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  1. This then 25 year old male presented to us first in 2013 and a 1569 grafts "Forelock" type pattern was used, to be conservative in case he balded a great deal later on. He had 3 medium-sized sessions in all and was seen 2 months ago, at which time the "after" photos were taken. He is 31 now. If his fringes on the sides remain high as he gets a little older, then we can be more aggressive about filling in his vertex/crown with more density later on. Mike Beehner, M.D.
  2. Thanks Mike. I am not freaking out 😀(I haven't bothered Dr. Cooley but I am sure he would say that!😀); there was a huge improvement over the last 30 days. I am just acknowledging that I have more way to go. My goal is to be able to go outside (rolling out bed😁) without fixing my hair or wearing a hat so to avoid showing the hair loss. This is almost achieved for the front, and the crown is getting there. Probably it's mostly a matter of the hair growing longer; and the extra hair (I assume/hope) that should be coming online over the next few weeks will help too.
  3. I preferred having my procedure done directly by the surgeon. The robotic surgery typically uses a much large punch size. In my case, Dr. Vories extracted and placed every graft (over 7,000 grafts in two procedures) himself using a 0.8mm punch. I had great results and the price is excellent at $4-5 per graft. Good advice above in the other posts. Best of luck to you.
  4. I haven't seen a whole lot of patient testimonials for Dr. Vories yet he seems like a good choice for FUE. He's located in the US, has fair pricing, does the entire procedure himself and seems knowledgeable. Does anyone have any experience with him?
  5. Hello Everyone, Many of you may know me formerly as 'literalno'. I want to preface by saying that username was made in complete negativity before I knew anything about hair transplants and what they can do for people. I was aimlessly searching for answers to my fears associated with propecia and stumbled across a particularly unsightly before/after ultimately assuaging me from ever becoming one of "those hair transplant guys"; hence literal(ly)no(never). I decided to make this thread around the 6 month mark ( I am now a little closer to 7) to promote good vibes for the second leg of the process since I am quite frankly not at my end goal, but very optimistic for what should be the most productive leg of this often tumultuous journey. Much of my skepticism stems from how my hairloss occurred in the first place, and the measures I have taken thus far to fix it. It started very suddenly a few years ago during a rough time in my life. I was going through a tough period and the stress seemed to spur its onset seemingly overnight. I knew what had happened, but everyone around me obviously assured me "its all in your head" (yeah right). About two years ago I was at my wits end before coming across Dr. Amaya Prasad's "Hair Regeneration" treatment in New York (this guys should honestly be put in jail for making these claims, complete snake oil). This miracle injection featured A Cell AND PRP (WOW) as he claimed it halted and in some cases reversed hairloss all together. I was sold and flew to New York within a month, paid the $15 000 up front, got the injection, and slowly but surely thinned some more only this time more rapidly. By a few months time, I knew it was failure and I needed to try something else. Next thing I know I'm on a plane to Boston getting A Cell + Adipose Derived Stem Cells injected into my scalp (I have the lipo scars to prove it) and finally my hair would be saved. Of course, this was not the case, however the only saving grace was that the Dr. in Boston kept recommending finasteride. It took my a few more months to finally bite the bullet and get on the drug. Been on it for about 2 years, with a brief stint of Dutasteride until my doctor felt uneasy about that one, and I halted everything to a snails pace at long last. Of course after all of these experiences with Dr's who "have my best interest in mind", I remain skeptical of everyone and everything until I am proven otherwise (on my own scalp that is). Finally deciding to get a hair transplant was not a task I took lightly. I got to the same point as everyone on this forum does, an inflection point where you choose to suffer and wear hats 24/7, or take a step towards fixing the situation as scary as it may seem. I researched thoroughly for about a year, combing through result after result, and was conflicted between Hasson and Wong and RAHAL. I was able to meet three Rahal patients before my surgery, and the results spoke for themselves. There was also one bad H and W result floating around that ultimately confirmed my choice, and I chose Rahal and FUT to maximize my yield since I am young and want to conserve as many grafts as possible. I was assured during consultation by Sita, some of you may know here here, that Dr. Rahal has close to 100% yield and I believed (and still believe) her words. I don't want to go into details about the surgery itself as I plan to do a big one year post to look back on the last year, I hope in fondness. There's really no point in delving too deep into the minutia of anything until at least that date. It could have been the best time of life or not but that doesn't change the only thing that matters: the end results. I would like to bring attention to a few concerns I've had along the way in hopes of getting some feedback from members who I'm sure have shared my sentiments at some point. I was grafted at approximately 40 grafts/cm squared (roughly 70+ hairs per cm). In my opinion, this would provide me with the coverage I am after, however after my 10 hour surgery, Dr. Rahal did mention it may look thin in some instances. Though I appreciate the honesty, it did get my mind spinning especially after what I had just endured moments before. I reached out to Dr. Nadimi at around 3 months to get her opinion on what that may look like, and her feelings were quite the contrary as she assured me that in the area I showed her, 3000+ grafts would indeed provide a pretty dense result. This may simply be a difference in opinion between the two doctors, but of course contrary information leads the mind to wander. Does anyone know or have a result similar to 40 grafts/cm and like to comment on how that appears in person? I would like point out that my reaching out to Dr. Nadimi is in no way a slight to my trust in Dr. Rahal. I would not have gone to any clinic if I did not have the utmost conviction in their ability to produce a good result. It is merely me as a patient seeking a second opinion on a matter that concerns me, and that's it. In now way does it reflect any negative connotation towards Dr. Rahal and the credibility of the clinic. Unlike many threads I've looked at, my grafts were very scabbed over within 5-7 days of my surgery. Many of the hairs had definitely released themselves from their respective follicle at that point, so I never really got to see a 'buzzcut' representation of what I should expect before the shedding phase as is common among this forum, particularly with Asmed patients. Having not seen too many similar examples, I questioned whether those grafts has survived or not, but have been assured that there is no real way to know until the final result. I've read from a few different doctors online that the visual presence of grafts in the scalp about a week after surgery is a sign they have survived, so naturally it has been on my mind somewhat. My surgery took just over 10 hours. After the surgery, the clinic's lead technician Mike commented on the procedure was like placing "9000 grafts instead of 3000" because my skin was quite slippery and as a graft was placed, the adjacent grafts would slip out. Dr. Rahal has