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  1. Hey guys I started losing some hair in my early twenties, not a lot, but some loss on my temples and on the sides. I'm not sure if it was M.P.B. or just a maturing hairline. However, airing on the side of caution I started with finasteride a year ago. The hair loss has since subsided, which I'm happy about, but I would like to have the hair I lost restored. Furthermore, I would like to lower my hairline a bit, because I have always had a naturally high hairline(5HEAD). I researched hair transplant surgoens a few years ago. At that time it seemd like there was an unanimous consensus everywhere that Dr. Koray Erdogan is a quality HT surgeon. So chosing Erdogan was an easy decision. However, after I made the booking and paid the deposit, I have seen a few concerning results from ASMED on this forum. I have also seen good results this past year, so it's not like it has been all bad. However for the price I pay, I don't want it to be a coin flip. In spite of this, the thing that makes me confident to go trough with the surgery is the ASMED warranty, , which I assume guarantees a free touchup if you don't experience 90% regrowth(please correct me if I'm wrong). Hopefully ASMED has taken steps to fix their issues, so a touchup will not be nececarry. We will see. The surgery is in 5 days. I Will update this post with pictures and information once i get to Turkey. For those wondering, my ethnicity is 50/50 black white.
  2. Hi everyone - I've been silently reading this forum for the last few months and it was instrumental in my decision to take the plunge and get a hair transplant. Here's my experience and journey so far. Statistics: Age: 33 NW: High (IV/V, possibly emerging VI but that's my guess) Caliber: 60 microns Hair / Graft Ratio: 2.04 Total Grafts Transplanted: 5,621 Estimated Donor Capacity: 8,200 Background: Like many of you, I’ve suffered from hair loss for most of my adult life, have tried (and abandoned) various hair regrowth treatments and thought becoming bald was my inevitable fate. I only started thinking about hair transplant options over the past 6 months or so when I randomly came across some articles discussing the latest advancements (and horror stories) in the field and the relative inexpensiveness of operations in Turkey and elsewhere. I began researching the topic seriously and this website was instrumental in my decision to go with Dr. Koray Erdogan. In selecting Dr. Koray, I focused on three things - results, passion for the craft and price. Being a high Norwood with a family history afflicted with MPB, I needed someone who had expertise with large HT cases like my own. I cared about passion for the craft because, I believe, thought-leadership and innovation are indicators of success, and I wanted the best-of-class when it comes to a major cosmetic operation that could either be transformative or a major disappointment. Finally, it had to fit my budget... now; I wasn't interested in taking years to save up $30-$45,000 that some US doctors were quoting me. Before settling on Dr. Koray, I researched and consulted with other hair transplant surgeons. As a Southern California native, I looked into local doctors (Armani, Rassman, Bisanga and others), some of the other big names in hair transplant I was coming across (Couto, Frietas, H&W, etc.), as well as other Turkish doctors (Karadeniz, Civas, Doganjay and some of the low-cost options too, like Cinik and Maral). I had a few in person and online consultations with some of these doctors, which was helpful. Frankly, the North American / European doctors who had impressive results were out of my budget. Dr. Koray was comparably priced to some of the average doctors I was seeing in the United States but had a stellar track record over the years and lauded as one of the best in the world. I thought his results put him among the top FUE surgeons in the world. I also found Dr. Koray’s YouTube videos to be very informative (admittedly much of it was PR, but it worked on me), and I became convinced that manual punch FUE in a mega session with some sort of implanter tool (like the KEEP device that Dr. Koray uses) is what would be best for me. In fact, I feel I may have ended up with Dr. Koray regardless of price. Pre-Op Treatment: I reached out to Asmed in early December 2018 and booked for mid-February 2019. At that time I wasn’t under any sort of medication. After my initial discussions with Sema, I went on 1mg generic fin daily and achieved some actual hair growth in the crown and midline areas. Process / Surgery: Others on this forum have gone into specifics around the airport pick-up, hotel, and clinic procedures in considerable detail, so I won’t repeat that here. But what I will mention is this. The Asmed mothership on the Asian side of Istanbul probably represents the pinnacle of what a modern medical facility should be - impeccably clean, sleek and exceptionally designed to shuttle patients from a pristine operating room, to high-tech hair wash / cut and transplant design areas, to an inviting waiting area (where you are greeted with Turkish hospitality in the form of tea, coffee and pastries and live classical music by a violin-piano duo). Everything was thoughtfully planned and laid out, and the process struck a balance between being highly individualized (Sema being my dedicated coordinator and never leaving my side) but productive (which I welcomed - I wanted to be one of the many patients they have great results for). When other people on these forums talk about how Asmed is a world-class facility, it truly is. When you meet Dr. Koray in person, you soon realize that he is singularly focused on your hairline and achieving optimal results based on a plan that takes into account your donor capacity and anticipated future hair loss. My interaction with him was otherwise limited, as I had expected to be from reading the forums, but I didn’t mind that – hairlines (and mine in the moment) are his obsession, and Dr. Koray spent a good 20-30 minutes (and consulted 18 others – my wife counted them) to ensure that mine was the very best for my face. And in Dr. Koray's staff, I felt care, compassion and dedication to implement Dr. Koray’s vision for the optimal hair transplant for me. Sema, my patient coordinator, was knowledgeable, patient and attentive. Nabiyeh, the nurse who was assigned to me the entire time I was there, was compassionate and genuinely concerned about my wellbeing. The surgical assistants had unfailing endurance and nimble, precise hands – in another era, they may well have been expert craftswomen weaving a great Turkish rug but are instead making a masterpiece out of my head and hair follicles. (I would prefer their hands doing the harvesting and implantations over that of any 50-60 year old man, no matter his years of experiences or the number of degrees he holds). Results: I could go on here… but what will ultimately matter, more than anything else I've written here, are my results, so check this thread 12 months’ time and we can all be the judge.
  3. I had a first procedure that was unsatisfactory 18 months ago with ARTAS robot by another surgeon so I decided to try again with koray Erdogan. I attached 2 pics of me before surgery with dry hair and 3 with wet hair. I got 2600 grafts today all in the frontal and temporal areas and tomorrow it's supposed to be 2400 in the crown. I have also attached a couple pics of my first day post oo.
  4. Hello Ladies and Gentlemen! After so many years, I am finally taking the gumption and undergoing an FUE procedure with Dr. Cinik. I have been umming and arring for too long and after seeing some amazing results I decided to pull the trigger! I originally wanted to go with Dr. Koray Erdoğan but due to finances I am going with Dr. Cinik. His work has been well represented on several other forums and I've seen a few pop up here. I've been loosing my hairline since I was 18 and after 12 years of postponing it, the universe lined up for me to be able to make it happen. As an English actor living in Los Angeles, I live in a town where looks sometimes overshadow talent, so I have decided that I am going to take the best of both worlds and make myself as marketable as possible (with versatile hair). As much as wigs and styling have helped in the past, I am a point where my hair is constantly on my mind...did the wind blow? How does it look when I get out the pool/ocean? Is the camera picking up the receding hairline?. ..pretty much the all the thoughts going through everyone's mind on this forum! I am scheduled for approx. 3500 grafts, to the frontal third of my head, on Tuesday Dec 12th in Istanbul and I am excited and nervous! Looking at the future I am excited to see what it brings me with a new full head of hair, even if it's just confidence in the wind haha! I'll keep you all updated over the course of the weeks so that people can use me as a resource if they want. Attached are the pics that I sent the doctor, so you can see where my progression started at. I am fortunate that I have very thick donor hair, so I am excited to see how the grafts to hair ratio!
  5. Thanks Dr for your time and valuable advise. According to my Doctor, he can do up to 3500 grafts in one session. So his plan is to focus on the front and mid scalp and then try to work on the crown with whatever grafts left. He's expecting to implant around 7500 hairs. What makes me step back from his plan is the hairline design which is a bit aggressive (maybe 2 cm below my existing one). Something similar to the attached pic including the temples. I don't think 2000 or 2500 grafts can cover this huge area (see Dr. Erdogan plan in 2017). Appreciate your honest recommendation.
  6. Thanks bro for your honest advise and yes i am so happy to hear Dr. Glenn opinion I just wanna mention that Dr. Erdogan and Lorenzo recommendations are based on pictures and not in person consultation. Dr. Erdogan 2 years back suggested 6000 grafts FUE with a bit lower hairline but i wasn't really convinced as i don't believe any Dr. can harvest more than 3000 grafts in one session from the donor safe zone. Back to your comment about my assertion about my donor, i am just trying to say that the comparison between my donor 2 years back and now doesn't help for assessment as the hair length makes a huge difference. i am thinking to keep my hair grow a little more and then reevaluate. Doctors here will do a proper test only when you book for a surgery. My last consultation was even paid and when i asked the Dr. for the exact density he said it will take long time to test and need tattooing which can be done only before the surgery. Honestly it's like a fish market here.
