head & shoulders with almond oil to ease itching in the donor area. The more rest you get the better you are with the pain, especially when you can sleep flat in a bed. I used an ice pack on the donor area to help with the pain. Recovery: As described above, recovery went as expected. This website fully prepared me to (1) understand my hair loss, (2) find the best doctor for me, (3) read reviews on doctors, (4) get fully educated on the transplant itself, (5) recovery post op as the first 10-14 days was my biggest concern, (6) shock loss will occur and most importantly (7) expectations on the final result. Results: I am so amazed at what an excellent job that was done on my head. I have a full head of hair now. It is growing out and I understand I may have further shock loss and become fuller in about 6 months+. It’s like magic, in one day I now have a full head of hair, no more bald spots. The final stats were 2020 FUE, 800 singles, 1020 doubles & 220 triples hair families, thin hair type. Dr. Vories and team: This team is incredible. They are so personal and treat you like family. I can see that they truly care about their patients and really enjoy helping people achieve their goals. To my knowledge, Dr. Vories is the only doctor in the country that personally manually extracts all graphs and personally uses implanter pens. They only schedule one hair transplant per day. Tech’s help load the implanter pens. The icing on the cake is the price is currently $4 per graph which was great for me. I went into the surgery very comfortable and well informed and I thank you all for putting me in that position. Dr. Vories personally answered post-op questions that I had on day 6 along with a follow-up two week post-op appointment. Photos: I took photos each day, attached you will find 2 before pics, then post op days 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 for your review. Summary: Obviously you are considering a hair transplant or waiting to see the final result of your hair transplant. Waiting for the final result is the easy part, the hardest is finding a doctor, how to pay for it and all the research heading up to the surgery. I have been looking for unbiased information and found it on The Hair Transplant Network. Thank you all for sharing information which enables members’ lives to be positively impacted. If you are looking to have a hair transplant, narrow down if you want FUT or FUE, find a few doctors and have consultations, find answers to your questions on this website and schedule the hair transplant surgery. I have no regrets and have not seen the final product yet.
  6. Hello All, On September 18, 2015, I had a 2,500 graft FUE procedure with Dr. Michael Vories of Carolina Hair Surgery in Charleston, SC, focusing on the hairline, mid-scalp, and conceal a FUT scar. I had a great experience with him and would like to share my journey and document my progress through this thread. Background I am 27 years old. In October 2012, I had a 1704 graft FUT procedure focused on my hairline and mid-scalp with a Coalition doctor in NY. The results were good but as a I stopped using Propecia, my hairloss naturally progressed and I decided to take the plunge once more. The reason I chose FUE was due to my fine hair and the FUT scar, although relatively thin, was noticeable with a grade 4 cut. Based on Dr. Vories regular stellar results and quick response time, I decided to book a procedure with him. Pre-Op I drove from Philadelphia to Charleston, SC the night before. With breaks, the total drive time was close to 11 hours. The drive wasn't bad considering I was on I-95 for most of the drive with minimal traffic. Plus I knew I would not want to be around strangers post-op if I took public transportation. I arrived at the clinic around 6:30am the next day (9/18) for my pre-op consult with Dr. Vories. He was very laid back and knowledgeable and answered every question my Mom (who joined me on the trip) and I had. I was put to ease after talking to him, and throughout the entire day when I had any doubts or questioned him about anything, he answered with care and patience. After the pre-op consult, I paid for the procedure with the Clinic Manager, Mike Frame. Afterwards, Mike took pre-op pictures and then I received a wash from Dr. Vories' technician (Vicki). Dr. Vories spent time drawing the hairline and discussing with me my goals and expectations, using a ruler to make sure the hairline was even and consistently analyzed his drawing through different angles, until we were both satisfied. This showed me that he was passionate about his work. This was very different with my FUT doctor in NY who drew a hairline and convinced me that this is all that can be done and I should trust him. Dr. Vories made me feel like my opinion mattered and I was very happy with that. I had my hair buzzed and the surgery started. Surgery Overall, the surgery itself was not bad at all. The worst part were the injections which at times seemed endless, especially in the occipital area where it hurt the most. However, the extraction and placement of the grafts were pain-free. Dr. Vories had a huge library of movies and during the implanting phase, I watched Captain America 2 and Superman (BTW Dr. Vories knows his superheroes and was able to hold conversation even with an avid enthusiast such as myself, haha). Lunch About every hour or so, Dr. Vories made sure he took a break to give me time to hydrate and stretch while simultaneously giving him time to rest his eyes and relax. This made me feel better throughout the procedure as I was constantly comfortable physically and mentally knowing that the Dr. who is performing the procedure is always rested and focused. As Dr. Vories only works on one patient per day, my mom and I had lunch with him and his staff. We all just casually talked and it was like spending time with family/friends. This was a great experience which made me feel comfortable. Very different experience than my FUT procedure where the Doctor worked on 2/3 patients and was running back and forth to different rooms. The initial goal was to extract 2,800 grafts, 300 of those grafts from the beard area to conceal the FUT scar. However, when Dr. Vories evaluated my beard area, I was surprised to hear that due to the density and the angle of the beard hair, it would be a disservice if he extracted 300 grafts as the beard area would look abnormal once healed and could leave visible scarring due to the increase in punch size he would need to extract the grafts. I was glad he was honest with me and we opted to use about 150 of the 2,500 scalp grafts to conceal the few areas where the strip scar had stretched. Dr. Vories performs all the extractions and placements himself. His technician loads his implanter pen. Post-Op We finished the procedure around 4pm, 2 hours earlier than expected. Dr. Vories took immediate post-op pictures and discussed the after care procedures with me in detail. Dr. Vories generously offered to meet with me the next day (Saturday) to make sure all was well, as he was performing a procedure that day. I spent the night in Charleston and was very sore, but took the pain meds and sleeping medication and slept well through the night. The next day I met with Dr. Vories, and surprisingly had no significant pain. Dr. Vories told me everything looked well, I asked him a few final questions and hit the road back to Philadelphia. On Sunday, I texted him with a question and he responded immediately. Could not appreciate that more! Currently (3 days post-op), I have some forehead and nose swelling. I look downright comical and my wife is getting a lot of laughs out of it, haha. However, I have no significant pain that some ibuprofen once or twice a day can't fix. Summary Overall, my experience with Dr. Vories was great. I was a little surprised that the pain with FUE during the procedure was more than FUT, but the minimal pain post-op, the lack of linear scarring and the personal treatment of the Doctor and staff made it all worth it. I plan to take Propecia, .25mg every other day. Please see my pics attached. Pre-Op, immediate post-op, 1-2 days post op.Thanks!
  7. Just for your own edification, I consulted with Dr. Vories recently and he said nothing about my hair not looking natural so I'd imagine it was an honest assessment. Also he said/did nothing to influence/push me into an HT and his rep Mike Frame made clear to me too there is no rush until I am ready and want to move forward. I think HT Docs at Vories level don't need to beg/borrow/steal business so take whatever he told you at face value I believe.