himself said this may slightly affect yield, but other Dr.s on realself say they have never heard of this phenomenon and attribute that to poor skill of implanters. Of course, I know this is not the case at a clinic with the reputation of RAHAL, but would like to know if other patients have experienced a similar thing and how everything turned out for them? Lastly, at approximately 1month post op, I went into the clinic (I live in Ottawa) to see if Larissa (my patient advisor) could try and apply some topik to the persisting redness of my scalp as I had a few job interviews coming up (for anyone in a similar position, the redness went completely unnoticeable and was not a factorv whatseover). The topik looked absolutely ridiculous and I wanted to rub it off almost right away. She proceeded to use an alcohol wipe to hasten the process, but her rubbing was very hard and did hurt my scalp quite a lot. Obviously after looking after transplanted area with extreme care for the previous month, being SUPER, SUPER gentle the entire time, I was very concerned with whether the pain and tingling I felt would affect the grafts. I've read many times before the clinics such as Asmed and Lorenzo say not to even use clippers for the first 6 months as it could damage the area, but I'm not sure how necessary that really is. Larissa and Dr. Rahal assured me that the grafts were deep within the skin and could not be harmed, but I'm sure you can agree that any painful sensation on a newly grafted area is worrisome at the least. Anyone have any thoughts as to what they have heard from their respective clinics, if anything at all? As for those results, I wanted to hold off on starting a thread until I had something closer to the final thread, but there seems to be a lack of posts by actual Dr. Rahal patients, so I figured this would as good as any for prospective patients looking to track a result as it dues completion. It's tough to comment on my progress in terms of percentage of total grafts sprouted (doesn't appear to be 50% if looking by grafts/cm as most have well below 20 atm), I'll let my pictures show everything and the forum can decide objectively how it's looking. I will say that I appear to be a very slow and gradual grower, so I'm just letting time do its trick for the time being. I have read and seen many results that improve night to day between 6-7 months and a year or later, so I am hoping I am on track for the same. It's easy to get fixated on those that are early growers, so for now I'd prefer to spread positive vibes. This procedure is does not come free of anxiety, we all know that, but I gain solace in knowing that this clinic performs multiple surgeries each and every week and has been for the last 15+ years. They are masters and though the process may be long, they know what they are doing. The following pictures start with my pre-op photos, then post-op, 7-days post op (scabbing), a dr. frietas result at 10 days that shows what I mean about being able to see the majority of individual hairs still attached to their grafts before they shed, and finally photos photos taken by me at 6 months. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts on the progress so far.
  6. BACKGROUND I'm in my late 20s and started receding around the age of 18. my scalp is very light compared to my forehead. my natural hairline sat right on the line where the pigmentation changed color. (Pictured) I stalked these forums regularly but never posted until recently. I'm Latino with African/Italian ancestry, my hair grows straight for about .5cm before it curls over. I'm located in NY Moving Forward I consulted online or in person with various doctors that were recommended on these forums the likes of (Arocha, Bloxham, Diep, Vories, and Frank). after many Q&As with each I felt most comfortable with Dr.Arocha in Texas. I flew to TX on Thursday met him and the staff that same day we went over my loss and future strategies as well as design. He recommended a higher hairline than the one I received based on the rule of thirds which I understood but felt it wasn't near my original hairline. we agreed on a lower line (pictured) The Big Day After medications and local numbing was administer a strip was taken from back of the head – 3140 grafts were harvested. Dr. Arocha mentioned he was aiming for 40 grafts cm2 coverage and that my hair was straight at short length. He did the strip removal, stitching and incisions at recipient site. Technicians did the graft cutting and placement. The procedure was done on FRIDAY I was very pleased with the service. everyone from medical staff and administration were very welcoming and ensure I had an excellent operation. it was to such extent that Dr. Arocha came in on Saturday to review the post op and ensure things were okay. he even gave me a tour of the city in his personal car. he even had one staff member come in on Saturday - the same day as her son's birthday just in case some work was needed (thanks Michelle). On Sunday (Father’s Day) he called to check up on me. Again, I’m extremely pleased with the service. Has First week post op I had swelling which is normal which has gone down considerably between days 4-7. I have followed the post op instructions to the T. I have used the shampoo and bacitracin provided by the Doctor as per instructed no harsh touching and trickle water. I feel like the treatment and operation were world class and I’m inclined to use the doctor again Pictures posted include my original hairline, my baldness pattern, hairline design and post op results at day 5/6. Please contact for any questions I will maintain this thread with my progression. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT WITH QUESTIONS
  7. mephesto

    Dr. Michael Vories

    Thanks John! I like Dr. Vories and he's on my top list of surgeons right now. However, I'm 29 and a worried about my future balding pattern so I'm still in the deciding phase of FUE vs FUT. If I were to go FUE, I think I would choose him.
  8. JohnCasper

    Dr. Michael Vories

    This hair transplant website is an excellent resource to search for a surgeon. I always encourage everyone to choose a doctor who they are most comfortable with. For me.... I was most comfortable with Carolina Hair Surgery after a consultation with Dr. Vories and finding out that he extracts and places every graft himself. His technicians are very valuable and provide wonderful prep and support throughout the process. The cost is also excellent at $4-5 per graft. I had 5,250 grafts done as a Norwood VI over two and a half consecutive days. My website is posted below and filled with photos and videos of my complete journey. I’m always surprised that many folks just choose a surgeon closest to them. When you’re spending $8-10,000 on a hair transplant of 2,000+ grafts, why not spend another $350 on a plane ticket and enjoy a mini-vacation prior to the surgery (in my case Charleston/Mount Pleasant, South Carolina). Do your homework on this website and best of luck to you.
  9. Melvin-Moderator

    Dr. Michael Vories

    His rep John posts on here, if you do a search you’ll see there’s been quite a few. Just search Dr. Vories name and they’ll pull up.
  10. Hello JohnCasper, I appreciate your positive comments. Your result looks very good and natural. My best regards to you and Dr.Vories. Dr.Yaman
  11. Looking for a couple good FUE doctors for African Americans doctors ? I know about diep but he depleted a lot of donors . Extremely high, and booked out for a year . Looking for a few more. Anyone know about Dr.Vories? Thanks
  12. Looks really good Dr. Yaman. Your patient looks similar to my hair loss with similar results. I was a Norwood 6 when Dr. Vories transplanted 5,250 grafts over three days in 2012. I’m sure your patient is very pleased. Congrats to both of you.