  7. Hello everybody. I just wanted to share my recent FUE hair transplant experience at ASMED clinic, since this forum helped me a lot in choosing the clinic and to know what could be expected from hair transplant surgeries. To be honest, i were little bit worried about some of the latest result that has been shared by some of ASMED patient, but eventually i made my decision and hopefully i picked the right one. I will try to summarize the whole experience as a mush as possible, since most of other asmed patients already described the whole process in an excellent way, and believe me all of what they mentioned regarding the services, such as accommodations, transfers, and postoperative care all were right and really exceeded my expectations. The online consultation: Based on the photos i have send to asmed website, they responded to me that i needed around 5000-5500 grafts and the total payment will be between 12500-13750 euros (2.5 euros/graft). So i transferred 4000 euros through my bank account (the maximum possible amount of transfer), while holding the remaining in cash. Day of arrival 07/08/2019: I arrived to Istanbul on Wednesday before 10 am, according to the email that was sent to me by asmed, mentioning that i need to be in Istanbul the day before surgery before 10 am, in order to give them enough time for the presurgical tests and consultation. My coordinator was Suzana, and i was extremely lucky to be assigned with her, since she was a very nice person, very informative, and taking care about all of what you need either before or after the surgery. Asmed driver was awaiting me in the airport with a sign holding my name, and they were very serious regarding this matter, since you are traveling with this amount of huge cash money, thats why they provided me with a list of photos for asmed drivers, in order to be able to recognize him once i arrived. I choosed to stay at asmed suite for the days of the surgery, and i reserved by my own an extra 5 nights following the surgery at radisson blue asia hotel, just to have enough time for healing before traveling back home, and to have my hair wash at the clinic the first week following the surgery. 2 hours after arriving to asmed, suzana took me for the blood test, followed by meeting with dr.koray who drew the hair line and estimate the amount of total donor capacity. I were not convinced in the beginning regarding the hair line, since it looks to be conservative as what he said, but he mentioned that my hair loss would continue in the future, and it will be unnatural if he made it lower than this level. Then they shaved my head, which was totally unfamiliar to me, since it was my first time shaving my head, and i can tell you that i didnt like the shape of my head at all, and i will do whatever it takes to avoid getting bold at the end. Again at the end dr.koray together with his staff refine the hair line after shaving. Finally my scalp was scanned and analyzed by the Kebot system for 15 minutes. DAY 1 SURGERY 08/08/2019 I had my breakfast around 6:30 am, i were little bit nervous, and thats why they gave me Xanax pill in order to make me relax before the surgery, and it really helped. They shaved my head again, then the surgery started around 7:30. I was prepared before going into the process by making my own research, and it was almost like what i expected. Pain during the local anasthetic injections, while other part of the surgery was painless, especially with the IV drug the Dr.Umut (the serious anasthelogist doctor) giving you through the surgery. I were in and out for most parts of the surgery, just if i am dreaming. The extraction phase took around 3 hours, and for me it is the worst and most inconvenient part of the surgery. Then they gave me a lunch break for around 10 minutes. Dr.koray then came and did the incision part, which take almost 25-30 minutes maximum, and final the implantation part which was again done by the techs. for additional 3 hours, and in that part i were totally sleep. After finishing the surgery they took all of the patient that been operated in the same day for a 10 minutes laser therapy to facilitate healing, after which dr. koray came and evaluate all of the patient and make sure that every thing is going in the proper way. DAY 2 SURGERY 09/08/2019 Same as the first day, except for me it was more painful than the first day, especially the extraction phase, i am not sure why, but according to some of the other patient i met at asmed and had a previous HT surgeries, they mentioned that the vertex part of the scalp is usually more painful than the frontal part that has been done in the first day. After completing all the surgeries, they take you again for the Kebot machine that analyze every part of the scalp for around 15 minutes. Day 3 first hair wash 10/08/2019 They remove the bandage from the donor area, and they apply the conditioner followed by the shampoo and gives all the instructions that you need to follow in the following 10 day after surgery. As i said, i stayed for additional nights at radisson blue, so they were washing my hair daily at the clinic, but its not necessarily, since it seems to be a straightforward process. In a conclusion, i am happy about everything regarding my experience, especially the services provided by the clinic, the quality of work until the moment, and Suzana (my coordinator). I wished that i had a more aggressive hairline, bit i hope this hair line will suite my face. Also i wished that dr.erdogan spent more time with us during the consultation , since it was only 10 minutes discussion before getting into this major decision. I will try to update on a monthly basis, and happy to hear you comments. Hair situation and medication: - Androgenic alopecia: NW5 - Finestraide: proscar (1.25 mg) started with the procedure. - 5% Minoxidil: stopped using it 3 weeks before the surgery ( i have been using it twice a day for 9 years). Graft calculator: Total: 5512 Ratio: 2.13 Single: 1045 Double: 2821 Triple: 1545 Quardruple: 95 Quintpule: 5 Sextuple: 1 Hair thickness: 67 microns
  8. Also to bare in mind that unshaven FUE will allow the surgeon move only a limited amount of grafts per procedure. If you are on a lower norwood level then it might work. I've had a small touch up procedure with Dr. Erdogan (602 grafts) with unshaved FUE. It was great because I could camouflage HT very easilly. I think the most Erdogan does is 1500 for unshaved FUE session. But you can contact the clinic to find out for sure.
  9. Hello all, I am planning to have a hair transplant in a few months. And want to ask for your help to pick the right clinic. So far I reached 5 of them, and this is what they suggested for my case: - ASMED Dr. K.Erdogan 2200-2600 grafts - Armamed Dr. Demirsoy 2500-3200 grafts - HLC 2300-2500 grafts - Dr. Kaan Pekiner 2500 grafts - Dermaplast, Dr Kesser 2000-2250 grafts What is your opinion about these Dr/Clinics? Which you would recommend the most ?
  10. . ASMED SURGICAL MEDICAL CENTER DR KORAY ERDOGAN - PATIENT'S AGE: 36 - NW: III - Total transplanted area: 60 cm2 - Total donor capacity: 8100 grafts * Temporal, Parietal and Occipital density: 70–70-90 uf/cm2 * Temporal, Parietal and Occipital Hair Diameter: 50-50-50 micron - OPERATION DETAILS: 2625 grafts FUE extracted by manual punch, diameter 0.6,5 & 0.7mm. Incisions executed by: custom made blades sapphire, lateral slit. Placed with K.E.E.P. * 504 grafts single * 1232 grafts double * 737 grafts triple * 152 grafts multiple * General average Hair per Graft: 2.21 - GRAFTS DISTRIBUTION: 2625 grafts were used to restore the patient's FRONTAL and MIDLINE areas. - FINASTERIDE: The patient is using the medicine since the operation. * Please note that the "RESULT" pictures were taken by the PATIENT. BEFORE OPERATION OPERATION AFTER 10 MONTHS BEFORE OPERATION OPERATION AFTER 10 MONTHS BEFORE OPERATION OPERATION AFTER 10 MONTHS BEFORE OPERATION OPERATION AFTER 10 MONTHS BEFORE OPERATION OPERATION AFTER 10 MONTHS
  11. Alright....looks like it's my turn at the plate. Since I'd used this forum quite a bit when making decisions concerning my hair restoration surgery, I thought I'd share my experience with the community to help others make their decisions as well. My FUE procedure with ASMED was performed 11 days ago (December 17, 2018) and I had 3051 grafts transplanted. My progress and thoughts are described below. Online Quote I submitted my request for a quote on ASMED's website. This was a pretty simple process involving the submission of 12 photos (6 wet, 6 dry) from various angles and the submission of answers, on the website, to certain questions related to my hair loss, hair restoration goals, and medical history. Within a day, I received an email assigning me my patient coordinator. The following, day, I received an estimate for the total graft count I'd likely need, as well as the expected duration (in days) of the surgery and the amount of time I'd need to spend in Istanbul. A rough sketch of the surgical plan was provided, as well as a brief synopsis of what the surgery would entail, as well as the price per graft (2.5 euros) and information about the regrowth warranty. For those who have not done this yet, I'd recommend using a flash when you take your pictures. I didn't use a flash with mine (I used indirect natural light) and ended up getting under-quoted, as the extent of my hair loss at the vertex wasn't completely apparent in the images I had provided. Why I Chose ASMED I did a lot of research prior to making my decision. Out of all the reputable doctors I found (ones who were endorsed by the IAHRS, American Hair Loss Association, and this forum), Dr. Koray had the most patient results posted online, both by the clinic and by the patients, themselves. I had done an