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  1. I've narrowed my FUE down to these two Drs. (yes I know about Dr. Lorenzo, amazing yield, not my type of hairlines per se). I am a NW3v I gues with hair that looks better than it actually is (a good thing).most FUE Drs. agree 2500 to rebuild strong hariline from forelock, temple points, and then 1000-1500 to do zones 3-5. It is hard to not like anything about Dr.Feridun; great yield, super soft and natural hairlines, apparentely impeccable patient interaction and clinic, and so far have not seen one subpar result or heard one negative comment about him, his staff or his clinic. On the other hand I have yet to see a 4k or 4k+ FUE from him. Dr. Edrogan on the other hand seems to specialize in 4k-4.5k FUES with what appear tobe astonishing results (yeah I've seen the wet vs dry not such a concern for me). Does anyone have any concrete fedback on Dr. Edrogan, especially negative? I pretty much know I'll get a good result from Dr. Feriduni, yet probably capped out at under 4k. On the other hand my chances of a home run result seem to be with Dr. Edrogan. Since he is somewhat of an unknown to me that also means a chance of a bad result. So (other than wet v dry pic complaints) does anyone have any useful information on things to be concerned about, or would you think I could safely book at 4700 graft HT with him (his analysis for a 'perfect result') and expect excellent results? One minor plus is that he will be 5000 Euro LESS for 700 more grafts.
  2. Agree with what has been said, 1,800 will not be nearly enough and that amount is only good for beefing up the immediate hairline area for example as a reference of what 1,800 grafts could be used for. Also the crown is often referred to as black hole as it eats up a ton of grafts to do it right, including recreating the natural swirl. Dr. Wong and Dr. Feriduni excel at the crown so maybe consult with them for how many grafts would be required to do it right. Also boosting up the front and midscalp area and then growing it long would help with the frontal framing of your face (can't see the front in your pics) and also help conceal some of the crown area at the same time. And I agree a combo of FUE/SMP could be a way to address the area without using up too many grafts. However at the very least though the midscalp will need to be addressed due to the large balding area
  3. Hi jbl2093, Thanks for the questions. I'll need to confirm a few with Rahal. But answer the ones I know. First, I get it man. You're angry at your result. I don't know the specifics. But based on your experience... years ago... you feel that Rahal is not consistent. When that's simply not true. Your situation, which shity, is not the norm. Without knowing the specifics, I can 100% guarantee Rahal did the right thing. Be it refund, touch-up, whatever. That's who he is - ethical. Dr. Rahal stands behind all of his patients. Maybe he's too humble to say it. But I will. And for you to imply anything else is wrong. I'm going to post hundreds of A+ FUE results soon - including my own. As with anything, results are what count. And i'll back what I say with results. Now, you're questions: Some good ones. Looks like you might have been mislead. Most of the info you stated is not true. Some of your questions I can answer with exciting advancements. There is no turnover. I know the team, personally. Most have been there 10+ years. Others 20+ years. There are only a few less than 2 years. And I think another (maybe two) less than 6 months - though they are in training. So you're 100% wrong about this. Great question! There are 3 any clinic should measure. 1) Total, 2) Partial, 3) Tissue. There is some debate in the FUE community that "partial" is OK. Even a skill which sets the pros from amateurs. Some also say that it's OK to leave a 1-hair (for example) so the donor area does not look thin. As for Rahal's partial, it's under 3% - and measured "every case." It's also used to decide on the type of punch used during the case. If the patients skill is tough and partial transection is 4% for example - they will switch. Total and tissue are even less. Less than strip actually. I don't know the #'s. But i'll get for you. And the #'s are not out of my ass. I'll ask Patient Care to pull some charts over the last year. Data is data - and #'s don't lie. One thing I should point out here is 1) Rahal uses 8x magnification for extraction - the highest in North America. Awesome question. A combination of "HypoThermosol and Adenosine Tri-Phosphate." The solution "per procedure" is around $800. A big investment other clinics don't. It's the same solution they use preserve organs for transplants. Have you heard of coverage value? More here Dr. Rahal uses for every case. It was Dr. Lorenzo who created and shared. And prevents what you're talking about it. I'm not sure if it was used 3 years ago, as in your case. But it's standard now. And prevents what you're saying. Not true. There are two FUE extractions: Miguel and Dr. Gibbons, Dr. Rahal. Dr. Rahal decides on the punch to use, depth, etc. Starts the extractions, then monitors transection real-time. He also does all the incision, hairline design, etc. So he does majority of the case. Dr. Gibbons also does extractions. But I don't really care who does them. I care about transection, plus experience. And you should too. Since we are talking technical... Dr. Rahal uses the smallest punches in North America. Most are .8. He also uses the highest magnification in North America. Plus uses sharp or WOW, depending on needs. KEEP for implanting - basically EVERYTHING you need to perform A+ FUE. On top of that... he shares tips and travels to Turkey, spending time. Koray, Feriduni, Lorenzo all of the time. What I'm getting at is... you're procedure was years ago. Things have changed. How about this... You have some great questions. How about visiting Rahal and seeing for yourself.
