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  1. Hi all, Recently I've been really narrowing down my options, and will be looking to get a HT this year. Initially, I didn't know where to start, but now, thanks to this forum, I almost don't know who to choose. This wonderful forum has shown me so many great surgeons I had never even heard of. Ideally, I would love to visit Hasson and Wong, but their cost is quite high, at 8$ & 6$ USD per graft (I am an Australian, and the conversion makes me cry). I was tossing up between LA Fue Clinic, Keser, and Dr. Pradeep Sethi at Eugenix, just to name a few. I guess my main question is, when choosing your final surgeon, what specifically tipped the scales in their favour for those that have had transplants? I'm looking for some tools to narrow down my options, it's become very hard to bite the bullet and choose someone. Thanks everyone!
  2. FUE has advanced, but so has FUT/FUSS. FUE is the evolution of the old plug transplants, it is not THE advanced technique. It is not always better but can be in some situations, the same is true for strip. It takes a skilled surgeon and team for EITHER procedure. It takes research and disclosure from clinics to potential patients to educate them of the benefits vs the downfall of EITHER. I have been a part of this community and have witnessed the evolution first hand. Facts are facts..... both create scars..... neither cure balding..... both can effectively move hair and in skills hands provide a natural restoration. Neither are perfect. Simrangoyal, I am Clinical Supervisor for Dr. Jerry Cooley. I have also had the honor to be the past chair and the Forum (ISHRS publication former editor for the Assistants Corner). I have been a part of this forum since it's beginning. I am fairly knowledgeable having been in this field for 20 years, about either. Dr. Cooley does not use old techniques. We do both procedures as do many other surgeons; using the latest technology available. Sometimes what is promoted as the latest greatest but in reality is the opposite. Research is key to finding the truth.......
  3. 57 days out of a so far good experience with Dr L. Nader. This post will have results, experiences, opinions on my procedure and the process in general. 1) Decision. Early 40's male with slow progressing hair loss since early 20's and at time of procedure guessing a NW5 . Still had enough hair growing across the bridge of my head for some passable comb over action. Hair loss comes in waves somewhat. And this last wave over the past 3 years it went from presentable. to really thin and debatable if the comb over was helping frame my face, or looking kind of like I was holding on and trying too hard. Basically that point we can all see in other guys when we can safely say they look better just buzzing it and owning their confidence again. Funny thing is we don't see it easy in ourselves. To that end we have all seen men here completely failing in this department. I watched several guys here who looked really handsome with a little receding hairline rush and get a new one only to look less manly and detract from their looks. Granted, most guys benefit hugely from the front center being there, but sometimes high temples look better with certain guys and they screw it up. Bit the biggest fails I see here are the older guys who overdye and get too aggressive trying to see themselves at 20 in the mirror and it looks BAD. Or the flip side is they get some little tuft of hair three inches too high. It looks good to them, but they would look so much better just shaving it off and waste huge money on a look that hurts their looks. ASK PEOPLES ADVICE. I was lucky that I have a few really attractive female friends in their late 30's and early 40's and got some feedback. All said the same things! First is they really don't look at guys hair much unless it is bad. Kind of like how women notice each others nails and makeup but guys don't really focus on that. But let's also be honest, some people look good bald, but most look better with hair. A HT isn't going to make you go from a 5 to a 10. But like clothes, really bad hair can ruin you. If it is stringy and receding bad. man up and cut it off. Or if you are a good candidate and can really make a nice look, go with the HT if you can afford it. But only if it really can improve your look. Go bald or have it restored to at least a convincing mature hairline. After looking at 10,000 results I can say anything less will only make you look worse! To that end, I gave up the struggle with creative combing, hair spray and shading makeup (works great for once in a while when you want to look your absolute best). I cut my hair to about one inch. I hated it at first. Never had it like that before. Crazy thing is after a few weeks of getting used it it I knew I looked a 1000x better. All my female friends I asked were crystal clear they thought it was great short and was an improvement. I know I looked more bald, but confidence is sexy and I looked more confident . even if I didn't feel it. I always thought I would never have the kind of face or head that looked right buzzed. But turns out it's probably in my head and a lot of guys too. I only cut it short to prepare for the HT and see how I liked it since it was going to get cut off anyhow. I grew to like it. Not sure I will choose to grow it back to the 3-4 inches it was ever again. 2)Decision made, now what? So I am not a rich guy. But I always said when my hair got to the point where I really felt it was an issue, I would look at getting FUE. NEVER FUT. Month's of research and for the life of me, unless you are a NW6 who want's to absolutely push graft numbers to the limits, why would you ever let someone meat clever your head and get a huge scar. DON'T DO IT unless you are in that tight spot going for broke. Even then I think it is foolish. Two big decisions to make. One was what surgeon and two, how much needed to be done with a FUT procedure. I could not afford to use one of the top 10 big name clinics in the world. They have a huge proven track record of a high rate of good results and are the obvious choice if you have $20-40,000usd to spend. And with so many results you can see each doctor has a look that they strive for. Some are dense hairlines, some maximizing donor grafts for the best overall look. All are good, but pick one who's style you like and you have made as safe of a bet as you can. No Dr. hits a home run every time. Even the best. But odds are ever in your favor! HT is not rocket science. I see tons of guys disappointed for different reasons. Sometimes it is a medical failure, but usually an issue of unrealistic expectations, surgeon skill and lack of homework. After having looked at 1000's of results I gained some wisdom. The math does not lie. To get the density I wanted over the area that I wanted with the hair type I have I knew I needed 3,500 Grafts. The numbers are simple really, but ignored by most. The average patient with average thickness hair and average of 2 hairs per FU needs 40-50 follicles transplanted per cm2. installed in mostly bald areas. That is the minimum to have hair that does not look blatantly thin to the average person in front of you. It would probably not look right on a 22 year old, looks okay on a 40y old and up. Now, if you have jet black hair on a white guy, going to need more! It is not hard to measure. I did the math and knew what I needed. Now to find the right Dr. 3) With my budget in mind, I set out to explore the lesser known options outside of the superstars. This is where it gets murky. Even the 2nd tier surgeons in the US are pretty expensive. Some are for sure second tier because they don't do as good or as reliable work. Others are maybe up and coming and making a name for themselves. You can make your own decisions there. Then there are the 3rd tier places. Basically every city is full of plastic surgeons who will do a HT for you. But unless this is what they do, and all they do, STAY AWAY. It is a very skilled thing and needs a well oiled machine of a team. But for guys who are on a limited budget there is another option. Getting your HT done in a lower cost nation. Turkey is the superbowl of that. If you are smart and do your homework, you can get a world class HT done there at a fraction of the cost. But you really need to do your homework and sometimes roll the dice. I mean if you have a 95% chance of getting a best case result at a US superstar, maybe you have a 90% there at a good place in Turkey for 1/4 of the price. On a budget, that is still pretty good odds. I was going to get a HT in Turkey. The risk to reward on a budget was the next best choice to a top doc here in the USA. I was about to book a plane ticket when I caught wind of Dr. Nader in Mexico. 