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  1. Hello All- so I started researching hair transplants almost 4 years ago. At that time, it seemed that Dr. Rahal came up as the best for FUT and in general. 3 years ago I put down a $1500 deposit for Dr.Rahal but due to somethings, I was not able to have the surgery. Now, after those 4 years, based on my research it seems Dr. Hasson is the best. I am really focused on getting a dense hairline and at first that was my reasoning to go with the “King of Hairlines.” But I am now very torn! Do I go back to Dr.Rahal or just forget about the deposit and choose Hasson. Am I being crazy or had Dr. Hasson really jumped over Dr. Rahal. Please help me decide!
  2. Thank you all for your great insights! The reason I am preferring a FUT is because the extent of what I think my hair loss will be. My father is a norwood 6 and I am pretty sure I am going to be that. Yeah am already at a 3, approaching 4. Thus, based on my research, I wanted to do FUT for my first one so not disprupt my donor area as much as possible to have enough in the “tank” for a future procedure. I don’t think I can get my deposit back as Rahals reps said they are phasing out FUT but still offer it for people that had previous quotes. I wont lie, I was a bit turned off by the fact that the clinic was going this way and im now more inclined to Dr. Hasson as I know even in the future I would have the 2 options to chooses from. Also just based on what I am reading on the site, it seems H&W is just more consistent and overall a better doc than rahal. I don’t mind loosing my $1500 deposit as this is a life time and permanent decision and much more leaning towards Hasson. Who knows, maybe they will offer to cover the cost of my deposit to go with them over rahal :)
  3. @enigmatic936 I had fue with rahal and very happy. instead of comparing h&w to rahal, compare "dr. rahal" to "dr hasson" to "dr wong." a lot people lump h&w together. they are very different docs. each doctor specializes in different things. though overall h& w and rahal are very consistent and ranked among the best in the world. if someone says diff, guaranteed they are shill. most likely spamming for a turkish doc. -wong is known for density, coverage, crowns. -hasson is known for hairlines -rahal is know for hairlines for hairlines, both rahal and wong have different styles. rahal has more experience in fue and results. but wong, hasson stand by their patients. so might not be a concern. what are you looking to achieve? tell me what type of hairline you like, maybe some photos and I can give some advice.
  4. 3 time Rahal FUE patient here (2014 frontal zone, 2015 vertex, 2017 crown) - very satisfied with my results, Dr. Rahal and team are amazing from start to finish - Dr. Wong was at the top of my list as well, actually had a consultation and recommendation from Joe Tillman when he was still working for H&W at the time - I'm sure I would have been just as satisfied with H&W however they were not doing FUE at that time
  5. Hello Everyone, Background: In 2008 when I was 25 years old, I had my first hair transplant with Dr. Rahal in which I had 3425 grafts implated to rebuid the front hairline by FUT but since then I haven`t taken any finasteride (due to side effects) so I lost all the hair in my midscalp and crown. I knew my donor area was limited to around 2000 grafts so I realized that in order to achieve a decent level of density I would have to compensate with beard grafts. Research: I started looking for an affordable Doctor that was performing the entire surgery himself and achieving great results with high amounts of beard grafts, so that ruled out Dr. Rahal. After months of research I found out that there was only one Doctor in the world that matched my requirements and was charging less than 2,5€ per beard graft, Dr. Kaan Pekiner. Dr. Kaan does all manual FUE with stick & place technique which is more time consuming than motorized FUE but he says it allows him to have a better feel while extracting and better control of the angle of each graft while implanting. So, I spoke with his patient advisor, Alex by whatsapp and booked my 3 day surgery from the 26 to the 28th of December (yes they work on weekends). New Luxury Clinic Opened 23/12/2019 Now how lucky was I to have found out that just last week Dr. Kaan Pekiner moved his practice to a brand new luxury clinic and I would be one of the first patients to have a surgery here. I recorded a walkthrough video to show you guys the new clinic and had Alex (Patient Advisor) upload it so my name doesn`t show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhAnFb5XfNY Because Dr. Kaan Pekiner only does surgery on 1 patient per day I had a private clinic just for myself that also included my own cook to provide meals during the day 😊 Hotel Atakosk Hotel is a 5 Star Hotel just across the street from the clinic. The Clinic has a special price of 45€/night with Breakfast and the room service dinner cost me between 6€ to 9€, super cheap! The roundtrip airport transfer are organized by the clinic and included in the price of the surgery so I brought 0 Turkish Liras with me. On checkout I paid the Hotel and all the room service meals with my Revolut card so I wouldn’t pay any credit card taxes. Surgery: My first day started at 08.30h with a photoshoot followed by mapping out the implating area and then a discussion about the surgery with Dr. Kaan. Dr. Kaan calculated I had a area of 140cm2 of mildscalp and crown to fill in but he would only manage to extract around 2000 grafts from the head and was unsure about the number of beard grafts he would be able to extract (maybe 1000-1500) so he gave me a tuff choice: 1. Achieve a nice density of around 30-40cm2 by implanting only to the mildscalp and upper crown leaving my lower crown empty for the rest of my life. 2. Implanting the whole 140cm2 open area and risking getting less than 20cm2 density if the beard donor fails to provide a high number of grafts. I went with option 2 and I am so happy I did so 😊 Here is my surgery timetable · 08.30h Graft Extraction · 10.30h 15m Break · 10.45h Graft Implatation · 12.45h 1 hour Lunch · 13.45h Graft Extraction · 15.30h 15m Break · 15.45h Graft Implatation · 17.45h: End of Day As predicted by Dr. Kaan he did only managed to extract 2000 head grafts because he only wanted to use thick graft and I could actually feel him searching my head for the best grafts to extract. “thin grafts would make no point in the crown” he said. I could also feel him arranging the angle of each graft in my crown while he was rebuilding my crown vertex, that attention to detail was like nothing I have ever seen and I thanked him repeatedly for it! On day 2 Dr. Kaan also took a sample of 109 grafts from my beard at the end of the day to test my beard donor area and he realized that my beard was actually much better than