  13. Dr. Vories, is a great doctor with tons of experience and a great track record. That said, this whole donor depletion with Dr. Diep, has gotten out of hand. There is yet to be one single patient to come forward and say their donor is depleted. I have had two FUE procedures and my donor is far from depleted and there are countless others on this forum. Just because some posters look at a picture and say it's depleted doesn't make it so. Of course, Dr. Vories, is an excellent doctor and if you like his results he is an excellent choice.
  14. This is a thread documenting my recent 2612 graft FUE procedure with Dr. Rahal. I'm a NW3A in his late twenties/early thirties who has battled hair loss over the past few years. I've done the big three more or less consistently over the past few years and finally bit the bullet on doing a procedure after some bad experiences at work and with women that convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt how important having hair really is. After doing some research last year I finally settled for Rahal. The Procedure As the thread says, I did a 2612 FUE procedure, which yielded a total of 5336 hairs. The total graft count was as follows: 1 unit: 547 2 unit: 1426 3 unit: 619 4 unit: 20 His head nurse technician Mike did all the extractions with a motorized extraction tool. Rahal did the incisions, and finally implanting was carried out by Mike and another experienced technician (6-7 years of experience). Two additional staff members assisted. The procedure lasted for 12 hours from 06:00 until 18:00. During the extractions I bled a bit more than usual, otherwise the procedure went smoothly. The clinic as most of you know does multiple procedures; another FUE procedure was going on the same day, for crown work. I stayed awake for the majority of the procedure and opted not to watch a movie as I wanted the staff to remain focused while they were working on me. My impression during the procedure was that they took their work seriously. I have some minor observations that I'll share based on the final outcome, but nothing serious. Worth noting here is that they were using a tool that had been introduced during the past 2.5-3 months, called an "implanter". This is essentially a plastic tube that reduces damage to the graft during implantation and allows for denser packs. According to the doctor this is part of a major shift across the industry. Apparently Lorenzo, Bernstein, Erdogan and other famous docs are already using this, though since adoption is somewhat recent only Erdogan has final results on file. During my consultation I became quite concerned about this as it introduced an additional element of uncertainty to the process. However, the doctor stressed to me that Erdogan's results had been amazing and that the introduction of the implanters would reduce risk rather than increase it. Pre-op/Post-op and Patient Experience As detailed by many others over the years here, this is a clinic that takes patient care and post-operative follow-up very seriously. A lot of thought has been put into the "journey" that you take from showing the first interest to submitting the final follow-up photos. I won't spend too much time on this here, just state for the record that I have had a uniformly positive experience throughout. I really like the staff and they have come across in a sympathetic manner in all the interactions I've had with them. The doctor himself is a good man. He has rock solid ethics. While there I met a NW3 patient who to my semi-trained eye would seem like a good candidate, but was ultimately turned down. For this patient there was a risk of donor depletion, and his final pattern of loss would make the transplanted hairline seem odd if the loss progressed. Another, younger patient was turned down during my time there as well, due to his loss being too minor. Some reviews I saw characterized him as seeming "rushed", however I have had the complete opposite impression. He has been very generous with his time to address my various concerns and my myriad of different questions about post-op care and the procedure itself. Personality-wise he does have a bit of swagger to him, however in a way that I associate with high performers from work. Full marks for him and his team in this respect. My concerns The industry is "caveat emptor", and I take some blame for poor research in selecting my surgeon. My intention with choosing Dr. Rahal was to derisk my procedure, which I thought I had done by going for a clinic with a good reputation online. I did not want to go to Turkey, and had been somewhat underwhelmed by the results of the euro surgeons that were available in a reasonable timeframe. Rahal is routinely mentioned in top #3 lists across the internet and I also spoke with a former patient of his that I trust, and got his assurances that a large FUE session would not be a problem. I dodged most of the obvious bullets, like ARTAS, newbie techs, dense packed Armani hairlines, cheapo third-world surgeons and fallen greats. However, I overlooked the negative experiences of forum member Sean (which I believe was due to a combination of physiology and inexperienced staff members working on him during his initial procedure) and SugarHighs (combination of factors but probably physiology seeing as the hairs grew and then shed), and some of the other rather subpar FUE results floating around here. Ignoring the fact that Sean's procedure was back in 2011, most of the results you can find are rather old and there isn't really a plethora of recent complete hairline FUE results similar to what I was going for. Some of the patient results posted here evidence poor growth, though there is clearly a trend of better performance over the years. Mike told me that they generally don't get poor growth, time will tell but he seemed confident when he said it. I should mention that the most recent results you can find here, those of zx_toth and ftbpicks, both had very good growth and final results. I guess I've attached some new meaning to "doing your research". It really means going the extra mile; scouring the web for results and first-hand accounts, and compiling everything into a timeline. Contact former patients that stopped updating. Get everything in writing before you go in, like how many techs will be working on you, what tools will be used and the doctor's involvement in the surgery. No matter how this procedure turns out, I'll be much more careful with my next one, that's for sure. The road ahead: The way I see it, I'm taking one for the team here, essentially. If the results turn out great then that should help assuage anyone who's apprehensive about doing a larger FUE procedure with this doctor. As I said, the patient experience is top notch and I'd recommend anyone that can handle a FUT scar to go with Rahal. Attached are some pre-op, post-op day 1, and day 11 pictures. I'll get some higher res pictures soon so I'll upload those as soon as possible. However, having browsed a few of these threads over the years I know most people don't care too much about the post-op pictures, the final results are what matter. I'm committing to semi-regular updates until the 12 month mark. Other recent FUE patients of Dr. Rahal are welcome to post here, especially those that are far enough out from the procedure to see how it turned out.