4) Why I went to Mexico. Simple really. I found a doctor I felt confident in who crossed all the t's and dotted all the I's I needed for a practice. His results were good (at least at the time I booked) and of course it was much closer than Turkey. I rented a car and drove there in a day. And of course, cost. I could afford 3,500 grafts there. And more importantly felt confident in his practice. To me it was the next best choice after the top USA doctors. So I booked a 2 day FUE with him. 5) Why Dr Nader. I knew I was going to have to get more creative than booking a bankrupting HT with Hasson and Wong. Having researched tons of doctors, medical journals and message boards, I came to settle on this guy for a few reasons beyond cost and location. He does the extractions and incisions himself. In other words, no technicians who you know nothing about doing the work. Sure, people can be trained and you go with the reputation of the practice. But even better if you know for sure someone who has done this 1000's of times is behind the punch putting 1000's of holes in your head. He has the right staff. Dr. Nader had 5 nurses/techs working with him on my procedure. He used a .8mm punch He limits how many grafts he does a day and only sees one patient a day. Very important and a real sign of quality. His website is lacking and marketing is non existent. But with some real effort you can see he had the important things you look for on paper with a good HT surgeon. At the end of the day I really had to look at results. His results are poorly documented. Considering he does this every day and has for over a decade, you would hope for more to go on. But I really had only about 10 results to see. And to be honest some looked mediocre. On the bright side I never saw any negative reviews or bad results. Then came the real hard looks. I noticed every mediocre result was because of low graft counts. Simply put Dr. N was getting really good results with the actual hairs he transplanted, but often patients were not having enough grafts done to start with. At the time of my booking I only could find one person he worked on that had what I would consider a sub-par result. I figured most of the unremarkable results were due to budget. I mean if the patient only has a limited budget, you do what you can and I think he gets a lot of guys who are on a budget. Armed with that information I felt strongly that Dr. N was a good choice and would be able to get the same graft survival rates as any top doctor should. I will add that right at the time of my procedure several new cases came to light here where his results were week even when the patient had enough grafts implanted. So I kind of got nervous. Though even those results were not failures. But they were not home runs either. One guy may just need more time, the other looks like maybe 60% of it grew. Time will tell I guess. Had I see these before my procedure, I may have gone to Turkey and seen one of the clinics there. It would have been a harder choice. I am glad I saw them after..lol 6)Procedure. His office is 2 miles from the USA. Really no big deal and he sends a car. Nice office. Everything they say about the man here is spot on. He is kind, professional, knowledgeable and you can not help but feel in good hands and like the guy. Very down to Earth. We talked about my goals and what we would be working towards. He also talked very candidly about his own struggles with hair loss and why he chose this profession. Even some American doctors who he knows personally as he is active in the community of HT surgeons. I also learned quickly why many of his results look thin. It really comes down to each surgeon is a bit of an artist too. His aesthetic is very conservative. To say he is NOT money driven is an understatement. He tried to convince me I only needed 2500 grafts even though it would still take up the two days I was booked for. So he would have lost thousands of dollars because he was advocating for me and what he felt. He could have safely transplanted the 3500. He just said it was not needed to have a nice result, and save my money. So two awesome things there, One, you start to realize this Dr. in his mind thinks thin hair looks age appropriate. There is no right or wrong there. Two, he proved to me that he is not money driven, but results and compassion driven. Regardless of my final result, I completely respect and feel confident in his ethics. Ultimately I was steadfast in wanting to get the density I was aiming for and knew I needed to hit for the look I wanted (low 40's per cm2). He agreed to implant to a as high a density as possible where we were still 100% safe and not pushing it. We ended up with about 500 extra grafts since I was insistent on harvesting 3500 and he truly didn't know how dense he could pack safely till implantation started later. So we put the last 500 in the crown. He also ended up with about 100 more grafts than I paid for, but told me not to worry about that. Very classy operation. Procedure was over two consecutive days. Not painful and pretty standard for a HT. Each session of about 1800 grafts took about 6 hours from first punch, till last implant. That's well within the safe zone time wise. He also uses a upgraded storage solution, but only mentioned it when I asked. These are things he could easy market on his website or cheap out on techs. Nope, he just likes what he does and cares for his patients. The first night I took some Advil. Night of 2nd day or surgery I didn't even have to take anything. It was as pleasurable and painless as you can hope for. It is really not fun though and let's not sugar coat it. But not so horrible you can't watch TV or grit your teeth and get through it. At the end of the two days we had implanted 3588 grafts. Nearly all were 2 hair grafts. My hairs according to him were on the thicker side of average. I have average donor density in back, so I probably have 2-3000 or so in reserve for the future. Most of it went into the frontal 1/3 and quick math shows we implanted at a density of about 43 grafts per cm2. We went with a fairly conservative hairline that we agreed looked good. Though he felt I could have left it about 1/3 inch higher on my forehead. I wanted it a bit more forward and that's what he did and I don't regret that.
  4. I would think H&W primarily does FUT, but they also do a lot of FUE. It really depends on the patient as far as coverage needed, donor hair, economics/FUE is more labor intensive thus more expensive, and other factors. Hasson/Wong has performed two FUT's on me and Dr. Wong stated if I have another transplant it needs to be a FUE procedure. I will probably have one more surgery with Hasson/Wong and it will be my first FUE. I really don't look forward to the long face-down time in the chair for a FUE surgery and the additional expense of FUE.....but at my age and my surgery history I have no choice but FUE.