  4. p.s. I've seen great results from Koray, Feriduni, Lorenzo, Lupanzula, too. p.p.s. Dr. Rahal and Koray, Feriduni, Lorenzo, Lupanzula share FUE tips all the time. If you're comparing Rahal's FUE years ago to now... you need to learn how technically the procedure has advanced. Donor management... punch size... magnification... keep... wow... sharp... dull. Let's talk technical. Lets have a debate. But let's also stick to the facts. p.p.p.s no shills allowed
  5. Follicular Unit Transplantation performed on a 39 year old Caucasian male with: - Ludwig I-II - Donor density of 78 FU/cm2 in the temporal region and 72 FU/cm2 in the occipital region - Hair diameter of ~56-62 microns Treatment plan: A Follicular Unit Extraction with 1600 FU to add to density to the bridge area and to reconstruct the crown area. The patient also suffered from thinning in the central core but the density in this area was still too high to be treated. Performed procedure (July 11th, 2015): A Follicular Unit Extraction with 1877 FU in a single day session * 56 single hair FU * 740 double hair FU * 781 triple hair FU Extraction performed with a 0.85mm FUE punch with CIT Manual Punch Handle. No microscopic preparation of the follicular unit grafts (FUE); Parallel incisions (single, double and triple units) were made in custom-sized blades technique (~Cutting Edge blades of 0.8mm – 0.9mm) Dr. B. Feriduni
  6. I received a quote from Dr. Feriduni. Treatment plan Reconstruction of / Add density to zone (1) + 2 + 3 Technique(s): FUE Number of follicular units: 1800 — 2400 FU in a single day session (FUE) Surgery costs : 8.100,00– Euro — 10.800,00– Euro*** VAT (21%) : 1.701,00– Euro — 2.268,00– Euro Total costs : 9.801,00– Euro — 13.068,00– Euro I am a little shocked at the addition of VAT as I thought all that was included. Do most clinics include VAT in their price per graft? Thanks
  7. FUE performed on a 40 year old Caucasian male with: - NW II-III Class N - Donor density of 88 FU/cm2 in the temporal region and 96 FU/cm2 in the occipital region - Hair diameter of ~52-58 µm Treatment plan: - 1st FUE procedure with 1500 follicular units to reconstruct the hairline and fill in the temporal recessions; - 2nd FUE procedure with 1500-2000 follicular units to add density to the hairline, temporal recessions and central core region. 1st procedure (October 10th, 2010): A Follicular Unit Extraction with 1544 FU * 462 single hair FU * 721 double hair FU * 361 triple hair FU Extraction performed with a 0.9mm FUE punch with CIT Manual Punch Handle. No microscopic preparation of the follicular unit grafts (FUE); Parallel incisions (single, double and triple units) were made in custom-sized blades technique (~Cutting Edge blades of 0.8mm – 0.9mm) 2nd procedure (December 8th, 2014): A Follicular Unit Extraction with 2134 FU * 400 single hair FU * 1420 double hair FU * 314 triple hair FU Extraction performed with a 0.85mm FUE punch with CIT Manual Punch Handle. No microscopic preparation of the follicular unit grafts (FUE); Parallel incisions (single, double and triple units) were made in custom-sized blades technique (~Cutting Edge blades of 0.8mm – 0.85mm) Dr. Bijan Feriduni
  8. FUE performed on a 41 year old Caucasian male with: - Norwood Type III-IV ant. Class T - Donor density of 68-72 FU/cm2 in the temporal region and 88 FU/cm2 in the occipital region - Hair diameter of ~68-78 µm Treatment plan: A Follicular Unit Extraction with 2200-2400 FU to reconstruct the hairline and frontal third. Performed procedure (March 5th, 2015): A Follicular Unit Extraction procedure with 3034 FU: - 542 single hair FU - 1979 double FU - 513 triple hair FU Extraction performed with a 0.85mm FUE punch with CIT Manual Punch Handle. No microscopic preparation of the follicular unit grafts (FUE); Parallel incisions (single, double and triple units) were made in custom-sized blades technique (~Cutting Edge blades of 0.75mm – 0.9mm) Dr. Bijan Feriduni
