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Look at another patient who has had around 3500 FUE grafts and look where the spread of extraction is. Then compare that pattern with the last picture you have posted above. If there is any cross over of the weak looking parts of your donor and the pattern of extraction, I would avoid. Good luck and let us know how it goes with your video consultations!

1) Which clinics? 2) If I had wanted this posted in your public thread, I would have posted it here myself. I don't like the public use of other people as examples of average or bad work, even if he did agree to be the face of the clinic. This is really bad form.

The risk is too high for me to either consider or recommend other people going there. I am genuinely glad he got a fantastic result though. He must be thrilled, as you say.

I honestly think if you go FUE you will regret it in a few years. It is not the right procedure for you, for reasons I outlined above. To cover that area of baldness, they will need to take grafts from all over your donor and the donor is patchy indicating miniaturisation there. FUE already has a higher transection rate and even if the grafts do survive, they will then be prone to continue miniaturising on top of your head. I would seriously consider FUT.

Some clinics, such as mine, use both as they both have pros and cons. Which clinic are you going to in India?

Why have you posted this in an English speaking forum when you don't speak English? It seems suspicious that you have joined a forum and your first posts are this video. It is almost like you have ulterior motives. Or maybe not. It still seems odd though...........

Great result! Congrats - how many grafts?

I haven't got involved in this debate in any other thread but this post is a bit silly.The arguments against ASMED that @Portugal25 highlighted are 1) that they threaten people with lawyers rather than standing by their work. This alone is bad. It shows a complete lack of ethics and a lack of willingness to standby their work. You personally have banned other clinics from posting here for getting lawyers involved when poor results have been posted, but I suppose they weren't paying the site 10k a month for protection. If anybody looked at this first point alone objectively then it should be enough to tell you all about the character of the clinic. Compare that with other clinics who stand by their work when a bad result is posted and try and fix the problem rather than silence the victim. A good example is the H&W case you got involved with recently. 2) The other argument is that they have too many techs and it is a hairmill. Of course some people will get good results. They haven't got rid of the old techs. The point he made is also a logical one - if you happen to get themore experienced team that made ASMED's name in the first place, you will get a good result. If you are unlucky enough to get one of the other 7-8 teams that also work there, you can flip a coin. 3) Then there is the risk game from a higher level. Given he is as/more expensive as clinics in Western Europe, which means complying with the legal and medical ethics that the EU brings, why would you risk going there, from 1 or 2 alone, but then taking account you have no legal guarantees? It is the Wild West in Turkey. I was in Istanbul earlier this year and the amount of people walking around with shit transplants, quite openly, is indicative of the lax laws for this sector there. So: 1) Adds to extra trauma of the victim by suing you should you get a bad result with him. This is after already dropping 10k+ with him; 2) Tech team roulette; 3) No protective legal/ethical framework He isn't saying you will definitely get a bad result there, he is saying there are significant factors that will make it harder or to get one and that will prevent anything being done afterwards should it not work out. It is a numbers game coupled with poor ethics. So all the patients who are saying they got good results so this must be universal is just silly. Also, the "doing a search thing" for good results - this drop in quality appears to be a relatively new trend at the clinic so the bad ones won't be coming out of the woodwork just yet. Give it another year or two though. This isn't the only major forum to have members noting this worrying new trend either by the way!

He didn't say. I asked and he said he would just prefer to do FUE on me and it wasn't the price either because he offered a discount. A lot of the European clinics started off as FUT and then moved to FUE. If you look at most of the top, well regarded clinics in Europe now they are either FUE only or offer both in theory but haven't done FUT in so long that it doesn't make sense to go with them for that procedure type. Feriduni does still do FUT as I have seen some recent FUT results, and they are still good, but I get the impression he prefers FUE procedures. I am of course. I have had an amazing result and it looks great but I, like most people, would prefer to lower it slightly so it slightly rounded when shaved right down. It is conservative, but it is conservative because I won't take meds so I need to keep the grafts in the bank, just in case. It is called "hair greed". It is when you have a great first op and you are looking for your second, everybody wants a lower hairline. I even set up a post asking about it but I won't be lowering it this time round, if at all. I decided last night. Wise choice!