  8. Other recommended docs online (new set of pictures without flash and at normal height) Dr. Suneet Soni According to your pics around 8000 Hair follicles (Around 4000 grafts) can be transplanted from safe donor zone in order to get best results by FUT (Strip) procedure with Trichophytic Closure (Almost invisible scar by Trichophytic closure). Mike Vories, MD I would suggest a two consecutive day, 4000 FUE graft session. You have sufficient donor hair for this Damkerng Pathomvanich you have receding hairline, deep temples and marked thinning hair at the top to crown area, we estimate maximum number of grafts may be 3500-4000 + grafts to create the hairline and add on density from the front toward the back until we run out of grafts, more or less depend on your donor density and your scalp laxity to be determined a consultation. This will frame your face to make you look good. After 1 year you may want to come back for more transplant at the crown. Dr. Ali Emre Karadeniz You could have about 2000 grafts FUE. If you want to improve a little more, we could do a beard to scalp body hair transplant for about 1000 grafts which would require a second surgical day. My preference would be to do just the scalp FUE and see the result of this first. Dr. Bisanga has seen your pictures and would like to meet you first before giving you an assessment. Your balding area is large, and your donor area looks very thin on your pictures. You have a retrograde alopcia, what gives a limitation in the safe zone for the Doctor to harvest hair. Your beard looks good and strong, but maybe to harsh to transplant only that. Beard hair can not be placed in the hairline, it wouldn't look natural. But it is good hair to create density. The Doctor will have to measure your density in your donor area, to be sure that he will be able to harvest enough grafts to at least restore the frontal area in a first intervention.
  9. Hello all, I had 4000 grafts done by Dr. Vories on February 5th & 6th 2015. I am currently on 4 and half month post op. I'm classified a norwood 5A to a 6. I began losing hair when I was 23 (2006) and by 26 (2009) it ran its course and lost the crown etc. I think Vories gave me an excellent hairline. At 4 month mark I can see its starting to grow nicely. The transplanted hair feels like a brillo pad kind of rough. On my left side, you can see the grafts weren't placed closer to my existing side hair. You can see the gap that runs straight. I'm hoping when I'm at 100% growth by next year it will fluff up and cover everything normally. I'll attach photos from different time periods, and see what you think. I traveled from Philadelphia to Mt Pleasant by Amtrak. It was a 12 hour adventure which I would never do again! I had arranged taxi service and was picked up promptly. I stayed at the Red Roof Inn for the 3 nights. Excellent service and I had the shopping center in walking distance. The day I arrived at Vories office, I had a pre op consultation with Vories and his assistant Mike Frame. Frame is an awesome guy; he talked back and forth for months before I wanted to do the procedure. We did 2000 grafts the same day, started at 7AM ending at 4PM. Breaks every hour, and we stopped for lunch. Worst part of procedure was being still and placing your head in awkward positions throughout the day. The injections medicine pricking was a bit painful but bearable since its very quick. The morning was for removing the grafts and afternoon was implanting them. His medical assistants were very nice, and helpful. The entire team was wonderful. Vories did all the extractions and implanting manually. The 2nd day, it was the same as first day repeat. The implantation felt like your scalp being sewing with a needle and thread! Sleeping on pillow was very hard; I had pain on all three sides, almost impossible to get away from unless you sleep face flat. I was on the pain medicine Vories prescribed. It helped immensely. Scalp was numb and transplanted area felt like you had a piece of leather with super glue! On my return trip, was chaos because 12 hour trip back to Philly with my scalp on fire not too fun. Glad I didn't stay a few extra days. Within a few days my forehead swelled up to my entire face. My face looked very stretched out. It was horrible. Vories did forewarn me that it may happen. The swelling went away about a week. I stayed on advil and tylenol for 3 weeks until the pain went away after my pain prescription ran out within that week.
  10. Due to my medical condition I have chosen to stay inside the U.S. I was willing to travel outside of the U.S. as I assumed international doctors may have previously worked on someone with an organ transplant (kidney), but they all refused treatment because of it. I have instead chosen to go with Dr. Mike Vories in Charlotte. I traveled to a handful of other docs around Tennessee, but Dr. Vories (locked in a great price on FUE before 2016) was the best combination of value and what I am looking for. The surgery is in May and I will be making a new thread before and after the surgery. I have just been extremely busy lately. 2016 is my year to accomplish many things I put off for a long time and while it is going great, it does not give me a lot of time to get on here. Please drop me a line if you went to Dr. Vories with any pointers. He seems like a great doc, I guess I'll see.
  11. Dear forum members, As many of you know, we gather as much information as possible about a physician, their staff, technique and track record before they are even considered for recommendation on the Hair Transplant Network. Part of our review process involves getting input from patients and the members of this forum community. To learn more about this review process, click here. I would appreciate this community’s input on the potential recommendation of Dr. Mike Vories of South Carolina on the Hair Transplant Network. At this time, Dr. Vories is only being considered for recommendation, not the Coalition. To see our standards for recommendation, click here. Dr. Mike Vories has over 9 years of hair transplant experience and now performs advanced FUE (follicular unit extraction) exclusively on only one patient per day at his clinic in South Carolina. He is an ISHRS (International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery) chairman and is on the ABHRS (American Board of Hair Restoration Surgery) board of directors. Because FUE is more tedious and time consuming than traditional strip surgery, Dr. Vories typically limits his procedures to 1500 grafts in a single day and dense packs up to 50 FU/cm2 when appropriate for the patient. His largest session to date is over 5000 grafts over a 4 consecutive day period. Dr. Mike Vories specializes in advanced FUE, eyebrow reconstruction and scar repair. He also provides prescriptions for Propecia and offers free consultations. Dr. Vories uses the NeoGraft machine with punches as small as .8mm to extract follicular units and carefully places grafts using the "stick and place" technique with the Hans implanter. Dr. Vories is very hands on and extracts and places all follicular units himself. His experienced technicians averaging over 7 years of experience carefully load follicular units into the Hans implanters. Dr. Vories then uses the Hans implanter to make a tiny recipient site as small as .8mm followed by immediate placement of the graft into the incision. Dr. Vories feels that the Hans implanters minimize damage to the follicles during placement while another advantage includes prolonged sharpness of the blade. Dr. Vories recognizes the controversy surrounding the NeoGraft and its marketing and feels strongly that the skill and experience of the physician is significantly more important than which tool they use. Dr. Vories believes the NeoGraft machine can be a valuable tool in experienced hands but is not for the neophyte physician and/or untrained technicians. Dr. Vories feels that the suction of the NeoGraft allows him to enter only the first 2-3mm of the dermis to "grip" the follicle and minimizes transection since neither the "bulb" or the "bulge" or disturbed during the extraction process. While some physicians have expressed concerns that the NeoGraft machine may lead to desiccation (dehydration which leads to death of the follicle), Dr. Vories hasn't seen evidence of this in his hands. Given Dr. Vories' skill and experience in performing quality FUE with excellent results, in my opinion, he should be considered for recommendation. In recent weeks, Dr. Vories has presented numerous examples of his recent FUE and specialty results on this forum. Dr. Vories Recent Patient and Surgical photos can be found below: 3800 Grafts via FUE over 2 days with Dr. Vories 3020 Grafts via FUE with Dr. Vories 2000 Grafts via FUE with Dr. Vories 4225 Grafts over 2 Days via FUE with Dr. Vories 1800 Grafts via FUE on African American Female Patient with Dr. Vories 3412 FUE Grafts over 2 Days with Dr. Vories 2025 Grafts via FUE with Dr. Vories 2020 Grafts via FUE with Dr. Vories 2110 Grafts via FUE with Dr. Vories 3110 FUE Grafts over 2 Days with Dr. Vories Surgical Walkthrough 3000 Grafts Post-Op via FUE with Dr. Vories 2000 Grafts Post-Op via FUE with Dr. Vories including explanation of Hans implanter pen 2500 Grafts Post-Op via FUE with Dr. Vories Note: A single FUE session may be accomplished over multiple consecutive days. Many of the below above sessions are accomplished in more than one day. You can find additional examples of his work by visiting the “Results Posted by Leading Hair Transplant Clinics” forum and by using the “search” feature. I welcome input and comments from forum members regarding his potential recommendation. To view our standards for recommendation, click here. Onwards and Upwards, Bill
  12. Researchinhair, Welcome! As you may know, our community pre-screens and recommends hair transplant surgeons around the world. You can find recommended surgeons in your area with our interactive map. You can also view our recommendation criteria here. Dr. Mike Vories is an excellent choice in the US. He performs manual FUE and does 100% of the extractions and placing of the grafts. I've been impressed with the results he's been sharing. I suggest adding him to your consultation list. Best of luck in your research!
