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  1. As consulted by HLC my procedure would take up to 3 co consecutive days (3000-3500 for the frontal and temporal, 800-1000 for the crown). Any risk I should be aware of?
  2. I'm also doing my very intensive research. It's been a long time I'd been stuck between these two Demirsoy or HLC. I have the budget to go to HLC but I'm not yet there to be convinced to pay double the price not knowing really if the results would be different. I have good thick hair so both can handle a great procedure, moreover we're now talking about excellent Drs, so either or we're in good hands. Once I'm convinced about the survival rate and that's not very different between these two I wouldn't hesitate going to Demirsoy. There're excellent results on the German forum coming from both HLC and Demirsoy.
  3. Let say when making a comparison, Pekiner's result should impress you double since he charges double. Anyone knows any Dr doing manual extraction charging less than 2€? The answer is simply NO... So at this stage you might think there should be a great difference in the result of different methods... But is there?! Simultaneously, don't let this business of different methods bla bla make you fall into paying a lot more while you're not sure if result would really be any different, when there's no scientific proof about which method is the best... Instead see who can use his method the best. That's unfortunately the most important thing none of us knows when it comes to technicalities. We just rely on what we hear here and there. But prove it to yourself first by observation and comparison. If you're happy with everyone's hairline design (Demirsoy, Pekiner, HLC) then the only last bullet of higher-priced ones (Pekiner, HLC) is the graft survival.. Put picture of 3 people receiving almost same number of graft with almost the same hair type characteristics. Compare the yield. Do you see a difference?? Do this for several cases.
  4. There'd be no PRP. Each day they'll do up to 1700 graft (manual extraction), hence 3 days, and I assume each day they have to inject new anaesthetic (isn't it the case?)
  5. I'd like to know how to prevent potential post-op swelling. Does sleeping in a 45 degrees position with a neck pillow help? My process would take up to 3 days and each day they'll inject new anaesthesia. How'd it look like the 4th day? What was your experience?
  6. Great pal! I have some questions about Demirsoy: 1. Was he (or prob his technician) using a magnifier instead of a microscope to separate the grafts after extractions? 2. You didn't do the crown area, right? Did he recommend the crown to be done in the same session, first they sent you the online consultation? 4. Was he dividing extractions to chunks and implanting them or all in one go? 5. Did he say by any chance why he's not doing manual extraction anymore?
  7. If you wana compare a mesh baseball cap with a bucket hat, which one would be the best? (afraid of flat hat closeness) I'm a bit concerned about the breathability.
  8. Wouldn't a flat cap be a bit hot and lack air circulation? Isn't that bad for the recipient area?
  9. Which type of hat you'd suggest to wear after one week of surgery? Mesh baseball cap?
  10. I'm doing research about HLC in Ankara. Would be thankful if anyone who knows anything about this clinic share his knowledge. Seems like there are not a lot of people going there and I don't understand why, although their price range is similar to top Drs in Turkey and quality seems at high professional level.
  11. New day in my path towards choosing a doctor: I've now leaned back for a while, contemplating a bit more on my decision. Was suggested by a famous guy on the net who helps poor people like us with his advices (guess who ;)) to think about HLC as well. Dr Ozgur is working there. Their results look very good (specifically the hairline doesn't look very round!). They're doing manual and 1500 grafts per dar (ethical). 2.43€ per graft. Everything seems at its highest. However don't know yet how much of the work is done by whom. Seems a place full of different unfamous doctors plus Ozgur. I've come to the point to say the huge price gap between HT places is just about the extraction method (makes the major difference) and the amount of work Dr is involved in. Was quoted by Dr Demirsoy between 3500-4000 grafts in one day via micromotor. Yet, I've not got recovered from the fear of "what the heck?!, 4000 grafts, micromotor, all in one day, front, top, crown?! Seriously?! Kidding or killing my grafts intentionally or being interested in permanent shock loss in my crown area?!". If I could just trust this doctor and his new trend of only-motorized method a bit more, I wouldn't hesitate (no one wants to pay 4000€ more for the same result). Still running like a headless chicken welcoming your thoughts...
  12. Juts listened to Karadeniz explanation in regards to manual vs motorized. Interesting! He makes 3 reasons that say exactly other way round that motorized is theoretically better than manual. These are the reasons; 1. "In manual rotation of hand cause fatigue hence might reduce efficiency of extraction with doing it faster." 2. "when rotating the pen in the manual technique, your rotation angle is not straight and is wobbling as a natural consequence of your arm movement which if not done by a expertise could damage the follicles. Motorized doesn't lack there." 3."Needing to have more pressure on the pen via manual might change the direction of hair when extracting. Sharp pen in motorized need less pressure if no." He mentions one advantage of manual however: 1. "manual need an experienced Doc who knows. So techs cannot do that and HT business can not cancer-ly grow". Totally agree, makes a lot of sense. But when a Doc who is able to do both uses motorized your're not talking about technicians anymore, then what's wrong with that? Let's not forget that some drs don't do dense packing so maybe that's why result doesn't look that full. Price wise, a Doc using motorized with less price could do manual, be exhausted more and charge more like others, I don't see the point.
  13. But drs can regulate the price they want to charge!? Isn't it the case? If you notice among the well known drs (at least in Turkey) there is a price difference and this is coming from the amount of work that dr is involved in personally. Although, can't deny some of the expensive ones are making money just from their popularity while techs do their mega sessions (you know who I mean). Your argument about manual punch over motorized still makes sense to me. I can't find any reason about invention of motorized rather than doing more and more grafts. Can't argue how a motorized could improve results more than manual.
  14. That kinda scares me a bit. Is that a proven statement? I don't know many who are doing manual; just Pekiner and Keser. But I kinda guess that also huge price different is coming from there.
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