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  1. Hi Bushy, thanks my friend i certainly hope i do, i have very similar type of hair to you so if i can get a result somewhere even close to yours then i will be happy. As for the crown i have had grafts placed all over the top of my head so half the crown was done.As for propecia, i think i have experienced some small sheds with this, but have read this is very common and is actually a sign that it is working. Looking forward to seeing your 4 month pics.
  2. Ok guys i have uploaded 3 month pics onto my weblog, i just had a look at my 2 months pics to see how far i have come in a month and i am pleasantly suprised, no flash was used in these pics. I started on propecia on the 18th july, i still have some numbness above my scar and some shockloss on the right side but this has improved from the 2 months stage. I can see and feel lots of new hairs coming through, so all is good, i feel as i did pre op but with maybe a 5 - 10% overall improvement, my bridge area pre op was non existent but in the mirror it doesn't look quite so thin.I do feel already that the pluggyness of my preop self has been slightly approved already. I have a long way to go yet, but i am feeling optimistic at this 3 month stage, onwards and upwards. Any questions, happy to answer
  3. Hi Glock, price was a concern of mine aswell so i hear where you are coming from H&W work a pricing structure of $4.50 for the first 2000 and then $2.50 for every graft over that, so the more you get the better the price per graft it becomes.As for cost pick up the phone and give Joe a call say there are two of you and your pricing issues, 15k will get you some good numbers by the way. As for scalp exercises, it basically about moving the skin at the back and sides of your head up and down, the more movement is called laxity, is the more laxity the wider strip that can be taken resulting in the higher number of grafts that you need. If you spend ten minutes a day pushing the skin upwards where you strip is likely to be you will improve your chances of getting a higher number of grafts and reducing the chances of your scar stretching as it will allow for a better closure. I suggest get going today with the exercises, i noticed an improvment after about a month.
  4. Hi Glock08, everyone has offered up some very good advice here, with your level of baldness you really need the high numbers, your donor density and hair characteristics look good from the pics.Hasson and Wong are the masters of firstly great looking transplants and secondly getting high numbers, lots of guys are regularly getting 5000 plus in one session, if you have the laxity/ density then they will be able to do it. I just got back from getting 4850 grafts after 3 previous poor strip surgeries in the 90's, like you i am an nw6 and needed to max out, everyone else quoted me between 2-3k. You may want to go back and do the crown at a later date but if you get good numbers first time round you might decide that it is not a problem beacuse you won't look bald front on and that is the most important thing. The down time after surgery is the hardest part and i believe if you only have to go through this once or twice then all the better. Start scalp exercises straight away they really do help, and forget about going to the closest doctor, i flew for 10 hours to get to Hasson And Wong. Good luck
  5. Hi at 9 days post op your head is pretty safe from the grafts falling out in the wash.The hairs shed in lots of different ways some come out just a hair no root, some will come out with the root (hair bulb), some with dry skin attached, no need to worry the follicle is surviving in your scalp. At day nine you need to be washing your hair normally, so expect to see lots of dried skin, etc. All the best
  6. I too have new growth at 2 months, not lots but definately some visible sprouts, i can also feel lots of tiny spikes with my fingertips.The peach fuzz is new ht hair, which will thicken up in time.
  7. Hi and thanks for the reply, i am very interested as i have a wealth of unwanted body hair so yes the idea is a wonderful one if the results can come somewhere near that of a normal transplant.I am glad that the decision was all yours and your weren't pushed into this as an experimental case for the doc, as you say if the results aren't totally to your satisfaction you can always rely on your head as a donor source. Good growth to you
  8. Hi Top shiny, thanks for the update, i will be following your case with interest but i still can't help feeling that you could of got 3000 grafts at least from your head, you are a virgin donor there right?. Your donor looks good dark thick hair will give you a good coverage, maybe norwood 6 don't make the ideal ht patients but as long as your expectations are not sky high you can end up with a reasonable head of hair, there are some cases of nw6 that have got great heads of hair. Was it your idea or the docs to go along the line of bht without trying the normal route first? Can i ask out of the 700 test patch that you did, were you given any idea of what the yield was? are you planning at this stage to go back for more in the future? I think you are a very brave man and really wish you all the best but personally would harvested as much as i could from my head and then tried body hair if i needed to.