analysis of these results on one of the other threads by scanning through three of the online forums, including this one, and found that there was at least an 81% chance of having a good to great result, which was sufficient for me. There weren't really enough reviews of the other doctors to analyze them in a similar way with statistical significance. When combined with the cost of the procedure (which was relatively low compared to other top-tier clinics), dates of availability that aligned with my own, the 90% regrowth guarantee, ASMED's generally good reputation, etc., this clinic seemed like the best match for me. Coordination Prior to Trip While I waited for a few months between the submission of my deposit and my travel date, I peppered my coordinator (Muge) with questions about the process and procedure. For example, I asked her about: Methods of payment (including exchange rates, whether I could bring USD for the cash portion of my payment, etc.). You make an initial deposit in euros (maximum of 3500 euros) and then the remainder of the balance is paid in cash upon arrival at the clinic, on the consultation day. I was allowed to bring USD. To be honest, I wasn't very happy about having to carry thousands of dollars of cash with me (since I was kind of paranoid about losing it or being robbed), but, thankfully, I didn't end up having any issues. Information about my personal safety and the drivers. ASMED provides a photograph of their drivers, who pick you up at the airport, drive you to the hotel/clinic. All transportation to/from the airport and to/from the clinic is handled by ASMED. Information about accommodations. You're given the choice to stay at the Radisson Blu Istanbul Asia or at the clinic itself. I opted for the former, as the rooms at the clinic, as nice as they were, looked/felt a bit too much like hospital rooms. Also, I liked the 24 hour room service available at the hotel and the option to eat in solitude, if I so chose. If you choose to stay at the clinic, however, they provide you free meals throughout the day (you only get breakfast included if you stay at the hotel). Details about who would be performing the various aspects of the surgery, which was a point of contention on these forums. Dr. Koray performs the consultation, draws the hairline, and does the incisions during the surgery. Techs to the extraction and implantations. I discussed this at length with my coordinator and had a thorough understanding of how this would work long before I traveled; by the time I made the trip, I was comfortable with this arrangement. From what I was told, all technicians are required to meet specific, rigorous requirements (certain number of years practicing with the clinic, quality certification, etc.) before they are allowed to take part in the surgery. My coordinator was responsive, quick, and went out of her way to allay any of the concerns I had. She responded to me by email, phone (on the rare occasion when texting wouldn't be sufficient), and WhatsApp texting. Flights, Transportation, and Hotel I'm not going to go into detail about the flights, as that whole process is pretty straightforward and not really relevant to the clinic itself. Given that I'm from the US, I did need to get a travel visa to enter Turkey (you can do this online in advance and it costs about 20 USD). As expected, my driver was waiting for me in the airport arrivals area. He was holding a tablet with my name on it. The ride from the airport to the hotel was about 45 minutes (you cross from the European side of Istanbul to the Asian side) and I was the only passenger. The driver was friendly and responsive to my requests; he even described some parts of the city to me, as if he were giving a tour, during the drive. Additionally, water bottles and snacks were available inside the car. I opted to stay in the hotel for the reasons previously described. The room is comfortable and clean and there's a nice view of Istanbul if you're on one of the higher floors. Moreover, the hotel has 24 hour room service and a reasonably diverse menu -- this was a big selling point for me, as I was a bit self conscious about leaving the room with my head all marked up before the surgery and bandaged up after surgery. The employees at the front desk speak English, though the room service bellhops sometimes don't (IMO, they didn't really need to). The hotel has a spa and other pretty cool amenities, though I'll admit I didn't take advantage of many of them. In-Person Consultation On consultation day (the Friday before the procedure), I was driven to the clinic in the early afternoon. I was promptly greeted in the lobby by my coordinator, as well as a host who asked if I needed a drink or a snack (she did this repeatedly throughout the day). Two girls in the lobby serenaded the waiting patients with piano and violin. The atmosphere was light and relaxing. There were several other patients in the lobby at the same time, taking a break from various stages of the consultation. My coordinator sat down with me and gave me an overview of what I should be expecting that day, as well as on surgery day. After we discussed certain questions I had, she led me to various rooms for different stages of the pre-operative process, including a blood test and EKG, photographs, head shaving, etc. These activities were generally smooth and quick, though I had one small criticism -- specifically, that I had to wait for a while in the lobby for Dr. Koray to finish surgery before my in-person consultation. I was really jetlagged and tired at the time and it would've been better if I didn't have to wait nearly as long between the tests and the consultation with the doctor (like if they had timed me to come later in the afternoon). Other than this, everything was pleasant. When I met with Dr. Koray in his office, he greeted me warmly and introduced me to some of the other senior staff members. He came across as affable, jovial, and welcoming. As I introduced myself, he cracked a joke about the trend line from my analysis on this forum; at first, I was a bit taken aback that he knew I was the author, since I never actually identified myself (but I guess there weren't many American patients coming at the same time as I was). I sat down and Dr. Koray showed me the photographs taken earlier that day on his monitor. I showed him my own printed photos of what I wanted to look like (images of me from about 5 years ago), as well as pictures of my bald grandfather as an illustration of family history. Dy. Koray explained that we could meet my goal, but that I was, unfortunately, on my way to a NW6 (I'm currently NW3). He went on to explain that the degree of surgical intervention required would likely be higher than originally expected. As mentioned above, the photos taken at the clinic revealed noticeable thinning at the crown/vertex that wasn't nearly as apparent in the images that I had taken at home. The doctor recommended that I take finasteride in order to avoid having to come back to have the vertex worked in the near future (I was only quoted for a one day surgery on the frontal part of my head) and I explained to him the negative experience (i.e., side effects) that I'd experienced with finasteride years ago. He said he understood and that he respected my position, given that I'd tried it already in the past. I ultimately decided that I prefer to avoid finasteride (given what happened the first time I used it) and might come back to Turkey for a second round later, if necessary. I'll deal with the vertex when the time comes; this way, I'll have a chance to see how the results on the front part of my head turn out before I make any more decisions. At this point, the doctor took measurements of my hair and explained the calculation he uses to determine coverage. He then drew a hairline and asked for my thoughts. I was a bit picky with the hairline and requested several tweaks (including one small modification on the morning of the surgery) so that the line would match the natural one I used to have as closely as possible/reasonable. The doctor was patient with me and made the changes I asked for. After we were finished, and as I was getting up to leave his office, Dr. Koray turned to me and said something to the effect of "LordBaldwin, I can tell you care a lot about details, and so do I. I won't disappoint you." He went out of his way to reassure me; it seemed like he cares a great deal about making his patients happy. Surgery On surgery day, I was driven to the clinic early in the morning. I was taken to a small locker room to change into a surgical gown and was then led to the surgical room. The entire surgical area was very clean and organized (as an example, my coordinator had me change into a different set of shoes that they provided me as I entered into the "clean area"). In the surgical room, the team gave me a blanket and checked that I was comfortable. The anaesthesiologist asked me if I was nervous and I told him that my heart rate (which was showing on one of the monitors as around 90 bpm) is usually around 70 bpm. He nodded and injected me with a benzodiazepene and a sedative. I almost immediately relaxed. I sat upright with a head support wedged between my chin and my lap as the technicians injected my scalp with local anaesthetic and began the extraction phase. As they proceeded, they were very professional and repeatedly asked me if I felt any pain (if I did, they'd give me some more local anaesthetic). As grafts were removed from the donor area of my scalp, one of the technicians observed them under a microscope and counted, in real time, how many singles, doubles, triples, etc. had been extracted. These numbers were displayed on a screen in front of me. My coordinator handed me a tablet in