he expected. On the 3rd day the whole team spent 10 hours around my beard to extract a whopping 1888 beard grafts thus provinding me with almost 30cm2 density all around. I couldn`t believe it when Dr. Kaan told me the graft count, we were both so happy that I was getting a better than expected density (even though it’s not a lot and I am hoping I will be happy with the results). Also, I had 80 grafts (singles and doubles) implanted into to my right temple because after shaving it was easy to see I had a small gap in the front. Post-Op Today I met with Dr. Kaan to remove my bandages (yes he came to see me in person on a Sunday morning, amazing!). It`s also really great he speaks fluent English because if he didn`t it would have been a deal breaker for me. So my surgery finished yesterday and so far I have had absolutely no swelling whatsoever. Dr. Kaan used a 0.9mm punch for my scalp donor area and a 0.6mm punch for my beard donor area. A shout out to Dr. Kaan`s amazing team: Fatmanur, Irem, Volkan and Saide, they were by my side the whole day assisting Dr. Kaan and making sure everything went smoothly. Conclusion After having had FUT with Dr. Rahal in 2008 and now FUE + BHT with Dr. Kaan Pekiner, in my humble opinion Dr. Kaan is truly one of the best in the world as I found no other Doctor at his price point offering his total devotion to just one patient per day in order to reach the best possible outcome using both the donor area from the scalp and beard. Please check my pictures and let me know what you think. Request to the forum Administration: Dear Hair Restoration Network Administrators @Melvin-Moderator you guys would be doing a huge service to other patients like myself by including Dr. Kaan in your current list of just 2 reccomend Turkish Doctors (neither of which matched any of my requirements). I promise that if you come meet Dr. Kaan to see this new clinic, staff and technique you will confirm that he has truly raised the bar on the “Gold Standard Hair Transplant”. Thank you
  6. This is the hairline drawing that Dr. Rahal suggested. Was a quick one just to get an idea. I think the forelock area could come down a wee bit from what's drawn here. I'd be okay with the temples curving in more along the current receded line on the left side of the pic. I'm lucky in that the temporal points haven't receded or thinned but my temples themselves are receded and my forelock is thin so quite a lot of density will need to be transplanted.
  7. I've noticed that each clinic takes their own path with options and this was a recent change for Dr. Rahal's clinic. I spoke with both James and Dr. Rahal directly about it and he said with the graft success rate he's having with FUE, the demand for FUT was so low last year that the clinic was only doing it in specialized situations like male patients who had already done FUT before and were on a second surgery or female patients who didn't want to shave the back of their heads for FUE and obviously have longer hair and no chance of the strip scar being visible. For what it's worth I didn't feel like I was being pushed at all and I can understand a clinic choosing to specialize in a type of surgery based on changing demand from patients and innovations and improvements in FUE results.
  8. I had my meetings today with James from Hasson & Wong clinic, and Chris from Rahal Clinic (briefly met with Dr. Rahal too which was nice and unexpected). Both of the reps were great, thorough and informative. They both gave me a good sense of the clinic's approaches to surgeries and they both took my priorities into account and gave me a realistic idea of my options. Both clinics have done a good job choosing their reps! Now I need to start making decisions. Besides choosing a surgeon I also need to make the choice between FUT and FUE. Here's what I learned today: 1. My donor area is not terrific but also not bad. I have approx 6,000 to 7,000 available grafts 2. I have enough scalp elasticity for FUT 3. According to James I have retrograde allopecia above my ears. This was news to me and I've started reading up about it. I get my haircut every two weeks, in a fade style and always have very short back and sides so I am used to seeing a lot of scalp in this area and hadn't noticed what James was pointing out before. Interested to hear if others agree with this assessment, and what I can do about it (should I apply rogaine here? dermaroll the area?) 4. Hairs on the lower nape of the neck are not advised for FUE extraction because the lack of density makes the punch scars more obvious (makes sense but I have a lot of growth on my lower neck and have to shave there every few days so I was hoping to get these moved topside) Recommendation from Hasson & Wong An approx 4,000 graft FUT session to fill in the temples and bring my hairline down slightly and build through the mid scalp while leaving the crown untouched. This should leave ~1,500 or more grafts for a future surgery to fill in progressive loss of native hair in the front to mid scalp or if I've truly stabilized on my meds then to work on the crown. FUE is also available at a higher cost per graft but James advised FUT first to maximize future donor availability for a second surgery down the road. Recommendation from Rahal An approx 3,200 graft FUE session with similar objective as above, leaving the crown untouched. I learned today that since January of this year, Dr. Rahal is an FUE only clinic. The clinic also offers Scalp Micro Pigmentation (SMP) and Platelet Rich Plasma (PRP) which James recommended also. SMP at approx 4 months after the hair surgery to the crown and mid scalp to minimize the scalp contrast showing through the thinner areas. The SMP client before and after pics of patients looked really good. Four PRP sessions were recommended to help with scalp health while the transplanted hairs are taking hold. My thinking so far I don't want to make the FUT vs. FUE decision based on recovery time or the embarrassment of showing up to work with visible staples or scabs or scars in my donor area. It will only be a temporary phase and I can take two weeks off after the surgery for the worst of it either way. What I need to decide is whether I'm okay with the strip scar and the tighter scalp skin afterwards or if I'm willing to lose out on possible grafts through FUE but avoiding the scar and tighter scalp. I also have to pick a surgeon and if I decide on FUT then based on what I heard from Dr. Rahal today he's not an option for that. I'm going to take a few days to decide. Obviously money is a factor but I've been convinced by reading through the advice in these forums to put a high value on being happy with the result and thinking ahead for my previous donor area. I've attached the photos that Chris took today, my hair was a bit wetter than my first set of photos and gives a better idea of the areas that are thinnest.