  9. SUMMARY 4105 graft FUE performed over two days (About two weeks ago, 14th and 15th July) to restore my hairline and reinforce the mid-scalp and vertex. Dr. Erdogan strongly recommended staying on Finasteride to maintain density in the vertex, and that is my plan for the foreseeable future. Day 1: • 2000 grafts placed in hairline (density of 50 FU/cm2 over an area of 40cm2) Day 2: • 1200 grafts placed in mid-scalp (density of 24 FU/cm2 over an area of 50cm2) • 900 grafts placed in vertex (density of 18 FU/cm2 over an area of 50cm2) So you can see what my hair was like, with receding hairline and loss of density throughout: And here is a photo they took during extraction where you can see the three recipient areas marked (hairline, mid-scalp, and vertex) MY BACKGROUND I am 31 years old. Hair loss started around 20 or 21, and I started on Finasteride by 22. I have taken it consistently since then, for awhile doing 1.25mg/day. For awhile I was dissolving Proscar in alcohol to get a solution and I experimented with lower doses (as low as 0.2mg once every three days. I think that dosage was less effective for me, though I can’t say I studied it rigorously. In the weeks before my FUE I ramped back up to 1.25 mg/day, and plan to stay at this dose for at least the next 15 months as I understood this time after the FUE to be critical. After that point I might try again to lower my dose, though probably not as much as before. CHOOSING ASMED Advice on this forum was very useful; ASMED stood out for quality and price-competitiveness. I had two online consultations done: • Dr. Feriduni quoted 2500-3500 grafts for the hairline and mid-scalp • Dr. Erdogan quoted 3400-3800 grafts for the hairline and mid-scalp Both clinics have great reputations and undoubtedly do great work, at this point the price difference was too much to ignore. Making the decision even easier was that ASMED could schedule me in at a perfect date so I confirmed with ASMED. COMMUNICATION AND LOGISTICS My emails to the clinic were all handled by Sema, who would be my point of contact before, during, and after the procedure. She was by my side during the procedure to take care of any need, translate when needing to communicate with the technicians, etc. The arrival was quite easy: the ASMED driver picked me up at the airport and drove me straight to the clinic. Depending on when you arrive, you might have your consultation immediately, or maybe not until the next day. I arrived at 7pm so no consultation that day. Instead, once I was in the ASMED car the driver had me speak by phone with Sema so that she could ask me what food I wanted for dinner. As you may know, you have two options for accommodation: the clinic itself, and the nearby Radisson Hotel. I recommend the following: • For the nights before, during, and one night after the procedure I strongly recommend staying in the clinic. I did this, and was so glad. After sitting in the same position for hours, having thousands of holes poked in your scalp, what a relief it is to just go up a few floors and be able to lie on a hospital bed that you can recline perfectly. I was exhausted and wouldn’t want to imagine having to get into a car (even for just the five minute drive) and go into a hotel, call room service, etc. It is just far more comfortable and safe to be right in the clinic during those few critical days. I wish I took some photos to show you guys, but the room in the clinic looks basically like a nice business hotel room (Starwood, Hilton, etc.), but with a hospital bed instead of a hotel bed. You have breakfast and lunch downstairs, and dinner they will order whatever you want and bring it to your room. Every afternoon they bring you a nice healthy snack of things like watermelon, hazelnuts, etc. • The day after the surgery I went down from my room to the clinic for removal of the bandage on the donor area and hair-washing. I then packed up my things and they dropped me off at the Radisson, where I stayed for 3-4 nights. It was nice to be in a hotel, so I felt a little bit more in the real world. While here I basically just laid around doing post-op care (dealing with swelling, spraying ATP every hour), reading, and ordering room service. • Once my swelling was totally gone and I felt I had a bit more energy, I checked out of the Radisson and moved into an Airbnb on the European side of the city. This I did because I wanted to stick around for about 10 days before flying. While on the point of logistics, the recent terror attack and coup attempt in Turkey might give some of you second thoughts but honestly I don’t think you should worry. The clinic is on the Asian side of the city, quite far away from anything touristic or that could be considered a target. The coup attempt happened the night after my procedure was finished and I slept through everything (other