case I wanted to surf the web or watch a movie. If I recall correctly, extractions took about 3 hours. We took a break for lunch, which the clinic provided. Upon returning to the operating room, I was told I could lie down for the remainder of the surgery. I was hooked back into the IV and Dr. Koray came in to do the incisions. I don't remember exactly how long the incision phase took since I was sedated and kept drifting in and out of sleep, but I do remember Dr. Koray working on me for some time, then shaking my hand at the end and mentioning that my circulation was very good and I'll be very happy with how things turn out. I slept through most of the implantation phase as well, up until the last hour or so. The technicians were methodical and quiet, and my coordinator, who sat across from me, assured me that everything was going well and repeatedly asked how I was doing. In total, the procedure took about 9 hours. After it was over, I was led back down to the photography room for post-operative photos to be taken. I was given instructions on how to do the post-op washes, sat under a laser/light follicular stimulation pod for a little while, and then was invited to dinner at the clinic (invitations for dinner at the clinic were extended to me every night I was in Istanbul, except for the weekend). Although I was only required to stay until the next day for the first wash, I opted to stay for an additional two days to recover a bit before I traveled back to the US. In the morning on each of the additional two days, I was driven back to the clinic for my morning wash (and some tea). Overall Impression Overall, I'm very happy with my experience at ASMED and would recommend it to other prospective patients (provided that they've done their due diligence and understand how surgeries are performed there). Since I had prepared extensively for my trip, I knew pretty much exactly what I was going to experience and there were no surprises. All of the employees were very accommodating, friendly, and attentive, and I felt well taken care of. The clinic itself was large, clean, and modern (ASMED had clearly spared no expense). A couple of other little pluses I noted: - On one occasion, I asked if the clinic had Turkish coffee (I wanted to try this since I didn't really get the chance to explore Istanbul while I was there). They didn't have it at that moment, but they actually went out and got it for me the following day! This was a relatively minor thing, but it impressed me. - On the last day I was there (when I came to the clinic for my third wash), Dr. Koray came into the room and asked me about my experience, making sure that it was positive. I told him I had enjoyed my time there, which he was happy to hear. The fact that he cared so much about my experience struck me very positively. Progress First, some hair characteristics... Hair thickness: 55 microns Hair per graft: ~2.44 Donor capacity prior to surgery: 8400 grafts Number of grafts transplanted: 3051 over 60 cm^2 Transplanted graft density: ~50 grafts/cm^2 And now, some pictures. Pre-Operative: Surgical Plan: Immediate Post-Operative (Day 0): Day 2 Post-Op: Day 3 (swelling is mostly gone): Day 5 (scabs and some minor cracking visible): Day 7 (vast majority of the scabs have come off): Day 10:
  12. I am currently approaching 3 months after FUE with 4264 Grafts. I was not originally planning on making a post but decided I should as I have Fine hair (47 Mircrons) and was concerned going in that my donor hair would't be acceptable and did not see many fine hair cases and this board was instrumental in me deciding on Dr. Koray. I will not get into the details of travel and hospitality except to say everything you read about the level of service is absolutely correct. Everyone from the drivers to nurses are very kind and attentive. I was flying from the US so wanted to make sure I had the money required with me. I was going to exchange USD to Euro but was told the exchange rate would be good and they accept USD. Anyone traveling from USA should bring USD and pay in USD. The exchange rate they used was simply googling the current exchange rate and rounding down. There was no commission charged. If I had converted at my bank in USA they would have charged close to 5%. I was originally quoted 5000 grafts but after my consultation, Dr Koray recommended 4200 with 4000 in the front and 200 in the back. He originally thought I would get about 1.8 hairs per graft average. In the end, I received 4262 grafts and they used 400 in the back instead of 200 as my average hair per graft ended up being 2.04. (I was only charged for 4200) I will attach some pictured of various stages including more pictures as hair hopefully comes in. If anyone has any specific questions related to travel from USA let me know and appreciate any comments on my progress. As I stated above the quality of care is extremely high even more so than even USA standards. The only complaint I had would be the communication post opp was not great. I think one issue I had was my coordinator, Buqet (I thought Buqet was amazing) left to return to school almost immediately after I had my procedure so I was dealing with someone else who was taking over for her. I was very concerned with the scabs and getting them off and there were several days where I didn't receive communications when I could have used advise so If someone from Asmed is reading this post I would recommend having someone who is solely responsible for post opp care and questions.
  13. Hello everyone. I have been meaning to make this thread but have honestly been both busy and lazy. I have been scouring this website for a few months now and have been checking out a lot of peoples progress and completed work. I am glad this exists and want to share my current experience with the community. I am 34 years old and had a FUE done in Las Gatos, California (near San Francisco) by Dr. John Diep on May 23rd, 2018 to the frontal 1/3rd of my head. I began noticing my hair loss slowly when I was 27 years old. I started receding slowly and then the crown started going fast. I used minoxidil from 2011 to 2013 but I kept losing hair but not as quickly as before. I got tired of it and stopped. I started randomly searching on youtube about hairloss solutions and disguises and that eventually lead me to toppik. I started using toppik to cover my crown and i was okay with it. Then when my hairline started disappearing, I would start adding toppik there. It was good for some time and then the hairloss was too drastic. I now started noticing people looking at my hairline when they were talking to me and I felt like they knew something was up. It looked clumpy instead of like real hair strands. So then I began buzzing my hair with a 2 guard and developed a light sprinkle technique to give the illusion that I had a full head of hair with the buzz cut. I eventually got tired of it because like all of you know, it became a daily worry with all of environmental elements and with people wanting to run their hands on the buzz cut. I also got tired of always wearing hats when I didn't have the toppik on my head. I then started doing some serious research for the last 4 years before I actually pulled the trigger. I was choosing between Dr. Lindsey (he is 45 minutes from me in Virginia), Dr. Feriduni ( in Belgium), Dr. Koray Erdogan (Turkey) and Dr. Diep. I ended up choosing Dr. Diep mainly because of his amazing fue hairlines and for that fact that he is in the US. I am not going to type a write up about the day of the procedure because its exactly like what most people have described in their Diep threads. I will say that everything went well and I was pretty much knocked out for 10 hours minus lunch. I was initially told that he would be able to get 2,500 grafts but he ended up extracting 2,381. He was going to do some temple work but since he didn't get the 2,500 grafts, he ended up not doing it. I didn't know this until after the procedure but that makes sense since I was pretty sedated. I also opted to get the A-cell done. I am currently at 6 months and am a bit nervous with the progress (I know this the time where everyone tends to get anxious according to the forums). I know I am a slow grower on the top of my head because I was the same way when I had a full head of hair. There is definitely significant improvement of my hair line, its actually quite dramatic. My only issue is that I don't see a lot of density and I see a lot of big spaces where grafts initially seemed to be placed. I am not going to freak out or anything until after 1 year. I have read on this forum that some people saw a lot of new growth at around 9 months and on. I know the hair also begins thickens up then so I'll just wait and see and post monthly progress pictures. Side note, I know I am going to need 1 or 2 more HTs for full coverage on the rest of my head. I am not on any medication other than daily biotin. I wanted to get yalls opinion on Propecia and your honest blunt opinions about my progress so far. Thanks a lot and I am excited to be a contributor to this forum and of course experience my progress and results with yall. Top 3 pictures are pre op Top 4 pictures are 2 hours post op 1 day post op after a cleaning at his office 3 days post op and my face is swollen 9 days post op with scabbing 10 days post op 12 days post op. All the scabs have fallen. 6 months. Pictures taken this morning. I was buzzing my hair until the first week of October. This is my hair growth since then, about 6 weeks. I am not cutting my hair until the year mark. Hair at 18 Hair at 22 Hair at 28. You can see the front receding.
  14. Wow your results look amazing, Dr. Erdogan really hit this one out of the park. Looks like @CosmoKramer has competition haha.
