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People in this very forum have complained of side effects -- I don't understand how the few patients who have used it here have had side effects while none of the 700 they used did.

Yeah, this is the main thing to me. There's not enough of a sample size.

Hi, I'm considering ordering Hasson's topical fin. 2.5% just makes no sense to me, as it's equivalent to taking a 25 mg pill per day. Although less of it may go systemic, I can't imagine less than 5 mg going systemic, which is significantly more than the 1 mg dose. It's difficult to microdose, given that you need to apply it across your scalp. I've never seen any other provider (be it Hims, Happy Head, Strut, etc) provide more than 0.25%.

Seems that we fundamentally disagree, but you're not understanding the crux of the issue. In an ideal world, we'd have researchers working on this. But, as I've said multiple times, since hairloss is considered to be a cosmetic condition, the government doesn't give many grants nor does it mandate insurers to cover this. Therefore, scientists don't have the funds to pursue research. Therefore, in this imperfect world, the next best choice are hair transplant doctors. And hair loss doctors understand the mechanism of hair loss a lot better than you think -- without a good understanding, they wouldn't be able to prescribe meds.

Ideally, we'd have a plethora of researchers working in this space. However, unlike most other medical conditions, androgenic alopecia has very little funding, so researchers don't have the money they need to conduct research. This is why I ask if HT surgeons, who actually have money for this, should step up.

A lot of surgeons claim to be doing research, but I haven't actually seen the tangible results of their research.

I'm curious if doctors should have the ethical obligation to pursue hairloss research. Unlike most other conditions, androgenic alopecia is the one rare condition that affects so many people but isn't classified as a "disease" because of its cosmetic impact (even though conditions like acne or malocclusion are). Therefore, it receives almost no funding via government grants or via companies because it's not covered by insurance. Dr. Barghouthi is graciously undergoing research currently and being extremely public about it, despite the research not making him any money. I feel like if all doctors were to put in a couple hours a week, be it doing research or trialing FDA approved drugs off-label, like the new one Follicle Thought just wrote about, we'd find much better treatments in just a couple of years.

I was wondering if OM created permanent hypertrichosis. The research papers I've read suggest that it doesn't; however, anecdotally (such as through r/minoxbeards where people apply minoxidil to their beards), the majority of people say their body hair gains stay once the hair reaches terminal. These anecdotal reports make more sense as there is no DHT miniaturizing the body hair follicl.es.

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Am curious if this can replace the need for medication if it ends up regrowing hair, as it'd basically be hair cloning at that point, right?

I've seen great results from Hattingen for FUT. Sethi, Pittella, and Zarev are additionally good for FUT.

Perhaps we can further dilute the solution ourselves -- $95 a month is too much for me anyways, so if I can dilute it to maybe 0.5% finasteride, I could make it last 5 months.

I wasn't a huge fan of oral fin, so I wanted to try H&W's topical formulation. However, I noticed that it's a 2.5% formula. That means that there's 25 mg worth of fin per 1 ml. Even though there's liposomes and other ingredients, I'm very scared putting 25 mg of fin on my body when 5 mg has been the highest tested orally through clinical trials. Hasson's trials showed that their topical is safe, but it's such a large amount of fin and only one trial that I'm not sure if I can be comfortable with it. Would they be willing to release a 0.025% version as well?

I think we need to have a separate list for FUT and FUE.

Would appreciate learning if they plan making it cheaper any time soon. $100 a month is a lot.

I'm a NW5 I'd say, so I definitely can't hide it. I tried fin, minoxidil, LLLT, microneedling, and nizoral. Still lost significant ground over the years I took them (went from NW4 -> NW5 over 2 years).

+1 for Zarev and Bloxham

Do you think this applies for young balders/people going to NW7 as well?

The point being that I would only pay Zarev level prices for someone who invests that much time into me. I've heard of the doctors from the big name clinics just spending under 15 minutes designing your hairline, doing incisions, and dipping to meet their next patient.

Soni, Bicer (maybe), Pittella, Barghouthi, Yaman, etc. They're doctors who are rightfully brought up on this forum, but just not talked about as much b/c of lack of marketing and size (i.e. Eugenix, Hasson and Wong, etc)

I suppose, but personally, when I can have access to a top quality doctor for $1.50 a graft, I personally wouldn't choose to pay $8 a graft for a marginal improvement, unless I had a Dr. like Zarev who does all the work himself, 3 hour long consultations, and two-three patients a week. I have other things I need to use that money for. To each his own, I suppose.

Yeah, I guess my broader point was that this forum should aid in that. I feel like the same couple of expensive names with good marketing are recommended in this forum, rather than a lot of affordable hair transplant doctors with worse advertising but similar/better results. If I wanted to fall prey to marketing, I'd just go to instagram. But I go to this forum to find hidden gems who focus on their work first, and money and marketing afterwards (Zarev, for example).

I’ve recently been looking at hair transplant prices and they seem exorbitant in the US (and even worldly across top HT clinics). Assuming a doctor works 3 weeks less than all weekdays (261), they’re working 240 days. Let’s assume they, on average, do around 10k FUE grafts a day across several patients and charge $8 a graft. This means they make close to $20 million a year. Isn’t that unreasonably high? And it doesn’t have to be this way -- countries with top tier doctors, say India or Turkey, still only charge $1-$2 a graft (bicer, Yaman, soni), leading them to make around $4 million, which is still a hefty wage. Other plastic surgery specialities in the US (i.e. top rhinoplasty doctors) make similar to $5 million before fees as well. There’s obviously a lot of fees in HT especially Ie staffing, marketing, OR fees, but not enough to justify a $16 million dollar difference. I’d still imagine the HT surgeon takes home 50% of the money. Even if my ballparks are off, they shouldn't be so off to distract from my point. Do you think top doctors are taking it too far? This especially applies in countries like India where cost of living is significantly cheaper, yet some doctors are charging US prices.