than being woken up in the middle of the night by loudspeaker announcements to loyalists to take to the streets) CONSULTATION This consisted of some photos, basic medical tests, analysis of my follicles, and also blasting my face and hair with some laser that apparently helps them make calculations for the hairline. Then I met with Dr. Koray Erdogan, who was really very friendly. We discussed a few things such as: • My use of Finasteride, and he asked if I was willing to continue with it. He was quite glad to hear that I was planning to stick with it. • My vertex. From the online consultation based on the photos I sent, he thought that my loss in the vertex was miniaturization and could be controlled with Finasteride. But in person he saw that part of the loss there was actual hair loss so he asked if I might be alright going above the 3400-3800 graft quotation to do 4100 grafts, in order to transplant some there. • My expectations, and plan for future loss. In looking at my photos and asking me about family hairloss, Dr. Erdogan suggested that I might be progressing towards Norwood VI eventually. He calculated a donor capacity of 8100 grafts so we briefly discussed what a future procedure might look like. Here I wish I had pushed a bit more for calculations on surface area and follicle density, so that I could understand in a more quantified way what a second procedure in years to come might look like. PROCEDURE Here is where some people criticize ASMED as Dr. Erdogan is not personally involved in every step. As you may have read elsewhere, his role is to plan the transplant, design the hairline, and make the incisions. You may be uncomfortable that the doctor does not do the extractions or transplantation, but the clinic’s results speak for themselves. For the extraction, they used 0.7mm punches for the parietal/side and 0.9mm for the occipital/rear. I had planned to pay the EUR300 for the optional PRP treatment but they threw it in for me. After first day of procedure: After both days were finished: Donor area after both days: RECOVERY Day 1 after procedure: They gave me some Advil for pain but I took my last Advil this morning and didn’t use any after then. Swelling starts to appear by the end of the day in the forehead. Sleeping on the neck pillow sucks, especially with the donor area still raw and a bit sore. Days 2-4: swelling moves down my face, and I pass through distinct phases, looking first like some random alien in a low-budget sci-fi with a bulbous head, and then later on looking like some brute who’s had his face bashed in at the pub a few too many times. During this time I figured out the neck pillow would be more comfortable if I have it barely inflated, so that the central part where my head rests has no air in it, but there is air in the sides, so that in case my head turns sideways it gets stopped and cushioned. Days 5-8: Swelling is gone; at this time thousands of tiny scabs fall off the donor wounds. Some scabs in the recipient area start falling off. Day 5 photos: Day 9: The recipient scabs all feel loose so today while shampooing I rubbed them all off. Day 9 (before removing scabs): Day 10: Day 17: Day 21: Now in the ugly duckling phase as shedding has started but redness has yet to really fade. They told me my skin is a bit sensitive so my redness is a bit worse than would be typical. And the high density implanted into the hairline makes it worse. 4 weeks out: Really in ugly duckling phase now as most of the transplanted hairs have fallen out. Luckily the redness seems to have started to fade. I tried to manage lighting conditions in these photos but I have moved over the past week so I couldn't keep things identical. (will happen again in a few weeks as I'm just in an airbnb while I search for a permanent apartment). And now here I am popping biotin and MSM to try to get these hairs to sprout up a little more quickly (in addition to Finasteride of course). I have to admit to being a bit nervous, worrying about sunburn from 90 minutes spent outside even though I was wearing a hat, etc. I suppose the best thing to do at this stage is to try to not overthink things, and just be patient. I know this was long, but hopefully it helps some of you. I have a huge debt to this forum from the many, many detailed posts here so I’m hoping that my experience can give someone else here the confidence to go for it and do it!