  15. Hello all, I made an original post here asking about my progress as others see it here http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/187205-11-days-post-op%3B-shedding-already.html I posted some pictures there as well. I would prefer not to post any pictures that eliminate discretion, so I will see if I can come up with some good before/after pictures for you guys. In the meantime: I had a procedure for 1420 grafts with Dr. Erdogan 3 weeks ago. I am a NW2 with stabilized loss and good family history. My hairline was really bothering me for several years; the asymmetry of it and slight temple thinning really bothered me and I wanted to do something about it. My travel to the ASMED was relatively uneventful. I stayed at the hotel for 5 days, not at the clinic, so I was able to take advantage of the room service (10/10 would recommend). I arrived a day early before the in-person consult. The day of the consult was very smooth and effortless. I had blood work done, all the pre-op stuff done, then met with Dr. Erdogan for the consult. The hairline I wanted was relatively perfect on the first try (will post pictures soon) and Dr. Koray quoted me for 1200 grafts. Keep in mind, I was quoted 2500 on my online consult. I was VERY happy to hear that. It goes to show you that online and in-person consults can vary dramatically. I then had my head shaved (looked good, was happy with it, lucky I guess) and Dr. Erdogan then came and mapped out the exact area that would be the recipient zone. I went to the hotel afterwards and got some rest. The consult day was super smooth and the staff at ASMED are impeccable. That pretty much says it all. The clinic is amazing, and there is an army of people that work there. It's impressive. Dr. Koray is calm and collected and seems like he knows what he's doing. On the procedure day, I was shaved again, and extractions began. I heard that more anesthetic meant that the swelling would be worse, and I have a high pain tolerance to begin with, so I didn't really need much anesthetic. The extractions were with a .6mm and .7mm punch. I had an average of 2.59 hairs per graft and a hair diameter of 55 microns if I remember correctly, as well as a donor area of 9000. The extractions went smoothly, less than 2 hours long. Afterwards, I ate a quick snack, then the incisions began. Again, more anesthic but not too much, and Dr. Koray came in. As many others have said in their reviews, he is like a god there, and everyone was having a great time. The incisions were easy, but then Dr. Koray said he noticed some miniaturization he didn't notice before, so he gave me an extra 220 grafts for free to bring my total to 1420. Implantation went smoothly and the team is incredibly efficient and high-performing. I had a translator or two the entire time and they will explain things to you whenever you have questions. The only thing that surprised me slightly was that Dr. Koray, aside from the consult and incisions, doesn't spend much time with you. This can be a bad thing to some, but personally I don't care, as the staff are all highly trained with years of experience under his direction. The next 5 days I spent going to ASMED every morning for washing. I started washing on my own at day 3. I immediately began the application of ATP spray, aloe vera, and HairCycle post-op biotin spray the minute I got back from the procedure and continued it for 10 days. I lost all of my scabs in 4 days (no lost grafts). Redness subsided dramatically and it is not noticeable in person at all. Nobody has any idea I have had anything done (I told no one). The pictures below that you see are my 3 day and 3 week post op pictures. I will say that I have had a bit of shock loss in the frontal forelock of my hairline; I had no loss or thinning there at all. It was healthy and thick, so I'm hoping it comes back. Surprisingly, I began shedding at the 10 day mark. Hairs easily fell, and if I placed one between my fingers, they would slide right out. Not grafts, just hairs, and I didn't pluck. On the 3 week pictures you see, you can see little black dots. These are hairs breaking the skin and they feel like stubble. I posted a question on the other thread that I linked about them. I'm slightly concerned as I read in another thread by someone else that they could be dead grafts, but most of these black dots are where the transplanted hairs shed. Since I healed so rapidly, perhaps I'm having early regrowth? Dr. Koray was even amazed at how quickly I healed, so this is not just my imagination. My donor area was also undetectable in 3 days. Post-op I did everything I should have done. The only exception is that I worked out earlier than was recommended. Nothing crazy, just light weights in the gym and light cardio in the treadmill at 4 days post-op when all scabs were gone. Anything I should be worried about? Pictures below, again, are 3 days post op and 3 weeks post op. When I am able to use a computer, I will post the actual before and after photos from ASMED.
  16. Hey everyone,I am 34 years old. My main issue with my hair (or lack of it ) is my deep temporal recession (as you can see in the pictures attached). The temples have been receding ever since I was 22. in the age of 26 or so, I have started to take propecia. the treatment pretty much stopped the receding and it is stable for the past 6-7 years.It has always been my dream to have a hair transplant, but because I am very sensitive to ppl and work colleagues seeing me after the transplant and with no hair. I postponed the hair transplant as much as I could. I managed to get 4-5 months leave from work, so I'm hoping I'll have some hair by the time I have to go back to work.Estimations I gotbased on the pictures I sent I got an estimation from Dr. Koray 3800-4000 50 grafts per cm2Dr. koray estimation was the highest from all the clinics I have contacted, but I saw it as a good thing - it's because he plans to cover more of the scalp with hair and for better density. given my current hair loss stage and the fact, the hair loss has stopped for the last 6 years - I was cool with his estimation. Choosing a hair transplant Dr I liked the results of Dr Koray, and I love his hairlines designs, as I like more relatively aggressive hairline (and not the "half circle", most sergeants do).Another plus for ASMED, is my great personal patient coordinator, Suzana. unlike other clinics, I got from Suzana very thorough and quick answers to my questions. she was very patient with me even though I had A LOT of questions. sometimes she misses a few of my questions, but overall she is super helpful, nice and provided me with all the answers I needed - And most importantly she made me feel like someone is with me throughout the process which is very important to me, As I'm doing the procedure in a foreign country.First day - consultationI arrived in Istanbul at 09:00 (12.3.19). ASMED driver waited for me at the airport as Suzana said he would. I checked in the hotel, which is located 2 min walk from the clinic. then ASMED driver waited for me at 12:00 to take me to the clinic (it was raining so I used this service ). Suzana welcomed me at the entrance and then I had some blood tests & heart rate checks. then I got photos of my current state. Afterward, I met DR. Koray he is a very nice person, he saw that my temples area was thin and asked me if I would like to transplant in that area as well to make it denser, I said yes and then he changed the grafts number for hair transplant from 4000 to 4300. he said that I have a good donor zone, and can reach 48 grafts per cm2, and that my average hair per graft ration is 1.9 (he wasn't far it was 2.13 according to his machine analysis). then he drew a hairline he thought is good for me, it was ok but I wanted it a little bit lower and the temples with a little less angle. he said we will consider it after the head shave - only then and after the grafts analysis he can know my actual current state and we will decide together.So, they shaved my head, took a few pictures (shaved) and then I went to this machine that supposed to count the grafts and hairs from the entire head.then we went back to DR he agreed to do the changes I wanted. in the room there where like 5 very pretty girls, he drew the new line (with the tweaks I requested) and each gave her input. the whole prosses took 4 min or so. then I looked in the mirror and was happy with that hairline. the whole prosses took around 8 hours (i waited for the Dr consultation around 3 hours) I got to the hotel at 17:00, with the hairline drawn on my shaved head. I should say that breakfast is served at the hotel and lunch and dinner is served at the clinic. operation day 1+2I got a really professional team (jasmin). I used the iPad they gave me as a mirror to see her work. she seemed very professional.I didn't feel the anesthetics at all and slept half the surgery.after the extraction (that was made by jasmin) i had lunch and got back to the incision part which is done by the Dr himself. when that part is finished jasmin continued to the implanting fase.the second day repeated itself.after the first operation day my face was doubled in size and after the second one, it tripled! I look now like a giant balloon.operation details1st day - hairline and temples - 2400 grafts.2nd day - 1929 grafts'density - 48 grafts per cm572 - Singels2733 Doubles900 - Triples118 - Quadruple6 - QuintpuleHair/grafts ratio 2.13pictures before the HT: pictures after the HT (swollen face): 2 days post op. close up:
  17. Hi Forum Visitors and Members, Today, I received a telephone call from Dr. Erdogan, and we had a lengthy conversation about certain things that have transpired within the last year or so. First and foremost, I want to thank all of those who participate on this forum and have the courage to share their genuine results and reviews. You guys are the backbone of this community and the reason why we started this community. What's changed? We flat-out asked Dr. Erdogan, what has changed in his clinic, that so many patients are reporting sub-par growth or are unhappy with their results. According to Dr. Erdogan, and we believe him nothing has really changed at his practice in terms of results. He has always had a few patients that are unhappy with their results. Naturally, every surgeon on the planet has patients with poor growth or are unhappy, but this past year we have seen a virtual campaign against this surgeon. Now, we have recognized that there are in fact some patients who are unhappy and rightfully so, but we've been assured by Dr. Erdogan, that every single one of these patients have been contacted by their clinic, and have even been offered flight tickets to Istanbul. In my opinion, I do feel that this is standing by their work and the patient. Our Recommendations Matter The reason why we had this discussion with Dr. Erdogan, is because our recommendations matter. We truly want to recommend only the very best surgeons on the planet. At this point, @LordBaldwin made a very valid point with statistical data, that statistically ASMED is still producing great results. Although, this does not change how some may feel about their own personal results. It does show that the clinic still consistently producing good results and changing lives. We Will Not Tolerate ANY FORM OF EXTORTION! Now I'm not going to name any names, but we have been alerted by Dr. Erdogan, that some other physician which cannot be named anyways per our legal representation has been trying to undermine his work. There have also been some patients who have demanded refunds and have even threatened Dr. Erdogan, to continue to smear his reputation until they are paid. I have been provided with proof and I have personally seen at least one patient create at least 5 different accounts and aliases to smear Dr. Erdogan's reputation. This type of behavior is unacceptable and is not tolerated by the Hair Transplant Network. I want to make it crystal clear to the community and to any visitor, NO SURGERY IS GUARANTEED! I repeat NO SURGERY IS GUARANTEED! Therefore, if the results do not turnout as expected, you cannot demand a refund. Simply does not work that way. This forum is not anyone's personal tool for extortion. We do not tolerate duplicate accounts or vociferous calls for attention simply because you want to be compensated. Everyone is free to share their genuine results and reviews, but if we see that there are ulterior motives we will have to deal with those users appropriately. Moving Forward There have been some changes to the Hair Transplant Network recently. We're in a transitional period, and we will divulge more information when we can, but rest assure that we are doing our due diligence of ensuring our recommendations stand for something. We will formally announce the changes at a later time. Best wishes, Melvin and Patrick Hennessey Onwards and Upwards