  9. Mr Joe, yes it is fairly common, not everyone gets it but a lot of people seem to suffer it in some form, i am not worried by it as i know it will grow back, its just amking things difficult for now.
  10. Hi all, i have reached my two month stage and have updated my weblog with lots of new pics, i have also updated some old pics of my hair pre any hairloss to show of my old Morrissey quiff and also pics after my first 450 grafts session in 1996, altough you can't see any of the work carried out as it is all camoflauged by my existing hair, it goes to show why i haven't been really concerned about my unnatural appearance until the last 4-5 years. I have been buzzing my hair to a 3 at the sides and longer at the back to keep it in line with the length on top, this has made normal looking front on, i suffered a lot of shockloss particularly on the right side i noticed lots of hairs coming out from day one to about week 5, this shockloss on the donor has now stopped and i am awaiting re growth. I started running on week five and football (soccer) week 6 , this was my first time out without my hat and used courve for the first time, as crude as the stuff is (basically makeup) it did hide my scars, i was very conscious of it running or coming out but it was all fine. I am still wearing a hat when i go out although my hair is nearly at the point where it is like it was pre op, it looks like it would do now after a short haircut (my pre op pics hair length was longer than normal to conceal scars). I can see new hairs lower than my old hairline sprouting which is really great news, if you look carefully at my photos you will see this, as an unusual experience some of my old ht hairs change colour from black at the tip to very pale and back to black again near the root, this can be seen in some of my pics, maybe this is a shock related thing?. I am taking 300mg of msm daily and feel this has helped my hair grow back quickly, it is quite a good length for 2 months and i am happy with that, all in all i feel very positive about the upcoming months and very excited as to what i will look like in 10 months time, on a down side my shockloss concerns me particularly on the right side where i am having difficulty hiding my scars. Please feel free to ask any questions I have attached a pic which shows my hairline in detail
  11. Hi i have just made up my weblog, to see all my pre op and post op pics up to one month please take a look.
  12. Hi Pat, thanks very much, yes 10 years is along time from first to last transplant to get a result i will be happy with, i will get on and make a web blog so you can see my pictures, thanks for a great site. PCC yes i read your story, its does seem very similar to mine, i had the ultimate big hair, hence my Morrissey mention, have you posted any pics? Have you made any decisions on your next ht?
  13. Hi PCC, i will take at look at your post, yes this first posted on a uk hairloss site, A&E is hospital accident and emergency. I was very very suprised to get that high number, but from my pics i sent H&W thats what Joe and Dr Hasson quoted me.I did do a hell of a lot of scalp exercises, spent about 20 mins a day really pushing the scalp up and down. Actually Dr Hasson did say that i had the perfect type of donor hair, so i am really happy. I have a lot of pictures to show, is it ok if i link to my web blog from another hairloss site? i can only seem to add one picture at a time with this post, any ideas anyone?
  14. Hello all, here's my story a bit long winded but hopefully of interest to all. 1996 My first hair transplant with the wonderfully charismatic Michael May (now with the Wimpole clinic, UK) aged 23 heading for nw 6/7 but with a lot of my own hair at the time he decides 450 mini micro grafts (4-6 hairs) at ??1500 (nice round number) would be just the job, "a few of these and you will be set up for life" was his words or something similar. He was recommended to me as the hair transplant man, he came across more like a monk on a vow of silence as there was no communication throughout the surgery and he decided in all is wisdom and consulting his crystal ball that my hairline would recede only about 1" higher than it currently was (aged 23) but retain the same nice curved youthful shape i.e. no recession into the temples. He carried out the surgery like a man who had been doing it for years i.e. as if he was bored sh*tless, but after all he was a doctor and you are supposed to trust them , right?. Anyway the 450 grafts gave my a bit more density than what I had and I was now on the hair transplant roller coaster, so 2 more sessions and I should be good to go, hmmm. 1997 Young dumb and full of mini and micro grafts (well 450 anyway) I was set for round 2 of my adventure, unsurprisingly I decided against seeing May again, after reading Dr Nortons glossy brochure and seeing the great pics of a male model with full head of hair (never a transplant) on the front I decided "yes this is what I want, sign me up". They were much friendlier than Michael May and they paid for my train fare and even offered to drive me back home from Wakefield after the procedure, Dr Norton was full of smiles when I met him, and then I clocked his Porsche in the car park and realised why he was so happy to see me. Anyway 500 more mini and micro grafts another ??1500 lighter and I was away, I was driven home by their hair model a guy that turned up when it got dark outside and sat in a darkened room at all times (and still I wasn't put off!). 