  5. It's been a long time coming....over 13 years to be exact. I'm not going to rehash my previous stories, you can look them up on my previous threads. However, I am happy to say I have FINALLY repaired the Bosley mistake I made when I was only 21! I just got home from a long day at Dr. Cooley's office! I got there at 7AM, and they worked on me diligently until 6:45PM. I'm a little exhausted to say the least, so I'm not going to give drawn out details, just some bullet points: Customer Care: Impeccable. Dr. Cooley and his team were at my side every step of the way. Pain: Basically non-existent. And, I was very lucid for almost the entire procedure. I remember being blacked out when I had my Bosley procedure years ago...no clue what was going on. Atmosphere: Dr. Cooley's office is in a major medical center in Charlotte, NC. It's connected to a hospital. You could not feel more comfortable and confident in the setting. Procedure: Started with the strip removal, then incisions, followed by graft placements. Dr. Cooley was by my side at least 95% of the entire procedure, regardless of what was happening. And I have complete faith in his assistants. His lead assistant Brandi has been with him for 18 years! THE BEST PART!: I paid for 2000 grafts, but was adamant about not elongating my existing scar over a certain length. Dr. Cooley complied, and we fell short of the purchased grafts by roughly 225. Dr. Cooley performed a non-shaven FUE on me for the remainder of the grafts....and did not charge me the extra expense for this type of procedure even though I insisted on it. Overall: As a repair patient and someone EXTREMELY critical of this entire industry, my experience today could not have been any better. Of course, I'm now on to the waiting game. Attached are before pictures from last night, and post-surgery pics from 15 minutes ago. Any feedback is greatly appreciated! PS: Thank you for all of the support from fellow members of these forums, other clinics, and clinic representatives over the years. You know who you are and I can't thank you enough!
  6. IDK if Hasson & Wong use WAW in their clinic, but Dr. Wong has demonstrated it along side Devroye and raved about it on the H&W blog. Also agree with Legend and Melvin that consistency and quality of results is most important. OP, if your goal is to minimize trauma and scarring in donor then look for clinics that consistently show the least signs of surgery in the fully healed donor area in patient posted results. New tools/techniques are continually developed and top surgeons employ different tools/techniques depending on the case.
  7. Hello all, Been a lurker to not just this forum, but a few others (including reddit) and decided to join this one and create a post. So a little about me (please bare with me lol). I'm 33 now, Back when I was about 23, I believe, the girl who used to cut my hair pointed out that I had a thin spot on my crown. The reason she pointed it out, besides the fact that she was a family friend, is that she always knew me to have very thick, very coarse hair. I still sorta do. I hopped on rogaine not too far after that, and then upped the ante by going on finasteride, or propecia (it's now generic finasteride that i'm taking currently), when I noticed that my hairline was beginning to weaken, which was around 26-27. Was only on it for maybe 3 years, when I got off of it (was expensive before i found out i could get generic for a fraction of the cost). All in all, I've been back on it for well over a year now. Despite my proactivity in my fight back for hairloss, I'm slowly losing the battle and am looking to buy time. I've been exploring and researching hair transplants for a few years now. Prob since 2015. I've seen some absolute works of art, I've also seen the absolute worst surgeries imaginable, but what my research has concluded is that this is something you absolutely MUST do your homework on, and that you really only want the best in the field to do the work. It wasn't until recently that I decided to take it a step further and get consultations, and I've limited it to just right now. Hasson and Wong, and Chicago Hair Institute. I've had 2 online consults with hasson and wong, with a guy named mike over a span of 2 years, the last one being last week. Been interested in Dr. Hasson for as long as I"ve been doing research. Both consults, not much has changed in the recommendation of 3000 grafts to fill in hairline and crown, but I never pulled the trigger because well, i never thought it would get worse over the long term and my loss has pretty much been stable (and yknow, MONEY). But as of recently, i was picked up by reputable talent agency on the east coast, and given the unfortunate circumstances of vanity and the nature of the industry, i've been extremely critical of my friends on the top of my head. After doing more research, and discovering the talents of Dr. Konior, (as well as the lack of availability from what I've seen in these forums), I decided to send in my photos to the Chicago Hair institute. There was a page on the site that was for out of town patients, and they care about discreetness and a timeline as to when i could wear a hat and go home, and that spoke volumes to me as I'd really like to be as discreet as humanly possible. I was contacted by Dr. Nadimi, who gave me essentially the same graft estimate that H&W gave me, and I'll be booking a facetime consultation with her coming up. I'll show photos of my situation as well, but I'm curious as to anyone's dealings with Dr. Nadimi. From what I've experienced and understand so far, is that she's worked under and been trained by Konior, and that she's all business. And that her quality of work is good, but there's not much info on her results, in the regard that there are volumes on Koniors work. Right now, she's the front runner given her locale (my uncle lives 8 miles from the clinic, so i can ask to stay with him), and that she also emailed me directly. That truly impressed me TBH. Konior is booked over a year out, and i want to get this done sooner rather than later. Any and all info would be great!
  8. Planning to do my 3rd HT with Dr. Koray Erdogan mid December (dates booked) . My 1st HT 2750 grafts (FUT) was with Dr Madhu in 2013, 2nd HT 1500 grafts (FUE) was with Dr Bhatti in 2015. Both were unshaven and hence the relatively low graft count. As you can see from the attached pics, my hair loss has deteriorated a lot over the past few years. I hide it well using concealers like Toppik, but am hoping for a permanent solution. Dr Bhatti mentioned he could extract only 1500-2000 grafts for the next HT, so started reviewing doctors who could potentially provide a higher graft count. As I was exploring different options last year and this year, 2 doctors were at the top of my list. First was Dr Hasson /Wong for FUT, and second was Dr Erdogan for FUE. I had an in person consultation with H&W representative in Americas, and he said the doctor could extract upto 5000-5500 grafts over 2 sessions (equal split) 6-12 months apart. The first H&W FUT surgery will yield only 2200-2500 grafts due to the scar tissue from the first FUT from Dr Madhu. The second HT would mostly be a FUE. While I was happy with the graft count, splitting the surgery into 2 wasn't ideal. The second option was Dr Erdogan, who is well known for his extremely high graft count. I was pleasantly surprised (shocked?) by his high graft quote of 5000 grafts. I was also extremely impressed with his results. I know there are few threads that cast doubts over his results, but the overwhelming body of work that is extremely impressive is difficult to ignore. Looking forward to my HT in 2 weeks. Will update the forum with my experiences and results. If anyone has any feedback, comments, tips or questions, please do let me know. Fingers crossed !!!
