TrixGlendevon

Sensible! I am thinking the same thing. I will speak to Sever and Laura next month and see what they say, but I want my chat with them to be a conversation and not them just telling me stuff. Hence why I wanted to see what other people's experiences are/have been. I have been given some good advice/information in the private messages and this seems to confirm that. It would still be great to hear from other people that have had it done or from doctors though. Can never have too much information!

Depends on the surgeon for the ugly duckling phase. Mine was barely noticeable even immediately after the surgery last time. Feel free to check my post (with photos) about when it was done. Very clean work. My point for question 3 is if I shave it, not just day to day. I have had an FUT before so I know the score. Re. Q1: Yeah this is what I thought too but somebody has inboxed me and said that if you have longer hair for the surgery, it allows the surgeon to follow the hair direction etc. My whole hair now, minus the forelock (which is starting to thin and therefore the most likely candidate for shockloss) is transplanted hair.

Hi! I am going to get a second surgery after my first with Hattingen. Probably this summer. I have a question though. I spoke to Sever several weeks ago online and he said we could do the surgery without me cutting my hair. I am trying to work out the best way to manage the surgery as I have a high profile job. I can take probably 6-8 weeks off work (probably 6 and not 8 ) by a combination of holidays and working from home. I have a few questions: 1) Do people think there is a risk of an inferior result of doing the surgery without cutting my hair i.e. having to work around the hair I have already in place (all transplant hair at this stage)? People not noticing I have had it done is one thing, but ultimately I am doing this to look better so if there is a risk I won't after, I may bite the bullet and shave my head (or at least cut the hair short). What are people's opinion/experience with this? 2) What are the chances of shock loss with the transplanted hair in my hairline and mid-scalp? 3) Anybody who can offer another strategy to minimise people knowing what has happened? Thanks Trix

Another fantastic result (already!) by Hattingen. This will be mega when it is finished. Any updates? After three years since my first one (I was the first to post on this forum I think), I am going back for my second pass at some time this year for the crown and to thicken the hairline. I hope to get 3000 grafts and this will be my final one. I will do an in-person consultation this month.

Thanks both! I very much doubt I have any native hairs left at the top and would now be a NW5 if I hadn't had my first megasession. Basically, you have both confirmed what I thought. If there is less shockloss, and there is likely to be less because the hairs now are healthy transplanted hairs, then the ugly duckling phase will be not as bad either. This will be my last procedure so I am thinking of how best to manage it with work and other social engagements (weddings 3 months after I will get it done this year).

Hi! I have a few questions for those who have had a second FUT procedure. I am seriously considering a second procedure of around 3000 grafts to add density to the hairline and put grafts in the crown. My questions are: 1) What was the shockloss like in the recipient area? 2) Was the ugly duckling phase better, worse or the same as the first procedure? I would hope that the new transplanted hairs, being hidden amongst the older 4,400 transplanted hairs from the first procedure (I doubt I have any native ones left now), would not be seen very easily and so the ugly duckling phase would be less noticeable. However, this will only be true if there is limited shockloss in the recipient otherwise the new transplanted hairs will not be hidden. As the transplanted hairs from the first procedure are healthy hairs, I would expect there to be limited shockloss, on paper at least. What are other people's experiences with this. Thanks in advance Trix