1998 I decided that this would be my last hair transplant as using all my holiday entitlement and money and not achieving a result anywhere near what I was happy with was getting me down a bit (funny that) I raised the bar and asked for 600+ grafts to max out, sort the crown out and soften the hairline up, had I gone mad? Quite possibly, 2k later and I was in the chair with Norton again, he was still very friendly but this time he placed my donor scar number 3 way too low on my head just above the neck, We supposedly harvested 600 or so grafts but I think I reality we got about 350 like we did the previous time. A week later and a lump had appeared at the back of my head which was throbbing, Dr Norton said it was were a vein had meet an artery and was really not a problem, A&E would be able to sort it for me. A&E looked at me as if I had two heads, which by that time I nearly had and said they didn't want to touch it, so another journey to Wakefield to get it sorted. Two minutes in the chair and the lump had been fixed and after much hassle I managed to get some money back from them! ( a pittance in all honesty) for my troubles as long as I didn't darken their doors again, this I didn't need persuading about. Anyway this lump left me with a huge mass of scar tissue and a pressure point that just to touch was agonisingly painfull, 8 years on and it is still like that today with nerve damage in other points around one side of my head. Once HT 3 had grown in and because of the experiences that I had I vowed never again, and closed the book on my hair after reading a feature in FHM that Michael May was infact the man for HT in the UK and that Dr Norton was in the Sun for botched liposuction and stuck off (although still carrying out hair surgery to this day) I came to the conclusion that the whole industry in the UK was a sham. The ht's delayed the inevitable and did make my feel a bit more happy about my hair loss for a while until the last couple of years year when my hairline receded and became the May/Norton mutation that you will see from my before pics ( I have never taken any medication and propecia wasn't around when I had my transplants). My hair sought of became an non issue for me, in truth I was fed up spending so much time effort and money on it. Recently Last year I thought that I would go see Dr Rogers for a 1000 into the hairline just so it wouldn't look so much like a HT. On doing my research about 6 months I stumbled across Joetronics website and couldn't believe what I was seeing his results were amazing, the wife was promptly called in to check it out. After reading his story I saw he was now working for the company Hasson And Wong, my first thoughts were "These guys must be really pricey" if he is now having to work for them, A few emails back and forth and phone calls after sending my pics over and consulting with Dr Hasson they felt they could harvest 4000 grafts as my donor density looked good and after 8 years with no surgeries my laxity should be pretty good again. After having 1500 (more like 1000 ish) grafts before and having at least some hair to look at from the front 4000 grafts seemed unbelievable I had visions of my old Morrissey quiff of the late 80's returning!, naturally I was dubious as was my wife who was never really into Morrissey. I checked out the websites and saw all the great H&W results and thought I would email consult with some other top docs overseas and well as consult with Rogers in the UK and meet up with this Spex guy I kept on reading about. Armani said that it was unlikely that i would get more than 2000-2500 with my previous scarring and limited donor area (they all had been sent the same pics) Dr Cole really wanted to perform FUE which I wasn't interested in as I wanted the maximum coverage on top and for my money. Dr Rahal was very helpful and a nice guy and felt that he would be able to do 2500-3000 grafts depending on my hair characteristics. Dr Rogers also was a nice guy but very conservative and quoted about 1500 grafts, by now the Morrissey quiff had fallen flat. After a few emails and phone calls I meet up with Spex in London, his hair is great and his enthusiasm was really infectious, he took a few photos and arranged that I speak to Dr Feller which I did, again Dr Feller is a really nice and easy guy to talk to, he thought that I could get around 2500 grafts but if there was more he would get it. A few of the problems that I have is that my hairline has been placed a bit too low by Dr May (its 7cm above my eyebrows) so I have a very large area of baldness to cover it was also very symmetrical in that what a young person with a very strong hairline would have but in my case without the very strong (or young anymore). Spex was really helpful and full of good information and in the end it was a straight choice between Hasson and Wong and Dr Feller, but after speaking again to Joe at H & W the decision was made, all the great results on their website and hairloss forums coupled with the fact that they were still confident that I could get the 4k grafts that they had originally said, and Joe's site being the reason I had really started looking into hair transplants again were the deciding factors. June 2006 I arrived in Vancouver the day before my operation the flight was 9 hours and 10 mins and was on time I flew with Air Transat ??