  9. Patient in his mid-40’s from Florida. Previous procedure at another clinic back in 2000 of around 700 grafts. Dr. Wong and team rebuild a new hairline and frontal zone working back into the necessary areas of need including the crown. Of the 4490 grafts used, 1506 were single hair grafts, 2347 were doubles and 637 were 3-4 hair grafts. With his hair dyed, these photos were taken 1-year post-op at the time of his second procedure. In the second session, not reflected in these photos, Dr. Wong rebuilt the temples and points and increased density throughout. An additional 3532 grafts were employed and we hope to have updated photos showing the final result sometime later this year.
  10. Overview 1036 graft FUE done by Dr HASSON Graft breakdown: 294 singles 668 doubles 74 3-4 hairs. Hey guys/girls, I wanted to create a thread regarding my experiences/updates with respect to the FUE procedure I had with Dr HASSON of HASSON and WONG. I am a 33 year old Asian male, and live in Vancouver, BC, Canada. Background: I started to notice the hairs on my temples becoming weaker approximately 10 years ago. I did not think much of it as I attributed them to being the "baby" hairs on my hairline. I noticed it when I decided to buzz my hair to a number 2, and realized that the temple hairs were finer, and did not grow back as strong as the rest of my head. I was still a NW1. Two years later, I realized that the temples were indeed receding a bit. I started to panic, and hit the internet for solutions. I started on MIN 2% liquid and applied it only to the temples, as prescribed. I Immediately noticed tiny vellus hairs, but they never turned terminal. As MIN became more available, I switched to the 5% liquid, then to the 5% foam (which I use to this day). I have been on MIN, and applying it to my entire scalp for the past 8 years (for preventative measures). I do not experience any sides with MIN so I am lucky, however my temples continued to slowly recede and thin out. This year, it has gotten to the point where it was getting hard to conceal my hairline, and the thinness started to show. I also wanted to be able to slick my front up, which I have not been able to do for years due to the recession. I have experimented with Saw Palmetto extract for a couple years at a time, and although I did not obtain regrowth with it, I actually experienced FIN like side effects such as ball ache (which subsided after the first month of use), and anxiety/panic attacks (which started approximately 1 year after continual use). For the last 2 years, up until my hair transplant, my regimen had been S5 cream 2x a day, and MIN foam 5% 2x a day. I had always lurked the different hairloss forums, and posted now and then. I had always been interested in HW as my choice for a HT clinic if I ever decided to bite the bullet. Of course price, and the fact that HW only provided FUT were the drawbacks for me. I have always cut my hair very short on the sides, the longest being a number 2 on the sides and back, so FUT was not an option for me. Also, travelling out of country was NOT an option for me for a HT, or any surgery for that matter. The lack of followup in the case of complications post op, was a big deal for me. Consultation with HW After sending pictures to HW for an online consultation, I received an email from Doug a couple days later advising that I was a good candidate for HT with Dr HASSON. I was invited to come into the clinic for a free in person consultation with the Dr. on June 18th, 2015. On June 18th, I walked over to the clinic (yes I live that darn close!). I remember feeling a bit excited and anxious. When I reached the office, I noticed right away this clinic was top notch; clean, tasteful decor, and extremely friendly/professional staff. I first met with Doug who spoke to me for about 10 minutes, and showed me some pictures of hairline work the clinic had done. Soon after, Dr HASSON came into the office and introduced himself. His calm and confident demeanor was comforting. Dr HASSON examined my hair and stated that he estimated that I would require 800-1000 grafts, and that I was a good candidate for FUE. I peeked over at the chart Dr HASSON had, and confirmed that I was a NW2 at this point (which I have been for a few years now, but a thinning one). I don't remember too much more from the meeting except saying to myself, "I can afford 1000 grafts!!" I spoke more to Doug a bit after regarding HW and FUE. I learnt that HW had officially offered FUE as an option to patients earlier in the year, however, they have had special cases where they would perform FUE in the past. A week later, I decided to schedule my surgery. Took the time off work and confirmed a surgery date of Aug 5th, 2015, at 7am. Day of Surgery I did not get a wink of sleep the night prior, and it wasn't because I was nervous. I worked a grave yard shift, and pretty much got off work, took a shower, had breakfast, and straight to the clinic! I arrived at the clinic at 6:55 am. Completed all the paper work required, and was met by one of the techs. Dr HASSON asked if I had any questions regarding how I wanted my hairline, and if I had thought about what we discussed at the time of the consultation. We decided to have him draw in a hairline, and have me look at it after, which I was very happy with. I did not want a juvenile hairline and wanted to keep the NW2ish look, however I just wanted the symmetry improved and the density increased. Pre Op pictures were taken. Now for the fun stuff. Dr HASSON confirmed that he would require 1000 grafts for my surgery. He shaved the donor area down with clippers, and injected local anesthesia, which IMO was the most painful part of the surgery. It really does suck! Once all numbed up, Dr HASSON passed the procedure on to one of his techs to perform the FUE extraction which was all done manually with a .85mm punch. This information here is probably what most of you wanted to know, whether the Dr did the extractions or the techs. I am not sure if this is the case for every single FUE surgery they perform, but for my case, a tech did it. Although I could not feel a thing, I could tell that the tech was very confident and smooth with her movements with the tool. During the extraction, I had to go to the bathroom a couple of times. Lunch was at about 12pm (which only lasted 15 mins, then right back at it). I am not sure how much more time was spent on extraction after lunch, but it wasn't that long. While the grafts were being extracted, another tech was inspecting and trimming the grafts in the same room. Throughout the extraction, Dr HASSON would enter the room and inspect the donor area, and grafts that were extracted. After the extraction was done, I was finally able to lie on my back. The most uncomfortable part of the extraction was being face down for hours. I watched Back to the Future while Dr HASSON made his world famous lateral slits! Dr HASSON made a couple slits, and got the tech to see whether the size of the slits were appropriate for the grafts. The remainder of the 1000 slits did not take that long. After the slits were made, two techs (one on each side) started to implant the grafts. I am not sure how long this took.. but I remember being done at 6:30pm.. So pretty much 10.5 hours of surgery with minimal breaks in between. Now I know why FUE is more expensive than FUT... It really takes that much more time. Dr HASSON made a comment that the grafts extracted looked very strong, which was encouraging. Even Dave (Garageland) made a special appearance and popped into the room to say hi, while my grafts were being implanted. I was bandaged up, and given post op instructions, and scheduled to come back the following two days for my first and second washes. Pain/immediate post op I was given pain meds and sleeping meds that I decided not to take at all when I got home. As the anesthesia