Matt27

You're currently NW3, but you're diffusing and you're going to end up a high norwood (at least norwood 5).

lol. That's practically finger length. You could hide a small rodent in hair that long. Guys with FUE are posting pictures with #1 or #0.5 in which the hair is so short you can see their scalp. Just to clarify my opinion on the FUE vs. FUT thing - I do think that FUT is a good option for some people. Particularly those who have no interest in ever having very short hair. For the rest of us, the scar is a deal breaker.

I'm not really trying to be negative. I just consider your business practices unethical and feel compelled to respond. You criticize my attitude, but you have a consistently unprofessional demeanor in my opinion. You claim to care about facts, but apparently don't care about the fact that many people, including some in this thread, post their donors shaved to grade 1 or 0.5. And they usually don't look bad. I'm sure that you would still make ends meet if you could do only FUE. And Exxon Mobil would probably still do ok if they were forced into alternative energy. But oil and gas is their gravy train and they'll be damned if it stops. As for what I do for a living; I don't see how that's relevant.

We've conversed before. And my response was that, if only FUT was available, I wouldn't get a hair transplant. Considering that, I'm only interested in FUE. I respect that you are businessmen and, out of self interest, want to do what you can to preserve your business with the market trending away from FUT, but there is a reason you see much more anti-FUE salesmanship from FUT practitioners, who even claim to be impartial. It's because the FUE method sells itself and the slightly lower yield, etc. with FUE isn't enough to steer people away from it.

Your practice is FUT based. As someone who is only interested in FUE, I would never consult with your clinic. It's called sample bias.

That's because he got it when he was around NW3 and now he's borderline NW5.

They wear hair pieces because a hair transplant is unlikely to yield a Hollywood worthy head of hair. But the ones who get hair transplants and aren't strapped for cash typically get FUE.

I've done the research. Just waiting until the best time to do it, which will be soon since I'm almost 30 and my norwood pattern is becoming clear. I can't take finasteride so I need to plan more carefully than most. My point is just that the guys with 10s of millions generally choose FUE so it isn't just some internet hype phenomenon.

rofl. How many celebrities, athletes, etc. get strip? Nadal, Lebron, etc. all get FUE. Because strip sucks.

That is not a mature hairline. You are a norwood 2.5 and have been on fin since age 22, now 27. If not for the fin, you easily could've experienced advanced hair loss by 30.

Ok I am doing a bit of research on Dr. Devroye and apparently he doesn't even use manuel punches. His reasoning: "Indeed, the engine frees one of the hands of the rotation work. The hand so freed focuses much more easily on the orientation of the hand piece and the punch. It also allows to work in normally uncomfortable positions for the hand work. It allows to increase the number of grafts collected in one day. With the hand I reached 1200 grafts a day. With the engine I reach 2000 grafts. It has enabled me to decrease my FUE prices.." http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/169281-ultimate-manual-versus-motorized-fue-thread.html So he values speed and efficiency over quality. This is not someone I would consider seeing, based on my limited knowledge.

Google images doesn't display every relevant photo on the internet in a search result. It displays every result that matches the search query. People who are specifically showing their donor and tagging the image with that description are typically posting it for a reason. I am not saying that there aren't bad results. But I haven't come across an alarming number in my own research. Now, I have a certain definition of bad. Typically, there is evidence of surgery, but it is not usually cosmetically significant enough to outweigh the benefit of gaining a hairline. And I have heard of Dr. Devroye, but I don't know anything about him and that would be because he is generally not mentioned as a top doctor who I would see worthy of visiting. Maybe he's good, maybe not. But he doesn't seem overly popular. Most of my research has been done on the top European FUE surgeons. Regarding your last point, that consensus exists to some extent (I don't think it's consensus; more like a common argument) due to pro-FUT enthusiasts slandering FUE in an attempt to argue that it holds no benefits over FUT. Many of these people, including some who frequent and even help run this site, have a financial interest in maintaining FUT's popularity.

Google images, especially with that search query, won't necessarily provide a random sample. Certain people will be more likely to explicitly post pictures of their donor on the internet. And it provides samples from people who have gone to any and all surgeons. Most HT surgeons are bad. I only research results from top or at least recommended surgeons.

You need to go down to a 0.5 to avoid the horse shoe look. #1 is too long and that's why it hides scars better. A #1 guard doesn't expose much scalp so you get the obvious horse shoe pattern. Not really a shaved head from a balding/bald guy's POV.