  13. Many clinics publish their prices. Click the following links to go directly to the pricing pages. Dr. Koray Erdogan Dr. Hakan Doganay Dr. Tejinder Bhatti Dr. Mike Vories These are just the ones that I'm aware of.
  14. Hello HRN Folks, Well....I've done it.....I've done it...I've done it...I've done it. After 10 years of wishing, wanting, waiting, endless research and a lot of talking myself off the ledge....I finally went forward with my hair restoration procedure. I'm currently just about 7 Days Post OP and getting ready for the long road to recovery, and the final result. Here are the stats: Doctor: Dr. Michael Vories of Carolina Hair Surgery. We did the surgery in his Charlotte office. Length of Procedure: 2 days. Day 1 1500 grafts. Day 2 1600 grafts (this day was focused solely on the hairline.) Graft Count: 3100 grafts (I don't have the particular breakdowns. I'll email the doc and see if I can get them posted here) Focus: Frontal forelock, rebuilt hairline and adding additional density as we move toward the back. NW Scale: I was a NW V merging onto a VI. I started using Propecia about 5 months ago, and that has made a HUGE improvement to my hair. Experience minimal side effects at first, so as opposed to taking the pill every day. I changed it to taking a half a pill every other day. Side effects disappeared and hair loss seems to have stopped and slowly reversed. My crow was dipping down the back of my head, not only has that stopped, but the hair has thickened up and it almost looks full now. Native hair has really thickened up too. I'd say I'm still a NW V...but its looking like it might be on its way to a light NW V...or high NW IV. Medication: Propecia (1/2 pill every other day) Toppik multi-vitamin and Rogaine once a day right before bed. Photos: I'm currently resting at a relatives house, when I return home and can download the photos I have, I'll be more than happy to post them. Rest assured dear readers, I have plenty to share and eagerly await your responses. Experience: My experience with Dr. Vories was nothing short of excellent. I had a consultation with him back in October, via WebEx and I found him to be a knowledgeable and straight forward surgeon. Since I had just started propecia at that point, he suggested a 3000 graft procedure, with the focus on the hairline and frontal forelock, then to re-visit in a year to see how I reacted to the medication. After plenty of thought and deliberation I decided to go ahead and do it. I had opted for the FUE procedure long ago to avoid the strip scar, also I liked to cut my hair very short. Due to the fact that my hair is very fine, and my donor area was classified as average, I felt that this procedure would be my best option. His Charlotte office is actually just over the South Carolina line in a town called Fort Mill, which is no more than 10 minutes from the Charlotte airport. I flew in on a Sunday night, had the procedure on Monday and Tuesday. Rested on Wednesday, and flew out Thursday morning. The procedure itself was nerve wrecking for the first few minutes, mainly because I didn't know what to expect. I arrived at 8 a.m. Monday morning and had a quick meeting with Dr. Vories. We went over paperwork and what to expect, and then he lead me into the procedure room. There he took pictures, and drew the hairline, and the areas we wanted to focus on. After that, one of his techs took me to a stylist chair where I was shaved down and lead into the chair. I was given a mild sedative to relax me, and keep my blood pressure down. Then for the next two and half hours I lay on my stomach, with my head turned to the side, where Dr. Vories proceeded to extract the grafts. The nerves I felt for the beginning of the procedure, quickly faded away as the sedative took effect and I spent the entire time half sleeping or just dozing off. The only slightly painful part of the procedure occurred at the juncture where Dr. Vories had to inject the donor area with a numbing solution. The initial injection was slightly painful, and Dr. Vories let me know that I would feel a little pinch, which I did. He had to do this a few times as the entire area had to be numbed. By the third shot I didn't feel anything. The rest of the procedure was painless. We broke around 12 or 1230 for lunch, which was provided by Dr. Vories patient coordinator, Mike Frame and then afterward it was back to the chair for the insertions and placements of the grafts. This time flew back quickly as I watched a movie on a huge 60 inch flat screen TV and I was done by 3. Mike Frame gave me a ride back to my hotel and I rested for the rest of the night. Day 2 was nearly exact repeat of day 1, with the focus being on packing the hairline. After the final part of the procedure, I had another meeting with Dr. Vories and he gave me my post op kit and post op instructions. The kit contained a washing sponge, shampoo and an instruction booklet. I was supposed to not let anything disturb the grafts for two days after my surgery, with the exception of a spraying a saline spray on them every hour. Then on the third day after my surgery would be my first wash day. The wash would really be a mixing of the shampoo with water in a cup, pouring it over my head gently and then dabbing it with a sponge. The flight home was easy, I wore a medical cap over my head to ensure that the grafts would not be touched, as well as putting gauze over the donor area so people didn't get scared when they saw me walking thru the airport. Honestly not one seemed to take any notice of me...lucky I guess. The next few days was rest, rest and more rest. The nights of the surgery and the first three nights afterward I had to sleep with my head elevated. This was rather irritating because I have a slight case of sleep apnea, so lying flat is much better for me. I found the best way to make this work (advice for all those looking to have this done) get one of those travel horseshoe pillows and sleep on the computer chair of the hotel. Or pile up the pillows on your bed and lay back. When I got back home the first day back passed relatively easily, I did my first wash and spent much of the day just sitting in a recliner binge watching Netflix. Dr. Vories did give me some pain pills, which I have had to resort to a few times. I was also prescribed a sleep aid as well which has helped a lot. The pain has started to kick in over the weekend, about 4 and 5 days post op. Its not horrible pain, but more aggravating than anything else. It feels very much like a tightness on the donor area, and stretches up into the recipient area. I've found that applying an ice pack to the donor area really helps. Last night I had my first full good nights sleep, and I noticed I woke up this morning feeling much better, the pain is much more manageable and the scabs on the donor area are starting to fall off. The hair in the recipient area appears to be growing slightly, which is a sight that I haven't seen in nearly 10 years....exciting stuff. I can't wait for the final result. Lastly I cannot speak highly enough of Dr. Vories. His laser focus, thorough approach and truly wonderful bedside manner made this whole experience well worth it. He always checked in with me during the procedure to see how I was feeling, and if there was any pain. He always made sure I was comfortable and I've called him a few times since the procedure and he has always quickly responded to me personally. I cannot recommend his staff of clinic high enough, obviously we will have to wait until the final result. But my experience with him was wonderful. Also big thanks to the people on this form for providing the resources for such endeavors, I would be lost without you guys. Pics will come soon and I will happily try to keep everyone posted on my progress. Until next time -Cuttlefish
  15. Welcome Joy! These are excellent questions. When it comes to hair transplant surgery in general, men are more often better candidates than women due to their typical balding patterns. Male hair loss patterns are described by the Norwood Scale while typical female patterns are described on the Ludwig Scale. When hair loss is diffuse and affects the "permanent zone" at the rear and sides of the head, surgical hair restoration is typically not a good option. However, some women may lose hair mostly in the front as you have described and may be good candidates for surgery. The best way to find out is to consult with a skilled and experienced hair transplant surgeon. When it comes to African hair in particular, there are other considerations. Follicular unit extraction (FUE) can be tricky with African hair due to the curl of the follicle. When follicles curl below the skin, it is difficult to effectively harvest them with a punch without transecting and killing the graft. Recently, Dr. Mike Vories started an interesting discussion regarding these difficulties that includes some nice images of extracted grafts. You can read this discussion here, FUE with African American Hair. In London we currently recommend two hair restoration clinics. I've provided their contact information here for your convenience. If you'd like to consider options outside of the UK as well, simply access our interactive map. Dr. Bessam Farjo Dr. Raghu Reddy
  16. Lastly, I met with Dr. Mike Vories right outside of Charlotte. I literally drove from Dr. Cooley's to his location. I was able to meet with him personally for the whole consultation. He practices FUE exclusively and no longer, from what he stated to me, practices NeoGraft. The reason being in that his efficiency is such now that he no longer needs the machine, therefor hand placing of the grafts is typically ideal, but usually less efficient. His speed now has let him eliminate the NeoGraft. He recommended the same number, roughly 2000, as the first two surgeons as said that my donor density was definitely adequate for FUE. He punches, typically a 0.8 punch if I recall correctly, and places the grafts all himself. He does only one patient a day as with every other consultation I spoke with. He let me ask away, like all other consultations and was frank and honest with his responses. The cost for this was quite competitive considering this is FUE and not FUT. If I was to come out with a high survival density and acceptable aesthetic look a year later, this would definitely rate as the best value if you consider FUE is typically more expensive. Not the lowest cost though.. HRS was the lowest estimate. Dr. Vories guaranteed me an 85% graft survival density and said that this is not actually a great number, but that the very high number of smokers in the south force him to be in this range. If he dealt with only non-smokers, he could guarantee a higher number. I do not smoke and apparently this lowers your typical graft survival rate. One thing is that he does not practice PRP or other added solutions such as Dr. Cooley due to, what he feels is lack of empirical evidence. I will have to do more research and see what the advantages/disadvantages and evidence are for PRP and whether it could be a deciding factor in selecting a surgeon.