  15. Hi folks. So I'm finally ready to take the plunge, live in Toronto Canada and have narrowed my short list to Dr. Nadimi in Chicago (of Konior fame), H&W in Vancouver, and Dr. Rahal in Toronto. My consults with each of them went like this: Dr. Nadimi: FaceTime consult Surgery in Chicago 1500-2000 FUE grafts recommended, could be all the way up to 2400 Shes not entirely sure she can get 2400 FUE grafts from my donor area based on photos and not-so-great FaceTime connection She will perform all extracts and most implants, will be there the entire time Does not feel comfortable doing more than 2400 FUE in a session due to scalp blood supply and time that grafts need to be implanted by (~8 hours) Uses latest tech, hybrid dull/sharp punch, learned everything from Konoir Potentially a discount for future hair transplants No official growth guarantee Recommended to stay in Chicago for a week to get looked after by the clinic Seems like a high end operation Dr. Rahal (Aaron and Tara did the consult): Aaron started the consult and was decent, called in Tara in the middle who blew me away In person consult Surgery in Toronto Measured a total of approx 5000 FUE grafts available in donor area 2500-3000 FUE grafts recommended for 1st transplant of hairline, will likely need another 2500 down the road for crown and touch up, aiming for 45-50 follicles per square cm Estimated Norwood 4-5 in the future No issues doing 3000 FUE in 8 hours, they have done 4200 in a day before Also uses latest hybrid dull/sharp punch tech Rahal and Mike will perform the extractions, Rahal will make the incisions and someone other than Rahal will implant Growth guarantee and free touch ups (not sure what the fine print is around this) Discounted graft rate for future transplants Patient care team access for a year Suggested pairing with PRP Hasson & Wong (James did the consult): In person consult Surgery in Vancouver 3000 FUE grafts recommended, possibly have 5000-6000 FUE grafts in donor area 3000 FUE done over two days, they limit surgeries to about 2000 FUE per day Recommended Dr. Hasson due to hairline objective (Wong more for crown work) Each doctor has performed 10,000+ surgeries Also uses latest hybrid dull/sharp punch tech, 0.85 punch size Techs do the extraction and implantation, Hasson performs incisions Estimated Norwood 5A future recession Informal growth guarantee and free touch ups Discounted future transplants For out of town patients they offer free lodging (3 days), taxis to and from the airport, and a partial flight credit I have to say, Rahal's team did the best sell job and I'm leaning that way.. but is 2500-3000 FUE too ambitious for one day? Am I risking hairs due to them rushing? I don't want to bias your opinion any more than that, but based on your experience on this forum, knowledge, what was said above and my pictures, what would you do? Any other insight or commentary you could offer before I make the plunge? Are there any other GTA doctors that I must absolutely check out? Hoping to finalize a decision in the next few days. REALLY appreciate all the help and support you guys can give. Thanks.
  16. *CLICK MY HAIRLOSS WEBSITE TO SEE MY UPDATES* Hello Everyone, I have been in touch with quite a few people on these forums, people I work with, relatives, etc., and I know you all want to see more and more of Dr. Rahal's FUE work. I am starting this thread to inform those that are interested in FUE or those seeking large FUE sessions with Dr. Rahal and want to see the quality of his work with FUE. I am finally going to have my first hair restoration procedure at the end of August. I have been reading these forums for a while and after lots of research and sleepless nights reading, I have decided to go with Dr. Rahal as my doctor. I did have a list of doctors to choose from for FUE (from California, to other parts of U.S., Europe/Turkey), but ultimately came to choose Dr. Rahal due to the very high quality of his hairlines shown on these forums and the fact he was offering FUE. I did consider him a while ago when he was only known to do strip, but that was when I was thinking about strip. Times have changed and I keep my hair on the sides short (a fade with a clip one or near skin fade), so strip was no longer of interest. When I found out he started offering FUE, I decided to book a procedure with him. The procedure is estimated to be 3000 grafts to re-establish my hairline, frame the face, temple work, etc. The focus is not going to be on the crown as I will be continuing to take Finasteride and will start to take Rogaine after a month post op OR as the doctor suggests. This is a FUE procedure and it is estimated to be a two day procedure. Correct me if I am wrong, but I might be the first 3000 graft FUE patient from Dr. Rahal you will be seeing postings and updates from on this particular forum. He has had many FUE patients, even those over 3000 grafts for FUE, but I am a patient that is actually DOCUMENTING my procedure to show others/get feedback/opinions. Procedure is set for the end of August. I will be staying at the Foxbar guesthouse and will give a very detailed written experience of my stay, the procedure, everything related to my hair loss experience at all levels. If you think you need me to answer anything else, let me know now so I can make a note to answer that question/category. Let me know if I am missing anything. I'll even try to give live updates when I am in the doctor's chair. Be ready to see my updates in a few days. Initial Booking For FUE Experience: I took interest in FUE when I first heard Dr. Rahal was performing it at a larger scale, I believe this information of introductory FUE by Dr. Rahal was available through MattJ's postings a year ago. I contacted Matt through these forums and we negotiated with Adrian and the clinic for booking. I then spoke with Adrian on the phone at the time, and in order to lock the price of my procedure he needed a deposit, so I gave him a 2,000 Canadian Dollar deposit back around sometime in September 2010 for my surgery coming up August 2011. I have to say one thing though, that MattJ was very good at answering all my emails/questions/concerns and good at replying to all of my questions and I found him very professional. Important Payment Information For Patients In U.S. Etc. I think this is very important that people understand this, especially, those that are not familiar with making transfers or purchases in countries other then their own. This is particularly important to understand because what your cost of procedure is quoted at can possibly end up costing more due to these very important factors. Paying Through Banks: If you wire money, you will incur wiring fees of $45 (more or less depending on what your bank designates it to be). That is obviously a cost that you will face no matter what. However, there may be something that you are not aware of that might get you no matter what. That is that most banks charge a "hidden premium" on money that you will wire. Here is an in depth explanation as to why or how this occurs. The exchange rate you see in the market, is not the rate you will necessarily get. For example, say the exchange rate according XE Currency Rate online quotes 1 CAD = 1.01875 USD, it does not necessarily mean you will get that rate when that is the actual market rate. If you type in "1 cad to usd" exactly the way I wrote it in the google search box, that is the live market rate and you will not get that rate depending on the organization you use. So, in my case I saw live rates using various currency exchange websites all over the place being quoted for 1 CAD = 1.018 USD, however, my bank even though I showed them all these rates, charged me around 1 CAD= 1.046 rate. Now, that can make a big difference when you are transferring thousands of dollars to pay for your procedure. For example, hypothetically, say if you are paying $20,000 for a procedure and you used the actual rate of 1 CAD=1.01875 USD, it cost you $20,375 + the banks wiring fees. However, that will not be what you pay as you are assuming, it will end up being 1CAD=1.046 which will