No problem! The short answer is 3000, I think. The long answer is that Feriduni estmated my donor to have 7500 and he spent a good amount of time doing calculations and working out different scenarios etc. to see what density in my donor would be after in different areas of my head. I repeat: his reputation as an ethical doctor is in the God-like tier. I have had 4390 or whatever it was, if I have 3000 now that takes me to 7390 and then I can have 100-120 put into the scar taking me to 7500. However, the reason I went with Hattingen is that 1) Feriduni wouldn't do FUT on me and wanted to do FUE but I had decided on FUT by that point because I don't take meds and also because, conversely, there is less of an issue with scarring with FUT. Also although I liked the hairline he drew, the wanted to raise the hairline and I wanted it to start from where my forelock/tuft is on my pics, sacrificing the hairline shape if need be but he wouldn't budge and 2) Feriduni told me honestly about what he thought about some other clinics I was considering and he couldn't speak highly enough of Hattingen. I had already booked an in-person consultation with Hattingen having already had a Skype one and their reputation for world class FUT mega-sessions can only really be matched by H&W (the other clinic Feriduni waxed lyrical about). I really liked Sever and Laura (Hattingen is a husband-wife team clinic - both doctors and both are involved in different stages of the procedure)as people and had seen lots of their results online coupled with Feriduni's recommendation and there was a cancellation when I arrived for my consultation so I went for it. I never asked Hattingen what my total count was in the donor as the consultation with Feriduni was so good and thorough. Now I am looking at a second op, I am wondering if the 7500 estimate by Feriduni was general or FUE specific. i.e. would this figure be higher if I did just FUT. In which case I may get a third smaller one of 1000-1500 in the future to lower the hairline. I am going to Hattingen again for my final check-up when the travel ban is done with and will discuss it with him then. I was supposed to go last month but public health is more important so I changed my mind. tl;dr - 3000 but I may get a small, 3rd 1000-1500 procedure done in the future on my hairline, depending on the outcome of my consultations. The controversy surrounding the meds is growing in Europe more and more and I think there may even be a ban on them. The positive effects don't last forever either so what will you do then? Start taking even more unproven meds to keep up the positive effects on your hair? Not worth the risk in my opinion. They are powerful medicine and affect the endocrine system which testosterone is an important constituent part of in the male physiology, besides the obvious trousers department issues. There are no long term studies on the effects of the medication either. I also don't want to be a "slave" to meds - constantly having to worry about if I have enough and where I would source more from. I told all doctors I would not take them and some were not happy about it but c'est la vie. Feriduni agrees with me and said it was refreshing somebody had done research on it. He advised me to look up "post-finasteride syndrome" which is still being studied to understand completely. Sever asked me, I said no and mentioned the studies etc. and he agreed with me. When I went back a couple of weeks later for my staples to be taken out, he had done some research and spoken to a couple of his patients (top guy) and mentioned topical finasteride and that they had had good results from it. I still didn't want to take the risk and he accepted it (but I appreciated the effort). The simple fact is people on here saying "just take this" "just take that" are not doctors and certainly not endocrinologists. They don't know your medical history and haven't put you through any lab tests and wouldn't know how to interpret the results anyway, if they had done. The doctors that prescribe them are also not endocrinologists and are also looking at the issue,. in most cases, from a transplant perspective and not a holistic health one. Some doctors will not do transplants if you do not take them (Ximena Vila, for one) yet they don't do bloodwork or trial you on them first to test your compatibility with them. I have never asked an endocrinologist but I imagine if I did, they would agree with me. I went with a conservative hairline and opted to not take meds. Melvin, the forum moderator, was also a high NW and also does not take meds for similar reasons. tl;dr no long-term studies, not worth the risk, not having to plan my life around them

You will need about 6000 grafts/FUs. Each graft is like the "root" that then has hairs coming off it. Some grafts have 1 hair, some 2, some 3, some 4 and in rare cases you may get ones with 5s. The 1s are used in the hairline and the rest are used to give density elsewhere. You can tell a cheap HT when the patient has multi-hair grafts in the hairline. It looks like a solid wall you are met with when looking at their face. I am guessing you asked this question because of the price - yes, the price probably surprised you as you had previously been checking out Turkish clinics. You get what you pay for though. Also, although Hattingen does do procedures of up to 6,000 grafts, you would need very good laxity for that size. This is why I went with 4,500 and now need to go back for a second. It would have been cheaper per graft to do it one go but he said my laxity wouldn't let him go above 4,500.

Thanks! I spent about 3 years researching this and like you, also started out being convinced I wanted FUE and also got in touch with a couple of Turkish clinics. So glad I researched it all now.

If you get about 100-120 FUE grafts put into the scar down the line, you can shave it to a number 2 and it still be invisible. I specifically asked Hattingen about this in my consultation and I spoke to a patient on the same day as my surgery at the clinic who had had it done by him too. His scars are that good.

Go for the two we have mentioned to you! There is no obligation to go with them afterwards for the actual surgery. Their results are world class, they offer both procedure types and, the most important thing, they are very, very ethical. I made two trips. One to Belgium and visited about 4-5 clinics there, including Feriduni and another trip to Switzerland for Hattingen. If you are in doubt about those two because you are worried they may tell you FUT is the best option and you are scared of the scar, check out my scar on this link and also look at Conan's thread who is having repair work done at Hattingen too because of previous work by lesser clinics ruining his head. Learn from him. His scar from Hattingen is amazing too, they always are. There is also a repair job that has been posted, also FUT, by Feriduni on here the scar and work are amazing.

