Portugal25

On 12/13/2021 at 4:12 AM, mrmane85 said:

Any updates @TGR46?

He already went for his second HT with Dr. Bruno Ferreira.

His brother @PT#31 said he should be posting soon.

8 hours ago, JC71 said:

I would look at some more European options, those in Spain, Portugal and Belgium. Dr Freitas, Dr Vila, Dr Lorenzo  & Dr Couto for Spain, Dr Ferreira & Dr Pinto for Portugal, and Dr Feriduni, Dr Mwamba & Dr Lapunzula for Belgium. You already mentioned Dr Bisanga who is a excellent choice ! 

Forget Turkey and stick with this advice!

Pekiner is probably the best in Turkey but not in the same league as the All Stars mentioned above. 

On 11/3/2021 at 4:54 AM, Chances101 said:

Do you think grafts are secure enough at day 10 post op . For skull cap And Durag?

No not ok because your scalp needs to breathe in order to properly recover  from the surgery. Also placing a cap on top of recently implanted grafts (recently made puncture wounds) increase the risk of fungal development. 

You are a Norwood 6 and Dr. Arika is the Queen of Mega Sessions so it should be a no brainer. 

3 minutes ago, Sleeplessinsf said:

@Portugal25 I'm not concerned about money. I have looked ones who do BHT as Asli Tarcan (very bad result + depleted my donor area). I got to know of HLC (kinda brushed me off, ignored my follow up email), I am unable to find a way to contact or find a proper contact to Dr Pekiner. I'd love it if someone shared his proper info (Pekiner)

If you are looking to add beard grafts to your scalp you should consider Dr. Arika at Eugenix.
Pekiner’s rep Alex is replying to WhatsApp and I can share his mobile if you want. 

4 minutes ago, Sleeplessinsf said:

How are these two compared to the bunch that were mentioned (whether top ones mentioned, or terrible ones like Cinic) ? 

1. Serkan Aygin

2. Koray Erdogan with Asmed ?

ASMED is a expensive hairmill with more than 8 patients per day so I would go with Esma Tetik over ASMED.
Dr. Aygin is a low cost Doctor with several botched results one of which was repaired by Dr. Bruno Pinto: 

I simply wouldn’t chose or recommend this Doctor.

From all the results I have seen at the Turkish forum these Nurses are doing good work so despite being a choice I would never chose for myself it someone is considering going to a hairmill and have unknown technicians do his surgery then I rather recommend him Esma Tetik because it will cost less and it’s more certain to get a decent result.

@akmhtc if you are looking for a really low cost option and don’t mind going to a hairmill like Cinik to have your surgery with technicians then I advise to consider the Nurses Esma & Serkan Tetik. They charge 1500€ for all inclusive hair transplant and they do the DHI technique.  They have operated on the administrator of the Turkis hairloss forum and have dozens of real patients at the Turkish forum showing consistently good results. 

It’s better to have your HT with Nurses that have REAL patients posting good results than going to a hairmill and hope to be lucky enough to get good technicians (not Nurses, these techs could be have been taxi drivers 2 weeks before doing your surgery) doing your surgery. 

5 minutes ago, akmhtc said:

In fact, I am about to have the operation with this doctor, but I hesitated because of your comments and your view of this doctor, so I am trying to do my research.

We have no view of the Doctor because as many people already explained to you Dr. Cinik does not have any part in the surgeries of his clinic. The surgeries are performed by underpaid technicians that have no medical background so you are either lucky and get a experienced tech team or unlucky and get a botched hair transplant that will require another surgery with a  proper Doctor in order to repair your hair transplant but that’s only possible if the technicians at Cinik hairmill leave you with enough donor area for this repair. 

20 minutes ago, akmhtc said:

All of them here in HRN That's why I don't understand

How don’t you understand??

You understand that HRN is a forum specifically devoted for hair transplant patients to post their REAL results and for people with hairloss to share and receive information?? 

So why do you fail to understand that in this type of forum you will find REAL results from patients that went to Doctors and hairmills like Cinik. 

Obviously someone with a botched hair transplant is not going to be posting his awful hair on social media (Facebook, Instagram, Youtube) and you won’t find botched results on the clinic website or other website were it’s easy to pay to get 5 star ratings and fake reviews.

There are other forums like HRN and Cinik hairmill has real patients showing their botched results in all these hairloss foruns because it’s a HAIRMILL!!!!