  18. Dear friends, I check all your conversation. I realy dont understhand why you focus only one doctor seems lıke ı feel not advice lıke advertisement In Turkey before ı dıd my operation ı talked with 20 clinis and 5 different doctor. Clinics are: Natural Hair Clınic Expert Clinicana estesafe expertclinic bellaclinic livehair ...... Doctors : dr. Koray erdoğan dr. Serkan aygın dr. Emre Ali karadeniz dr. Cinik dr. Reşat Arpacı my choice was with Dr. Clinic. I check their profile ı read all their story and price as well Please guys open your eyes and makıng good advice
  19. Hi Folks, Long time lurker; My very first post here with the intent to share and contribute based on my upcoming surgery in India with Darling buds and most importantly “ My results “ in the next few months. I feel morally obligated to contribute at least something back to this community that offers : A worldwide network of HT experts, reputed Senior members sharing invaluable info, Top rated HT surgeons positioning their point of views and most importantly "real patients sharing real stories". Background Male in mid-thirties from Canada; NW 3 - Less/More. Past 6 years were dark and depressing. Living in a fool’s paradise; using Toppik daily assuming everything’s fine but somewhere at a deeper level; it continuously bothered me. Finally in 2019; I made the big decision to get a HT. This website is the main reason as to why I was able to solidify on my research, move ahead with a concrete decision and was able to find one of the best doctor (just being positive here) as per my checklist/strict criteria. Special thanks to the Creator of this website – Kudos to the brain that kicked off this humanitarian initiative as it continues to educate millions of potential patients like myself. Why Darling Buds India (I guess they changed the name to 5 Rivers Hospital ) This piece takes forever to decide especially for someone like me who spends gazillions of hours on the Internet/YouTube/Forums. I was always skeptical about giving my Head to someone to be operated; so consulted with many Canadian, American, European, Indian and Turkish clinics. Many reputed names like Dr. Rahal ( Known as the hairline king from Canada), Dr Acar ( Cosmedica Turkey), Dr. Erdogan ( Turkey), Aestimed ( Turkey), LA Hair ( USA), Qunomedical ( Belgium & German clinics), Dr. Cinik ( Turkey) and the list goes on……………………………………………. but None fitted my checklist in it's entirety reflecting 8 Key deciding factors that was prepared after extensive research for years 🙄 : 1. Max cost under 10,000 CAD ( 7500 USD ) for 3500-4000 Grafts to be able to achieve maximum density in my case. YES, I decided to find the best treatment within this range. IMHO, paying this much should suffice in getting you a world class, still affordable HT in today’s age with advanced Technologies, Globalization, the power of internet and competitive market. It's costing me around 9000 CAD ( including some expensive flight tickets) with Dr. Bhatti which seems adequate for the reputation he has or rather a steal ( not sure - will tell later) If budget wasn’t a constraint, I would’ve booked Dr. Rahal ( Canada ) who is local to me OR Dr. Baubac ( Alvi Armani USA) more importantly to save myself from the hassle of flying 20 hours one way, then drive to a different city, book a hotel for a week, apply for a visa, Take few weeks of vacation from work etc. Dr Rahal charges 8 CAD per FUE, most other clinics would cost the same in N. America for FUE Treatment. It’s costing me around 2.40 CAD with Dr. Bhatti ( includes all international/ Local flights, Visa, Hotel, Food, Cab etc.). If you compare Dr Bhatti's fee with his peers who fall in the same reputed arena of global doctors, I think most would sign this off as a great offering for hair loss patients globally. Eugenix quoted around 4 CAD per graft but it was for DHI method. They produced some great results lately and they are the inventors of DHI which is now adapted globally; goes to show that they are researchers also - very impressive. As of 2019, I think Dr. Bhatti and Eugenix should be compared as top players if India is the selected destination for your HT Journey ( My comparison below) I almost finalized Eugenix over Dr. Bhatti but then based on my research, took a U Turn : Eugenix positive aspects: 1. Biggest is DHI - OUT/IN grafts within minutes. Definitely better method as compared to Traditional FUE . I could only find positives so far, no negatives on DHI. It's hard to logically beat DHI method with traditional FUE; so no doctor should even try it IMO. I wish Dr Bhatti would offer DHI to his patients by now ☹ 2. Clinics are located in major cities like Delhi and Mumbai. No need to drive / fly again from major airport all the way to Chandigarh. Eugenix Negative aspects: 1. Some patients mentioned that they were taken for a ride. Eugenix Docs prey on foreign nationals; after or during mid surgery – Dr. Bansal asked for 500 more grafts payment as required and payment must be done during the middle of the operation ( insane); also no breakdown/reasoning was provided in the end. On the contrary, Darling buds has returned some fee to few patients to their surprise which is a classy act of ethical business in my opinion (hard to find) 2. Eugenix costs are almost double than Darling buds( quite expensive for many) but anyways DHI is more costlier than traditional FUE globally and if results are better with more graft survival rate, most patients wouldn't mind paying more. 3. Eugenix is run in a satellite office format, more than one location and hard to get a hold of prime doctors - Dr. Sethi and Dr. Bansal where as Dr. Bhatti provides a peace of mind with one location, one clinic, one doctor who is also the owner of that entire facility with 15 good staff members well trained under him in a peaceful non polluted city near a hill station. #3 was a critical factor in my decision to go with Dr. Bhatti In short, I would’ve loved DHI for best results but I settled with FUE for now Note: Out of thousands, This site recommends ONLY 2 surgeons from Turkey, 7 surgeons from India and 1 from Canada ( I was surprised to see only Dr. Rahal in the list, yes Hasson is there but they're again advocates of FUT ), so HRN really helped me short list 10 surgeons before making the final call 2. ONLY FUE for ME – My heart said a Big “No“ to a linear scar; doesn’t matter if some Doctors persuade you with somewhat genuine reasoning's to avoid FUE such as : FUE provides Less density, FUT offers more grafts and saves Donor area as untouched for future sessions, FUE is a blind process etc. Dr. Feller and Dr. Soni ( Medispa India) seems like the two biggest advocates of FUT over FUE and I agree with some of their explanations as it sounds logical. Dr. Soni really pushed me to sign up with FUT and said his scar technique is different. Promised that he will close it in a way where almost no scarring is visible . It was tough buying into that argument, additionally recent negative reviews about him and I finally decided to brush him aside at that point. 3. Doctor MUST perform the operation (No technicians) – I could only find someone as reputed as Dr. Bhatti who performs 80% of the procedures that includes Hair trimming (to feel your hair ), Anesthesia, FUE Extractions with motorized punch and Incisions. In Turkey where I was almost sold at one point, all operations are run by Technicians. Not a Plastic surgeon, no educational background/ competency level ( it's scary as they're known as the butchers of HT industry) I wish Dr. Bhatti would implant the grafts too ( not his nurses) for extra cost but I guess it will be a tedious job for a busy surgeon to sit for another 4 hours or so ....... Am I asking for too much 4. World class facility matching North American standards : with Heart rate monitoring, proper blood tests, blood pressure check up, spotless , Face coverings during entire operation and sterile environment. 5. Super microscopes and Magnifiers is a must ( Most Turkish clinics operate with naked eyes, when I asked they tried to sell me bull *&**** ) This is extremely important during all 4 phases of operation : Extraction – To make sure proper gaps are left in between grafts in the donor area and get the right angle before using the punch. Sorting – To count how many pure singles, doubles, triples and quads ( if any ) are collected. Incisions – To ensure least collateral damage, magnifier will show 6 x scalp surface so during incisions, holes are made at the right angle, depth and only on bald scalp areas ( not where you've some fine hairs). This should also minimize some shock loss in the post op phase. Implantation - Imperative to only use pure singles / baby soft hairs in the very first few rows of hairline and Temples. If by mistake, they implant doubles – it will give a pluggy look and I would rate that transplant as 50% failed right then and there. If during implant, nurses grab a multi - haired graft, at least microscopes will allow them to revisit to find a pure single graft and then insert it in the right spot. Joe Tillman's video is quite helpful : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeQ4ZvEHb7Y 6. Doctor should have a solid reputation on major forums, hair restoration network, should be well read, traveled, have some global exposure, recommended by Bald-truth, Spex and many other HT mentors like Joe Tillman. Dr. Bhatti checks all those boxes. Yes – there are some mixed opinions about him (and every other Top HT surgeon out there) but perfection is impossible to achieve; so I decided to just look at the bigger picture and go for it. 7. Detailed info, pre op care, post op care, regular contacts and supporting your patients in their hours of greatest needs is of utmost importance. Its well know that Dr. Bhatti, Shera ( his rep) , California would contact their ex. Patients regarding some concerns, would stand by them and not disappear. This was impressive. 8. Patient advisor should be genuine, honest and straightforward – So far, Shera has been awesome, friendly and taking care of all my minor/ major concerns. Always reachable, quick responses and a real time patient who has experienced the same Doctor few years ago first hand. In the long run, it helps to have a contact like him for small chats if need be. I will continue to share my Journey with Darling buds and also, highlight If any red flags are there. So far, I’m just one naive internet researcher in this field who talks based on theories and hypothetical situations, I don’t have any practical experiences yet. Assuming I've made a good decision by choosing this clinic (over others) and trying to keep a positive mindset hoping I will be in good hands is the only thing I can do now. One Sr. Member said it wisely – “For Dr. Bhatti and his staff ( or other clinics) 18th March will be just another day with another patient like thousands came before and will come after, but for a patient who’s been researching on this constantly day/night, it’s a big life event and 18th is one of the most important day of his life after which either he could regain his lost confidence or could loose it forever “ After all, handing off your head to someone for the entire day isn’t one easy decision I’ve seen members here supporting each other against doctors if results aren’t satisfactory. That speaks volumes and the main reason as to why I joined here to gain support from my so called “Anonymous hair restoration family” Dr. Bhatti's hairlines were talked about – not too dense? Any suggestions? Should I revisit this with him ? I don't want a sparse hairline but Not sure if this was an old issue (one -off) Also, I’ve not met Dr Bhatti for any F2F consulting yet or a video consultation, plan is to meet him a day before my procedure. So far, Shera is my driving force. I’m hoping for a life changing experience (like many others), regain my lost confidence and I always say “ Hope “ is something that brings us to these Doctor’s doorsteps. Yes finance and reviews are important aspects but we all hope to be treated in the best possible way during our special treatment day. A little daunting for me to fly all the way, get operated in a surgical room, holes in my head but I’m collecting all the courage in this world to get this done. Shera is helping like one true Samaritan If some of you are able to read this completely, my apologies for such a long note but this is the only forum where I am able to write everything anonymously and vent out if need be. My Journey to be continued……………………………………………………………………………………............................................