  17. Edit:Oh, just have seen that my pictures are in the thread above. I feel compelled to dissolve the fatal deception California so maliciously has committed, as I actually received 2364 grafts, not 2346. Scandal :eek: Hello all, I am a former patient of Dr. Bhatti, I had my procedure back in february 2013. I used to be quite active and dedicated on this outstanding forum, but my studies, private life, and not at last my thorough satisfaction with my result and thus less self-interest in the field led me to neglect to follow the process on here. I then recently received a message from a forum member here who will have his surgery with Dr. Bhatti in August, told me about his possible recommendation on HRN and asked me to post my opinion. So here I am I skimmed through the thread yet a bit, and guess Bill added my 7 months progress thread (http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/172093-dr-bhatti-2346-grafts-almost-7-months-progress.html), but the more interesting one may be my initial thread on the procedure: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/170355-my-experience-dr-tejinder-bhatti-2364-grafts-fue-restore-hairline.html You can also find my Hair Blog with some pictures, which I recently updated: Hair Restoration Site for Questionmark I am not here to discuss anything, I am rather willing to dissolve some appearent misconceptions by some posters before. I know a forum is a place for sharing opinions and evaluations, but it unfortunately too often leads into circular reasoning and endless pointless squabbling without really trying to evaluate and solve a complex issue in the depth it indeed is required to, in order to be really fruitful in the end. Dr. Bhatti`s recommendation seems to be welcomed and celebrated by most, but at the same time faces some arguments which imo however are either baseless, irrelevant, unfair, or outdated, which meanwhile gets me a little annoyed, to be quite honest, as much as I am the first to be an advocate of an open and exhaustive discussion. I experienced a lot here, the good and the very ugly regarding patients advocacy, and I always, always based my statements upon a strictly objective view putting the patients well-being in the first place. Having said that, this discussion is no more exhaustive, it is exhausted, as all concerns have been dissolved, partly a long time ago, and yet still get repeated by some. I will thus try to adress them, and hope I can ease the ones who think they have to protect this elite forum against the schemes of far-eastern evil, mediocrity and deception. As you all know, due to his exceptional results and innovative techniques, Dr. Bhatti`s recommendation yet one time had been discussed, but got delayed that time, due to the issues Bill had mentioned yet. I just want to adress this real short, as Bill himself also declared this matter as closed due to developments in the meantime. Regardless of any change in Dr. Bhatti`s advertisement policy, yet this issue had been evaluated and judged without thoroughly looking on the broader context, I thus urge you to be open minded and look over the rim of the tea cup. I have expressed some thoughts regarding this specific issue in my HT experience yet, I will c&p it in here: "A few thoughts about Dr. Bhatti: (...) A few weeks ago, Dr. Bhattis possible recommendation here on the HRN was considered, but Bill finally announced that he`ll not gonna make it "this time" because of "concerns" by "some coalition members". I had a conversation with Bill in private about that, because the "concerns" naturally concerned me. Bill finally informed me that the issues that were brought up didn`t adress the results he produces, but in particular the way he promotes himself. These are issues I already noticed myself before making my appointment with him. I realised that some of his statements about FUE/FUT are too onesided. Why does he make statements such as about his alleged 2% transection rate? Everybody that knows a little about FUE knows that it is impossible to produce such a rate. Why does he use terms like "miracle" and suggests in most of his postings that exceptional good results will happen regularly (Post "What to expect 5 months after FUE hair transplant). I think I know the answer: Dr. Bhatti is an excellent surgeon (also Bill quoted that), but he is a businessman, too. I don`t feel that this is condemnable in any way, as long as the patients are satisfied. Furthermore, we have to consider that imho in India, the way products are promoted and advertised in general is far more aggressive and questionable than in the so called "western world". The market in India has to be seen under totally different aspects and paradigms, so I don`t support some claims he used to make, but I see them completely separate from his personal reputation and foremost his surgical skills. I personally got to know him and I can attest that he is not only a great surgeon, but also a caring and honest character. To get the picture of the ridicoulosly huge difference between promoting HT`s in India compared to the western way to do so, just have a look on this piece: watch?v=8no1OmuXKW8 Now please compare that to the promotional videos of Dr. Bhatti... Indians will fall asleep ;-) See here how absurd the situation is for now: Lies, damned lies: Tall claims of Indian advertising - Firstpost http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...nd_claims.html He simply finds himself on a market where ridiculous claims are made all the time, and he needs to stay competitive on that particular market. The average indian patient - from whom Dr. Bhattis income depends on a large basis - that is informing himself about Dr. Bhatti is constantly bombarded with ludacris, colorful and screaming promotion by other clinics, promising a full head of hair in every case. By considering all that, I can`t actually blame him for the way he acts, especially if you consider the psychological interdependencies that naturally appear when you are exposed to such a market. I don`t wanna attack the whole indian HT market by that, but I would welcome the indian authorities to go ahead and regulate the accuracy of statements being made in advertisements in general. That said, I would be glad if Dr. Bhatti would accomodate the requirements of this forum in the near future by acclimatizing to the promotional standards, not because I critizise him, but rather because I fully endorse him and would advise everybody looking into having a FUE to go with him" With a few months elapsed in the meantime, I still only can implicitly emphasize the lines above, and as Bill stated, the issues have been settled, even without taking the mentioned crucial factors in consideration. The next argument I stumbled upon may read like this: "I have already made my comments, but I feel this site is now under increasing pressure to accept Dr. Bhatti in because more and more patients are going to him as his prices are very low. I think this is becoming an unfortunate trend here, and wish as you state that the recommended list remains an elite one including only the best of the best. " As much as I have had a bad gut feeling anyway reading through this specific posters various comments in this thread (you know that gut feeling when a politician speaks, it sounds caring and logical, but you just have that bad feeling deep down? Sort of..), at examining this specific comment closer, I knew why I had that feeling. It always lies within what is transported within the sub- and context. The argument is implying that the guys responsible for doctors memberships on the HRN, guys like Bill and Blake, wouldn`t be able to undertake an unbiased and objective recommendation evaluation in the patients and members best interests, and saw themselves forced, against their integrity, to propose Dr. Bhatti again, due to "more and more patients are going to him because his prices are very low". Hence, not only did he reach to put pressure on the responsible people here by insinuating they would be under pressure to endorse Dr. Bhatti, but furthermore the argument also implies that the increasing number of patients choosing Dr. Bhatti would be due to his low prices only, and not an objective and knowledgable review and comparison with other options available, which simply is an unfounded assertion, denying their intellectual capacity to make a mature and thoughtful decision for themselves. He is insinuating that they made a choice against their own best interest, and neglected quality in favor of a lower price, which is incredibly arrogant and insolent both towards Dr. Bhatti, as well as towards his patients. It seems ridiculous having to defend somebody because of him offering a service at much lower costs than others, but well then... It sometimes seems to me that it`s being insinuated that Dr. Bhatti`s only ace in the hole would be his low prices compared to western standards, but that this would go along with a lower quality at the same time, which is a fatal misconception. I think we can all agree that a lower price only necessarily implies lower quality if there is a "less" in input into a service or a product, both in quantity and quality. However, we cannot observe this in the circumstances in question, and in order to overstand this, we again have to take a look over the rim of the teacup: Dr. Bhatti finds himself on a competitive market in a country in which there are completely other location factors than in our dream world. Not only is he, to all the patients favor and luck, able to offer very low prices in comparison to western surgeons, he at the same time is even forced to keep the price per graft much lower than his colleagues working in Europe, the