“best prices I paid ??380 for a return, I got a taxi to The Granville Island hotel which was about 25 canadian dollars (2 dollars to the pound at present) I was staying for 4 nights to take advantage of the cheaper flight, H&W paid for 2 nights stay and booked the accommodation for me, saving me the trouble of doing this, the hotel was very nice and they know what you are there for, so are very accommodating, it also has a great views and is right near some restaurants, pubs etc (although no alcohol was consumed). I walked to H&W offices (about a 20 min walk) for my consultation and meet Joe, Doug and Dr Hasson and Dr Wong etc, Dr H confirmed that my density was excellent which really pleased me and my laxity was also quite good, we discussed that coverage was an issue for me and that I was not concerned about my previous scars so much (my donor hair being dense has always covered this well with a grade 5) he confirmed that we should get 4k maybe more! The day of the operation I arrived at 7.30 am, Dr H took my pics, we didn't need to discuss my hairline as Dr May had taken care of that for us 10 years previous, he shaved my top of my head, which didn't take very long and started work on extracting the donor hairs. The injections are the most painful bit of this process but are over quickly and then the area is numb, the area was removed in sections, testing for laxity in each piece, my sides were very lax and a bigger piece was able to be removed but lower down on my head was much tighter and he was only able to remove about a 1cm piece in places. It took 1hr 45 mins to remove the complete donor area he said the last time it took him that long was on Spassky another UK patient whom I have spoken to, Dr H went quite aggressive in the strip he was removing because this was my last chance at getting strip and I wanted the highest amount of grafts as possible. The actual removal of the skin is painless because of the anthestic that you have been injected, I made a comment on that crunching noise that I heard and was told that was when he was cutting through the scar tissue. Once this is done I had 4 injections into my forehead to numb the recipient area and Dr H made the first 2000 incisions with his custom made blade (this again is all pain free), he actually had to use a slightly bigger blade on me than normal because of scalp being tough and scarred up from my big grafts previously. If you look at the shaved down pictures you will see the poor placement and the big gaps in between each graft and that it is in rows just like as Joe calls it ??stadium row seating', I think Dr Norton got carried away and starting constructing some hot dog stalls in my crown!.You can also see where Dr H had originally intended to fill in. When I saw my before and shaved down pics I was shocked that most of the grafts had been packed in so tight into my scalp that the hairs faced all different angles and that I still had some redness, what isn't obvious from the pics is the pitting that you can see under bright light, the pics are pretty brutal the lighting the H&W use really shows off your hair for what it is, if I had of seen these pics I would have done something a long time ago! There were four girls cutting and grouping my grafts and were happy to let me take a look through the microscope, they commented that my hair was coarse and because it was wavy it needed to be trimmed more to fit the incisions that were made on my head. Anyway I was well provided for with lots of drinks, lunch and dinner, and had a lot of stops to stretch my legs, there are about 250 dvds to watch to pass the time. Once the 2k are planted Dr H comes back to make more incisions, you get a clicker to count every hundred he is making so you know you are getting what you pay for unlike my previous experience where no counting is done. That was pretty much how the rest of day panned out with Dr H coming back to make more incisions and then the girls planting. Things were looking good and I was told that there should be enough grafts to together with my hair characteristics to cover the entire top of my head!! After 14 hours in the chair I had a grand total of 4850 grafts being a mixture of singles into my hairline and around the previous grafts in my crown , mainly doubles and also some 3's aswell. I was totally blown away by my graft count as I never in a million years believed it would be this high, I had been hoping for 3k with a outside chance of getting nearer four at the most, I wanted to soften my hair line and cover up my pluggy appearance and fill in the totally bald areas in my bridge were no previous work was done, but to be able to cover my head totally is just awesome. I don't know the exact cm2 density, its not dense packed, but it is around 50 into the hairline and 20-30 working back into my crown but with my coarse hair and slight wave plus the previous work we are all really confident of a great look when