  9. @Melvin-Moderator like I said I also got a discount from Rahal and his rep also asked me post my results without any signed commitment from my part (he just asked me to do so if possible). Dr. Pekiner patient representative did the same he just asked for me to post my results at the Italian forum but under no contractual obligation to do so nor any incentive to post updates. Therefore, I don`t see how this could undermine HRN as I can chose not to post any results or even delete my thread without any consequence other than depriving other HRN members from seeing results from Dr. Pekiner. I must correct myself because I was the one that told the patient rep I was going to post at HRN and other forums (Spanish, Turkish, French) because he just cared about the Italian forum. I was already going to post my results at HRN to show if the Dr. Pekiner did a good or bad job with me so I have to ask this question, did I have to refuse the discount in order to be able to post my results in the forums? If so, I have to say that makes no sense because we all want to pay less for our surgery and all HRN member want to share their journey with the community.
  10. @Melvin-Moderator Everyone that asks for a discount to Dr. Pekiner like probably get a discount and the patient representative will in return ask the patients to please post and update their results on the Italian forum (without any obligation). I had 2 close friends that also got this discount and they didn’t post on the Italian forum or any other forum (they still got the discount)! Neither myself or my 2 close friends signed any contract stating we have to post our results in order to get the discount as this is just something the rep asked because according to them, they want the world to see how good is the Doctor. I asked @Guano several times to post his results at HRN out of my own curiosity and now that he finally decided to post his results out of his own free will HRN has censored them... Dr. Rahal also gave me a discount in 2008 and his patient rep also asked me (under no obligation) if I could post my results and I’m pretty sure he asked this regularly to patients. So, will you also be censoring Rahal’s patients since 2008 until today? To my knowledge, no patient of Dr. Pekiner is being paid to post and update their results so for me it’s clear that HRN deleting patients that freely decide to post their results without being paid to do so should be considered censoring, something that until today was not allowed at HRN! Also, It seems like there a lot of animosity towards anything written by Dr. Pekiner’s representative which has escalated to HRN basically censoring all of Pekiner patients. As a patient of Dr. Pekiner I must ask HRN not penalize Dr. Pekiner and his patients due to the arrogant tone sometimes used by his rep because this is a world class Doctor getting amazing results and HRN members have the right to see results from real patients posting out of their own free will.
  11. I have been doing surgeon research on-off for the past couple of years and have decided now is the time to pull the trigger. After looking through loads of reviews and posts i have narrowed it down to these prospective surgeons: Dr.Bisanga Dr.Feriduni Dr.Keser Dr.Rahal I am now in the process of booking an online consultation with these 4 surgeons, however i am actually unsure of what i should ask them? I feel like I have done so much research that I know for a fact that all these surgeons are the real deal, and consistently produce amazing results, so im not sure what to really ask... Still though, i would like to be as thorough as possible, so what are some of the important questions to ask when choosing a surgeon and what are the "good answers".. For example, i know it is normalt that techs do some parts of the operation, but which part is most important that the surgeon does? And so on, I would be immensely grateful if someone could provide me with a checklist of questions that would be good to ask a surgeon, or link me to another post explaining this. I know if have seen several posts about this but for the love of god i cannot find them again. Also, have anyone recently been in touch with any of these surgeons and know how long the waitlist is? i originally included Dr.Feritas as well but his waitlist was simply too long Kind regards!
  12. Hey everyone, I'm about two days out from my ~2300 graft FUT procedure with Dr. Konior. As often happens with Konior, he initially quoted me 1500 grafts but wound up going all the way up to 2300 to pack everything in more densely. It was one of the smoothest and most painless medical experiences of my life, and the whole thing took about 12 hours. I'd take a hair transplant over getting cavities filled at the dentist any day. I'd like to start by thanking the past Konior patients who have documented their procedures so thoroughly. Spanker, Reyes1, SamSpade, and the various Matts (among others) posted incredibly detailed threads that helped make my choice of surgeon very easy. I hope that I can continue in their tradition with another well documented write-up. Pre Surgery I was 28 and probably a NW2.5 or 3 prior to this surgery, and my main goal was to restore my receded hairline and fill in the temples. I've been on finasteride and minoxidil for several years and they've definitely slowed things down, but there are a few spots that have slowly continued to thin (including in back...but it looks worse in one of the below photos than it really is). I plan to continue both meds for the rest of my life, and will likely have additional "tune up" surgeries down the line to maintain what I have. Dr. Konior actually suggested a low dose pill version of minoxidil for those who find the application of Rogaine to be tedious (I only apply the foam once per night because it's such a pain in the ass). I spent months reading about hair transplants and researching doctors until I finally narrowed it down to Konior, Rahal, and Hasson (I had already decided to stay within North America). There's no question that all three are hairline masters, but there were a few things that stood out about Konior that steered me in his direction: 1. His relative conservatism and focus on long term strategy would be a great check on my own desire to be as aggressive as possible. 2. If you look at his cases, it's pretty clear that he is often able to do with 1500 grafts what most surgeons need 2500 or even 3000 grafts to achieve. Konior's ability to make every graft count really speaks to his artistry and perfectionism, which is of course another big advantage for young patients like me who need to use every single graft very judiciously. 3. He performs one surgery a day and as others have pointed out, does virtually the entire surgery himself -- donor extraction, lateral slit incisions, and graft placement. I do think one or two of his techs placed some of the grafts, but he supervised them meticulously and I overheard him tweaking anything that didn't look perfect. This isn't to say that technician-heavy clinics are inherently flawed -- many techs at other clinics have years of experience and are truly skilled workers -- but ultimately, I felt that a tech-heavy approach would add another level of risk that I'd prefer to do without. 4. Konior's year long wait list and relatively high price speak volumes, especially since he does minimal marketing and is pretty selective when taking on new patients. These things may seem like "cons" at first glance, but over time I came to see them as major "pros." A hair transplant is something that will affect your appearance for the rest of your life, and I knew that 10, 20, or 30 years from now I'd care a lot more about having picked the right hairline than saving a few thousand dollars. More often than not, you get what you pay for -- and plastic surgery is not an industry where you want to look for a bargain. 