True

Hey, just wondering...did you get Milena Lardi's Tricho-pigmentation?  Did the ink disappear COMPLETELY or did it only fade?

Good luck on the transplant!

5 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Here’s a hack, apply the dermmatch on thick, wash it out with conditioner not shampoo, it will still be on your scalp. So it won’t go so fast.

I'm sorry, Melvin.  I don't quite understand.  Are you saying that I should apply a lot of DermMatch, wash (most of it out) and then style what's left-over on my scalp?

4 hours ago, JST07 said:

I know this isn't the answer that you're looking for but, the DermMatch original product lasts quite a long time.

Might seem pricy but it's worth it in my opinion. 

Totally agree.

DermMatch is awesome.

I saw a woman using eye-shadow to cover bald spots.

Can anyone recommend a DermMatch imitation product that costs less?

I guess there isn't a single person on this forum who can say that their Trichopigmentation disappeared completely.

Does anyone know the typical transection rate of FUS vs FUE?

Great!  How much?

1 hour ago, Gatsby said:

The main way ink is broken down is by the liver. Tricho is inject to a more shallow depth than SMP. If you have it lasered to remove the ink it is actually 'shattered' by fraxelation. To be honest I would only recommend SMP as an adjunct to camouflaging FUE/FUT scars along with treating other scars and various forms of alopecia. It's quite common now for people having it done to mimic a beard!!

Are you saying that you would not recommend SMP or Trichopigmentation for a Norwood 6 scalp?

The only reason I'm on the fence about Tricopigmentation is because I'm not convinced it will disappear on its own 100%

I have yet to hear of a single case where the ink disappeared 100% after a few years.

PLEASE, tell me that I'm wrong.

I'm so interested in this procedure but I don't want the ink to last on my scalp forever.😞

Laser is not an option for me if the ink does not disappear on its own.

On 11/23/2020 at 7:03 PM, amsterdam2zurich said:

Hello guys. Great forum!

I'm gonna get smp in the uk and my research tells me that the best three places are Brandwood (Paul Clark), Skalp,  and Vinci. These last two also always appear at the top of search lists. I just wanted to ask if anyone has stories to tell about any of these places and if they can recommend any particular practitioner at Skalp or Vinci. I've been looking through the forums but there's not so much info on them as far as I can tell. I will absolutely detail my story on this forum. Probably it begins January. 

What I'm gonna do is go for a patch test first, I think that's a pretty good idea. 

Also, after researching on inks, it seems that these days only organic ink or synthetic-organic ink is used (whatever that last one is!), and not the old style tatoo ink which can change colour. I can't get a handle on whether organic is best or synthetic organic, so I thought I'd ask if anyone has an expert opinion. 

btw has anyone had face micro pigmentation?

Why would you put a tattoo on your scalp?

The tattoo will fade, probably change colors, and end up in your lymph nodes.

11 hours ago, smurf said:

thanks!

 

yea i crossed off Turkey. I was almost about to go to asmed in turkey but i thankfully found this forum. Konior and Nadami. Also getting an online consultation from H&W

Hasson & Wong are probably as good as anyone on earth.

On 11/10/2020 at 10:55 PM, smurf said:

Like this post says, I am a NW 2-3 and looking at a couple of options for HT. Since I live in chicagoland I have been talking to Dr. Konior and Dr. Nadami and they are priced on the high end. Other options are Turkey and Korea but I am less excited at the propsect of 14 day quarintine and the risk of surgery and recovery out of the country. Any advice from you all?

Look up Joe Tillman's list of recommended doctors. 

Dr. Cooley and Dr. Kornier are on Joe Tillman's list.

12 hours ago, Gatsby said:

I don't believe there is any scarring with either tricho or SMP. I was told by a tricho practitioner that the 'possibility' is scarring. I'm not saying that's fact.

I'm still looking for someone to tell me:

* Has your Tricho disappeared 100%?

* With Tricho, where does the ink go after disappearing from the scalp?

* Does anyone have proof that the titanium dioxide and other pigments in Trichopigmentation are "encapsulated in a semi-siliconic membrane, which are eventually 'explelled' by the macrophages in the body?"

On 11/26/2020 at 2:55 AM, Gatsby said:

In terms of the breaking down of the pigment, it's actually the liver that does all the hard work on anything foreign above the dermis. Other variable like the sun bleaching out the results also play a role. In short, one of the biggest differences between micropigmentation and SMP is the needle depth to which the ink is applied (as too is a 'normal' tattoo which enters even deeper into the dermis). The range and types of inks used today have come a long way. As I have always said, research SMP as you would a hair transplant. Their are pro's and con's in both SMP and trichopigmentation. The benefit of tricho obviously is that if it's turns out that it's not for you, then the commitment to it is not long. Also as you age you can adjust the hairline accordingly too. That said, I've been told by an excellent artist that there is a theory that the more touch ups required with tricho can result in tiny scars forming, due to higher rate of needle use over time. This is still a young, albeit fast evolving industry, in real terms and it will be interesting to see what lies hold in the future.

I doubt about there being any scarring with Trichopigmentation since the needle does not penetrate deeper than the reticular dermis (upper dermis).

Thank you for all the responses.

I understand that depleting the donor area would be creating another bald area on the scalp but that look is in!  LOL

Especially if the punch size is 0.9 or less, wouldn't the scar tissue be difficult to see on a white scalp?

If I'm a Norwood 6. 

Is it possible for a doctor to deplete my entire donor area via FUE with a small punch size (to make the FUE scar as small as possible?)