be your banks rate, making your cost $20,920 + the banks wiring fees. This will depend on the current market exchange rate, as well as, what financial institution you are using. So, there is a hidden premium you will face and you can't really do anything about it. This is because banks and other organizations can pick a rate of their choosing. They are given exchange rates by the settling institutions and then add on a certain % to that rate to earn a small profit or negate the risk of the rate moving out of their favor in a loss on the transaction. It could be more or less, but that depends on the organization/financial institution you use to transfer your funds. My advice is to stay away from Wells Fargo and their so called "competitive" exchange rates. Paying Through Credit Cards: Here is another way to pay or make deposits. They also charge a premium. Every credit card varies, it can be 3% or 5% or etc, depending on the card. This is their transaction "fees". On top of that, be careful of the exchange rate they use, as that will also make a difference. People have spent thousands more using credit cards because of their crazy rates when paying for foreign services or transactions. What I learned about Paying for Foreign Transactions: I had trouble getting an answer out of credit companies on exchange rates. They seem to lie, they told me they will match the rate according to the market rate, but I too have found out some of those guys lie. I know if you have a Capital One credit card, they may not charge any transaction fees so look into that. Call Capital One to confirm this. I have read about it all over the web. On another note, talk to a couple of banks, not the tellers, but the people sitting inside the bank helping new customers etc (experienced agents with college degrees). Ask them how their exchange rate system works and if they are able to send money to any bank in Canada. That is because some banks may not directly transfer money to a Canadian bank. Take a look at TD BANK, and a couple of others. Like I said before, Wells Fargo is anything but competitive. They do not give you the live rate, yet give a higher rate but don't tell you it's a hidden premium, they just tell you that's what the computer and their system is telling them and that they do not know how their rates are calculated. Yes, that was the answer given to me by them. I had no choice but to use them as I had to pay 2 weeks prior to my surgery date as that is when the money was due and couldn't transfer my funds to another bank or another cheaper service, so I got screwed. Now, there was an online service that transfers FUNDS at the LIVE MARKET rate, that may save you TONS of money, but they said it takes them anywhere between 2-3 days to 2 weeks to transfer the funds directly to the receiving bank. That service is called OANDA. They are probably your best bet you might want to call them. I wanted to use them, but like I said, my payment was due 2 weeks prior to surgery, and at the risk of them taking 2-3 days to 2 weeks to transfer, it would have collided with my surgery date or after. I found out about them the same day I was getting ready to transfer money. Was too late, unfortunately. So, take a look. Give them a call. Here is their website link. I am not promoting them, but rather helping you out by using them to save money possibly. Here is the link: Money Transfer | Send Money Online | OANDA FXGlobalTransfer You can calculate the LIVE market rate and the amount you will pay right now at the link I posted above. You are going to convert USD to send Canadian. I think their services are only available for American and Canadian consumers. So, foreign customers may have to find their own service to transfer large sums of money. Call and ask them all questions regarding the bank you will transfer to, how long will it take, your total costs, how it works, and etc. If you want to book surgery in Canada, i'd use a credit card to pay for deposit and then pay the rest using the service that gives you the BEST rate of transfer. Again, stay away from Wells Fargo, I say this from experience. Good Luck. I think people should be aware of these things when doing business anywhere outside their own country. Do your research on exchange rates and picking the best financial institutions offering the best rates. It can save you lots of money on top of an expensive hair restoration process. I really want forum members to be aware of this when it comes to foreign transactions. Whether you do your procedure in the U.S., Canada, Turkey, Europe, Etc., you need to be aware. For some, price may not be a factor, but for most of the public it is. My Arrival Experience: I chose to drive to Canada. It was a smart move considering most flights were either cancelled or the prices were inflated due to the hurricane "Irene". I did see some downed trees or very minor flooding during my drive past northern New York. It was a long drive to Ottawa. Took around 7-8 hours. The guards at the border asked why I was going to Ottawa. I had to show them some papers about surgery and the clinic address. They asked me what kind of surgery and I told them hair restoration/hair transplant. I drove straight to Dr. Rahal's clinic, started filling and looking through consent forms, met Dr. Rahal and asked questions, got an idea of hairline design for tomorrow, met the owner of Foxbar, and now currently typing from Foxbar. Surgery is on August 31st & September 1st. Any Issues: Just slight traffic. No problems at the border. Consent forms: These will scare you as they will reveal new things about the hair restoration process that you weren't really aware of before nor openly discussed or mentioned on these forums to a greater degree or at all. I'll explain what I mean later in depth or not. One example that you initial and understand that 10% of the patients could lose their transplanted donor hair. This is probably under certain circumstances though. Hairline design: My initial concern/restoration goal is related to the frontal hairline/temple areas. I want a hairline to reduce the look of a larger/wider forehead before I booked this procedure up until now. Before I started receding, my hair would cover up the look of my large forehead but now my forehead looks larger due to recession. Hair recession caused it to look larger/wider. My temple area was more defined at age 21 and since it isn't anymore at age 29, hair restoration is my only hope to re-construct/re-establish those areas as well. I feel a better constructed hairline/temple area/lower hairline is key to that. After my initial pre-op/meeting upon my initial arrival to Ottawa/Dr. Rahal's clinic (Aug 30, 2011), Dr. Rahal did create an example hairline on me the day before my procedure. I did tell him of my interest in re-establishing my widows peak and he said we could work that area as well. I did bring some photos of patients from his website that I thought the quality of work done was ideal to my goals, as well as some indian actor's photo to explain what I was looking for. He drew the hairline design on the temple area of the indian actor's photo he suggested would suit me. He did not want the temple area to be the same as the indian actor's as he explained it may look more like a feminine temple design. This area I am kind of unsure about because my goal was to have a similar temple design I had since my original temple design at age 21 reduced the look of a wider forehead. That wider/larger forhead issue was such a concern that I even contemplated a serious procedure such as forehead reduction once before. My concern now is depending on the transplantation/angulation of my temple area, if I will be confident enough to stick my hair up in the front, (this will depend on how wide my forehead will look in conjunction to the temple design, will it look less or more or in between to my goals, I don't know yet). This will be based on the temple design and hairline design Dr. Rahal is suggesting. I will show what I mean about the temple design by uploading that actor's photo and an in depth explanation of the design Dr. Rahal