5. Konior's immediate post op photos have a really clean and distinctive look, with very little blood compared to most other surgeons' graft zones after surgery. I've always found it very satisfying to look at his post op photos and notice the precision of the graft angles and placement. The Surgery One thing that isn't often discussed on here is the feeling of oh shit that kicks in as your surgery date approaches. As soon as I realized my surgery was a month away, the reality of the situation hit me hard: was I seriously about to fly to Chicago and undergo surgery just to give myself better hair? Eventually the excitement started to outweigh the fear, but it was for sure an emotional rollercoaster until I finally arrived at Konior's office at 6:30 AM. Once I checked in with the doctor's staff, I finished my paperwork and wrote down my lunch order. Everyone was very kind and conscientious, and at around 7 the doctor came in to discuss the surgical plan. As Dr. Konior and I settled into our initial conversation, I immediately felt my anxiety begin to fade. He really took his time to discuss his hair loss philosophy, crack a few jokes, and field a few questions that I had. He seemed totally relaxed and in no hurry to push things along, and by the time we moved on to drawing the hairline I felt totally at ease. Helping a patient feel comfortable during that first meeting is a genuine, underrated skill and it really helped to set the tone for the entire day. He then had me draw my version of a hairline -- I wanted it lowered just a bit with my temples filled in, and I asked him to pack it as "densely as he thought would be ethical". Konior took one look at the hairline I drew and said something like, "yep, I know what you want" as though he'd seen it a million times before. He then spent about 45 minutes drawing his own version of the hairline, erasing and re-drawing parts of it over and over again until he thought it was perfect. He took pictures from several different angles while doing so, and every now and then he'd pause to stare at my hairline the way a painter looks at his work while trying to get those last brush strokes just right. It was easy to see how Konior's artistry and surgical precision are a super effective combination. When the doctor handed me a mirror to look at his proposed hairline, I was ecstatic (the hairline he drew is visible in the pics I've attached). I had worried that he'd push for something more conservative, but what he drew turned out to be pretty much exactly what I'd hoped for. So I basically told him I wouldn't change a thing and the process continued. I felt even more relief when I learned that he would only have to shave a small portion of my existing hair to create the new hairline. I've seen a lot of Konior cases where patients went for the full shave, and I really hoped I wouldn't have to go down that route and thus experience a much longer "ugly duckling" phase. When he wound up just shaving a few useless miniaturized hairs in front, I felt pretty confident that in another week or two I'd be able to cover up the work without wearing a hat. As someone who wanted to get back to work and my social life as soon as possible, this was a HUGE weight off my shoulders. With my last major fear assuaged, I was genuinely excited to get started. They gave me some valium and had me lay face down while the doctor got ready to remove the strip. I have a pretty low pain tolerance and a very strong fear of needles, but I have to say that the numbing shots were the least painful shots I have ever experienced. They used some sort of vibrating device on my skin next to the injections, which made the actual shots feel like nothing. I barely noticed when the strip actually came out, and then they gave me a bathroom break and got ready to start the incisions. I was given more valium throughout the day and for the most part I felt restful but awake. I dozed off a couple times and woke back up mid-snore, but for the most part I just chilled out and focused on staying perfectly still while Konior and his techs did their thing. Occasionally I'd feel some soreness in back and they'd have to re-numb me -- the re-numbing shots were actually a little more painful, but that's probably because I waited too long to ask for them (the doctor was really in the zone so I was hesitant to interrupt). As mentioned earlier, he did have two techs present during graft placement but I'm pretty sure he placed most of them himself while the techs would pass him the grafts that had been dissected. It definitely sounded like he placed the most important grafts himself, such as the 1s along the hairline. At around 6:30 PM, the surgery was finally complete. Konior and his team put in roughly a 12 hour day in total: 2 hours of conversation and planning the hairline, followed by 10 hours of performing the surgery itself. Compared to what I was expecting, the entire day felt like a series of best case scenarios -- I got exactly the hairline I wanted, felt close to no pain whatsoever, and was able to keep enough existing hair to (hopefully) cover up the procedure after another week or two. Konior's staff was nice enough to give me a ride to the Comfort Suites that evening, which I really appreciated because I was not looking forward to interacting with strangers in my post surgical state. In fact, I didn't end up having to interact with anyone -- the Comfort Suites have a back entrance you can open with your room key, and my room was right next to the back door. So yet another small anxiety was eliminated. I don't think I could have asked for a better experience. Immediate post op pics are below (I circled a small mole in the final pic for added perspective):
  13. Ok so I got a little deeper, in my journey to HT, and have some considerations I would like to have your opinions for. My first thread is (you dont have to read): My goal is reconstructing the hairline. Feriduni suggested 2000-2600 grafts, and Dr.Hasson suggested 1500-2000 both from online estimation. So I have few questions: 1. I wonder why is the difference? I made clear for both that I want to focus on good density, and even lower a bit the hairline. I said I have no problem to go for FUT, so it means I can get more from the donor and still save for long run. How do I know if Hasson suggested lower number to be conservative on the donor or because it's the maximum density he thinks possible to pack in this area? Can I just tell that I was thinking for higher number? 2. I got estimation from both, but they are not the final list. I actually have hard time to decide basically between 'saving for long term' and 'have the best hairline'. Because my 2 top docs for kickass hairlines, according to my research are Dr.De Freitas and Dr.Pekiner, but they both do only FUE, and while I can go for FUE since my hairloss isnt too advanced (Im 30 now), I dont really know how much it will progress, so I think going for FUT will be smart for long term. Portugal suggested Dr.Rahal but I ruled him out due to bad cases of him that I encountered. If you have more suggestion for FUT doctors that have great hairlines I would be happy to hear. 3. Would you go to have a procedure with Doctor you didnt have consultation before (online or fronal)? It is problem for me to fly to Canada for consultation, and Dr.Hasson doesnt offer video call. I wonder if it's smart to just set up appointment with him like that. 4. Which brings me to this question - isnt it weird that Dr.Hasson dont require live consultation for FUT? I have been told here that scalp laxity should be verified by the doctor before going with FUT, what if I will get there at the operation day and he will find out Im not candidate for FUT? Thanks guys!