it grows in. When you leave you are given painkillers, antibiotics, baseball cap, pillow covers, shampoo, staple remover etc in a goodie bag. The next day I returned to have my hair washed. I am now day 6 post op and home, the redness is fading and I am applying aloe vera gel as of today (thanks guys) and starting to take msm again, I have noticed that the donor area although tight and still numb in places is not as painful as I remember it being, before I couldn't sleep on the scar for at least 2 weeks, this time I have had only slight discomfort in sleeping on the scar ( a few painkillers soon soughts that out, which is good as the scar is ear to ear, and I would have to sleep standing up top avoid putting any pressure on it).Whilst out there I picked up 10 months supply of Proscar, I will start taking this shortly which hopefully will add to my overall result. Thanks for reading guys the above is a light hearted take on my experiences, lifes too short to be bitter and twisted about what I have been through, its not healthy to be angry for ever. I have been really been through the bad times HT wise in the UK and now have put that right. The truth will be in the result and I am now very optimistic about the future and wish I could fast forward to 4 months to start seeing the results come in. Thank you to all who post their experiences and pics on these sites, without you this decision would have been much, much harder to make, it is because of you that I am posting in the hope that I can help other people not make the wrong decisions. To recap 1996 450 grafts Dr May 1997 500 grafts Dr Norton 1998 600 grafts Dr Norton 2006 4850 grafts Hasson and Wong This post was written 4 weeks ago to the day
  15. Hello all, here's my story a bit long winded but hopefully of interest to all. 1996 My first hair transplant with the wonderfully charismatic Michael May (now with the Wimpole clinic, UK) aged 23 heading for nw 6/7 but with a lot of my own hair at the time he decides 450 mini micro grafts (4-6 hairs) at ??1500 (nice round number) would be just the job, "a few of these and you will be set up for life" was his words or something similar. He was recommended to me as the hair transplant man, he came across more like a monk on a vow of silence as there was no communication throughout the surgery and he decided in all is wisdom and consulting his crystal ball that my hairline would recede only about 1" higher than it currently was (aged 23) but retain the same nice curved youthful shape i.e. no recession into the temples. He carried out the surgery like a man who had been doing it for years i.e. as if he was bored sh*tless, but after all he was a doctor and you are supposed to trust them , right?. Anyway the 450 grafts gave my a bit more density than what I had and I was now on the hair transplant roller coaster, so 2 more sessions and I should be good to go, hmmm. 1997 Young dumb and full of mini and micro grafts (well 450 anyway) I was set for round 2 of my adventure, unsurprisingly I decided against seeing May again, after reading Dr Nortons glossy brochure and seeing the great pics of a male model with full head of hair (never a transplant) on the front I decided "yes this is what I want, sign me up". They were much friendlier than Michael May and they paid for my train fare and even offered to drive me back home from Wakefield after the procedure, Dr Norton was full of smiles when I met him, and then I clocked his Porsche in the car park and realised why he was so happy to see me. Anyway 500 more mini and micro grafts another ??1500 lighter and I was away, I was driven home by their hair model a guy that turned up when it got dark outside and sat in a darkened room at all times (and still I wasn't put off!). 1998 I decided that this would be my last hair transplant as using all my holiday entitlement and money and not achieving a result anywhere near what I was happy with was getting me down a bit (funny that) I raised the bar and asked for 600+ grafts to max out, sort the crown out and soften the hairline up, had I gone mad? Quite possibly, 2k later and I was in the chair with Norton again, he was still very friendly but this time he placed my donor scar number 3 way too low on my head just above the neck, We supposedly harvested 600 or so grafts but I think I reality we got about 350 like we did the previous time. A week later and a lump had appeared at the back of my head which was throbbing, Dr Norton said it was were a vein had meet an artery and was really not a problem, A&E would be able to sort it for me. A&E looked at me as if I had two heads, which by that time I nearly had and said they didn't want to touch it, so another journey to Wakefield to get it sorted. Two minutes in the chair and the lump had been fixed and after much hassle I managed to get some money back from them! ( a pittance in all honesty) for my troubles as long as I didn't darken their doors again, this I didn't need persuading about. Anyway this lump left me with a huge mass of scar tissue and a pressure point that just to touch was agonisingly painfull, 8 years on and it is still like that today with nerve damage in other points around one side of my head. Once HT 3 had grown in and because of the experiences that I had I vowed