drew on that photo in depth. However, Dr. Rahal will create an official/exact hairline today before my procedure (7:00AM Aug 31,2011), so I will update you all again if any changes were made. Procedure estimation completion time: At the pre-op on August 30, 2011. Dr. Rahal told me that this procedure can take one day or two days. I believe im the only patient booked for the 31st. Depending on certain factors 3000 grafts can be done in a day or will be broken into two days. We are shooting for the full 3000 grafts, I really dont't want less but he will reimburse for grafts not used. My concern is if lesser amount of grafts are used, will it reach my goals or will I have to come back in a short time period to get a touch up. I'd like to wait a couple of years with peace of mind before returning for future procedures when I am busy focusing on my career. So, I want the foundation of my hair restoration procedure established well the first time around. If I need more grafts then so be it, but I want a stress free foundation to grow with. I don't want to return to focus on the same zones in the future, but rather move on to a different unworked zone for any possible future sessions. Pre-Op On FUE Session Day 1 Before Procedure: Dr. Rahal again discussed hairline, temple areas, and answered my other questions/concerns. Procedure FUE Day 1: I spoke with Dr. Rahal once more to design hairline and get pictures taken before I was headed for my procedure. Immediate Post-Op FUE Session/Checkup Day 1 August 31st Duration: Estimated procedure time from 7:20AM to 7:40PM Experience: At the beginning of the procedure, during the freezing of the scalp, I felt the shots were painful, towards the middle of the procedure I didn't feel much but as we got closer to the end, the freezing wore off on and off. I tried to be like rambo and absorb some of the pain, but when I couldn't id request some pain relief. This was a very long procedure. It felt like it was never going to end. Even when it did end, it wasn't over yet. Dr. Rahal is a perfectionist, he felt that something did not look how he wanted, he sat me back in the chair and did what he had to do until he was satisfied he did a great job. So, he tweaked a few FUE hairs to a location on the scalp he found they would look best placed in. I got some pictures taken and was given a kit to use when I go back home that had everything I needed to care for my grafts. Discomfort Level (Scale 1-10): Freezing shots 8 discomfort, Middle of procedure 4 discomfort, End of procedure 6 discomfort. When I got back to the guest house, I was in mild to severe pain throughout the night. Pain killers did work to some extent, but that severe pain was mostly gone the next day, the sides were still sensitive though. Some people can manage with the pain, but I think it being a very long procedure, and me being tired, that could of played a role to my pain level. I barely had any sleep the night before my procedure thinking about it all night about what to expect in the next couple of hours. Post-Op FUE Check Up Day 2 September 1st Experience: Was in for a daily cleaning and check up. Everything looked good with the grafts and donor area. I got some swelling going on. Discomfort Level (Scale 1-10): Between 6-7 , there was discomfort in the front, sides, back, all around it seemed a day after my procedure when I went for my initial cleaning Post-Op FUE Check Up Day 3 September 2nd Experience: Was in for a daily cleaning and check up. Everything looked good with the grafts and donor area. I got some serious swelling going on. Discomfort Level (Scale 1-10): Between 3-4 , sensitive in the back of my head and , especially, the sides Post-Op FUE Check Up Day 4 September 3rd Experience: Was in for a daily cleaning and check up. Everything looked good with the grafts and donor area. I got swelling still, especially on my lower eyelids. I can see better then I was able to the day before though. The swelling on the upper eyelid has reduced. Discomfort Level (Scale 1-10): Between 1-2, this was especially when I was getting the sides of my head cleaned. Departure September 3rd 7:20AM Experience: Left the clinic after my last cleaning/checkup and then left Ottawa, the roads were clear, no trouble at the border, got home by 2:20pm. I actually got home quicker then I did when I drove to Canada. I stopped along the way around two times to spray my grafts to keep them moist with the solution given to me. I did have swelling still, primarily on my forehead and underneath my eyes. The top of my eyelids were not swollen as they were the day before, that day I could not have drove back home, so I had to stay an extra day at the Foxbar guesthouse. Total Graft Breakdown: A total of 3016 grafts were implanted. 1091 singles, 1439 doubles, 407 threes, 79 fours, is the graft breakdown. Density consists of 65cm on hairline, behind hairline it is 55cm, sides are 50 cm, overall it is 58cm density. Dr. Rahal's clinic Experience: The clinic itself looks great. The waiting area and the surgical rooms are all well designed and super clean. Parking can be full as it was when I got there, but I found a space. Not really a big issue. The place looked as it should be and how it should be for such procedures. The operating room was nice and open area, it wasn't small or cluttered, gave me a comfortable feel for my surgery. There was a lcd tv in front of me, that was turned on when the grafts were being implanted. There was a decent size list to pick movies to watch from. Overall, I was impressed. Dr. Rahal's Staff Experience: The staff is absolutely amazing. They definitely try to keep you comfortable and show great concern. They were worried about me when I was dizzy/helped me resolve that issue. That sometimes happens when your in a certain position for a long time. They wanted to make sure I was comfortable during the process, provided me movies to watch. Were very concerned if I had adequate food after the procedure as well and etc. I was served plenty of fluids throughout the procedure, given food for lunch. Blood pressure and pulse were checked often. Everything seemed so precise. Everyone treated me well and I felt very comfortable with everyone. Dr. Rahal was great at answering all my concerns, he was making sure I was comfortable throughout the process, we even talked throughout the procedure. There were multiple techs working alongside with Dr. Rahal. That made me feel even more comfortable as there are many eyes watching, analyzing, and working during my procedure. I am very pleased with the quality of service and care provided by Dr. Rahal and his entire staff throughout my entire stay. I want to especially thank Dr. Rahal, Mike & other techs, as well as Tara and MattJ who answered my questions regarding bookings and etc. Foxbar Guesthouse Experience: This is very important for anyone coming in for surgery with Dr. Rahal. This has got to be the best place to stay for Dr. Rahal's patients. It beats hotels, the prices are fair (way cheaper then hotel prices), you got a self serve breakfast, you can walk outside, in the backyard, you have room to roam around, there are plenty of places to eat around the area, best of all it's right by Dr. Rahal's clinic ( you just have to walk like 2-3 blocks). It is so convenient. I think it is the ideal place if you are going to get a hair transplant with Dr. Rahal. The owner is a nice guy and he goes out of his way to make sure you are satisfied and happy. The rooms are clean, they got the right recliners in the house to sleep at a 45 degree angle, the place has wifi, I mean I can just keep going on and on. They even have a supply of medical covers for pillows and all that good stuff after your procedure. You got everything it seems. You can check out the pictures of the place on its website. You get to meet and talk to people that are in the same shoes as you. They either have gone through surgery or about to and you sit and talk with them and it's very comforting. Everyone I met there, were great people and we each shared our experiences, feelings about the procedure etc.. I was the only FUE procedure