  14. @kmgrafix doctors will most likely advise you to start taking finasteride to strengthen your donor area. With a weak donor area you could be a better candidate for FUT so I would advise you to ask for a FUT diagnosis to Dr. Feriduni, Hasson&Wong and Dr. Rahal. After my first HT with Dr. Rahal I was left with very little donor area so for my second HT I looked for FUE Doctors that were doing the entire surgery with low graft amounts per day, using stick&place or DHI for implantation and achieving great results using beard grafts. The best use of beard grafts I saw came from Dr. Pekiner (2,15€/graft) and HLC (2,7€/graft). Then I found out about Dr. Bruno Ferreira who is the medical assistant of Dr. Lorenzo in Madrid. He has his own clinic in Porto where he charges 2.5€/graft. Even though there was almost no patiens posting reports I knew Dr. Bruno had to be great if he was working with Lorenzo but he is using beard grafts more conservatively than Dr. Pekiner. If you don`t want to use beard grafts to increase density then you will have more options like Dr. Konior (8US/graft), Dr. Keser (3.5€/graft ) known for using smaller amounts of grafts to achieve great results or the spanish Kings Dr. Couto, Dr. De Freitas, Dr. Lorenzo (I believe they all charge 5€/graft and Lorenzo also uses beard conservatively like Dr.Bruno). Looking forward to hearing about the diagnosis the Doctors give you.
  15. You've two elite surgeons there........but I'd hop on plane to Hasson...........nobody dense packs like Dr.Hasson does the closest out there to one and done........if you've got descent donor and are not trying to be too aggressive with hairline i think a big case FUT(5,000+) that Dr.Hasson is famous for would really cover hairline, midscalp and slightly into crown Likewise if leaning towards FUT he gets, along with Konior, the thinnest scars in the business...blade 3 territory.....while H&W now has become 5 star FUE clinic too if you go down that road now or later. Rahal is great too - but consistency, track record and recent patient reported "home runs" on this forum point towards Hasson still operating at an Elite+ level ahead of Rahal.....havent seen a bunch slam dunks from Rahal recently as used to be the case
  16. @hp2012 if you are not on finasteride then you are likely to evolve into NW6 or most likely NW7. You are just 26 around the same age as me when I had my first HT and you can see that I went from NW3 at 25 years old to NW7 at 36 because I wasn’t on finasteride (nor will I ever be). My advise is for you to have a surgery at HLC with at least 3500 grafts to rebuild your frontal hairline including the native hairs area in the front that you are likely to be loosing very soon anyway and then wait 8-10 years to rebuild the crown after you hairloss has evolved. You can see my pictures showing that this is exactly what Dr. Rahal did for me when I was 25.
  17. In my honest opinion, you are probably better off going strip first, which would eliminate Turkey. I would consider Dr. Rahal, Hasson and Wong, Dr. Gabel, Dr. Cooley, Dr. Glenn Charles, Dr. Bloxham, True and Dorin and Dr. Carlos Wesley. You're better off maximizing grafts with FUT and then finishing off with FUE.
  18. @karatekid if you have already had FUE then they probably already removed grafts from the area where the FUT strip would be removed. You will not be a candidate for FUT. I can tell you that Rahal is considered the King of hairlines but I would only advise him for FUT because he has been getting some not so great results with FUE. Other top Doctors for FUT are H&W and Konior. In your case I would advise Dr. Keser to restore your hairline because he needs much less grafts than other Doctors to achieve amazing hairlines,. Go check @Kaya results thread here at HRN.
  19. @karatekid you are correct, Dr. Pekiner does not perform FUT and he was advising me to get the most out of my donor area. He gained my trust when he advised me to go have a FUT with Rahal before doing FUE with him.
  20. True that nowadays new FUE techniques drastically reduced the transection rate and made possible FUE mega sessions with results almost at the same level as FUT so it’s understandable that nobody believes it to be necessary to have a FUT scar to achieve a good result. However, in cases where donor area limited and there’s a lot of area to cover FUT is preferable for the first (and maybe second) surgery with FUE only being advisable after there is no more skin laxity for FUT. I was advised by Dr. Pekiner that in order to maximize my donor area I should go for another FUT with Dr. Rahal and only after 1 year go to him for FUE+BHT but I didn’t want another FUT strip taken off and go threw a FUT recovery again so I decided on heading straight for a mega session FUE+BHT to get things done in one go (was a tuff decision and I’m still waiting to see if I made the right call). If I had went back to a second FUT it would have been either Rahal again or H&W.