  10. FUE performed on a 33 year old Caucasian male with: - NW Type II Class N - Donor density of 56 FU/cm2 - Hair diameter of ~49-54 µm - Linear scar from a former procedure in 2011 (ex domo) Treatment plan: A Follicular Unit Extraction with 1800-2000 FU to restore the entire hairline. Performed procedure (December 17th, 2013): A Follicular Unit Extraction procedure with 1507 FU - 307 single hair FU - 1200 double and triple hair FU Extraction performed with a 0.80mm FUE punch with CIT Manual Punch Handle. No microscopic preparation of the follicular unit grafts (FUE); Parallel incisions (single, double and triple units) were made in custom-sized blades technique (~Cutting Edge blades of 0.75mm – 0.80mm) Dr. Bijan Feriduni
  11. I went to Dr. Feriduni several years ago. I actually didn't visit any other clinics but I did a thorough investigation online. He was very patient and did a careful screening of my scalp and hair condition. He suggested to use finasteride tablets first to see where hair might grow back and then define the target areas for transplants. The finasteride was so effective that until now I still don't feel the need to get it done. However, if I ever decide to quit finasteride or if its effects starts to diminish then I will go back to his clinic for a FUE without a doubt. He was very professional. I can really recommend you to look further into reviews about him on the internet in case you are looking for a clinic. Good luck all! :cool:
  12. 11 months update. Pics were taken by Dr. Feriduni. Front before and after
  13. Dear forum members, I want to give you a small update on my progress at 8.5 months. I am thrilled with the development so far! My hairline has taken a great shape, and I am delighted with the hairline design and its naturalness. I am very thankful for the great and detailed work of Dr. Feriduni and his team. I am happy I followed his advice regarding the overall design and the naturalness of the growth is what strikes most. Regarding the very smooth experience, I cannot recommend him highly enough. Feel free to answer any further question. Best Regards
  14. Hi! I have been reading more about it on the forum but I am still not entirely sure what it is and/or how it works. I am in my early 30s and would like to put off surgery as long as I possibly can, as Dr. Feriduni has recommended to me. I have thought of a few questions then. 1) What is it? The info I find online is mostly marketing/promotional stuff so I am not going to believe that. 2) Are there brands? If so, which are the best/worst? 3) Is this a skill in itself i.e. are there doctors that are better in it than others? 4) Side effects? 5) Is it a long-term solution? Any assistance would be much appreciated!
  15. Hi there, just thought i could piggyback off this thread. Thank you for sharing and this treasure trove on information, some of which can be slightly overwhelming! I'm currently based in the U.K. and my main consideration at this point is deciding who to go with... geography, cost and timing all play a slight factor in my overall consideration but quality is obviously paramount. You obviously speak highly of Dr. Erdogan and Asmed clinic and also of Dr. Yaman (who i havent heard much of till now), but is this relative to Turkey alone? where do we rank some of the best Turkish hair transplant doctors along the best in the world? The great disparity of quality and experiences in Turkey leaves me a bit apprehensive and I am trying to keep an open mind as to ensure I am not missing out on great treatment based on my prejudice. I'm fairly new to the forums but have been reading a bit and i understand even leading clinics in Belguim and the US/Canada will utilise technicians for placement of the grafts, but am I correct in saying that the reason Turkey is so much cheaper is in part due to the technicians carrying out the graft harvesting and placement? (with some doctors placing the recipient incisions) at the moment I am leaning towards Belguim, possibly Dr. Lupanzula (who i have a consultation with soon), Feriduni, Bisanga, or Devroye. I can't say I have much faith in the U.K. based clinics, following some consultation visits at Da Vinci clinic and Dr. Mays clinic, both fell short of what I was hoping for.