14 minutes ago, akmhtc said:

I don't know, I'm new and I want a hair transplant. I searched this forum and other sites, and I found in all the reviews sites that it has 4.7 out of 5   exceeded the number of positive comments and some sites like realself, whatclinic and trustpilot

 

@akmhtcTrustpilot, Yelp and Social Media (Instagram, youtube, facebook) is the absolute worst way to research a Doctor!!! 
Aren’t you aware that hairmills copy paste results from top surgeons like Dr. Bisanga and show them on their website and social media??? 
Online websites and social media are very easy to manipulate so any business can easily get 5 starts on these websites.

If you want to research a Doctor the only way is by going to forums like HRN and looking at real patients posting their results since before the surgery until 12 months after surgery. This is the only way we can be certain we are looking at a real result.

Like @JDEE0 showed you on the link below it’s very easy to find real patients posting their botched results from Cinik because they are a HAIRMILL 

If you want a low cost Doctor go to Dr. Bicer or Dr. Demirsoy. 

25 minutes ago, akmhtc said:

yes this one and egy but the rest satisfied

You can’t seriously believe this statement you just wrote about the most famous hairmill in Turkey doing hundreds of surgeries per year with underpaid technicians without any medical background.

48 minutes ago, akmhtc said:

i cant find HRN ,, can someone give the link of this website please

@akmhtc HRN = HairRestorationNetwork.
HRN are the abbreviation letters of this forum. 

Cinik is a low cost hairmill with underpaid technicians without any medical background doing surgeries. 
Getting a decent result is like playing russian roulette because you be lucky and get a experienced tech team or get the taxi driver that was hired last week as a technician and end up with a botched hair transplant that will need to be repaired by a proper Doctor (if you are lucky enough to still have donor area available). 

1 minute ago, harry_potter1 said:

This is great value for money result IMO. 

less than 4K graft, almost half of them from beard hair, big area to cover and you posted photos in harsh light (older room light photos are way better) , for work done that is less than 2.5€?  Come on now. 

 

The only result I am disappointed at is Rahal, it is one of those typical results where the doctor wants you to look amazing after 1 year, rather than building a long term plan. The surgery was planned on the idea that Finistidrine will stop your hair loss, a bet that is lost. 

I think both hairline and crown are complete work considering your case, if you can manage to get another surgery in the mid scalp area @Curious25 mentioned, it will be almost perfect result. 

PS: Why did you opt for FUE rather than another FUT?

I opted for FUE because I wanted a mega session of beard grafts to compensate for the lack of donor area.

I should have had another FUT and then go with FUE+BHT like Dr. Pekiner initially advised. 

9 minutes ago, Sel Ma said:

Thanks for your feedback. By the looks of it, Dr Laorwong might not be as good as HLC, but I do think his work is reliable.  I have looked around in Australia and I can confidently say, I trust no one there (they also charge over double the price of Dr Laorwong). 

I agree making a decision is difficult. My priorities were to get a well respected doctor who operates on 1 patient a day. Both HLC and Dr Laorwong meet those requirements, so I think either will be a good choice.

I did also consider Dr Bicer, but she is way too busy. 

In that price point I would go for Dr. Bicer instead of Dr. Laorwong. She does just 1 patient per day and is getting pretty decent results. 

@jay80 if I had your hair I wouldn’t think twice and book Dr. Rafael De Freitas. 

20 hours ago, Sel Ma said:

Thanks for your input. There is just such a big price difference between HLC and Dr Laorwong so I may stick with Dr Laorwong. Tbh, balding in my mid 30s is not such a bad thing - who really cares? Balding in mid 20s I do care. 

With regards to the treatment with Dr Laorwong, I spoke with him and he said I can take dutasteride through the surgery but I will need to stop minoxidil 1 week before the surgery (can start again straight after). This should have no affect for hair loss in other areas 

@Sel Ma OMG when I was 25 years old I wrote here on HRN the exact same thing you just wrote.
After 14 years I’m now 39 years old married with two kids and I can tell you that you will most definitely care about your hairloss when you are in your mid thirties and will surely be having another HT even if you start taking Finasteride.

@ak438 what @digi23 said is true their prices were 1500€ for all inclusive DHI so it’s strange you paid 3000USD.

They are nurses and not Doctors but they have operated on the Administrator of the Turkish hairloss forum and have consistently achieved decent results.

I usually recommend them when I speak with someone that’s solely focused on price because it’s much better to go to Esma&Serkan than a hairmill that charges the same but has underpaid technicians doing surgeries without any medical background. Actually they have results on the Turkish forum that are better than several HT Doctors. 

We have to understand that for a Turkish national going to a Doctor like Dr. Bicer that charges 1.5€/graft is almost impossible because the average monthly wages are about 200€ which is why they have to go to Nurses or hairmills where they know the tech team that will do their surgery. 

31 minutes ago, Etownone said:

He's suggesting place the 200-300 grafts he can get from the scalp to the very front,   and then add beard grafts mixed in the frontal area right behind the Hairline to add more density.   