  21. I did my research and chose one of the best in Turkey so knew beforehand that I was having 3 full days of surgery and wasn’t worried or tensed in any way but this was my second HT so I had some insight. In my first HT in 2008 and I was a 25 year old kid doing a surgery that everyone in my country frowned upon because the norm at that time was doll hair results so I was in full on panic mode until I meet Dr. Rahal in person and he made all my worries disappear. Nowadays, you will find that the anesthesia is painless and that the time goes by very quickly. Wish you all the best!
  22. @guestY thanks for reminding me as it’s now been 1 month since my surgery. My crown looks less dense than it did on my 12 day post-op pictures so I assume shedding as already started 😞 even though I didn’t notice hairs falling out My FUT scar made in 2008 by Dr. Rahal is not noticeable and the donor area from the scalp and beard seems to have recovered nicely. It’s a little itchy sometimes in the scalp but that’s to be expected. I posted photos with strong overhead bathroom lighting and 1 photo of the crown in low light. Let me know what you guys think.
  23. Hi Folks, Long time lurker; My very first post here with the intent to share and contribute based on my upcoming surgery in India with Darling buds and most importantly “ My results “ in the next few months. I feel morally obligated to contribute at least something back to this community that offers : A worldwide network of HT experts, reputed Senior members sharing invaluable info, Top rated HT surgeons positioning their point of views and most importantly "real patients sharing real stories". Background Male in mid-thirties from Canada; NW 3 - Less/More. Past 6 years were dark and depressing. Living in a fool’s paradise; using Toppik daily assuming everything’s fine but somewhere at a deeper level; it continuously bothered me. Finally in 2019; I made the big decision to get a HT. This website is the main reason as to why I was able to solidify on my research, move ahead with a concrete decision and was able to find one of the best doctor (just being positive here) as per my checklist/strict criteria. Special thanks to the Creator of this website – Kudos to the brain that kicked off this humanitarian initiative as it continues to educate millions of potential patients like myself. Why Darling Buds India (I guess they changed the name to 5 Rivers Hospital ) This piece takes forever to decide especially for someone like me who spends gazillions of hours on the Internet/YouTube/Forums. I was always skeptical about giving my Head to someone to be operated; so consulted with many Canadian, American, European, Indian and Turkish clinics. Many reputed names like Dr. Rahal ( Known as the hairline king from Canada), Dr Acar ( Cosmedica Turkey), Dr. Erdogan ( Turkey), Aestimed ( Turkey), LA Hair ( USA), Qunomedical ( Belgium & German clinics), Dr. Cinik ( Turkey) and the list goes on……………………………………………. but None fitted my checklist in it's entirety reflecting 8 Key deciding factors that was prepared after extensive research for years 🙄 : 1. Max cost under 10,000 CAD ( 7500 USD ) for 3500-4000 Grafts to be able to achieve maximum density in my case. YES, I decided to find the best treatment within this range. IMHO, paying this much should suffice in getting you a world class, still affordable HT in today’s age with advanced Technologies, Globalization, the power of internet and competitive market. It's costing me around 9000 CAD ( including some expensive flight tickets) with Dr. Bhatti which seems adequate for the reputation he has or rather a steal ( not sure - will tell later) If budget wasn’t a constraint, I would’ve booked Dr. Rahal ( Canada ) who is local to me OR Dr. Baubac ( Alvi Armani USA) more importantly to save myself from the hassle of flying 20 hours one way, then drive to a different city, book a hotel for a week, apply for a visa, Take few weeks of vacation from work etc. Dr Rahal charges 8 CAD per FUE, most other clinics would cost the same in N. America for FUE Treatment. It’s costing me around 2.40 CAD with Dr. Bhatti ( includes all international/ Local flights, Visa, Hotel, Food, Cab etc.). If you compare Dr Bhatti's fee with his peers who fall in the same reputed arena of global doctors, I think most would sign this off as a great offering for hair loss patients globally. Eugenix quoted around 4 CAD per graft but it was for DHI method. They produced some great results lately and they are the inventors of DHI which is now adapted globally; goes to show that they are researchers also - very impressive. As of 2019, I think Dr. Bhatti and Eugenix should be compared as top players if India is the selected destination for your HT Journey ( My comparison below) I almost finalized Eugenix over Dr. Bhatti but then based on my research, took a U Turn : Eugenix positive aspects: 1. Biggest is DHI - OUT/IN grafts within minutes. Definitely better method as compared to Traditional FUE . I could only find positives so far, no negatives on DHI. It's hard to logically beat DHI method with traditional FUE; so no doctor should even try it IMO. I wish Dr Bhatti would offer DHI to his patients by now ☹ 2. Clinics are located in major cities like Delhi and Mumbai. No need to drive / fly again from major airport all the way to Chandigarh. Eugenix Negative aspects: 1. Some patients mentioned that they were taken for a ride. Eugenix Docs prey on foreign nationals; after or during mid surgery – Dr. Bansal asked for 500 more grafts payment as required and payment must be done during the middle of the operation ( insane); also no breakdown/reasoning was provided in the end. On the contrary, Darling buds has returned some fee to few patients to their surprise which is a classy act of ethical business in my opinion (hard to find) 2. Eugenix costs are almost double than Darling buds( quite expensive for many) but anyways DHI is more costlier than traditional FUE globally and if results are better with more graft survival rate, most patients wouldn't mind paying more. 3. Eugenix is run in a satellite office format, more than one location and hard to get a hold of prime doctors - Dr. Sethi and Dr. Bansal where as Dr. Bhatti provides a peace of mind with one location, one clinic, one doctor who is also the owner of that entire facility with 15 good staff members well trained under him in a peaceful non polluted city near a hill station. #3 was a critical factor in my decision to go with Dr. Bhatti In short, I would’ve loved DHI for best results but I settled with FUE for now Note: Out of thousands, This site recommends ONLY 2 surgeons from Turkey, 7 surgeons from India and 1 from Canada ( I was surprised to see only Dr. Rahal in the list, yes Hasson is there but they're again advocates of FUT ), so HRN really helped me short list 10 surgeons before making the final call 2. ONLY FUE for ME – My heart said a Big “No“ to a linear scar; doesn’t matter if some Doctors persuade you with somewhat genuine reasoning's to avoid FUE such as : FUE provides Less density, FUT offers more grafts and saves Donor area as untouched for future sessions, FUE is a blind process etc. Dr. Feller and Dr. Soni ( Medispa India) seems like the two biggest advocates of FUT over FUE and I agree with some of their explanations as it sounds logical. Dr. Soni really pushed me to sign up with FUT and said his scar technique is different. Promised that he will close it in a way where almost no scarring is visible . It was tough buying into that argument, additionally recent negative reviews about him and I finally decided to brush him aside at that point. 3. Doctor MUST perform the operation (No technicians) – I could only find someone as reputed as Dr. Bhatti who performs 80% of the procedures that includes Hair trimming (to feel your hair ), Anesthesia, FUE Extractions with motorized punch and Incisions. In Turkey where I was almost sold at one point, all operations are run by Technicians. Not a Plastic surgeon, no educational background/ competency level ( it's scary as they're known as the butchers of HT industry) I wish Dr. Bhatti would implant the grafts too ( not his nurses) for extra cost but I guess it will be a tedious job for a busy surgeon to sit for another 4 hours or so ....... Am I asking for too much 4. World class facility matching North American standards : with Heart rate monitoring, proper blood tests, blood pressure check up, spotless , Face coverings during entire operation and sterile environment. 5. Super microscopes and Magnifiers is a must ( Most Turkish clinics operate with naked eyes, when I asked they tried to sell me bull *&**** ) This is extremely important during all 4 phases of operation : Extraction – To make sure proper gaps are left in between grafts in the donor area and get the right angle before using the punch. Sorting – To count how many pure singles, doubles, triples and quads ( if any ) are collected. Incisions – To ensure least collateral damage, magnifier will show 6 x scalp surface so during incisions, holes are made at the right angle, depth and only on bald scalp areas ( not where you've some fine hairs). This should also minimize some shock loss in the post op phase. Implantation - Imperative to only use pure singles / baby soft hairs in the very first few rows of hairline and Temples. If by mistake, they implant doubles – it will give a pluggy look and I would rate that transplant as 50% failed right then and there. If during implant, nurses grab a multi - haired graft, at least microscopes will allow them to revisit to find a pure single graft and then insert it in the right spot. Joe Tillman's video is quite helpful : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeQ4ZvEHb7Y 6. Doctor should have a solid reputation on major forums, hair restoration network, should be well read, traveled, have some global exposure, recommended by Bald-truth, Spex and many other HT mentors like Joe Tillman. Dr. Bhatti checks all those boxes. Yes – there are some mixed opinions about him (and every other Top HT surgeon out there) but perfection is impossible to achieve; so I decided to just look at the bigger picture and go for it. 7. Detailed info, pre op care, post op care, regular contacts and supporting your patients in their hours of greatest needs is of utmost importance. Its well know that Dr. Bhatti, Shera ( his rep) , California would contact their ex. Patients regarding some concerns, would stand by them and not disappear. This was impressive. 8. Patient advisor should be genuine, honest and straightforward – So far, Shera has been awesome, friendly and taking care of all my minor/ major concerns. Always reachable, quick responses and a real time patient who has experienced the same Doctor few years ago first hand. In the long run, it helps to have a contact like him for small chats if need be. I will continue to share my Journey with Darling buds and also, highlight If any red flags are there. So far, I’m just one naive internet researcher in this field who talks based on theories and hypothetical situations, I don’t have any practical experiences yet. Assuming I've made a good decision by choosing this clinic (over others) and trying to keep a positive mindset hoping I will be in good hands is the only thing I can do now. One Sr. Member said it wisely – “For Dr. Bhatti and his staff ( or other clinics) 18th March will be just another day with another patient like thousands came before and will come after, but for a patient who’s been researching on this constantly day/night, it’s a big life event and 18th is one of the most important day of his life after which either he could regain his lost confidence or could loose it forever “ After all, handing off your head to someone for the entire day isn’t one easy decision I’ve seen members here supporting each other against doctors if results aren’t satisfactory. That speaks volumes and the main reason as to why I joined here to gain support from my so called “Anonymous hair restoration family” Dr. Bhatti's hairlines were talked about – not too dense? Any suggestions? Should I revisit this with him ? I don't want a sparse hairline but Not sure if this was an old issue (one -off) Also, I’ve not met Dr Bhatti for any F2F consulting yet or a video consultation, plan is to meet him a day before my procedure. So far, Shera is my driving force. I’m hoping for a life changing experience (like many others), regain my lost confidence and I always say “ Hope “ is something that brings us to these Doctor’s doorsteps. Yes finance and reviews are important aspects but we all hope to be treated in the best possible way during our special treatment day. A little daunting for me to fly all the way, get operated in a surgical room, holes in my head but I’m collecting all the courage in this world to get this done. Shera is helping like one true Samaritan If some of you are able to read this completely, my apologies for such a long note but this is the only forum where I am able to write everything anonymously and vent out if need be. My Journey to be continued……………………………………………………………………………………............................................