wore off, I started to feel slight throbbing, and soreness in my donor and recipient areas, but I decided to tough it out. I was exhausted and had no problems sleeping. I slept on the couch as I didn't want any issues sleeping on the bed with the wife there. Day 1 Post Op Went in at 12pm for my first wash. Took pictures. Dr HASSON re inspected the work and was very happy with how the donor area, and recipient area looked. He again commented on how happy he was with the grafts and how I had very strong grafts. Again, I was very happy to hear that. Day 2 Post Op Donor and recipient areas starting to itch, showing signs of healing. Went in for a second wash. Going in tomorrow for an optional third wash as well. They offered it, and I decided to take it since I live so close by, and I figure I prefer them doing the washing during the early stages to be on the safe side. I will post pictures once I receive them from the clinic. I also wanted to stress that I could not be any happier with the treatment I received from everyone at HW. I have NEVER dealt with a more friendly, and professional group of people! Every single one of them had a smile on their face, and asked how I was doing numerous times throughout the surgery. Even for my 1 day post op wash, the tech that worked on me, went out of her way, to come and say hi to me and asked me how I was doing when I was getting washed. I was very impressed, and felt very welcomed. So there we have it... My initial experience with HW's FUE. Pictures: Pre Op 1-3 Immediate Post Op 4-6 1 Day Post Op 5,6
  11. Hi folks, I just wanted to share my recent experience following an FUT procedure with Dr Jerry Cooley yesterday. I apologise if this post is long and detailed but I took a lot of value from all the various posters and wanted to give the same back. Days leading to the procedure I had been speaking to Cooley’s clinic in September and had various conversations with Lollie as well as telephonic conversation with Dr Cooley himself. After speaking to them both I kind of knew that this was the clinic I wanted to go with. I paid a deposit at the end of October for a 4000 FUT procedure. During the lead up, I must admit it was a mixture of emotions and last week was possibly the worst. At one point I just wanted to cancel and not go through such was the nerves and anxiety. But ploughed through it and as the day got closer the more excited I felt. Travel to Charlotte from LHR Some of you may be aware the UK experienced snow fall which as per usual played havoc with some of the outbound flights. I was due to fly out at 13:30 and came to know in the morning prior to reaching the airport that the flight had been delayed to 14:20. 14:20 came and there was still no news about what gate to go to or if the flight had been delayed or even cancelled, despite repeated attempts to find out information from the relevant information desks. Finally, we were given a gate and told to expect to take off at 16:30. We boarded the flight around 17:00 and didn’t take take off till 19:30. Which meant we didn’t arrive in Charlotte till 23:30!! Immigration control was no issues, just told them I was here for vacation and they asked some additional questions such as “where I am staying, how long, what I do for a living, how much currency I have etc?”. Breezed through with no problems. The clinic had arranged for us to be put up in the Hilton Garden Inn which is about 20 mins or so from the airport and approximately 5/6min drive to the clinic. Day of procedure I was advised by Aileene to be at the clinic at 7am. The hotel offers a shuttle bus and because of the late check in they were unable to schedule this for me at short notice, so had to get an Uber to the clinic. Arrived at the clinic and was greeted by Stephanie and taken to a room where I was asked to complete the normal paperwork. These were actually sent to me prior so I could’ve made my life a little easier by completing these prior to arriving. Stephanie was very kind and didn’t make an issue out of this. She was very calming and friendly. Once the paper work was completed, I was asked to choose some movies (like most clinics they had a large range) and also lunch (again loads of options and if anyone is interested I had a turkey panini wrap). Once this was all done Dr Cooley arrived to greet me. Following an initial conversation about goals etc I knew this guy was top notch, such was his confidence, personality and straightforwardness. I had my photos taken and the hairline drawn not that there was much to draw as I already had frontal tuft it was just a case of bridging the areas which had been lost. He looked at my donor and said it was excellent and that laxity was very good. We both agreed that the frontal third would be the most dense and continuing in to the mid-scalp area with less density and also shrink the crown outside in but not completely fill. Once this was all agreed, I was given my meds; antibiotics, valium and two prednisone’s (these are to help reduce any swelling). Once that was done, I was taken to the room. The room was exactly how I expected it to be. I had previously watched Joe Tillman’s visit to the clinic and if anyone wants to see it, take a look on YouTube. My hair was then slightly shaved where the strip was due to be taken. At the same time Brandy was taking my blood pressure. It was a little high, not sure why as I was super calm and excited. Anyhow, I was asked to lie face down on the chair for strip removal and was also given something to calm me down. After this was done I don’t remember much. I vaguely remember the anaesthetic shots and these were not as painful as I thought they would be. After this I must have dozed off as I cant remember anything thereafter. I do remember it was around 08:30 when I was asked to lie down. I woke up later and asked for a rest room break (I was literally bursting!). Dr Cooley advised that it wasn’t an issue as he was almost done closing the strip. I got up and felt a bit light headed, so sat down, I looked at the time and it was 10:30. Dr Cooley advised that it was a straight forward removal and there was no heavy blood loss or any other issues which I was very happy about. The strip was closed with sutures. After the rest room break Dr Cooley and Brandy started to make the incisions in the scalp and at the same time I think I counted six technicians in the room doing the graft dissection. I felt absolutely no pain at all during this process. I just had my headphones in and probably nodded off a couple of times. I cant stress enough how painless everything was so far! Time for lunch around 12noon. I asked Dr Cooley how the work was going and he mentioned that they had done around 2000+ incisions and would be inserting the grafts after lunch. We broke for lunch for about 20/30mins or so. I ate and at the same time was talking to the extremely friendly technicians. After lunch the work continued and at the same time I was watching the selected movies. Don’t really remember the first two films. I had selected the Batman series and I do remember during the Dark Knight, Dr Cooley saying a few dialogues which I found pretty funny. Dr Cooley and Brandy meticulously inserted the grafts for the next 7 hours. Yes it was that long but this is purely down to both being perfectionists. One thing to note the anaesthetic shots (I actually don’t remember where these were placed in the front, I assume around the forehead area) but a couple did hurt just slightly but literally lasts for 5/10 seconds. It really isn’t that bad at all! During the latter part of the procedure I was quite alert and conversing with both Cooley and Brandy. They are both amazing people and extremely friendly to talk to. They actually bounce off each other was really refreshing. I did joke with them that they are like husband and wife which they found quite funny! The last hour was