  20. I will be posting some pics of my father on this thread to show you guys what I am talking about. I am following quiet a few Erdogan patients that had surgery in 2018 and 2019 to see how their results turn out. Like you said, I've seen a good amount of poor results by his clinic recently and am a bit skeptical. I don't want to waist donor grafts as I'm sure all of us on this forum feel the same way. I've seen a lot of recent posts by Hair of Istanbul on IG and youtube. Any idea about them? A good amount, maybe a quarter of the small bottle. But I buy fibers off of ebay in bulk to save on the cost. Couldn't have said it better. I have the same feelings as you when it comes to how he runs the business. I will try and see what I can do about a refund. I think I will enlist Melvin's help because he seems to have a good relationship with Dr. Diep. Yes I agree and for a quarter of the price. That's my main issue, the price is so expensive and to get this result is a bit disheartening, but I am in this journey for the long haul. I knew what I was getting into when I started, thanks to this forum and other forums like this.
  21. Firstly, I am going to provide advice and share my experience at Asmed clinic for those interested because there are things I wish I knew. After this I may post some photos. I have written this carefully trying to be as objective as possible. ONLINE CONSULTATION Your journey would start here: https://www.asmed.com.tr/ You will get a reply with a suggested area drawn on your photo(s) and estimated number of required grafts (transplanted follicles) and price (€2.5 per graft if shaven). Good-quality photos are important especially if you have diffuse hair loss or hair loss on the crown because that's not easily noticeable. TRAVELLING TO ASMED IN ISTANBUL First of all, make sure what you need to travel there. I just had to pay for a visa that I got online here and that costs $20.55 (bank charged €18.21): https://www.evisa.gov.tr/en/ You can pay up to €3,000 for the FUE by bank transfer and this also confirms your appointment. You will pay the rest the day before the surgery in cash. You can take the money with you in a money belt so you just have to pay attention at the airport security control where you have to take it off. This is not ideal but it's better than looking for ATMs in Istanbul. My coordinator sent me a lot of information but you can also ask any remaining doubts, it's all new for most of us, after all. I wouldn't be afraid of asking anything. As advised by HG1, I bought a memory foam travelling pillow. I bought it at the airport for €20. Asmed will give you one that is not as comfortable. I was told that using euros in Istanbul would be easy but paying in euros there was kind of shady so it's more convenient if you change some money for Turkish liras at the airport. You can also use your credit card in some places, was very useful for having dinner at the hotel, breakfast is included with the room. Basically, you'll need some money for food and transport. We had some issues with the taxi drivers, one of them was driving a long way north and we had to head west and when we told him he got a bit violent so after that we just used the metro and tram which is probably one of the best things I've seen in Istanbul. Just beware, almost nobody speaks English in Istanbul, not even people working at the shopping centres. This is not a problem if you don't leave the hotel, though. ARRIVING IN ISTANBUL A driver from the clinic will be waiting for you. I saw him immediately but be careful because the other patient was called by a random person. That's why Asmed send you a photo of the drivers and the driver displays your name on a tablet. Don't trust any other person. THE DAY BEFORE They take you and welcome you at the clinic's entrance nicely and show you the facilities. There is a coordinator that speaks your native tongue but you'll find that everyone is there to help you if needed. The coordinator guides you through a very well-organised procedure that includes the mentioned tour, making the payment and seeing the doctor. This is my first complaint about Asmed, Dr. Koray Erdogan was extremely quick so I didn't have much time to think or react. I think that he does this when he knows exactly what to do but anyway it doesn't give the best impression. He has a great team but he is the person that made you chose the clinic in the first place and this is a very important decision even though he operates several times a day. The clinic is impressive, just mind the steps. All the girls and guys there were really nice with me and the others and I appreciate that. They are professional, respectful but also natural and friendly and I really loved that, I wish people were like that everywhere. They give you anything that you might need or want before you even ask, which feels so good. They will take professional photos of your head, then shave it and use a Kinect 2.0 camera robot to take 360º photos of the whole scalp. It only left me wishing that I could have shared more than a few minutes with Koray Erdogan. The doctor checked my hair and draw two hairlines, one of them was perfect because it was just like mine ignoring the receding hairline on the sides so obviously I chose that. He praised my temples, that might have helped him drawing the hairline, and warned me that I might need work done on the crown in the future but he firmly refused to touch that area yet and after seeing the photos of the area on his monitor I agreed. He estimated that I have around 7,900 available grafts, I was expecting more because I have a big and dense donor, so I wonder why. After the analysis what the doctor said was confirmed, thickness is 61 microns and hairs per graft number is 1.91. I have some follicles with five hairs because they appear in the photos but they didn't use any of those. Most of my follicles are double, followed by singles and triples in the same quantity. Quardruple and quintpule are present but rare. HT-FUE has very few singles and lots of doubles, triples and quardruples but his follicles are exceptional as far as I know. That means that he has special density above average. Before my hair transplant, I thought that the most important thing is how many grafts they are going to put on each centimetre of your scalp but that is a common mistake. This doctor calculates the hairs per graft average and measures thickness and then maths tell him how many graft per square centimetre you require for a natural look. Let's say that like me, they are going to use grafts with 1.9 hairs each as average and that your thickness is 61 microns. He aims at 5.4 as coverage value so he will decide that you need 48 grafts per square centimetre. Formula: 48 grafts per cm2 · 1.9 hairs per graft · 0.061 thickness equals or exceeds 5.4 coverage value. Coverage value is the fixed value, they multiply the other figures that are personal to get the grafts per cm2 figure. The number of grafts that you need would be 48 multiplied by the square centimetres of your transplanted area. For instance: 48 · 60 cm2 = 2,880 grafts. My area was a bit smaller. SURGERY DAY Koray Erdogan is the person who should do the incisions during the surgery and I asked about this because a patient told me the day before that a girl did the incisions and also a forum member asked me about this. The technicians are the ones that extract and implant but the incisions are the most important part and should be done by Koray Erdogan. Otherwise, I wouldn't even bother choosing him, why would I? He is the master here and one of the best FUE doctors in the world and he should, at the very least, do all the incisions. One of the technicians showed me a few grafts because I accepted to see them. I missed more conversation with my coordinator -my second complaint-, something I read about on the website, during the surgery because I was not able to check my phone or watch films. They gave me a tablet for watching films but I wasn't feeling good enough for that to the point that they called the anaesthetist again, who made me feel better by talking to me and administering additional drug. I felt pain until then but I think he does the right thing by only giving you as much as you need. To be honest, time went by pretty fast because I was sedated and I was in balance between painlessness and consciousness. I was surprised to hear the doctor confidently joking with the girls while doing his job, it is fine for me as long as he stays focused! They were talking in Turkish so I couldn't follow. He looks extremely self-confident and is friendly. Once the job is done, they give you food, drinks and take you to the hotel as always. THE FOLLOWING DAY They pick you up and take you to the clinic where you get your first washing. This is important and you have to pay attention because you will be doing this on your own for the next days. I was a bit worried about washing my scalp and I have had two dreams about grafts falling. In one of them the grafts were like cyborg metallic implants. In the other one the grafts had a tack on the edge. I am a creative person so I'm not surprised about this nonsense at all. The reality is that grafts are natural and carefully extracted as I've been shown and I haven't noticed any of them falling off when I wash my scalp or lying around when I wake up. Washing is actually refreshing and has become my favourite moment of the day and the lotion and shampoo that they give you are soft and comforting. After removing the bandage and washing your scalp for the first time they give you a USB pen drive with photos and a video that explains how to wash your head and everything