  16. FUE performed on a 23 year old Caucasian male with: - Norwood Type I - Donor density of 76-80 FU/cm2 in the temporal region and 92 FU/cm2 in the occipital region - Hair diameter of ~64-72 µm Treatment plan: A Follicular Unit Extraction with 1200-1400 FU to balance the symmetry between the left and right temporal recession and to reconstruct the temporal peaks. Performed procedure (March 3th, 2015): A Follicular Unit Extraction procedure with 1401 FU: - 507 single hair FU - 693 double hair FU - 201 triple hair FU Extraction performed with a 0.85mm FUE punch with CIT Manual Punch Handle. No microscopic preparation of the follicular unit grafts (FUE); Parallel incisions (single, double and triple units) were made in custom-sized blades technique (~Cutting Edge blades of 0.75mm – 0.85mm) Dr. Bijan Feriduni
  17. Hey Speegs, Thanks for the great comments! Yes I do agree that I'm somewhere in between Norwood II and Norwood III I appreciate the comments about finasteride and minoxidil, I will definitely discuss those options with the doctor going forward and might try them again for a longer period than 6 months and see if anything works differently (better). I do agree that prevention is key. But we have to find what works individually, the right type of product. We're all different and not everyone has the same results, as we all know. I will definitely try more stuff from now on, to see what makes a positive and lasting impact on my hair loss. Including laser therapy. I appreciate your opinion on my eligibility for surgical hair restoration, but I really don't think Dr. Bisanga would accept me as a good candidate if he didn't genuinely think I was one, just like he was very honest about FUE being the (only) sane option for me vs FUT, even though I wanted FUT initially. He's a pretty honest guy. And I also got feedback from other reputable doctors - like Dr. Feriduni and Dr. Devroye - who told me I am eligible for another procedure, besides all the research I've done watching videos from patients who've done several procedures sharing their experiences and advice, exchanging e-mails with them, reading a ton of articles, etc. I think I've made a great decision I feel very positive about it. Save Save
  18. Hi David! Thanks so much for your feedback. The Dr. I consulted with is Doctor Christian Bisanga. I consulted with 3 other doctors, but only online, they didn't get to feel my scalp in person so obviously they couldn't say "scalp is too tight, we rule out FUT" Also, besides this doctor, the other one I'd want to do my procedure would be Feriduni, but he has a 6 month waiting period just for a consultation in person and over 1 year of waiting period to have the surgery itself... so that one is out of the picture, I don't want to wait a year and a half to have the procedure done. I'm not working at the moment, so this is the perfect timing to have it done, as I can give it a few months while the hair grows back. Also, since I still have a lot of hair, I think it's wiser to do the procedure sooner rather than later, as I am sick of styling my hair for 30 minutes every day to give it a fuller look every day, or having the same haircut that is more favorable to my receding hairline. Yet I am in doubt. Funny how our mind works! lol I've written to the doc and shall see what I get back.