I would like most of my donor hair to be transplanted to my crown.

I can shave the sides and back.

On 11/13/2020 at 9:45 AM, Ron5566 said:

Hey Aaron,

 

Of course not, my only goal is to keep my sides and do a little transplant (about 700 grafts) in the hair temple points.

I will NEVER be able to get 20% of the Destiny that I want with HT and I am aware but because my donor/sides are effected I am trying to find a solution for my genes. With hair piece I live my self perfectly fine, no one knows I am wearing (Transferred from Toppik to hair piece) and I do it my self so maintenance is cheap and easy.

People are looking to keep their hairlines/crown etc, I just want my sides 🤣😭

What type of hair system do you wear?

I would love to hear from anyone who has had their Temporary SMP COMPLETELY disappear.

On 4/24/2020 at 6:19 AM, Zoomster said:

4 MONTH UPDATE 

Hi Guys ..just to quickly recap ..my procedure was performed by Dr Sethi and his team over 3 days end Dec last year .

Dr Sethi designed the hairline .made all the incisions ,and implanted the hairline

Dr Arika and Dr Alook were involved in the extractions throughout the 3 days (about 20%)...and I have to say I’m absolutely over it the moon with how things are turning out so far considering I’m only at the 4 month mark..I’m told I can look forward to more and more density and coverage over the coming months which is an absolutely beautiful feeling for a chap like myself battling hair loss since my early 20s

I uploaded a couple of pics Of me at a shopping mall 15 Jan and back to work 20 Jan to display the benefits of the DHT technique that Eugenix use over conventional FUE...the healing is super fast as I think you’ll appreciate from the pics....to sum it up best ..DHT = Speed

fast implantation of grafts ;fast healing ;fast growth ...

My daily regime has been ;

1.25mg proscar 3 times a week MWF

3000 mg MSM

2 x hair bust vits packed with goodies such as biotin,zinc,selenium,iron etc

High protein diet including  2 fruit packed smoothies

Try and get 2 litres of water in each day

and my secret little weapon is a massaging of organic cold pressed avocado oil each night ..I’ve been doing this since day 14 .:.packed with nourishment for hair shaft and scalp

It also appears to have darkened my hair both native and recipient

 I know their are more pressing matters across the globe at the moment and part of me feels quite churlish about uploading a photo laden and Long winded progress post about ones hair but another part of me thinks now is the time that a lot of hair loss sufferers will be knuckling down to do some intensive research 

take your time ..do your research carefully 

then contact Eugenix.... they really are one of the best in my humble opinion.. particularly so if you're a high Norwood. 

Any feedback or questions don’t hesitate to ask ..

I will update again soon 

Z

Wow!

Who knew Pete Townsend went to Eugenix!😊

Just kidding, mate!

Looks great!

8 hours ago, kirkland said:

@True

Pigments break down in the epidermis over time but not evenly. If you consider a regular tattoo as a comparison as to how it ages over time and how it can be touched up at a later date, this will give you an understanding of what will happen with your SMP. It will fade and the sharp edges of the 'dots' will blur, creating more of a shadow than distinct points on the skin. There is nothing wrong with the blending of the dots into a shadow because it can  still provide the illusion of hair fullness when not observed very close up. A touch-up, which would re-create new, sharp dots over the 'shadow', is also not a bad thing because, from further away, it just looks like greater hair volume in the area.The color of certain pigments used in SMP can tone-shift over time, going from black to green which is why you want to go with a reputable SMP artist who uses the proper pigments for this procedure.  

At the end of it all, if you tire of the look or (fingers crossed), new topicals come online which have better success at, the very least, of thickening the crown, then you can just have the whole thing lasered off. Hope that is of help to you.

Thanks!

I'm seriously considering Trichopigmentation with Milena Lardi pigments, but I really need to understand the exact mechanism by which the pigment is deposited, and eventually expelled by the body.

I contacted many sources, but nobody seems to understand exactly how long the ink lasts, whether it is really only 15 microns in particle size, whether it is filtered, centrifuged or encapsulated in a semi siliconic membrane or whether it goes into the lymph nodes or is expelled by the body somehow.

In regards to laser, I rather avoid that route.  The whole point of Trichopigmentation was its temporary pigments.

On 10/15/2020 at 11:44 AM, kirkland said:

As I have stated in a recent post, I had SMP done 5.5 years ago with the Milena Lardi pigments. Part of the treated area was removed by laser but the remaining pigment is still visible. If the immune system is meant to remove the pigments naturally in the timeline that Milena Lardi claims, I don't believe it.

Kirkland, 

Let's say that I recieve 10,000 ink dots if I undergo Trichopigmentation on my crown.  After a few years, will each and every dot fade or will some dots fade while other dots disappear completely?

I'm concerned with what happens after 10 years of touch-ups.  Does the practitioner ever touch up the Trico by putting new ink into a faded dot or will some dots have completely disappeared?  Do you think that after getting a touch up annually for 10-20 years that it may still look good?

Thanks!

I guess there's still a bit of confusion regarding how Trichopigmentation works.  Hopefully someone who understands the chemistry will opine.

Can anyone with a background in biochemistry please explain how Trichopigmentation particles are only 15 microns in size and can therefore pass through the macrophages of the body?

Does this mean that the particles are COMPLETELY expelled out of the body?

Thank you.

1 hour ago, kirkland said:

I noticed the redness about one day after the treatment.

In your opinion, would the Tricho eventually disappear to nothing on its own?

Can anyone vouch that their Trichopigmentation COMPLETELY disappeared after a certain amount of time?

Thanks!