Again, I agree with @Portugal25 - you need a lot of grafts and you need to think about this carefully. Do not go to Turkey. You are latching onto any Turkish clinic because of price and that is the worst reason to choose a clinic. Save up more money and get this done properly. You need to go to a clinic with a world class reputation for quality and ethics that does both FUT and FUE and get their opinion with an in person consultation. You can't afford to get this wrong as you need so many grafts and have a finite donor. As you are in Europe, contact Feriduni's clinic and Hattingen Hair (Muresanu). They offer both procedures, are both ethical and are world class clinics. I had consultations with them both. Feriduni's was the best consultation I had (but you pay for it - 120 euros+/-) and I went with Hattingen Hair for my procedure. I went with FUT and you can't see the scar. If you think FUE doesn't leave scars, you are wrong. All surgery leaves scars and you need a lot of grafts so you will have a lot of scars.

Farjo is ok but, as I said above immediately after, for the sake of taking the Eurostar or a cheap flight to the continent, you can get better quality for the same price or the same quality for cheaper. Just avoid the UK clinics. Go to Belgium, Switzerland or Spain. I can see you are desperate to get this done ASAP, which is why you are considering a UK clinic, and you are going to rush into it and you are going to regret it. Take your time and make the right choice.

Yeah I am curious about an update

Hasson. Konior's work is great but H&W are on pretty much every forum and have been consistently banging out great results for years with plenty of patient posted cases. Konior is only really mentioned on this forum and there are not really that many cases. As you say, you can't go wrong with either but as H&W have greater presence, it is easier to do due diligence. Without photos, it is difficult to say what else you are missing.

I think considering KSL is probably indicative of somebody who perhaps needs to do more overall research though. We cannot recommend when we have no information.

Avoid all UK clinics but especially KSL. Go to the Continent: better quality for the same price or same quality for cheaper. The UK is not a good option for this procedure. You should go to ethical clinics for consultation that offer both FUE and FUT and get an honest assessment of what you need and which procedures would be best for you. I consulted with most of the major clinics in Europe before making my decision and the best consultation I had was with Feriduni, however there is a long waiting list just for a consultation with him and you have to pay (I think it was about 120 euros). He does both FUE and FUT and his results are amazing plus he renowned for being very ethical so even if you don't go with him, you can use what he tells you as a benchmark to inform your other consultations. Paying for the consultation will not make you feel obliged to go with him either. In the end I went with Hattingen who also do both procedures and are also a world class outfit (see my results for proof). They do free online consultations via Skype. Do not rush into this! You will regret it! You can always get it done in November/December and you will have Xmas to heal before going back to work in January if that is your big concern.

How are you recommending either of these without even having seen pictures?! We don't even know if he is a good FUE candidate (or a good candidate fullstop).

Thanks for your comment. 1500 is too much I think. 800-1000 might be ok if the clinic thinks they can still get a good result with the density. As the others have said, I need to discuss it with my doctors but I want to have an informed chat with them which is why I am collecting opinions now. Appreciate your comment!

Yeah that was approx. what I thought but I had no basis to estimate it on. Thanks!

1) Yes. Body hair too. I doubt you will have enough to make it worth it though. You have got 1500 approx in your donor and you will then need about another 4500 from beard and body hair. I just don't think it is worth it. That is for the top of your head too - it will look weird having hair on the top of your head and then the back of your head having very little hair because of the retrograde alopecia. That doesn't happen in nature. I honestly don't think you are a candidate sorry. If they invented graft cloning in the future, then yes, definitely. Until then, sorry. 2) Depends. I haven't looked into it a lot but from what I have seen, it goes a kind of greenish tint after a couple of years and you need to have it redone. I am not sure if that is all the inks, one in particular or indicative of a bad job though. 3) Genes. Yes, fin may stop it, or slow it down at least. However, this is not guaranteed and the effects don't last forever and there are risks involved in taking it. Look up post-finasteride syndrome. Testosterone is an important hormone within the endocrine system and there are consequences to playing about with it. Most people on here are not doctors and even the doctors are not endocrinologists (neither am I) so I am always amazed at how sure people are with their prescription of this drug without i) having any medical knowledge and ii) having seen your medical history or done tests (bloodwork etc).

Yes you are right but I think that hair will have gone by now anyway to be honest, and there wasn't that much to begin with. I can see from my dad the pattern I will have - it is exactly the same. Of course you couldn't have known that as you commented and so with the information you had, your advice is 100% correct. Yeah I of course will ask him when/if I go for an appointment with him (travel restrictions dependent) for his opinion. Thanks again