probably the most discomforting mostly because I had been in the chair for almost 11 hours and my shoulders and neck were getting pretty sore. Again I ploughed through. We eventually finished the entire procedure around 20:30ish. I asked how many grafts I got and was told over 4000 which I was really happy about. Post op pictures were taken and I was shown the back of my head and the top. I was slightly nervous about strip and where it was being taken from and if it would be visible. I can honestly say that Dr Cooley and Brandy have done a fantastic job as I couldn’t find it at all. The top of the head looked pretty good considering I had over 4000 grafts inserted. I was given my post op instructions, shampoos, meds, my post op ATP spray which I needed to spray every hour and every 2 hours when sleeping for the first few days. Dr Cooley showed how it is to be done (very simple!) and he asks to put a cling film type thing on top immediately after to help with healing, keeping the grafts moist and for the spray not to evaporate. He calls it the ‘green house effect’. Once back at the hotel, I sprayed as instructed even through the night although not every hour, every two hours in fact. In terms of pain, I feel minimal pain around the strip. Out of ten, I would rate it a two/three. I’ve honestly taken a pain killer since the procedure and today is the day after. The strip area does feel numb which I fully expected and also expect this to subside over the coming weeks. Post-Op Day 1 As I said earlier I took a pain killer in the morning as I was expecting the pain to increase. However, after the pain killers had worn off I still felt the same, no increase at all. Since then I have had very slight plan on the left hand side of the strip. The rest of the donor area is still numb but pretty comfortable. I did notice minimal swelling above my eyes, nothing like what I have seen on the forums and defiantly nothing major. Dr Cooley advises to take two prednisone’s the following morning after the procedure which I did and the has gone down. As also mentioned above I’ve continued following Dr Cooley’s post op instructions in spraying the post op ATP spray every hour. I also got my hair washed at the clinic and what can I say, the work looks extremely clean. Just a few blood spots but generally it looks just how I expected the work to be. Amy who washed my hair even mentioned that she found it difficult find the scar as she needed to put some antibiotic cream on it. This was refreshing to hear! Dr Cooley came in after the hair wash and checked things over and he mentioned that all looked well and that it looks exactly how it should be. He also mentioned me as the ‘model’ patient as I barely moved in the surgical chair and also kept the whole team entertained (while I was awake of course!)!! I did ask how many grafts we managed to get and he advised that the final figure was 4108. I’ll get the break down later this week and will share. He also mentioned that he could get another strip of about 2000-3000 if needed and some FUE grafts after that (again if needed). Dr Cooley also recommends a Help Hair whey protein shake which I purchased and have started to take this as well. I just felt it cant do any harm. Any how the day has been pretty comfortable and very pain less. To summarise my experience so far, I’ve definitely had a great experience with Cooley and his team. They all work extremely hard and are very meticulous in everything they do. Cooley (and Brandy) is a perfectionist and wants everything to be 110% correct. I know the whole team has put in 110% effort so that I can achieve the desired result!! Dr Cooley and Brandy were by my side every time I would look up and I probably remember Cooley walking out for a short while but I am 110% confident that he was there and doing most of the work throughout the day!! It really does ease any anxieties when you know the lead doctor is there playing a pivotal part during the procedure and being so heavily involved! I’m on my iPad and will be receiving a CD with post / pre op photos which I will update later this week. I have some on my phone and again I will post later (just need to blank out the face). If anyone has any further questions, please feel free to ask here or PM me. Apologies for the long write up, I hope anyone considering Dr Cooley and his clinic finds this useful. If anyone is due for a procedure in the next forthcoming days with Cooley, I am staying at the hotel until Sunday and am more than happy to speak to anyone!
  12. Personally I would only use a doctor that does hair transplants full-time and does not offer other cosmetic surgeries. Dr. Arocha and Dr. Armani I believe only do hair transplants. Dr. Lam seems like a very nice guy and is passionate about his work but at the time I met him he had to fly in his one technician when he performed hair transplants. Experienced technicians are a very important part of having a successful hair transplant. For example look at the picture below showing the large staff/technicians that work at Hasson/Wong. For me the patient it was very comforting to see a staff that deep built for doing nothing but hair transplants.
  13. Hey there friends~ I wanted to say thanks to everyone here for providing such a positive forum. As I began searching for the best hair transplant surgeons in the country, this forum was invaluable to me finding Dr. Jerry Cooley in Charlotte, North Carolina, of Carolina Dermatology. So I'm paying it forward by sharing just a few words about my own amazing experience. I'll probably have some photos to share later, but for now just wanted to write a little. I visited four different surgeons across a span of six months, before eventually finding Dr. Cooley--again, this site was very helpful in doing so! When I discovered Dr. Cooley's office, I knew it was the one. From the very beginning, I was given the most thorough discussion of the procedure by Patient Coordinator Lollie, who was also more helpful to me than anyone before her in what else I could be doing in the meantime, including starting Nizoral and Teva (and the exact dosing so as to limit or not even cause side effects--of which I have had none since beginning 4 months ago). The entire process leading up to the surgery was smooth, seamless, and the utmost professional. Day of surgery: Everything was so completely peaceful and yes, painless. The staff, including Brandi, Stephanie, Amy, and others whose name I didn't catch, were all incredible. Dr. Cooley and I consulted a little before the surgery and agreed upon the final hairline restoration, and I always had complete faith in him and his process. I had never had any type of surgery before, so this was a big deviation from anything else in my life, but it was something I had wanted for a very long time, about 20 years honestly. I had just had very light recession beginning then and even up to now (wasn't on anything like finasteride or Nizoral whatsoever). I just knew that doing something surgically would overall improve how I look, feel. We began at about 7:30am and were finished by 5:30pm. It was honestly so easy (as a patient!). Incredibly relaxing environment, and again, amazing staff and doctor. I left that day knowing I had made such a monumentally great decision for myself. If anyone from Dr. Cooley's office is reading this, thank you from the big animal-lover. You are amazing!!! And so kind. And to everyone who helps maintain these forums and contributes to them, thank you for all of the invaluable information you help provide as well. Thanks for the uplifting, mature discussion, and thank you for recommending Dr. Cooley in so many posts. For anyone looking for an incredible patient experience and high quality work (and I can only imagine how thrilled I'll really be in about a year) I can now also add my recommendation to Dr. Jerry Cooley and his team.