Dr Dorin is local for me...  I've used him before for FUTs before.  And he does have experience with BHT.    

I haven’t seen 1 patient report showcasing a BHT result from Dr. Dorin while Eugenix, HLC and Pekiner all have patients posting BHT with over 2000 beard grafts implanted in one session. 
Any Doctor that recommends implanting beard grafts in the frontal hairline would be immediately crossed out from my list but that’s just my personal opinion.

I also have two amazing local Doctors (Bruno Pinto and Bruno Ferreira) but I chose to travel thousands of miles to Dr. Pekiner who has extensive experience in BHT so I could get 1888 beard grafts implanted in one session. 

@Melvin- Moderator will also be traveling thousands of miles from the US to Eugenix also because he wants the best at BHT.

11 hours ago, Etownone said:

He suggests placing the 200-300 grafts from the back to the very front area,  and then the beard hair mixed in the frontal area for more density.   This dr is Dr Dorin in nyc.   

I had Dr. Dorin in high regards but if he’s suggesting to implant beard grafts in the frontal hairline it can only be because he’s not used to implanting beard grafts as these should absolutely not be implanted in the front and must always be mixed with scalp grafts. 
If you want to add density with beard grafts I advise you to speak with Eugenix, HLC or Dr. Pekiner as these are the most experienced with BHT. 

@Melvin- Moderator I do agree Dr. Laorwong gets decent results but I find it immensely strange for a Doctor to claim to be doing a DHI surgery when in fact he’s still doing pre-made slits and then has techs do the implanting with implantor pens.

Doctors using the same DHI technique advocate that the advantages of DHI is in fact the possibility to load each graft into implantor pen and be able to punch the slit and implant the graft at the same time with this device. 

Basically doing pre-made slits eliminates the advantages from doing a HT with implantor pens unless the advantage is simply that it’s easier for technicians to implant using implantor pens rather than good old forceps.
I do suppose this is the reason why many hairmills are now doing DHI with pre-made slits because techs using implantor pens have less chance of mishandling the graft.

I just find it odd that Dr. Laorwong would be using the same money focused technique instead of a proper DHI technique that obviously means the Doctor has to be present during the whole surgery to assure his team doesn’t place the grafts incorrectly in the scalp due to the lack of pre-made slits to mark the spot. 

Anyways it’s just my personal opinion on DHI with pre-made slits.

@Luismendes535 I congratulate you on your decision to have your surgery with a proper Doctor and in this case one of the best in Europe. 

You should really consider being on Finasteride for 6months prior to your surgery in order to stop your hairloss and strengthen your donor area (better HT results). 

Any local farmácia in Portugal will sell you Finasteride 1mg without a prescription and you can buy the cheaper “generico”. Take it 3x/week instead of everyday. 

Wish you all the best with Dr. BF 

1 hour ago, Gasthoerer said:

While I agree with the first point - 24 is very young, and you should be very cautious - I only partly agree with the second point and do not agree with the last point. The clinic you mention are not in "another league" as HLC. 

HLC is a very good clinic and maybe the best option in Turkey but I do consider the other Doctors I mentioned (on the same price point) better if only because you know who’s the Doctor doing the surgery while at HLC it can be any of the Doctors available on staff. 

@maxamil99 you are comparing ASMED a hairmill that has technicians doing several surgeries per day and many HRN members complaining of unethical behavior towards their botched hair transplants with Kesser that many consider the best Doctor in Turkey because he does the whole surgery himself and is famous for his hairlines (he does however only accept patients up to 1800 grafts and does maximum 900 grafts per day). 

For the same price you have Doctors closer to the UK that are on a whole other league doing the whole surgery themselves with highly skilled technique and achieving consistent great results: Dr. Rafael De Freitas, Dr. Ximena Villa, Dr. Bruno Ferreira, Dr. Bruno Pinto. 

Check the table below

Wish you all the best with your HT

@Sel Ma you are very young at 24 years and therefore a ethical Doctor will want you to be on Finasteride to do your surgery because your hairloss will progress and any transplant done at the age of 24 will look very bad in 10 years if you don’t take Finasteride to stop your hairloss and strengthen your hair.

HLC is the better option between the two because Laorwong is doing DHI with pre-made slits and then has techs implanting the grafts with implantor pens that basically means you get no benefit from the DHI technique while HLC is doing a Doctor only surgery using stick&place so you get the full benefit of this technique and a Doctor always by your side.

However if you can afford HLC you should you look at Dr. Bruno Pinto, Dr. Ximena Villa and Dr. Bruno Ferreira that are in a whole other league and charge the same price.

Check the benchmark table below: 

Wish you all the best!