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The market is not huge and this stuff will give you sides anyway. You guys really need to understand how 5ar is working, it is not all about DHT suspression. It is a mix of failed Progestogene metabolism and higher t/e imbalances.

And here we go again, the big announcements... Scientifically, if you suffer from ED and/or Neurological sides even on 0.2mg per day, you will not get away with this kind of treatment. Last time they said they have liposomal fin, and they delivered liposomal+fin instead. The hype is on fire and will drop after the first people reports sides. And if you don't suffer from sides, take the oral fin.

This is a quite professional answer on criticism @Melvin- Moderator Waiting for the day you will try so your "gold standard" treatment and quitting it after 30 days because of sides. Stop the hypetrain, it is not as good as you think.

@Melvin- Moderator Oh well they said personal to me "It doesn't have any side effects", as I asked them about the old formulation! Turns out it was not liposomal finasteride, instead it was liposomal + finasteride. It is just extreme expensive with no advantages. Also putting 25mg/ml is kind of unethical! We will see, this is obviously not the gold standard, just another cash cow. I am pretty sure that this formular again, will deplete Allopregnanolone besides 1/3 of systemically DHT reduction. Calling that stuff "gold standard" is really a misleading term. An topical anti androgen which will be destroyed if it hits the bloodstream, would be a gold standard.

Here we go again, H&W is telling us that they have there new topical without any Side Effects, because of their magical new Solution. I am a bit of concerned, because they already told us the same stuff about there liposomal stuff, which was indeed not what they told us it is! I had done blüdwork with that liposomal BS, turned out that my DHT was even lower than with 1mg oral. So @Melvin- Moderator I was not able to watch the whole Video, do they have medical evidence with bloodwork this time or is it just Blabla?

Ofc you can

I would to the following: Get off Fin for a month now, to get your mind a bit calmed. You are using forhims, this might be the 0.1 or 0.05 solution (UK and US) differs. Mix it up with Minoxidil liquid version, so you get a 0.025percent solution, this solution is stable and still potent. Apply it every second day for the first month and see how it gets, if good try to use it every day. I also suggest using a dropper(1ml) over the spray application. Fin has a very high bioavailability and besides Minoxidil it does not need to get converted to its active form.

Not to mention: you don't have a second shot OP, if your donor is messed up, you are messed up as well.

The problem with Balwi is: You don't know who is operating (So how do you know, if the result will be good or not?), they have sometimes just travlers who attend the operation. And for sure, Dr.Balwi is NOT attending the Operation. All my alarms go on !!!

Balwi is also no good choice! You need a doctor with a team!!!!

And another user was saved from a butchered hair transplant. You don't have a second shot if your first transplant will be messed up and your donor might be destroyed. Better go for a first shot for the hairline and then save a bit money and get crown work done. I like all the mentioned clinics, although Dr.Bicer's and Demisroy's didn't convinced me that much in the nearer past.

Looks fantastic, never thought they would go in such a Gigasession FUE, but they have enough staff there to handle this amount. I had a FUT 5200 Grafts session with Hattingen and had the pain of my life but everything turned out nicely. happy growing!

Insane, also drinked 2x0.1ml and had heavy swelling in the face, taper down again to 0.5mg

Moreover I popped my final pill Utrogest/Progesterone sublingual now, will come back next week and give a conclusion.

I have considered it, look at my top post. I did a very deep dive in 5ar1/2 inhibitors. The thing is, it will go systemical, the bioavailability of FIN is pretty pretty high, this stuff is really a powerful treatment, even with the low dosages. It's like androcur/CPA you can split the pill in hundret parts, it will still be effective. I saw your videos with Hasson and Wong, and I doubt they will ever get a treatment done based on FIN/DUT which will 'have no side effects'. They said this also about their liposomal stuff in the past, which turned out as bullshit. There has been bloodtests done... So far: If you suffer from sides like I mentioned, the only thing you can really do about it is to fire up your Progesterone levels to get Allopregnanolone levels set.

@Gatsby I just opened a new thread with all I experienced while taking fin.