never again, and closed the book on my hair after reading a feature in FHM that Michael May was infact the man for HT in the UK and that Dr Norton was in the Sun for botched liposuction and stuck off (although still carrying out hair surgery to this day) I came to the conclusion that the whole industry in the UK was a sham. The ht's delayed the inevitable and did make my feel a bit more happy about my hair loss for a while until the last couple of years year when my hairline receded and became the May/Norton mutation that you will see from my before pics ( I have never taken any medication and propecia wasn't around when I had my transplants). My hair sought of became an non issue for me, in truth I was fed up spending so much time effort and money on it. Recently Last year I thought that I would go see Dr Rogers for a 1000 into the hairline just so it wouldn't look so much like a HT. On doing my research about 6 months I stumbled across Joetronics website and couldn't believe what I was seeing his results were amazing, the wife was promptly called in to check it out. After reading his story I saw he was now working for the company Hasson And Wong, my first thoughts were "These guys must be really pricey" if he is now having to work for them, A few emails back and forth and phone calls after sending my pics over and consulting with Dr Hasson they felt they could harvest 4000 grafts as my donor density looked good and after 8 years with no surgeries my laxity should be pretty good again. After having 1500 (more like 1000 ish) grafts before and having at least some hair to look at from the front 4000 grafts seemed unbelievable I had visions of my old Morrissey quiff of the late 80's returning!, naturally I was dubious as was my wife who was never really into Morrissey. I checked out the websites and saw all the great H&W results and thought I would email consult with some other top docs overseas and well as consult with Rogers in the UK and meet up with this Spex guy I kept on reading about. Armani said that it was unlikely that i would get more than 2000-2500 with my previous scarring and limited donor area (they all had been sent the same pics) Dr Cole really wanted to perform FUE which I wasn't interested in as I wanted the maximum coverage on top and for my money. Dr Rahal was very helpful and a nice guy and felt that he would be able to do 2500-3000 grafts depending on my hair characteristics. Dr Rogers also was a nice guy but very conservative and quoted about 1500 grafts, by now the Morrissey quiff had fallen flat. After a few emails and phone calls I meet up with Spex in London, his hair is great and his enthusiasm was really infectious, he took a few photos and arranged that I speak to Dr Feller which I did, again Dr Feller is a really nice and easy guy to talk to, he thought that I could get around 2500 grafts but if there was more he would get it. A few of the problems that I have is that my hairline has been placed a bit too low by Dr May (its 7cm above my eyebrows) so I have a very large area of baldness to cover it was also very symmetrical in that what a young person with a very strong hairline would have but in my case without the very strong (or young anymore). Spex was really helpful and full of good information and in the end it was a straight choice between Hasson and Wong and Dr Feller, but after speaking again to Joe at H & W the decision was made, all the great results on their website and hairloss forums coupled with the fact that they were still confident that I could get the 4k grafts that they had originally said, and Joe's site being the reason I had really started looking into hair transplants again were the deciding factors. June 2006 I arrived in Vancouver the day before my operation the flight was 9 hours and 10 mins and was on time I flew with Air Transat ??“best prices I paid ??380 for a return, I got a taxi to The Granville Island hotel which was about 25 canadian dollars (2 dollars to the pound at present) I was staying for 4 nights to take advantage of the cheaper flight, H&W paid for 2 nights stay and booked the accommodation for me, saving me the trouble of doing this, the hotel was very nice and they know what you are there for, so are very accommodating, it also has a great views and is right near some restaurants, pubs etc (although no alcohol was consumed). I walked to H&W offices (about a 20 min walk) for my consultation and meet Joe, Doug and Dr Hasson and Dr Wong etc, Dr H confirmed that my density was excellent which really pleased me and my laxity was also quite good, we discussed that coverage was an issue for me and that I was not concerned about my previous scars so much (my donor hair being dense has always covered this well with a grade 5) he confirmed that we should get 4k maybe more! The day of the operation I arrived at 7.30 am, Dr H took my pics, we didn't need to discuss my hairline as Dr May had taken care of that for us 10 years previous, he shaved my top of my head, which didn't take very long and started work on extracting the donor hairs. The injections are the most painful bit of this process but are over quickly and then the area is numb, the area was removed in sections, testing for laxity in each piece, my sides were very lax and a bigger