USA and Canada, Australia, and by now large parts of Asia and South and Middle America: The reasons are firstly that the prices can be so low because of the much lower salaries for the crew, as well as lower taxes, lower costs for real estates, lower costs of living, not so much red tape and so on. Secondly, he at the same time has to keep the prices low for his clients in India because of the much lower income rate, and for the foreigners to overcome the inhibition to take such a long journey, especially for a challenging surgery, and also to compensate their higher extra expenses, like flights and hotels. At the same time he is able to offer state of the art equipment, really excellent staff (they are incredibly motivated and dedicated due to the incredibly competitive market in India. If anyone here has seen the Youtube videos of indian workers doing stuff with their hands quicker than you can look, but at the same time ridiculously skilled and accurate, he knows what I`m talking about), and a modern and clean environment meeting western standards. Only these factors all contribute to the exceptional value for money Dr. Bhatti can offer. So Dr. Bhatti`s low prices have nothing to do whatsoever with an alleged or even only insinuated lower quality and thus shouldn`t be brought into this context consequently, like again my special friend did: "Blablabla pressure blabla more and more patients are going to him as his prices are so low. I think this is becoming an unfortunate trend here, and wish as you state that the recommended list remains an elite one including only the best of the best. Bla.". And if he implies that pressure would be on the mods to endorse cheaper surgeons, it is in fact rather the opposite: Surgeons pay a good amount of money (if I am well informed) to be recommended on here, and thus surely have an interest not having to be in competition with a surgeon who offers a comparable service to a much lower price. If I would be such a surgeon, and I wouldn`t be completely braindead, I would do whatever I can to gain influence in order to advocate against the recommendation of such a competitor. So if Dr. Bhatti gets recommended on the HRN, it isn`t the expression of a corrupted forum policy, but the very opposite, assuming Dr. Bhatti is an excellent and exceptional surgeon indeed. Dr. Bhatti had offered enough reasons in order to get recommended on the HRN yet last time, and, as mentioned before, his official endorsement got only delayed because of the issues previously adressed, which are settled, however, in the meantime. During the same time, he has further proven his exceptional skills, moved to a new clinic with the highest standards possible, published an amount of excellent results, and also gave very good results to a number of caucasian patients (including my case; I am member on a german forum also and got overwhelmingly positive feedback there), while still keeping his prices very affordable. Anybody stating that his results are average at best (or sth. like this was in the posts somewhere before), or that he wouldn`t meet the standards of the other doctors of this forum, obviously hasn`t examined all his published results thoroughly, is biased, or may need new glasses. My intent is not to bash any recommended docs here, but just to put you back to reality: Of course there are surgeons whose level of results Dr. Bhatti hasn`t reached (at least thus far), such as Lorenzo, Rahal, for instance, and me, too, I prefer hairlines like Konior does, or Lindsey imo, or also Diep imo. Of course there are better doctors than him here on the HRN, those are the "best of the best", but then there are the "best" (remember there are coalition docs and "only" recommended docs). With his results, his specialisation in BHT, his personality, and other factors to be considered, Dr. Bhatti easily matches the required criteria to be considered as one of the best surgeons in the world. He surely is the best surgeon in Asia (not only in my opinion), and while yet recommended doctors from the area don`t show any results from caucasian patients (Dr. Radha Palakurthi*Hair Transplant Surgeon in*Andhra Pradesh,*India , Mohammad Humayun Mohmand, MD, FRCS*Hair Transplant Surgeon in*Islamabad ,*Pakistan), Dr. Bhatti has proven his skills according to the special requirements with us pale-faces yet in multiple cases. Also, not to discredit other docs here, but have you examined the cases shown by the two docs linked? Do you see any incredible, exceptional result there knocking your socks off, let alone multiple ones? Which results has this doc to offer Dr. John Gillespie *Hair Transplant Surgeon in*Calgary,*Alberta Or this one Leonard E. Aronovitz, D.O. *Hair Transplant Surgeon in*Southfield,*Michigan Surprised? Show me some exceptional results here Sheldon S. Kabaker, MD*Hair Transplant Surgeon in*Oakland,*California Or here Mike Vories, MD*Hair Transplant Surgeon in*Mount Pleasant,*South Carolina Again, not to put a bad light on the linked docs, but maybe you are back in reality now. Have you opposed these docs and required more material or exceptional results just as you are doing it now with Dr. Bhatti (beside Dr. Bhatti has delivered much much much more and more convincing material)? Have you attacked them for allegedly not meeting the requirements of this forum? All these docs cost multiples more than what Dr. Bhatti offers, and they surely are good docs, and yet he can easily run rings round them with his results and skills. His only unfortune seems to be that he takes too less money out of the patients pockets... As far as I am aware, there rarely are any recommended docs with more documented patient experiences in relation to their time active on this forum. Beside, everybody who yet had the pleasure talking to Dr. Bhatti or meeting him in person, speaks highly of him, emphasizing his professional, but at the same time very likeable and comforting demeanor (we also have examples of tales of the very opposite regarding some recommended docs here btw..), for me he is the prime examle of an old school gentleman, and having to read in the comments further above someone honestly () questioning his "integrity" out of thin air, I did not know if to cry or to laugh. How strange that all these smears come from not even a handful of individuals who have never even talked to him, let alone having experienced a surgery with him, or thoroughly followed patient reports. Don`t you find it remarkable that everybody that has met him in person, had surgery with him, or just put thoughtful attention to his way until now (like Hariri for instance) embraces him, and even gives rave reviews? I followed quite a lot of recommendation threads in my active time on here, and I never have seen more endorsements by former or future patients than in this particular. You won`t find a person having had the pleasure to meet him in person talking one bad word about him. In fact, I can tell from my own personal experience that he is the most accommodating and complaisant surgeon you could ever imagine, I may again cite from my old thread: "On balance, I am amazed by my experience, the journey, the procedure and namely Dr. Bhatti, who really is one of the best hosts I`ve ever met in my life, who took away my anxiety completely and made me feel comfortable all along. Most importantly, I feel that he is one of the best surgeons to choose for FUE, both small and larger procedures, he seemed to me like a person that is very hands on, dedicated to his work and his patients and who always seeks to improve further, look for innovations etc. In my case, he was kind enough to excise a sebaceous gland that stuck in my recipient area for some years for free, and even unsolicitedly sent the tissue to a lab on his own cost, and provided me with the analysis a few days later. (Also for free)" I guess there are not many surgeons who would do this, and then in this manner, if there are even any... When reviewing patient experiences about Dr. Bhatti, it becomes noticeable how many patients feel empelled to tell about Dr. Bhattis kindness and professionalism. I guess there was one case where the patient was not 100 % satisfied with his result, yet he didn`t talk bad about him, but moreover honored Dr. Bhattis behaviour in the following process. In all conclusion, claiming or even asking about (why ask?? What about your integrity, you get payed to smear him?? Oh, you find this question inappropriate, and guess what, you`re damn right) his "integrity" really lacks the most basic fundaments of research, ability to judge, or manners (or all three even). Another point of criticism by some still are his hairlines, and here I partly have to agree. I yet have written about me preferring hairlines such as Konior, Diep, or Dorin produce, and I guess there might be a different approach regarding aesthetics in the east and in the west. As a matter of fact, hairline design is a matter of individual taste and the overall harmony with each ones specific appearance and individuality, but this also gets influenced by the media culture in which you are growing up. Keeping this in mind, one might have to consider also that Dr. Bhatti not too long ago had his first caucasian patients with appearently different personal preferences regarding shape and design of their hairlines, and like everybody else, he had to go through a process of involving this into his concept. I had several conversations with forum members in the past I advised to really take their time at home and try different hairlines, and thoroughly discussing this topic with Dr. Bhatti, via internet, or later in his office. I have the impression that with all the (partly excessive) pressure here in the