Ahoi there, So this is my story. Started to loose hair with 19 and was a NW5 since age of 23 (2nd Pic). So hairloss seems to runs very aggressiv. I started FIN first in 2017 until 2019 where I got my 5200 FUT grafts with Hattingen Hair. I need to admire that I felt heavy sides on the second day using it, I felt strong ball pain and also felt tired and dizzy as hell. I pushed my self to use it, even if I had still severe sides, I felt dizzy, exhausted, ill all these years which finally left we with depressions. I could also hardly sleep, and even I get 8 full hours of it, I felt like I had a hangover. Nevermind my Low libido and ED as well the heavy reduction in ejaculate (like only one small drop). So I stopped Fin in 2019, I began to feel very very good and everything went back to normal within 3 months. Now 2021 came across to say hello, and even if I feel pretty stable as a NW5a with high sides (pictures are away like 7 years now!) I want to get a little touch up in the crown and hairline. But we all want to protect what we have. So I just started to do a bit more research in January, turns out like 3 times 1mg seems to be a good deal for people with sides. So I started with it and all the sides came back within 4 weeks, felt totally off... Since then I tried everything even lowering to 3*0.25mg per week, nothing really helped. Asked also, as we are in contact from time to time, who encouraged me to try a low amount of Dut. Which gave me heavily panik attacks (I never had them before). 2 months ago I took a break and tried topicals in multiple variations: 2.5 percent liposomal down to 0.025. Feels like sides take longer to appear, but they came into my life as well. Well you could now say: "Bro this is all in your head". But the small drop semen which comes out of my penis would Proof you wrong. I am just super super sensitive to 5ar inhibitors. I am in contact with a lot of guys which are totally fin, so this is not a fin bashing thread in any way. Over the last weeks I get sceptical and tired to figure out, what is exactly happening in my body, because sides like brain fog and anxiety, seems to be very rare. As I did my research I figured out, that 5ar is not only there to convert T to DHT, it is also there to convert Progestogene to DHP, which will be finally metabolised into Allopregnanolone. Which is one of the most powerful neurosteroide in the Brain. So if Allo is inhibited, the mentioned sides will typically occur. So there is a lot of stuff possible, I could have less 5ar enzymes in my body or even a low level of Progesterone. My plan is now to take 100mg Progesterone sublingual to get more of it into my system so some not inhibited 5ar and the most important 5ar1 in the brain will have more Progesterone to bind to. IHMO this will solve the mental issues I have. I will start next week and keep you updated if my plan is working or not. See you soon!

One thing first: Topical Fin and Dut are not topical Anti Androgens, RU, CB, Fluridil are. Even if you apply them topical they are still 5ar inhibitors. I have severe sides on oral Fin even 0.25mg MWF. So I tried to switch to topicals like 2.5 FIN topical liposomal even until 0.025 and also topical Dut. All of them give me heavy sides and they will go systemical. Even as we think of the molecular size of Dut is over 500.

Dear guys, thank you for all your answers. In my case, I took Finasteride now for 2 Year, each day 1.25mg daily. On the first day I had heavy testicle itches and tiredness and brain fog kicked in on the second day like very heavy. In conclusion, side effects were always heavy but I ignored them mostly until the day when everything crashed and be very scared of using finasteride again. There have been days without it and I can say that everything is getting better than, my mood on finasteride is more mood and scared. So taking this drug with all of this side effects was very dumb, but I told my self it's nocebo like most people did until my men boobs starting to grow and it's not fat but heavy tissue. I had also asked Dr.Muresanu and he advised to try a lower dosage, so I tried since: - 1mg EOD - 0.6mg Daily - 0.05% and 0.1% Topical own mixed Finasteride and Minoxidil Sides were always present. The sides which effect me most are not libido or ed (which is present, too), it's more like: Brain Fog, Depressions/Bad Mood. I am working as a programmer and on some days brain fog is heavy, I am looking at my own written code, and i can't just comprehend, it looks like strings of characters instead of mean code. If this will continue I guess, I will lose my job. Dear Melvin, I had looked at your results and they are very impressive either you are not on finasteride. BUT: I don't know where I am heading to, my hair loss starts with 18 YO and I was an NW4a with 23, crown developed since. So I don't know my parents or grandparents, neither anyone of my family I can't tell if I will be a FULL BLOWN NW6 with sunk sided and a crown falling very deep, how do I know? If I look at older guys more then NW4 I don't see much NW5 moreover NW6s. This all left me scared. Anyway, I hope from my pictures, you can see, that my clinic and I was going the very conservative way. Now since 3 days without any medications but minoxidil(5% once a day) and ket (2 times a week), I am thinking about getting on RU instead, what do you think? Thank you in advance!

Hello there,I am in a very Bad Situation. I had a Haitransplant in February with one of the best clinics (ihmo), Hattingen Hair in Switzerland.I had 5200 Grafts with a 2.40 Ratio. So Finasteride worked well for me with minor Sites, stopping Hair Loss totally with No regrowth.In these Last two monts I had a Bad Change:Zero LibidoEDBrain Fog Growing TitsEye ProblemsTesticles HurtsI need to quit with Finasteride and now I find myself in a very bad Situation about my Future.I am 28 years old, Hair Loss Kicked in early and iam a NW5 since 24yo.I am very scared that Sides and Back will dip down and i May not be able to Cover ist, as a NW6 is hard to handle.Cant Tell anything about my relatives, never used to know them.My Donor might be able to Provide 4000 more Grafts with FUT and Fue,I guess.What do you think?Do you have any advices, what I can do now in this Situation?Thank you in advancePics attachedhttps://imgur.com/a/FHFHvrG

Hello, i've looked on many cases of Dr.Demisroy, as much germans on the forum I am usually in, go to him. there some really good resulsts but there are also some very bad ones, too. The work of Dr.Demisroy is not really constant in my point of view. Dr.Demisroy is fine if you are a clear NW3 so a not as successfull HT can be manageable but in your case I can't recommend Dr.Demisroy. If it is turkey, where you want to go take a look at HLC, too.