piece was able to be removed but lower down on my head was much tighter and he was only able to remove about a 1cm piece in places. It took 1hr 45 mins to remove the complete donor area he said the last time it took him that long was on Spassky another UK patient whom I have spoken to, Dr H went quite aggressive in the strip he was removing because this was my last chance at getting strip and I wanted the highest amount of grafts as possible. The actual removal of the skin is painless because of the anthestic that you have been injected, I made a comment on that crunching noise that I heard and was told that was when he was cutting through the scar tissue. Once this is done I had 4 injections into my forehead to numb the recipient area and Dr H made the first 2000 incisions with his custom made blade (this again is all pain free), he actually had to use a slightly bigger blade on me than normal because of scalp being tough and scarred up from my big grafts previously. If you look at the shaved down pictures you will see the poor placement and the big gaps in between each graft and that it is in rows just like as Joe calls it ??stadium row seating', I think Dr Norton got carried away and starting constructing some hot dog stalls in my crown!.You can also see where Dr H had originally intended to fill in. When I saw my before and shaved down pics I was shocked that most of the grafts had been packed in so tight into my scalp that the hairs faced all different angles and that I still had some redness, what isn't obvious from the pics is the pitting that you can see under bright light, the pics are pretty brutal the lighting the H&W use really shows off your hair for what it is, if I had of seen these pics I would have done something a long time ago! There were four girls cutting and grouping my grafts and were happy to let me take a look through the microscope, they commented that my hair was coarse and because it was wavy it needed to be trimmed more to fit the incisions that were made on my head. Anyway I was well provided for with lots of drinks, lunch and dinner, and had a lot of stops to stretch my legs, there are about 250 dvds to watch to pass the time. Once the 2k are planted Dr H comes back to make more incisions, you get a clicker to count every hundred he is making so you know you are getting what you pay for unlike my previous experience where no counting is done. That was pretty much how the rest of day panned out with Dr H coming back to make more incisions and then the girls planting. Things were looking good and I was told that there should be enough grafts to together with my hair characteristics to cover the entire top of my head!! After 14 hours in the chair I had a grand total of 4850 grafts being a mixture of singles into my hairline and around the previous grafts in my crown , mainly doubles and also some 3's aswell. I was totally blown away by my graft count as I never in a million years believed it would be this high, I had been hoping for 3k with a outside chance of getting nearer four at the most, I wanted to soften my hair line and cover up my pluggy appearance and fill in the totally bald areas in my bridge were no previous work was done, but to be able to cover my head totally is just awesome. I don't know the exact cm2 density, its not dense packed, but it is around 50 into the hairline and 20-30 working back into my crown but with my coarse hair and slight wave plus the previous work we are all really confident of a great look when it grows in. When you leave you are given painkillers, antibiotics, baseball cap, pillow covers, shampoo, staple remover etc in a goodie bag. The next day I returned to have my hair washed. I am now day 6 post op and home, the redness is fading and I am applying aloe vera gel as of today (thanks guys) and starting to take msm again, I have noticed that the donor area although tight and still numb in places is not as painful as I remember it being, before I couldn't sleep on the scar for at least 2 weeks, this time I have had only slight discomfort in sleeping on the scar ( a few painkillers soon soughts that out, which is good as the scar is ear to ear, and I would have to sleep standing up top avoid putting any pressure on it).Whilst out there I picked up 10 months supply of Proscar, I will start taking this shortly which hopefully will add to my overall result. Thanks for reading guys the above is a light hearted take on my experiences, lifes too short to be bitter and twisted about what I have been through, its not healthy to be angry for ever. I have been really been through the bad times HT wise in the UK and now have put that right. The truth will be in the result and I am now very optimistic about the future and wish I could fast forward to 4 months to start seeing the results come in. Thank you to all who post their experiences and pics on these sites, without you this decision would have been much, much harder to make, it is because of you that I am posting in the hope that I can help other people not make the wrong decisions. To recap 1996 450 grafts Dr May 1997 500 grafts Dr Norton 1998 600 grafts Dr Norton 2006 4850 grafts Hasson and Wong This post was written 4 weeks ago to the day
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