I'm not cherry picking. The number of bad results does not match the number of good ones. Just look for transplant pictures of guys getting their 2nd FUE. They have pics taken with their head shaved and their donor almost never looks like your's. There is generally little evidence that anything was done. Regarding SMP, I don't have any experience with it. But I don't understand HTSoon's warning. You wouldn't be getting your entire head SMP'd. You'd just get it performed on the most obvious holes. And you'd get only a few done at first to see what the effect would be. The risk wouldn't be substantial in the test phase.

Yeah sorry for being skeptical. I'll have to do more research on what causes this, since this is one of the worst I've seen. I've seen so many cases where the donor won't look normal shaved down. It will be a bit uneven and thinned out more in some places, but not like this. Anyway, thanks for posting pictures. Regarding how to fix it, I imagine SMP would help a lot, but I'm not sure if scarred tissue will take the dye well. If you did go down that route, I would take the advice that you have given to others. Have a test done on a handful of the spots to see what happens. This is the norm that I see... he had 2000 grafts taken out by Dr. De Reys. This guy had 5000 taken out by the same doctor. Pics taken shaved before a subsequent surgery.

I doubt we'll get any pics. I don't know about you guys, but it seems coincidental and suspect that this guy registers and posts this thread soon after this thread was created: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/184317-buzzing-head-possibility-after-fue-hair-transplant.html Of course he warns against FUT too. To add credibility to his argument and make himself seem unbiased no doubt. But this posts smells like yet a pro-FUT guy trying to push people against FUE. And deny that FUE has any advantages over FUT. Of course it's possible that I'm wrong. But marketing is a very dirty practice.

I've seen many heads buzzed down to zero without obvious moth eating/scarring. There is a guy on hairlosstalk, fredthebelgian, who did that. The instances I've seen in which the FUE has had a dramatically negative cosmetic impact are very seldom. If it were that common and severe, we'd see more than 1 or 2 guys on the internet warning us about it. You can expect that it will change the appearance of your donor, but the idea is that the cosmetic benefit of having a hairline will outweigh that. Now, the doctor and extraction pattern is obviously of paramount importance. If he takes all of the grafts in a straight line like this guy's did, you may as well get FUT. Having said that, starting with a small transplant isn't a bad idea.

Shaved down with a hairline and shaved down with no hairline aren't even close to the same thing. So someone may like how he looks shaved currently, but won't as his hair loss progresses. I shaved my head for years (#1 guard or even shorter) before experiencing significant hair loss and it looks terrible with no hairline. So you can't save money by shaving your head. Hair growth is just as important to looking good with a shaved head as it is to looking good with long hair.

Plenty of people do it. The bigger obstacle to this method is a natural looking hairline and the transplanted hair blending with the native hair. This guy had 2000 graft removed by Dr. Umar. The cases Dr. Blake mentioned above are in the minority from my own observations. I'ts not something I would stress over in the grand scheme of things if you go to a top Dr.

looks like a lot of area to cover for 1200 grafts, especially since it needs to be dense.

Deep hate? lmao. Come on man. There isn't a history. This guy is ridiculous. My issue isn't with surgeons posting good results. That is expected and the norm in every industry. It's with them generally posting results from patients with ideal hair characteristics, hair loss patterns, etc. that exaggerate what is realistic. Even a perfect job from the best surgeons won't give normal patients these results. They're simply unobtainable for the masses. Surgeons take credit for these stellar results, but the credit, in this case, in my opinion, belongs primarily to the patient's genetics.

The reason I posted what I did is most people apparently can't tell what I said. So you get lots of positive responses and this enables this form of misleading advertising. I feel I can be a bit negative on this forum sometimes, but only because I feel compelled to balance out the excessively positive responses with some realism. This forum is used as a billboard for surgeons to advertise their best results, but its purpose is honest and critical discussion.

I just think this was a particularly simple case. It didn't even require any real artistry since his natural NW1 hairline that he transplanted to was still halfway intact. The average NW3 can't expect this result with that number of grafts. I mean, it's a fine result, but it gets a bit tiresome seeing surgeons posting almost exclusively patients with excellent characteristics for marketing purposes.

Pretty much the ideal HT candidate. Great hair characteristics and a good hair loss pattern. His sides/temple points hadn't receded at all. Pretty rare to see a NW3 with remnants of his NW1 hairline. So it's a great result, but I think that's due to the patient's qualities rather than the actual work that was done.