  24. @Hair transplant help if you are a NW6 or higher you will need two surgeries to get the best possible outcome. 1. It’s not about the country but the Doctor. For my first HT in 2008 to rebuild the hairline I chose the best at that time for hairlines which was Dr. Rahal and last year I needed to rebuild my crown using the maximum amount of beard grafts so I chose the best for BHT mega sessions. 2. Turkey is the world capital of botched hair transplant and 99% of the clinics are a risk but the other 1% are world class. 3 Dr. Keser does some of the best hairlines in this forum. Dr. Kaan Pekiner is a master at beard mega sessions and HLC Ankara is putting out some great results but they have 6 doctors so no way of knowing who is getting those great results and which Doc will do the surgery. Dr. Demirsoy also has some nice results but he uses technicians to implant the grafts (dealbraker for me). 4. Konior, Couto, Lorenzo, Feriduni, De Freitas (be prepared for 2 year wait lists and high prices). 5. What matters are the results the doctor can achieve and not the technique. For instance, Dr. Konior is achieving some of the best results in the world and he uses stick&place to implant grafs when the newest technique is direct hair implantation with Lion Implantor Pens. Konior does use WAW to extract the hairs which is the most recent extraction technique that is said to have the lowest graft transection rate. 6. Again what matters is the skill of surgeon. Supposedly the best technique are WAW to extract and DHI to implant but the best in the world are not doing both WAW and DHI and are getting better results than any other doctor. 7. Look at a lot of results posted by patients in this forum and others. 8. My advise is that the Doctor should be doing the whole surgery. Unless you go to icon like H&W that will have a amazing tech team because any tech in the world would kill to work for them. 9. Chose a Doctor with great results posted by patients. 10. It’s a surgery so if something goes wrong you should have medical insurance for post op care. In Portugal the best hospitals are public and in Europe you don’t pay for public health care but that might be different in other countries so it’s always good to be insured should anything goes wrong and you need to be hospitalized (if you would need to be hospitalized in the US you would probably go broke). 11. Trust the doctor. 12. For me it’s Kaan Pekiner and HLC. 13. Heck no! Clinics pay celebrities to have their hair transplant with them and post on instagram promoting the clinic but the reality is that a average person will not have the same level of surgery as a celebrity paid to endorse the clinic. Just like the images on the clinics website (many of them don’t even belong to the clinic). 14. Always ask to the surgeon what is his role in the surgery and what is the background of his technical support team. 15. Have a look at Dr. Bruno Ferreira in Portugal, he works in Madrid with Dr. Lorenzo but also has is own clinic in Portugal (half price). Every case is different, I went with Dr. Kaan because I needed a beard mega session and he has a lot experience with over 1800 beard grafts in one day but the diagnosis I got from Dr. Bruno was the best I have ever received.
  25. @Hair transplant help if you are a NW6 or higher you will need two surgeries to get the best possible outcome. 1. It’s not about the country but the Doctor. For my first HT in 2008 to rebuild the hairline I chose the best at that time for hairlines which was Dr. Rahal and last year I needed to rebuild my crown using the maximum amount of beard grafts so I chose the best for BHT mega sessions. 2. Turkey is the world capital of botched hair transplant and 99% of the clinics are a risk but the other 1% are world class. 3 Dr. Keser does some of the best hairlines in this forum. Dr. Kaan Pekiner is a master at beard mega sessions and HLC Ankara is putting out some great results but they have 6 doctors so no way of knowing who is getting those great results and which Doc will do the surgery. Dr. Demirsoy also has some nice results but he uses technicians to implant the grafts (dealbraker for me). 4. Konior, Couto, Lorenzo, Feriduni, De Freitas (be prepared for 2 year wait lists and high prices). 5. What matters are the results the doctor can achieve and not the technique. For instance, Dr. Konior is achieving some of the best results in the world and he uses stick&place to implant grafs when the newest technique is direct hair implantation with Lion Implantor Pens. Konior does use WAW to extract the hairs which is the most recent extraction technique that is said to have the lowest graft transection rate. 6. Again what matters is the skill of surgeon. Supposedly the best technique are WAW to extract and DHI to implant but the best in the world are not doing both WAW and DHI and are getting better results than any other doctor. 7. Look at a lot of results posted by patients in this forum and others. 8. My advise is that the Doctor should be doing the whole surgery. Unless you go to icon like H&W that will have a amazing tech team because any tech in the world would kill to work for them. 9. Chose a Doctor with great results posted by patients. 10. It’s a surgery so if something goes wrong you should have medical insurance for post op care. In Portugal the best hospitals are public and here in Europe we don’t pay for public health care but that might be different in other countries so it’s always good to be insured should anything goes wrong and you need to be hospitalized (if you would need to be hospitalized in the US you would probably go broke). 11. Trust the doctor. 12. For me it’s Kaan Pekiner and HLC. 13. Heck no! Clinics pay celebrities to have their hair transplant with them and post on instagram promoting the clinic but the reality is that a average person will not have the same level of surgery as a celebrity paid to endorse the clinic. Just like the images on the clinics website (many of them don’t even belong to the clinic). 14. Always ask to the surgeon what is his role in the surgery and what is the background of his technical support team. 15. Have a look at Dr. Bruno Ferreira in Portugal, he works in Madrid with Dr. Lorenzo but also has is own clinic in Portugal (half price). Every case is different, I went with Dr. Kaan because I needed a beard mega session and he has a lot experience with over 1800 beard grafts in one day but the diagnosis I got from Dr. Bruno was the best I have ever received.
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