  19. FUE performed on a 45 year old Caucasian male with: - Ludwig Classification Type II - Donor density of 62-68 FU/cm2 in the temporal region and 70-74 FU/cm2 in the occipital region - Hair diameter of ~72-78 µm Treatment plan: A Follicular Unit Extraction with 3200-3600 FU to reconstruct and add density to his frontal half (zone 2+ 3 +4) Performed procedure (June 10th, 2015): A Follicular Unit Extraction procedure with 3651 FU: - 459 single hair FU - 3192 double and triple hair FU Extraction performed with a 0.85mm FUE punch with CIT Manual Punch Handle. No microscopic preparation of the follicular unit grafts (FUE); Parallel incisions (single, double and triple units) were made in custom-sized blades technique (~Cutting Edge blades of 0.75mm – 0.85mm) Dr. Bijan Feriduni
  20. Much of the FUE vs FUT literature I have read on both sides is barely high school level and shows utter disdain for the scientific method and understanding of controlled variables. For example the Beehner study on FUE cited by Feller and Bloxham regards a surgeon who considers himself experienced and yet also claims to have performed less than 100 FUE surgeries in a decade. To believe anything a talented surgeon writes even if the work is utter garbage and the evidence does not reflect evidence it is nothing more than an appeal to authority fallacy. We can look at the generalities on the other hand like the hundreds of Erdogan 5000-5500 graft cases on the international forums in which norwood 5s are achieving full coverage and the results are arguably more consistent than any FUT doctor in the world. When this extends beyond the hundreds (and failure rates or low yields below 2-3%) with doctors such as Lorenzo and Erdogan, you can no longer dismiss it as anecdotal evidence. https://www.youtube.com/user/NUFCBLOGS/videos International Hair Loss Forum - Dr. Koray Erdogan / ASMED SURGICAL CENTER : 5021 FUE International Hair Loss Forum - Vladimir 83 : 4502 FUE - Dr Erdogan - 14 et 15/05/2014 International Hair Loss Forum - Djeetee: 5500 FUE - Dr Erdogan - 27&28/09/16 International Hair Loss Forum - Vanpierresi & p?re : 3000 & 5000 FUE - Dr Erdogan - 14/02/17 International Hair Loss Forum - XABABA : 3200 FUE - Dr. Koray Erdogan, ASMED There are hundreds of these if you would like to look further. Hair transplant surgery is primarily cosmetic, we can deduce that FUT is clearly the better procedure by the nature of dissection under a microscope vs blind removal of tissue, however the results of doctors like Erdogan and Lorenzo show that large megasessions and massive cosmetic improvements that equal and better 95% of FUT surgerons in aesthetics and yield is possible. You cannot explain away all these cases with studies from American surgeons who are clearly having there business hit by superior and cheaper FUE surgeons who offer a more appealing service to the average patient (whether or not it is better). The studies are clearly inaccurate and high school level in many of their claims. Erdogan and Lorenzo have some of the most readily available results to view online, feel free to disprove with evidence of failure rates, poor yield and cosmetic mediocrity by looking at their results. Citing study data done by FUT surgeons who are incompetent at FUE and against it for business reasons is piss poor evidence against genuine results. Why are these and a number of other FUE surgeons such as Couto, Freitas, Lupanzula and Feriduni acheiving these results that so many highly intelligent and skilled FUT doctors claim is impossible? The explanation that it comes down to can be nothing other than competence. Why are doctors like Erdogan and Lorenzo able to get 6000-7000 on a regular basis from patients with no visible damage to the donor even with a fade cut? Why is there not a single case of an Erdogan 5000 with visible donor depletion when Feller claims this is impossible? Competence, experience and use of a manual punch. In regards to FUE, Feller lacks all of these in contrast to some of the top full time FUE surgeons. Either that, or he is simply lying. The claim that FUE cannot rival FUT for high norwood work and achieving similar cosmetic results for similar graft numbers is blatantly disproven.