forum, Dr. Bhatti took the challenge and further improved his repertoire, both considering hairline shapes as well as techniques, in order to get a softer appearance (he offers nape hair now even, as I`ve read earlier, which even few recommended docs on here do). I honestly cannot imagine a doc who is more open to constructive critique, who moreover welcomes it, in order for him to be able to continuously improve his overall practice and skills (as said, the emphasis is on "constructive" ) He constantly wants to learn and improve in general, and according to my estimation, he would be the last one to deny a patient`s preference for an individual hairline, as far as it doesn`t collide with his ethics. He always was very open to discussion, and very patient, and explained himself and his position comprehensively. After all, hairline design, again, is a matter of personal choice and preferences. Furthermore, every patient considering a surgeon here on the HRN will review at least some cases, compare them with other doctor`s hairlines, ask questions in the forum, and then is able to make a mature and well based evaluation on his own authority. (Some posters here give the impression that we would discuss the recommendation of a butcher, whose poor victims would be deceived of this by his recommendation. Nothing could be further from the truth.) After this, he is free to contact Dr. Bhatti and eventually visit him in his office, where he can discuss his potential future hairline personally, and in detail. If he is not 100 % satisfied with the drawn line, he will not be pulled by force onto the operating table (probably ). Having said this, I don`t think the hairlines presented so far can withstand the ones of the "best of the best", but surely most of "the best". So I think we are nagging on a pretty high level here. I for myself am more than happy with my hairline, I enjoy it every day, and I cannot thank Dr. Bhatti enough for taking this specific approach (and I was one of his first caucasian patients, and I had only one procedure so far, I look forward with the greatest anticipation to maybe have a second procedure some day adding some nape hair) One also has to factor that every surgeon has his very own field of expertise, and everybody looking into a hairtransplant here will surely get to know which docs are best, or eligible, for which specific individual requirements. You can`t compare one doc to another really, everybody is unique and has a unique approach and unique features, thus unique results (some even have unique prices ). Only Lorenzo (imo) so far offers the perfect package in terms of yield, hairline, etc.. But not even he won`t fit every clients special needs; the patient will have to wait very (very) long for his surgery for example, and he will have to pay an amount most living creatures simply aren`t capable to afford, not even with a bank credit. The same is true for several other recommended or coalition docs on here. Some do only FUT (a topic rightly discussed very controversly), even in cases where not everybody agrees that it is the best choice. Some do excellent hairlines, but are not so good in bigger cases. Some are experts at densepacking the most beautiful hairlines, but happened to sometimes take a very aggressive approach in younger males, raising concerns about their ethics. So we definitely are with the elite HT surgeons of the world here, but there simply is no nostrum for providing the best surgeon for all the specific needs of an individual in search of a fitting hair transplant surgeon, seeking help and orientation on the HRN. I therefore think Dr. Bhatti does not only easily meets the requirements of being recommended, he moreover is needed on here, and even meets the additional criteria for coalition surgeons: "-A demonstrated capability to successfully perform large sessions of ultra refined follicular unit grafting via strip excision or FUE hair transplant surgery using tiny incisions and grafts. - The ability to dense pack tiny follicular unit grafts in a given area when appropriate." Dr. Bhatti has proven in numerous cases he is able to perform dense packing, if required, and he has a specialisation on large sessions. He is amongst the chosen few to reach exceptionally high yield rates. He is one of the most experienced surgeons worldwide with BHT, and now even added nape hair to his repertoire in order to be able to create softer hairlines. I also know of a case where he performed an excellent surgery on a beautiful young woman with deep burns over her whole head (it was on his old website, I think its gone on his new website, at least I didn`t find it by now). It was touching to see her smile in the after pictures, as she obviously got a whole new life after the surgery. He also used to perform other kinds of aesthetical surgery, such as nose jobs, with very aesthetical and fitting results. Although he specialised in hair transplants in the meantime, he has proven and over the course of the years practiced and trained his sensitivity towards personal and very individual aesthetical solutions, as well as his fine motor skills, by performing these most challenging tasks in the field of plastic surgery. I could not imagine a better training for becoming one of the worlds best hair transplant doctors, and so it`s no wonder for me he nowadays is amongst the most requested and innovative HT docs not only in Asia. I have no gain in writing this all, and having spent two nights in front of my laptop instead of sleeping (english is not my native tongue, and it takes quite a time sometimes in order to express my thoughts so it`s not all Greek to you), you maybe know how much I feel the need to put some things straight here, and how much I am convinced of the need to finally recommend Dr. Bhatti here on the HRN. There simply is no other doc comparable to him, unifying both highest standards and comparatively low prices. He by far has the best value for money one could ever get, and there even are (imo, but thats up to each one to decide) docs on here - who cost multiples - he could run rings around regarding his performance, skills, documented cases etc. I think Dr. Bhatti will fill a huge, and crucial gap in the HRN`s repertoire of recommended docs, providing a safe haven for all those who are in search for a world class surgeon, but have not the means to pay the price of a compact car for it (yes, there indeed still are some of these miserable creatures out there, folks. students for example ). Again: It seems so absurd to me having to argue in favor of somebody providing much lower prices than comparable competitors partly due to this very advantage for the patients. Of course he will outrun some docs, because people are looking at his results and prices, and then at the results and prices of other surgeons, ask questions in the forum, get their answers, and then undertake a decision based on their evaluation. This is the principle of demand and supply. Regardless of his prices, I would rank Dr. Bhatti in the very middle amongst other recommended docs, but this is an arguable undertaking, because as stated above, comparisons between docs are subject to way too many and complex factors. Having said that, I don`t think he will compete with Lorenzo or Rahal for example, they have their clients willing and able to pay a fortune either way, but maybe it`ll happen that some other docs then feel the need to lower their prices a bit, and not buy their daughters a second car maybe (just kiddin` ), however as long as this doesn`t manifest itself in lower quality, I don`t know by what the patient`s interests would be served more. I therefore think that Dr. Bhatti`s recommendation would have a positive, moderate stimulatory effect on the forum, while most docs won`t be affected by it at all. To conclude, if this forum really is a forum for the betterment of patients advocacy, and a place for the worlds most upright and skilled surgeons, it should feel honored for being able to call Dr. Bhatti a member. He is a world class surgeon, and on a personal level one of the best fellas out there. Thanks for reading, I could have written miles more, but I hope `til here it helped at least some to get a better picture of what`s even being discussed here. Greetings to all now I really need some sleep Btw special greets to Mickey, hey buddy, howdie, hope you`re good :cool:
  18. Pap, Just to clarify: the NeoGraft machine is simply that: a machine used to perform motorized Follicular Unit Extraction (FUE). There is no such thing as a "NeoGraft" procedure. In the hands of a trained FUE doctor, the NeoGraft device can produce acceptable results. For example, Dr. Mike Vories produces solid FUE results with the NeoGraft machine. Also, keep the following in mind: Hair transplantation is a big decision. Most community members and hair restoration experts recommend spending significant amounts of time researching on the forums and consulting with a variety of qualified doctors before booking a procedure. If you feel like you're "rushing" into the procedure or do not feel comfortable with any of the practices of the clinic you're considering, it may be advantageous to "pump the brakes" a bit. Now, I'm not saying you can't eventually go through with the surgery at the same clinic. What I am saying is that it may be best to slow down a bit, do some additional research, obtain answers to all your questions, and proceed when you are 100% confident and ready. I invite you to spend some more time researching on the forum and to also review our recommended hair transplant surgeons. I'm also here to answer any additional questions you may have, so please don't hesitate to send me a private message. Good luck!