I would say you are a Norwood 4 and progressing towards a NW5. Once this happens, you will need 7000-8000 grafts to get a good result for the whole head. You need to consult with different doctors, who will then give you very different quotations in terms of grafts. This will not be done in one procedure, given that you are not on meds, as the hair you have left will continue to fall out and so you will need other procedures to transplant it back in. Your initial result will look great (if you go to a great doctor) because you still have a forelock and hair in the mid-scalp. Over time, it will look less thick as the native hair falls out. Personally, I think FUT in your case as you can maximise your donor (and you will need it), there is lower transection and if you choose the right clinic (H&W, Hattingen etc), you can get a megasession meaning fewer procedures. As far as I know, there is only one good clinic that does megasessions for FUE (Eugenix) but I would personally avoid as I wouldn't go outside of North America or Europe for this. If you continue off meds, you will need to accept a more conservative hairline or a less full crown as you won't have enough grafts to get a low hairline plus a full looking crown. However, having a really low hairline and a receding crown also wouldn't be a natural look either as this is not how men lose their hair IRL. Take into account though that meds come with the risk of side effects (Google: post-finasteride syndrome) and their efficacy diminishes with time too. You need to start a shortlist and start talking to doctors/clinics.

Thanks! This is actually what is putting me off most about getting a second one - the time out of the gym. Will need to consider it carefully.

Who was your doctor?

Ok but what is too soon according to your doctor? You had FUT with Konior - what did he advise/instruct you to do?

Thanks! I will, but I would like to know what other top doctors are recommending as the stay of absence from lifting weights.

Hi all! I want to know what other FUT patients from clinics that consistently deliver good, pencil line scars have been advised in terms of how long they have to wait before going to the gym and lifting weights post-FUT? I am talking about the Koniors, H&Ws etc. I have heard huge variance in this from 2 weeks to 6 months so I was wondering what other people have been told. Thanks Trix

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Mine was the same - you can expect a very good result I think and I'm looking forward to following the growth

Logged on to reply to a private message & saw this. Great choice in clinic - congrats. I don't understand how Hattingen's immediate post-surgery photos are so clean. You can barely tell you've had surgery. I'm heading back there in July to discuss a second with them.

Beyond the lack of ethics, it also makes assessing patient cases difficult. You don't know which package the patient has had to be able to compare. They have done some good work, from the little I have seen, but I would avoid.

Personally I would avoid a clinic with packages and that doesn't put their very best into each and every patient they see. It isn't ethical.

Feriduni and Hattingen

I will PM you Sever's email

Crown is good for the amount of grafts put in. I just need to ruffle it up a bit but it definitely needs a second pass. It is on my list of things to do for 2021. Off the top of my head I can't remember but yeah reasonably quickly - I know they have just moved house and also with Xmas and New Year, maybe they are not back up to full speed yet. Did you email Reka or Sever?

The fact he didn't come back means he probably did end up with a good result and he will just be out enjoying his new hair. If it was a shit result he would be here looking for solutions/asking for advice

Thanks for the compliment! I am very pleased. Somebody told me via private message that it is currently 6 months (I would email them to confirm though) but cancellations happen, mine was a cancellation, so I would just email every week and ask. I think with countries going back into lockdown, cancellations are even more likely at the moment too.

Exactly! Keep us up-to-date with your decision(s). FYI - Hattingen does conservative hairlines anyway but in my case, it was actually a good idea given I don't take meds.

The fullstop after "avoid" makes it pretty clear (along with, as you suggest, a modicum of common sense) I think. But a lot more of the latter than the former and even the former are controversial. Why go through the stress? This is really one of those things where you really do get what you pay for. Stick to North America and Europe. A quick look at the repair jobs on this site alone shows you that the majority are people are those that have cut corners to save a few euros and gone to Turkey, Lebanon or India and have now ended up having to go to Europe or North America anyway for the repair job.

Discussing donor management in what sense? I don't think anybody knows the answer to that question. Just start with FUT and then you don't need to worry about it. He said mathematically it could be 9000 but he would never do that as it would make my donor look ridiculous. I am sticking to his advice/calculation and only going with 7,500, max. Another doctor, recommended on here, actually counted my donor with a microscope and clearly miscounted because he said I have 9,000 which was dismissed at pretty much every other doctor who looked at my head. That is a shocking mistake for a top surgeon as he designed a hairline etc on that basis. You can see my starting point on my thread (feel free to take a look) and see that I didn't have enough hair on top to experience shockloss.