  14. As a patient of Dr. Jerry Cooley...I would highly recommend him...not only a great surgeon but a hell of a nice guy too...He gave me a free PRP treatment after a misunderstanding....I hope to go get another in March when my 1yr mark rolls around, not a free one..lol...If dr. Cooley or his reps see this I.m the old 65 yr old you operated on in late March 2018
  15. I've narrowed my search down to Hattingen and Dr. Rahal. Had a consult with Hasson & Wong, that didn't go too great. Nothing to do with my expectations or theirs (my expectations were actually quite modest as compared to theirs to be honest) but felt it just isn't the place for me. Consulting with Rahal and Hattingen later this week. One thing about Rahal is you can find loads of first hand patient accounts. Since Hattingen is located in Europe, it is really hard to find any person that has gone to them and shared their experience. Anyone know of anyone, even if there has been forums outside of the HTN that have patient experiences with Hattingen?
  16. Hey guys , so my surgery date for 2000 FUE grafts supposed to be on 11-19-2018.. I had 5 buisiness days prior to surgery to make full payment .. I have the whole money in my bank account , but had lost my debit card the week prior .. so they wanted me to use PayPal so I signed up for it but I had to wait for my confirm with PayPal before I can pay .. so the office manager told me I had until 3pm yesterday to make payment .. even though I told i be able to do it tomorrow.. she still cancel on me and reschedule me for the next earliest date October 28th 2019 for FUT or FUE.. I’m kinda upset about it . Since my PayPal account is active now I’m able to pay .. so I’m a day late n they still canceled .. but kinda glad cuz I rather do FUT to save money .. and it’s wiser to do fut ur first transplant .. I told them I want to be on their cancellation list for upcoming cancels .. but right now , I feel like going to giving Hasson n Wong a consult .. diep clinic can steal my $1000 deposit .. I’m not waiting a whole year , I’m not crazy about their FUT , I like his hairlines though .. but their office is not very customer friendly .. .. so is Hasson n wong prices on their website Canadian dollars? I think I might go to them if their schedule is open .
  17. I'm new to the forum and haven't read every post but wanted to get something out there about my experience, which I think will be unique to other posts. First, the reason I've decided to post at this time is that I went to Dr. Jerry Cooley in Charlotte NC, Monday 11/12/18 for a hairline extraction with the extracted hair being transplanted to the top of my head. Today is 11/15/18, the 4th day since my procedure, and I am happy with the results and have a lot of praise for Dr. Cooley and his staff. I have found there is more to this than just transplanting the hair. Dr. Cooley uses various methods to ensure maximum graft survival such as PRP + ACell and other "after procedure" protocols that I have not experienced. To complete my hair transplant plan, I will wait a few months and go back to Dr. Cooley to have my hairline refined using the FUT method from the sides of my head. I am sure a lot of you have questions about the procedure I had done and why I'm having an FUT instead of FUE for my next procedure. To explain further, let me give you a little history of how and why I got to where I am today. In the late 1980s I had developed a receding hairline and for the first time, I saw some newspaper advertisements for hair transplants. Remember, the internet wasn't around at that time so there were no pictures to see or patients to discuss this with. Convinced that everything would be okay, I contacted the surgeon and scheduled a "consultation", which really turned out to be just me scheduling my appointments (yes, that is plural with an "s"). I scheduled 4 appointments, 3 months apart, where numerous rather large plugs would be taken from the back of my head to create a new hairline. I underwent 3 of these procedures until I finally had enough. Every time new hair started to grow, I had to go back for more work, not to mention the combover hairstyle I had to use to cover everything up. I didn't want anyone to know what I was doing but I think they knew anyway. Fortunately for me, what I had done eventually grew in and with my existing hair, I was able to wear a fairly long natural looking Beatles type hairstyle for about 30 years. Even with that, I was always conscious of my "plugged" hairline and never let anyone touch it. And I always turned away when the wind blew in my face. Unfortunately, as I got older, my hairline kept retreating, and the hair on top of my head gradually got thinner. To help with the thinning, I got a prescription for Rogaine, which was required when I started. Later, I just bought minoxidil over the counter much cheaper. I also got a fill in procedure from another doctor 3 to 4 years ago that didn't go as wall as anticipated. That's all I have for not but if enough of you show interest, I will continue with more details about my 30 year hair transplant history and my current experience with Dr. Cooley in future posts.
  18. I agree 100% that FUE is not scarless. Though you can minimize visible scarring, that's key. The simplest route to achieve this is punch size. Keep in mind that if the doctor is using a 1 mm punch, the actual size of the punch depends on the thickness of the metal. Depending on the manufacturer, it can be 1.2 to 1.5 mm. In the wrong hands even 1000 grafts can destroy your donor area. I seen it many many times unfortunately. The problem we're dealing with here is donor management or lack of donor management. It's a technique used by very few North American doctors. I commend any Dr. willing to learn FUE- and as with anything in life they will only get better in time. The problem is at the last FUE conference, I only noted 3 doctors from North America… Dr. Rahal, Dr. Wong, Dr. Shapiro. That says something. It was at this conference where they talked about the stuff, share tips of the trade. Here's a quick explanation of donor management… Donor management - a strategy to maximize your donor area, both in the number of grafts you can safely harvest for transplantation and visually, allowing you to wear your hair short and get the most amount of grafts possible... Tactic #1: Using calculations, you are able to predict how many grafts you can safely harvest from the safe zone. Not only in one session but over multiple. Punch size is a factor here. Smaller punch means more grafts and less visible scarring Tactic #2: partial transection to avoid this kind of stuff-scarring, patchy, moth-eaten look. If it's a 3 hair, you will strategically harvest 2 and leave 1 hair behind. For it to work you need 8x magnification and .8 punch size and under. The magnification alone is 10k. So not many want to make the investment. Tactic #3: punch type, sharp, dull, etc. motorized vs. manual - each has its place, depending on your skin type. FUE experts are masters at each, and prior to each procedure actually test each. What they are looking for is the technique with the lowest transection and highest graft quality. Note: smaller is still better You also need a high level of skill to pull this off, why I am so against the robot. In the hands of an amateur hair transplant Dr. you can do more harm with FUE to a guys donor area than any other procedure. Bottom line, if you are using a 1 mm punch, the robot you're not practicing donor management. Donor management is a highly advanced strategy and means a massive investment both in staff and equipment. But it's also what separates the amateurs from the professionals. Please refer to this example photo… This is just a quick explanation… There's much more to it. But in the example I applied tactic #2, with just 12 single hairs. And you can notice a visible difference in the donor area. I do commend Dr. Diep. I'm seeing some good results from him. And I encourage him to continue learning the craft and to learn about and master donor management. It would be super helpful if he would jump in and let us know about his technique, punch size, tools of the trade. I always encourage an open and honest debate. That's what makes this forum great.