there at that time, everyone else got strip, but this made the whole hair restoration process easier. Getting to know the people and making friends to compare your results later with as well. You can't find that at any other hotel or place. It eases your mind about the whole process. So, if you are to get a procedure in the future with Dr. Rahal, definitely try to find out if the Foxbar Guesthouse is booked or not, it will make your life easier throughout the whole process. Try to book it around your procedure or book your procedure around the days it is available for reservations. I highly recommend you book it for at least like 4-5 days though, due to possible swelling and other issues with the transplant healing process. Don't just think you need to book a day and your good to go the next day, there are several factors that may prolong your stay. Keep in mind you can get daily cleanings at the clinic during your stay. So, I went everyday after my surgery for a morning cleaning, so I didn't have to do the cleaning myself. The clinic did it for me. So, that's why it may be worthwhile to get a 4-5 days booking at least. So, you can just walk to your daily cleanings instead of having to take a taxi or drive there. This place made a lot of things easy on me when I got there and after my procedure. If I ever have to go again for a procedure in the future, i'll be staying here again for sure. Any Other Tips: Remember to bring very comfy clothes to sit through your procedure, have a couple of button up shirts ready as you can easily get in and out of them, unlike tshirts which can harm your grafts when you take them off. Remember to bring sufficient amount of Canadian currency for your stay if you are coming from out of the country. Using Canadian currency will help you reduce the crazy transaction fees on credit cards. It will help you with the local restaurants and other things. You will be ordering food for delivery most likely in the days after your procedure as some of you might not feel comfortable going out with the medical cap that makes you look like a patient or doctor in public. I maybe went out twice and had delivery done for the rest of my stay. Post Op 9/4/2011 I still have some swelling, but am following the post operative instructions carefully. Taking the medications as prescribed, cleaning as I should be, everything. Sleeping at a 45 degree angle still. Post Op 9/5/2011 Swelling has gone down considerably, but I still have some. Still following all post operative instructions and taking the antibiotics as described. Cleaning as directed and everything. I don't really feel any pain or discomfort anymore. It's looking good. Still sleeping at a 45 degree angle. Post Op 9/6/2011 Swelling is pretty much gone. Still following all instructions and taking antibiotics as described. Cleaning as directed and everything. Don't really feel pain, but rather slight very slight irritation in the donor area when I clean though. But I guess with time, that will go away. No longer sleeping at 45 degree angle and finally had a chance to sleep on the bed rather then the recliner. Post Op 9/7/2011 Swelling is gone now. Following all post of instructions. No pain. Rarely any irritation in the donor area. Scabs in recipient zone seem like they are about to fall. Post Op 9/8/2011 Scabs are falling. No irritation at all now and no pain whatsoever. Following post op instructions still. Hills and valleys formed well on recipient zone. Post Op 9/9/2011 Just following all post op instructions. Everything is looking good. Scabs are falling. Post Op 9/10/2011 through 9/14/2011 Still have scabs, some have fallen some areas still have scabs in the front. Everything else is looking good. Still following all post op instructions. I did post photos in this thread around 9/12/2011 showing the scabbing for you all to see. Post Op 9/15/2011 Scabs still around, took a shower today but let the water hit the scabbed area hoping to loosen them up and let them fall. This is the first time I have done it this way after I was told to do so by patient care. I will do this probably until 9/17/2011. I will do this twice a day to loosen them up. Key is not to touch the recipient area yet and to let them fall on their own as I was told. After that, I will get contact patient care to get further instructions. Other then that, everything is looking good. *As of 8/25/11, I do not work for anyone on this forum, all opinions expressed are my own. I am posting this experience out of my own free will for those going through hair loss. I am not being compensated for this nor am I told to post this by anyone at Dr. Rahal's clinic. This is my own way of helping my fellow forum members that are interested in FUE & interested in seeing Dr. Rahal's FUE work because I have had numerous messages between a lot of people regarding that. Now, I feel it is ethical of me to inform and give an honest account with as much detail as possible for those interested. I do have a poll that indicates various options. That poll is my own poll because I work in the business field and I would like to know if such reviews have an impact on consumers, kind of like my own business research study. In the end, this review can either be positive or negative, this will depend on the outcome on my scalp when my results are fully grown. I will be documenting everything. Granted Dr. Rahal has created impressive hairlines on his patients based on his patient photos, however, I will be basing this review on my own scalp. So, this is to assure everyone that there is no bias here and I will carefully analyze my own results, but ask other forum members if they can also give me their total honest opinion each and every step of the process. I don't care if it is with high praise or critical etc., just as long as your honest about it, that's what matters to me the most and that is what helps others. I chose Dr. Rahal because I feel he can achieve what I want, based on research and results. These photos and any photos I post can't be used without my permission, since they show the work Dr. Rahal did on my scalp. Only he has the right to show these as I gave him permission to do so. Dr. Rahal is the only one given my consent to show these photos. It is copyrighted material. There are clinics that take photos and pass them as their own or other hair loss companies that do so. No one else has permission to use these unless I say so. So, if found elsewhere on other websites, companies, etc, other then where I have posted, I will pursue those involved to the highest extent of the law. These photos and any photos I post here, are being shown here by me for opinions/advice/feedback and to help forum members get an idea of how my FUE was. Thanks.*
  17. Melvin-Moderator

    Michael Vories, MD FUE 3000 Grafts

    Great work Dr. Vories 👏
  18. This 65 year old man over the past 4 years has had three hair transplant sessions. He has an advanced Norwood Class VI or a borderline Class VII pattern of hair loss with an enormous bald area in need of coverage. Overall, he has received 4801 FU grafts and 831 MFU grafts (4-5 hairs each) for a total of 12,067 hairs. Although it is impossible to totally fill in this size of a vertex (crown), I sought to plant "light coverage" through out that area, with the hairs directed in a natural "whorl" arrangement, spinning off of the centerpoint. He has enough strong hair up on top and toward the front, that he is able to style his hair so that many of them are brought backwards over a large part of the crown.The lighting of one of the photos is a little too bright to make out all the detail of the FU's placed back there. He uses a small amount of Toppik also in his styling regimen and says that, when he is done, it looks like a full head of hair from all angles. He plans one more session of around 1500 FU's, which we will mainly place in the crown area in back. Mike Beehner, M.D.
  19. Thank you.....NO. I’ll take my 7,125 grafts all extracted and placed by the hand of Dr. Vories. I believe the Artas Robot uses a relatively large punch size as well. Well said....Spanker and others.