that you may need for taking care of your scalp including shampoo and lotions, a hat, a inflatable neck pillow, an ice pack and more. SWELLING The day after the HT I flew back home and I recommend that you do the same because the day after that my head was deformed because of the swelling. My head looked normal four days after the HT except the area around the eyes that took one more day but I went outside wearing sunglasses and I felt great. I recommend you to drink a lot of water as I felt that it helped me. I only looked like a monster for two days. I used the ice pack that the clinic gave me but I got a cold because I used it too much. I recovered a few days later so nothing serious, really. I just wished I didn't use the ice pack as much, so note that. PAIN I felt an almost unbearable pain two days after the HT in the donor area, especially when lying in bed, that didn't let me sleep well. This is the healing process, I've been told. I used different painkillers but none of them seemed to work. You just have to deal with it. Melvin told me that he had pain for two weeks. One week later the pain started to decrease, fortunately, and also I started feeling a pleasant tickling in the transplanted area, I don't know for sure but it feels like a positive sign. DONOR AREA Except for the big pain, the donor area looked really good since the beginning and they told me so at the clinic. TRANSPLANTED AREA It was reddish until three days later. Most of the scabs fell off before the eight day. I expected my scalp to be much worse because of my sensitive skin. I didn't have any cracks as some people do but when the biggest scab was gently removed some hairs were removed with it. That doesn't mean that you have lost the grafts but just the hairs that were glued to the scab. No bleeding or anything suspicious so everything seems to be fine up there. TIPS AFTER HT You should contact them for any questions you might have or if you have fever or infection. I didn't have any of these problems or any other, just the pain I described above. Send them photos so they can see if everything is fine, all scabs should be gone before the twelfth day. EVALUATION AFTER HT (IN PROGRESS) My biggest complaint is connected to the second one and it is that after the HT I have noticed that communication with my coordinator is slower and more obstructed than before the HT as I am still waiting for a simple few answers regarding my FUE operation. I feel a bit bad saying this because they were all nice to me and surpassed my expectations, but I want to be totally honest and objective and will update how it goes from now on. If I am totally honest like I am being, I have to say that my coordinator looked unmotivated at moments somehow, specifically when I arrived the second day for the surgery, she was sitting relaxed in the dining room looking at her phone while I was waiting nearby. I felt alone because my new friends were already taken to the operating rooms. Also, during the long surgery session she only talked to me once when I complained about the pain. I felt that the other people cared more for me and I want to thank them a million times. My coordinator is obviously intelligent and skilful so that's why I was expecting more from her and I was disappointed. She could do much better, it's just two days that I am there after all and she didn't have any more patients to attend at the clinic, just me. When I filled in the survey they offered me I rated everything and everyone really high because that's how I feel in general and because I wasn't ready to complain about anything, but my definitive evaluation is this and I will update it depending on how contact with them goes from now on, which is crucial and more important that before the HT, in my opinion. The results will inevitably be rated by anyone if I post them and I am of course hoping for the best possible results and for emotional support during this long process that I still don't believe I am going through. Thanks to all the forum members that have replied my questions and given me advice.
  22. Hey Guys, in few days I will pass the 7. month mark and I would like to show you my progress. Actual I'm very disappointed and I hoped that my 7 month status would look much better. I notice a very low density in both temple areas. It could be lower than 15-20 grafts per square centimeter (Implanted density was ca. 50 grafts per sqcm). Another thing which disturb me are that there are many multiple grafts in the hairline. I think it tends to be a failure, but I would like to hear your opinion to my case. PS: Sorry for my english 😀
  23. Hi all, I've posted a couple of times on here previously. My story briefly is as follows: I'm in my early thirties, and have been noticeably losing my hair since around 2006 (so 10-11years), with the most rapid loss between 2012 and 2014. My father is a NW5 slowly progressing to a 6 (but he is 70!), I'm probably a NW5 too at present but progressing towards an NW6. My maternal grandfather had a full head of hair (maybe a NW2 or NW3 at worst), my paternal grandfather didn't (probably a NW6). Despite noticing my hair loss for the past decade or so, I haven't really taken any action. In 2011 I trialled minoxidil for 6 months, however stopped taking it after this time due to palpitations. It worked well, I noticed new hairs forming (in my hairline), however after I stopped taking it I noticed dramatic loss in a couple months or so (hence my worse loss probably being around 2012-2013). I never tried finasteride; I know, people are going to say; "why not?" or "just give it a try!". It's purely a personal decision; I do not wish to undergo any of those side effects nor have to take a pill for the rest of my life. If this stops me from getting a great result, then so be it. However, I am perhaps willing to try 1mg of Propecia 3x/week; that way it would be much cheaper and also I would hopefully at less risk of sides (it’s not just the sexual ones which concern me, I have a very high functioning job, and need to be on my A game all day; I don’t want the cognition side effects either). Anyways, I decided I would probably need multiple HT in 2013 and enquired at H&W with David Anderson. He was very amicable and he followed me up until 2016 when he left. I actually booked a 4500+ FUT megasession with Dr. Hasson, however unfortunately I had to cancel this due to no longer being available at the dates I had booked (as I would have to fly to Canada and back this was not possible in the short amount of time I had off). I was also uneasy about undergoing FUT due to the scar. I have already told myself as a last resort that if my hair gets really bad I will just have to keep it really short or buzzcut it, this would not be possible with FUT (and is just about a possible with FUE); I understand that FUE leaves scars too, don’t worry. They were very kind and considerate about all this and I thank them and their whole team for their professionalism. For sure if I needed a FUT they would be the first point of call; I had been researching for the last 5 years or so, and they definitely seemed the top. I then went researching for a surgeon who did FUE who was close by but affordable. My research brought up several familiar names: Lorenzo, Bisanga, Lupanzula and Erdogan. These (location wise) would all be feasible in my very limited time off and all their work shows great skill. However Lorenzo never replied to my emails until several months later and I decided I didn't want to fly in the end so ruled Spain (& Lorenzo out) and Turkey out and thus Erdogan. This left both Lupanzula and Bisanga as my top choices, they both had my dates available, and if I am correct Lupanzula worked previously with Bisanga? I was able to consult with Dr. Lupanzula over Skype however unfortunately logistically I was unable to meet him, however I was able to actually meet Dr. Bisanga in person and this definitely swung it for me. He was very amicable, and has many have commented he doesn't promise you the world, he is very realistic, conservative (the good kind!), honest and ethical. We decided that 3000-3500 grafts would be most appropriate with them concentrating on rebuilding the hairline and the frontal third. As you can see from my photos, the crown is also very bare, but I will have to therefore have another HT to potentially sort this out in the near future ± try propecia 3x a week. I was classed as a NW4V although I feel my hair is worse than that; it was probably made difficult for the doctor as I had my hair very short at the time of the consultation. In my eyes, hairline > crown coverage due to framing of the face.etc. My hair is quite thin, and my head is quite large, therefore I am not sure what sort of coverage I would need to get a good result, but thankfully my donor density was rated as decent with 80FU/cm2 all around. So, tomorrow I will have the first session of 3000-3500 grafts and then revisit my hair in 2 years time to either work further on the front, midscalp or deal with the vertex; depending on how much reserve I have. I’ll try to keep updated! Photos below are from January time; I can update with clinic photos tomorrow.
  24. A blunder to have Dr. Koray's name where Dr Devroye should have been, yes probably. I did not state the first sentence was incorrect. Not trying to distance ourselves from Koray here, we have no reason to. Just trying to set the record straight and give the credit where its due. Seems odd to me that was your conclusion. The whole point of this was to clear up the notion our techs were trained by Dr. Koray. My apologies again for the "blunder".
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