Hello guys and thank you for your great concern! @delancey Thanks a lot for you advices, it gives me some courage, that i could maybe if everything works fine, the crown could also be adressed in the future and of course I will stick with my medicine treatment and be careful to do nothing rash. About the doctors, I have done my research about 1 year now, and I am really fine to stick with both doctors; contacting Hattingen Hair is really really hard, because he do all of his consultation and communication by his own, but that's something I really sorrow about, I've wrote to him a week a go and no answer, with dr. Devroy I had a skype call, and I can reach him very well. @Castillo I am not really agree, If I adress front and mid scalp with 5000 grafts and the crown expands, maybe the donor wont be able to be harvested that much anymore, what do you think? @newpatient99 Thank you, something like the hair line you posted would be a dream for me, imagine, Iam walking with no Hairline since my early 20th, so I dont bother with conservative hairlines, moreover i like them more then "straight" ones. @Melvin-Moderator This is something, I still thinking about, the guys from Hattingen Hair (I think they are very close to Hasson and Wong, even Joe Tillman is saying that) do get some serious Graft amount per Max-Strip with avg about 4000-4500 Grafts. In my case I think I have a morely small had, so I have to be avg or less. please delete if not wanted) As Dr.Devroy has morely strips with 3,5K Grafts. So there is the question, what is better; Hattingen is behind the theory, that a Max Strip with 4k or more and than a 2k strip and after all a 1k FUE would provide the most graft yield, they also say that the skin laxety will dramatically decrease with the first strip surgery. As I am also very young and cant tell if the current Hair situation wont drastical change, I am not sure if I should keep the max Strip method in my mind. Maybe ther're also some negative points about such a massive strip surgery? Hope my english is good enough, If you dont understand my remarks, please don't hestiate to ask, so i would describe it more detailed. I also like to mention, that this decision is some of the improtant ones of my life, so i dont take it that easy. Thank you in advance.

Hello delancey thank you for your reply. I think you're right with the NW5a pattern, sides and back does not seem to be affected at the moment. The problem in here is, that I don't have/know any of my 'family members', so there is no indicator for me, unfortantly. But I have an Image attached, where you can see my current status (left) and the status mostly 3 and a half year before. IHMO its stable with Fin and Minox now. According to the Strip arguments, you mentioned: On the one hand, I like more long hair 2-6cm long, I tried short hair and it doesnt really fit in, so I don't see any problems with the Strip but on the other hand, if I will grow to a NW7 or something like this, it would bother me a lot. The other thing is; maybe I can get out my donor 5k Grafts FUE without thinning out my doner to heavy. But what if the crown expands and I would also need some additional 2k Grafts? With FUT it could be possible, with FUE it could be a bit tricky. There is also to mention, that I would save with Dr.Devroy about 2k€ with the combo instead of the max strip of hattingen (4500 grafts). Do you think I should also involve this argument in my decision, if I perhaps get similar results? I also have one more question, as I have such thin hair but a good hair/skin contrast, do you think I am a difficult case because of my thin hair? Best, jan

Hello there! Iam 27years old, from Germany. My hair loss has been kicked in very early in the age of 19, with 22 i have lost my whole hair line, In the age of 24 most have been lost. Iam on treatments (Fin + Minox) since 1 1/2 year and hair loss has stopped with some regrowth. Now I have saved 14k€ and I feel ready to go for a hair transplant. I've spoken with some doctors which I can afford: -Hattingen Hair (Switzerland) -Dr. Devroy (Belgium) -Asmed(Turkey) They told me to be a good candidate, from photos. I have also some realistic expections: A conservative Hairline and hoping to cover the crown with a slight destiny. From know I dont know which Doctor i should choose: - Hattingen Hair does very good FUT work with megasessions, but the hair lines doesnt match my favor. - Dr.Devroy is considering me to do a combo, if I want to have a Strip (he sees me a good FUE only candidate, too...) - Asmed tells me to be a good candidate for FUE (but they do FUE only ;) ) Can you help me a bit out, I've done my homework and research but I dont know who to choose. Thank you in advance!