  20. This 54 year old man was treated for his hair loss with a collection of bizarre surgical procedures on the scalp. He has been very self-conscious of his appearance, and, although well educated, he has been restricted to menial jobs where he can wear a hat all the time. He was limited financially, but we worked out a plan that in a single session would at least make him feel better about his appearance. One of the photos shows the various zones we decided to transplant with the limited donor hair he had available. He received a total of 1340 grafts, of which 1040 were FU's (30% 1-hair; 60% 2-hairs; 10% 3 hairs.) and 300 were small round 1.3mm diameter MFU sites in the large front-central area delineated on the photo showing his plan. He hopes to return for a second session in the coming year. The "after" photos were taken almost exactly one year after his surgery. His initial off-shore surgery was performed 25 years ago. Mike Beehner, M.D.
  21. SOMDGUY

    Ready to do it

    I decided on FUE on my own because I like to wear my hair pretty short in the back. I definitely plan to do more research before I move forward. It really pays to do so. I found another place called Maryland Hair Restoration with a Dr. Balvant Arora. Website claims he “is among the most experienced Neograft hair restoration physicians in the United States” yet when I try to find reviews on him all I can find are plastic surgery reviews. Not a single HT review. I’ve been looking more on this site and am thinking about contacting Dr. Vories for a consult.
  22. Hi All, I had a 2,500 graft procedure with Dr. Vories focused on my hairline, midscalp and FUT scar concealment on September 18th, 2015. You can follow my progress in the thread linked in my signature below. I decided to create another thread specifically for my 1 year results. Since my procedure, I have been on .25/mg Propecia every other day (every day since last month) and Kirkland Minoxidil at least 1x/day. My pictures below are in the following order: 1) Pre-op, before any transplants with Dr. True and Dr. Vories (first 3) 2) Pre-op pics before Dr. Vories and 3 years after Dr. True (next 3) 3) Immediate post-op with Dr. Vories (next 3) 4) 1 year progress (last 6) I notice a little inconsistency in the density in my hairline (left side denser than right) but not too noticeable. Overall, I am happy. Please provide your feedback, thanks!
  23. Hello all, Been a lurker to not just this forum, but a few others (including reddit) and decided to join this one and create a post. So a little about me (please bare with me lol). I'm 33 now, Back when I was about 23, I believe, the girl who used to cut my hair pointed out that I had a thin spot on my crown. The reason she pointed it out, besides the fact that she was a family friend, is that she always knew me to have very thick, very coarse hair. I still sorta do. I hopped on rogaine not too far after that, and then upped the ante by going on finasteride, or propecia (it's now generic finasteride that i'm taking currently), when I noticed that my hairline was beginning to weaken, which was around 26-27. Was only on it for maybe 3 years, when I got off of it (was expensive before i found out i could get generic for a fraction of the cost). All in all, I've been back on it for well over a year now. Despite my proactivity in my fight back for hairloss, I'm slowly losing the battle and am looking to buy time. I've been exploring and researching hair transplants for a few years now. Prob since 2015. I've seen some absolute works of art, I've also seen the absolute worst surgeries imaginable, but what my research has concluded is that this is something you absolutely MUST do your homework on, and that you really only want the best in the field to do the work. It wasn't until recently that I decided to take it a step further and get consultations, and I've limited it to just right now. Hasson and Wong, and Chicago Hair Institute. I've had 2 online consults with hasson and wong, with a guy named mike over a span of 2 years, the last one being last week. Been interested in Dr. Hasson for as long as I"ve been doing research. Both consults, not much has changed in the recommendation of 3000 grafts to fill in hairline and crown, but I never pulled the trigger because well, i never thought it would get worse over the long term and my loss has pretty much been stable (and yknow, MONEY). But as of recently, i was picked up by reputable talent agency on the east coast, and given the unfortunate circumstances of vanity and the nature of the industry, i've been extremely critical of my friends on the top of my head. After doing more research, and discovering the talents of Dr. Konior, (as well as the lack of availability from what I've seen in these forums), I decided to send in my photos to the Chicago Hair institute. There was a page on the site that was for out of town patients, and they care about discreetness and a timeline as to when i could wear a hat and go home, and that spoke volumes to me as I'd really like to be as discreet as humanly possible. I was contacted by Dr. Nadimi, who gave me essentially the same graft estimate that H&W gave me, and I'll be booking a facetime consultation with her coming up. I'll show photos of my situation as well, but I'm curious as to anyone's dealings with Dr. Nadimi. From what I've experienced and understand so far, is that she's worked under and been trained by Konior, and that she's all business. And that her quality of work is good, but there's not much info on her results, in the regard that there are volumes on Koniors work. Right now, she's the front runner given her locale (my uncle lives 8 miles from the clinic, so i can ask to stay with him), and that she also emailed me directly. That truly impressed me TBH. Konior is booked over a year out, and i want to get this done sooner rather than later. Any and all info would be great!
  24. JohnCasper

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    Everyone’s donor area yield is different. I agree with previous post, with your hair grown out, it should look fine. My first surgery was 5,125 grafts and a second surgery yielded 2,000 more. When I attended the International Hair Restoration conference with Dr. Vories....and was on display...hair surgeons were encouraging me to move 2,000 more to the crown area. Let your hair grow out and I’m sure you will be pleased.
  25. Hello All, My FUE procedure was completed 4-5 November 2015. 4000 grafts total, mostly two counts: about 8000 hairs total. I am happy with the hairline as I am 35 and frankly more is there now than ever before. I think I started losing my hair when I was like 8, lol. My caliber is of medium density. The only real pain during the procedure was when getting injections at the base of the neck, the rest was a cake walk. I traveled from Lexington, KY to Charlotte Douglass International via air and stayed at the Comfort Inn. The hotel was quiet pleasant and had been newly remodeled. Dr. Vories and his staff are true professionals and friendly as all get out. The Doc did all of the extractions and implanting. During all of the implanting I got to watch Guardians of the Galaxy which rocked as I had never seen it before. Today the pain is about the same, mostly coming from the donor area. My face resembles a puffer fish as the saline and topical fluids are absorbing into my head. I am having a bit of a itching reaction to the pain meds so I am going to start taking some Benadryl per the doc. I have been sleeping at a 45 degree angle nightly using one of those traveling neck pillows. I also tie my hands up while sleeping as to not inadvertently scratch out any grafts. So far I am extremely happy with it all. Feedback is welcome. Pre and post-operative pics enclosed. :cool:
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