  19. I’ve had three hair transplants and two with Dr. Diep, I’ve visited Dr. Gabel, Dr. Mohebi, Dr. Konoir, Dr. Umar and Dr. Wong all of them in person and none of them told me my donor was damaged after having three hair transplants mind you. In fact, I’ve been told I have at least another 1,000-1,500 grafts left which would put me around the 7,000 range. I understand you decided to withdraw Dr. Diep from your selection which is totally fine, but these statements simply aren’t true. I’ve heard every argument and counter argument in the book. I’m well aware that several posters claim 1mm punches damage surrounding follicular units. However, a smaller punch transects more follicular units. At the end of the day it is up to the skill of the surgeon. If the surgeon is careless they can damage the donor of a patient regardless of the punch size or tool. With that said, Dr. Rahal is a fine surgeon and I really have no problem with you saying hes better than diep if that’s how you feel, but making claims such as going with Diep compromises future procedures simply isn’t true. @jkm3 had two procedures with Dr. Diep close to 5,000 grafts @spyk777 had several procedures I believe three with Dr. Diep via FUE @E39 had two procedures with Dr. Diep around 4,000 grafts
  20. I can definitely relate to this story. Dr. Soni is a conman. His only interest is in making money. He's an unethical piece of shit. He pressured me into lowering my hairline where every other doctor would strongly advise against it. The only reason he did this is so he would make more money from me. I had only gone to him thinking I will fill in my existing hairline to get some more density. I was thinking at most 1200 grafts would be needed. This is what we had discussed over the emails and over the phone. Then I booked a reservation with him for the actual surgery and paid $500 non-refundable for the booking. When I arrived in his office, he had a 30-40 minute argument with me pressuring me to let him lower the hairline and make a V-shape hairline. I told him NO, I need to save my grafts for future hairloss because I'm only 29. He said I have enough grafts and I will be fine in the future. (LIE). I told him I don't get good growth because I have done transplants before and the yield wasn't very great. He said he's much better than western doctors because he does 3-5 transplants a day and has been doing it for years whereas western doctors only do maybe 1 transplant a day. He said I will look very handsome if I get the V-shape hairline because the face has to be proportional and some other bullshit. I told him I don't want it because I also don't have money for it. I only came with a budget of 1200. He said "Come On. You are from canada. People come from abroad and get 5000 grafts easily." He said "Your ticket itself costs $1200. Don't you have any relatives here you can ask for money?" Man i was pissed and wanted to leave, but I had to get the transplant done at that time because I had taken a long vacation from work and could only fit in the transplant during my vacation because I couldn't go to work right after transplant. If not that year, then I would have to wait another year and I planned on getting married next year. So I really wanted to do it. Also I thought maybe he's right because He's recommended on this site and people gave good reviews here. I thought maybe he's just greedy but he'll do a good job and I'll actually look good. I thought he does have tons of experience and has videos of small time celebrities coming to him for transplant. All this made me question myself and trust this son of a bitch. I didn't want to upset him by refusing to let him do what he strongly wants and then he fucks up my surgery because he's pissed. So i made the worst decision of my life. Which cost me $8000. 2600 priceless grafts which will never come back. And a botched hairline. He actually made the hairline worse than before. It seems like the previous hairline has gotten thinner because he must have transected the previous hair roots. Now I have a much lower hairline which is very thin and looks substantially worse than before. What's more is that 10% of the hair that grew only grew to 1cm length which makes no sense. They just don't get any longer. I've never seen that before. That never happened with 3 transplants with Dr. Wong. Either the hair grew or didn't, but not halfway where they grew to 1cm and then stopped growing. Thinking about it pisses me off so much how I let him dupe me and not standing up for myself when I was right. We need to start a petition to ban this fraud from this site before he ruins more lives.
  21. Patient in his late 20’s from Saskatchewan. Dr. Wong and team transplanted 2516 grafts via FUE to rebuild a new hairline, add density to the frontal zone and parts of mid scalp. 262 were single hair grafts, 1946 were doubles and 308 were 3 hair grafts. Considering only 6 months post-op, the transformation is still impressive with increased thickening to come.
  22. I wouldn't throw good money after bad, if Dr. Wong isn't great at FUE and doesn't use smaller graft punches. We've all seen what larger graft punches can do to a donor site. I'd definitely consult him, thoroughly research his FUE results, but keep your options open and talk to a few other surgeons who excel at FUE. Nothing you can do about the most recent procedure now, so you shouldn't be in a hurry to rush into something that isn't the absolutely best option for you at this point.
  23. Ya I thought the results with Dr. Wong were okay just needed a little density which is what I gone to get filled a little more. I was only thinking of getting maybe 800-1000 grafts more to fill the previous hairline. But I'm such an idiot for letting Dr. Suneet convince me to lower the hairline. Probably the worst decision of my life ever. Lost $8000, 1 year of sanity, and a good hairline. Anyways I also think harvesting from the new 'hairline' is the best option. I don't know if it will scar my forhead though where the extraction occurs. I will go to Dr. Wong to get a consulation. I'm not sure how good they are at doing FUE since they just started doing it recently. But I have no other option now because he's the closest one and doesn't require a flight and a stay in a hotel for me to do it. The most convenient option and least time consuming. Hopefully they are good at FUE as well and can harvest the hair without leaving big visible marks.
  24. Dr. Jerry Wong shares a story of a real patient and how surgical hair restoration changed his life.
  25. I dont know if there is scar tissue underneath or not. I cant see it. Dr. Wong would've told me if there was something wrong physiologically. I'm not the doctor. And i haven't worn a turban since 17 years old so that has nothing to do with the growth.
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