  19. Dr. Mike Vories is the only physician we recommend that is using NeoGraft. He charges $4.00 per graft for the first 2000 grafts, $3.00 per graft for grafts over 2000.
  20. Doug, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my comments. This community is made up thousands of hair loss sufferers and dozens of active members. Thus, there will always be dissenting opinions of which we as publishers of this community may or may not agree with. Your opinion as a NeoGraft representative is certainly welcome and encouraged however, we do expect members to contribute constructively without agressively attacking other members. Members are free to express their genuine opinions on this forum. While members may not always explicitly use the word "in my opinion", in many cases, it's implied. Also, what agenda could anyone here have against NeoGraft, which is just one of many extraction devices which has it's own set of unique advantages and disadvantages? Most members here are patients and nobody benefits by making comments for or against an extraction device. You are not dealing with competitors on this forum, only members expressing their opinions about a particular device based on what they've seen and/or heard. While some opinions may be more educated than others, members are still entitled to their opinion. Frankly, the fact that most patient communities appear to have concerns about the NeoGraft hair transplant machine means that NeoGraft hasn't done a great job demonstrating the efficacy of their device. Since you claim certain statements are "agenda driven", I expect you to back that up with evidence. I don't recall Dr. Feller and/or Dr. Harris marketing their extraction tools as superior devices that neophyte physicians and inexperienced technicians can use more effectively than trained surgeons. By who's standards is the device "superior"? And if the NeoGraft is so much better than other extraction tools, why haven't more leading physicians adopted the device? I never said there is no difference between the devices. Where did I say that? What I said is that no device is perfect and each device comes with their own unique advantages and disadvantages. You tout the NeoGraft as superior to all other devices. In my opinion, the NeoGraft is just one of many devices with some unique advantages and disadvantages that physicians may choose to adopt and use within an FUE procedure. But many leading physicians are doing excellent FUE work with manual tools and other motorized devices. You seem to dismiss this. To me, this is "agenda driven". In my last post, I said "As a device, the NeoGraft hair transplant machine comes with a list of potential advantages and disadvantages like other tools/devices. Moreover, the success of the device depends largely on the experience and skill of the surgeon. This is true for every tool used for similar purposes. There are those who've mastered manual tools, the SAFE Scribe, the ARTAS, the motorized Feller Punch (etc.) and there are those who've mastered the NeoGraft. Like physicians, patients have their preference and opinions about varying extraction and implantation devices. But put any of these tools in inexperienced or novice hands and you're creating a recipe for potential disaster. " Then you said What exactly do you disagree with? Are you saying you truly think that anyone, even inexperienced surgeons/technicians can use the NeoGraft and perform quality FUE with minimal training? Are you saying that the NeoGraft is perfect and has no disadvantages? Are you saying that the skill and experience of the surgeon doesn't matter and that they MUST use the NeoGraft to obtain superior results? What exactly did I say above that you disagree with that makes me "have no idea" what I"m talking about? The above is really irrelevant in your argument with me because I never said the NeoGraft was an inferior device, only that it had it's limitations just like every other device. Yes, the SAFE Scribe and Feller punch have limitations too. But since you mentioned it - do you have a link showing the actual workshop and results of the "head to head" performance we can view for ourselves? Also, what were the variables? Was everyone working on the same patient? What does "outperform" mean? Are you referring to speed? This community is open to objective data. Thus, if you have it, I encourage you to share it with this forum. Sharing the results of the above study doesn't discredit other devices. So again, if you have a link to the ISHRS or elsewhere that shows the results of this study, please present it. I've spoken with a number of reputable surgeons who've tried the NeoGraft, some of who liked it and some of who did not. Several reputable physicians expressed several potential disadvantages. I suggest reading Dr. Bob Bernstein's review of the NeoGraft by visiting "NeoGraft Hair Transplant Machine for FUE". The article even cites some suggestions for improvement to the device, which should be seen as constructive criticism and not a detriment to the device or NeoGraft the company. In my last post, I said: "One thing these devices all have in common is that they are tools physicians/technicians use in follicular unit extraction (FUE) procedures. Whether or not one is truly and objectively better has yet to be determined since physicians all have their preference and have mastered various tools." Then you said: So do I take it by that statement that you agree with me? And if you haven't seen something similar to the above on this website then you haven't been reading it very thoroughly. The only real concerns I've ever had with NeoGraft include NeoGraft's failure to acknowledge its limitations (and thus, there will never be any room for improvement) and their aggressive marketing campaign that attempted to sell NeoGraft as a "procedure" and claim that new and inexperienced physicians using the NeoGraft could replace skilled and experienced surgeons and their staff. Assuming this workshop and performance results exist, one side by side comparison isn't sufficient to tout NeoGraft as a superior tool over ALL other FUE devices. Under certain conditions, I'm sure it does have certain advantages. By the way, were these extracted follicular units using both devices implanted into the patient(s)' scalp? If so, was there a follow up study on growth? Successfully selling your device to many physicians doesn't mean it's what's best for the patient. Frankly, it's the mass quantity NeoGrafts being sold to new and inexperienced surgeons/technicians that was cause for great concern. More on that later. Regardless, many leading FUE practitioners are producing outstanding results with tools other than the NeoGraft. I don't agree that the NeoGraft device is "best" for the patient. In my opinion, it's just one of many devices physicians may choose to adopt and master to help patients get the results they deserve. In my personal opinion however, the results I've seen from physicians using NeoGraft have been largely underwhelming. Dr. Mike Vories is one of the first I've seen using the NeoGraft that I've been impressed with, who was just recently approved for recommendation on the Hair Transplant Network. But some of the most impressive FUE practitioners in the field are still using manual tools like Dr. Jose Lorenzo, Dr. Christian Bisanga, Dr. Bijan Feriduni, Dr. Raghu Reddy, Dr. Kyriakos Maras, etc. That said, others using simpler motorized tools are also producing outstanding results. This includes Dr. Hakan Doganay, Dr. James Harris, Dr. Alan Feller and a whole list of others. I don't begrudge NeoGraft for innovating a device to help make FUE easier and more effective, in fact, I praise them for it. However, their aggressive marketing and initial misleading claims caused many physicians and educated patients concerns because we all know that the skill and experience of the physician and their staff are paramount to which tool they use. I have never "bashed" NeoGraft however, I have shared very legitimate concerns that many others share. I've already expressed my primary concerns above so there's no need to repeat them here. With due respect, you come across much more like an angry salesman who's trying to convince the world that their product is the best and only way to obtain optimal results. If you would actually acknowledge its limitations (in addition to its benefits) and recognize that it still takes a skilled and experience surgeon to effectively use the NeoGraft, we wouldn't be having this discussion. You may want to take note of Dr. Alan Bauman's comments regarding the NeoGraft who himself issues extreme caution. In the press release "Dr. Alan Bauman Issues Hair Transplant Alert: Beware when Choosing a NeoGraft FUE Surgeon", he says: "However, Bauman said he feels compelled to remind consumers that, as remarkable as NeoGraft is, it is still just a “tool” – and it is not a substitute for a qualified hair transplant surgeon and surgical team. Any type of hair transplant surgery still requires a properly trained surgeon and an experienced surgical team in order to deliver quality results, Bauman noted. 