  21. Some members might remember the story about the “Interview” with Feller, Feriduni (as a FUE/FUT clinic) and myself, which finally never realized. Nevertheless, I went to a second consult with Feriduni. Please be aware, I made an appointment for a consultation and not (!) an interview. Therefore, I only could ask some questions directly related to my case. I also did not record (of course) the discussion, but made notes before and after which I want to share. I also mentioned that I am in an online discussion about strip vs. FUE. - Dr. Feriduni recommended FUE as the right procedure for me (same did Bisanga and Lupanzula but the latter is performing purely FUE so maybe that doesn’t count). - This time I mentioned directly to Feriduni that I am open for strip if the results woud be significantly better - I also mentioned, that in the past I always had my hair long enough to disguise a good strip scar - Feriduni was confident that he could get results with FUE very close (or even similar) to his FUT and I had enough grafts available (which makes the lifetime graft count not a decisive factor for me) - He mentioned that I am (most likely) a good FUE candidate (hair type) - From what I understand it required many years (starting in 2003?) to come from 100-200 grafts a day to the numbers/results he does nowadays - He also mentioned that he would defend his opinion (almost similar results with FUE vs. FUT ) against anyone and actually there is a lot of discussion in the FUE conferences about this topic - Interesting point was that he told that on both sides (pro strip and pro FUE) there are “extremist” in both their opinion and their language (he mentioned the clinics names, but I will not publish them) - He admitted that there is very poor scientific data (FUE vs. FUT) and we had a brief discussion about the scientific articles and how they are edited (would be worth an extra discussion). - Interesting side note: Feriduni briefly explained different FUE extraction methods depending on the patients grafts (which helps reduce trauma but reduces grafts/session) Background to put the recommendation of the clinics into context: - I am 38 years old - Currently require totally 2500-3000 grafts - From my age and family history lifetime grafts required are ~ 5000 (if meds stop working) - All clinics estimated around 10 000 grafts available via FUE (and above average thickness and number of multis) As I am always suspicious and do not trust any doctor blindly (not Dr. Feller, not Dr. Bloxham nor Dr. Feriduni): - I used the “coverage value” from Lorenzo/Erdogan to calculate the available grafts myself and also ended up with around 10 000 grafts - Before I go for a big FUE session, I will do a minor fix for my W-Shape hairline (<300 grafts), which will hopefully tell if I am a good FUE candidate (how easy the grafts can be extracted) - If I am not a good candidate I will do FUT for the major area (crown) Maybe some will find this summary helpful.
  22. All norwood 5s with high sides and back on both sides of the family. In terms of FUT I would put Dr. Feller among the top options with, Bisanga, Hasson + Wong, Konior and Feriduni. My only issue with him is that in the (rare) cases I have seen of a very poor yield there are occasions where his conduct is approaching blatantly unethical, and he is very averse to refunds or touch-ups.
  23. decan, I'm sorry you're not getting any responses, perhaps it's because you're selecting between so many great surgeons that people don't know how to answer that. Honestly, Dr. Feriduni, Dr. Bisanga and Dr. Mwamba are all doing such great work that I would trust them all with my scalp. I would personally look at all of their work on their recommendation profiles (see the drop down box of surgeons in the right hand sidebar) and this forum, consult with each and then decide. I hope this helps. Best wishes Bill
  24. FUE performed on a 70 year old Caucasian male with: - NW VI Class T-P - Donor density of 64-68 FU/cm2 in the temporal region and 72-78 FU/cm2 in the occipital region - Hair diameter of ~54-60 µm Treatment plan: A Follicular Unit Extraction with 2000-2500 FU to reframe the patient’s face by reconstructing his hairline and frontal third. Performed procedure (April 10th, 2014): A Follicular Unit Extraction procedure with 2426 FU: - 617 single hair FU - 1809 double and triple hair FU Extraction performed with a 0.85mm FUE punch with CIT Manual Punch Handle. No microscopic preparation of the follicular unit grafts (FUE); Parallel incisions (single, double and triple units) were made in custom-sized blades technique (~Cutting Edge blades of 0.75mm – 0.85mm) Dr. Bijan Feriduni
  25. Forget about lists, i've been seeing Dr. Feriduni listed as a top doc ever since I signed up to this site, and I haven't seen more than 2 patient results published here in the past 3 years, everyone tends to regurgitates the same lists, what YOU as a potential patient have to do is actually research, look for REAL patients who've posted their results on websites such as this or through other platforms. As far as FUE goes the doctor with the most published results from real patients is probably Dr. Erdogan, while researching you have to understand what holds more weight, clinics only put out their best work obviously, so it is essential to see unbiased reviews of patients, if a clinic doesn't have enough unbiased reviews then it might be best to look elsewhere. Also be very wary of someone posting a review of them already at 12 months, you want to look for doctors who have patient's posting their results since day 1 up to the 12th month mark. Good luck on your research and remember this is YOUR head and it's YOUR responsibility to research.
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