'How the harvested follicles (grafts) are handled by the surgical team and how they are artistically placed into the scalp by the surgeon still determines the naturalness, density and results from the procedure,' Bauman said. 'If the follicles are ‘mishandled’ by an inexperienced team of technicians or without appropriate magnification and instrumentation, graft survival may be impacted - thereby squandering precious donor hair follicles. Also, if the surgeon does not have an aesthetic sense and understand the subtle nuances of hairline design, the naturalness of the results can ultimately suffer. In the worst cases, these unnatural hairlines may require repair.' The number of NeoGraft hair transplant devices in North America has more than quadrupled since last year and now tops 40, according to the device’s distributor, NeoGraft Resource Group. This has already prompted warnings from consumer groups like the American Hair Loss Association (AHLA)." You can read Spencer Kobren's AHLA warning at "NeoGraft Hair Transplant Warning - Let the Buyer Beware" Moreover, Dr. Vories recently shared his thoughts about some of the claims NeoGraft has made: "Thanks for your input. I think it is admirable that you are learning as much as possible about the process before you proceed. However, I believe that far too much emphasis is placed on the term "NeoGraft." I do use a NeoGraft machine to assist me with extractions (I also have a CIT punch in case I need to perform manual extractions). Since I have joined this network of physicians, I have maintained that this machine is a surgical instrument and should be used only by physicians or physician extenders that are licensed in their state to perform the extraction phase of the procedure. This leads me to the question of where does the controversy exist? If it exists within the context of unlicensed technicians performing the procedure under "supervision" of physicians without training or experience in hair surgery, then I believe most people would agree that practice should be avoided. If the controversy exists within the context that the NeoGraft machine has some inherent flaw (such as risk of desiccation of grafts), then I would argue that when appropriately used, this risk is minimized and must be weighed against the risk of tethering of grafts when extracted by forceps.I hope this begins to answer your questions. Please never feel poorly about demanding transparency, it is the oxygen the whole field (not just hair surgery) requires. Mike Vories, MD" His thoughts on the NeoGraft can be found by visiting the discussion topic "Update on FUE Procedure". As you can see, many patients and physicians (including those who use the NeoGraft) have expressed concerns about NeoGraft's aggressive and misleading marketing of the device. All that aside, I do believe the NeoGraft device in the right hands can be a valuable tool - but not necessarily superior over all other devices. Doug, maybe as a NeoGraft sales rep, you aren't knowingly posting false or misleading information. However, if you are still claiming that the NeoGraft is flawless, superior over all other devices and can be used just as effectively by neophyte surgeons and inexperienced technicians, then I completely disagree with you. There is no such thing as a "Neograft procedure". What you've had is FUE with a surgeon (or technician) using the NeoGraft machine for extracting follicular units. The fact that you still tout NeoGraft as a procedure is just proof of the concerning claims your company makes. By the way, have you shared your FUE results on this community? If not, why not? I encourage you to stop playing the salesman (after all, nobody here is interested in buying the device) and start sharing your own personal experience and results. Try relating to hair loss sufferers instead of trying to convince them of unrealistic claims. Best Regards, Bill
  21. Doug, It's unfortunate that a NeoGraft representative would conduct himself in such an unprofessional manner in an otherwise healthy debate. While experienced physicians like Dr. Mike Vories who regularly produces excellent results using the NeoGraft device has done a service to the device, you are doing a great disservice by coming in swinging and attacking members who have an opposing opinion. For the record, this website consists of thousands of members who are entitled to their own opinions even if its publishers don't agree. For the record, the publishers of this community don't feel the NeoGraft (the machine) is "bad" (as you put it) but does not recognize NeoGraft as a "procedure". Furthermore, we have concerns about how NeoGraft (the company) has marketed the device to neophyte surgeons and inexperienced technicians. As a device, the NeoGraft hair transplant machine comes with a list of potential advantages and disadvantages like other tools/devices. Moreover, the success of the device depends largely on the experience and skill of the surgeon. This is true for every tool used for similar purposes. There are those who've mastered manual tools, the SAFE Scribe, the ARTAS, the motorized Feller Punch (etc.) and there are those who've mastered the NeoGraft. Like physicians, patients have their preference and opinions about varying extraction and implantation devices. But put any of these tools in inexperienced or novice hands and you're creating a recipe for potential disaster. One thing these devices all have in common is that they are tools physicians/technicians use in follicular unit extraction (FUE) procedures. Whether or not one is truly and objectively better has yet to be determined since physicians all have their preference and have mastered various tools. Doug, as an official representative of the NeoGraft, we welcome your input and invite you to participate constructively in discussions. However, if you are going to resort to insulting this community and its members and/or making knowingly false and misleading claims (which are in violation of our terms of service), your posting privileges will be suspended. Best wishes, Bill
  22. Thanks for everyone's input on the potential recommendation of Dr. Mike Vories. While the feedback has been a bit mixed, I think most people agree that the work and results we've seen from Dr. Vories is pretty solid. Dr. Vories has done a great job in responding to the community's request and concerns by providing his input on this topic and posting a few additional examples of his results. He's also presented many videos showing his technique, procedure and results on YouTube, some of which have been presented on this topic. Remember that not every result is a homerun depending on a number of factors such as a patient's level of hair loss, hair characteristics, donor hair availability, hair/scalp contrast ratio, etc. Dense packing, while ideal in some cases, isn't always appropriate for patient's with higher levels of hair loss. Furthermore, many patients require more than one hair transplant to achieve any real level of density. Moreover, dense packing and large megasessions (while often desirable) is a requirement for membership in the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration physicians, not recommendation. To see our standards for recommendation, click here. That said, Dr. Vories does provide dense packing up to 50 FU/cm2 when appropriate for the patient, which quite often is enough density to provide patients with an adequate illusion of density. Since he's already presented over a dozen examples of his results and all of them look pretty solid, I suggest we give Dr. Vories a chance and recommend him to our community. Thus, I've gone ahead and approved him for recommendation on the Hair Transplant Network. To view his recommendation profile, click here. I trust we'll continue to see additional impressive examples of his work and results in the months to come. Best wishes, Bill
  23. Hey Mike, have you checked out any of our Coalition Docs located in New York? While I welcome the chance for your report on Dr. Vories, I would hope that you check out 1-2 top clinics as a frame of reference (if you haven't already) before your trip to S. Carolina. Anyway, glad that you are finding your way around the site, and I look forward to your report! Take Care, J
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