Redchilli007

Hi NewLook I had 5000 grafts with Dr Erdogan last April and I can't see the problem with that kind of Mega session. 2500 grafts were placed along the hairline 1st day and the mid scalp and crown were covered on the 2nd day. I've had good regrowth I believe and I don't think a 2 day mega session with Dr Erdogan would effect yield than say a one day session as he is very careful with what his assistants do, I mean they are very thorough and he watches everything. When I paid for my HT at the clinic they insisted I paid in cash to avoid getting an extra charge with a credit card payment would induce. I paid 12,500 in total for my HT. I paid a 1000 deposit via bank transfer to book my HT dates. The rest I brought in cash. It was a little worrying carry so much money on a trip like that but here are a few tips and things I did to make it as safe as possible. Once I had the money ready in the bank and my dates set with Dr Erdogan I notifed my bank of a deposit date I wished to withdraw the money. I was flying out late on a tuesday night so I collected it from the bank that morning, this meant I avoided having a big sum of money in the house prior days to the trip. The bank vacum packed it nicely for me. I bought a money belt on ebay and placed it under my Jeans when travelling through customs etc. I took it off at the scanners but I was never asked about it at the airport. Once I got to Turkey Dr Erdogan organises a driver to collect you and drop you to the hotel, I arrived late Tuesday night. Wednesday morning Dr Korays assistant called me and I went for my consultation with Dr Koray and head shave and I made the payment at this time. It meant as little time as possible from travelling from Ireland to Turkey did I have the cash prone to theft or loss. I hope some of this helps you mkae your decision.

Just for the record its great to see drkaradeniz so active in this thread and explaining his decision. Like I said in my first post, the docotrs honesty and well meaning is not up for question, he is above reproach here. I have my own set standards on what I think warrants a reccomendation. I'm talking pure FUE results and strip is not in my equation when I gave my answer but I feel I know enough about it to give an honest opinion. My standards are not everyone eles's and this reccomendation doesn't hang on me so remember that. Having a HT is no joke, its a massive financial, emotional and physical commitment. You can only do this 2-3 times in your life if your lucky enough to afford it and the first HT is vital. You get it wrong and you are ruined. You get subpar results and you are also in trouble. I'm not accusing drkaradeniz of any of that, far from it, but these are my standards and things I keep in mind when making a decision. I take it very very seriously.

As 1966kph correctly said this not what I was saying at all. If you'd bothered to read my post you'd see I said I have no problem with people going for strip or the results Dr's can get from it I said its not my preference to end up with a head scar when your trying to improve your image. If you did read my post and still came back with that reply it shows you had no interested in a reasonable discussion and only want to straw man an argument based on something I did'nt say. Maybe your upset I didn't have all positives to say from the start. Either way its a poor amd immature posting method from a so called senior member. Please don't twist my words in future.

Personally that's where I stand on strip work but I don't have a problem with people admiring the results and opting for strip and I am not saying it doesn't get results but for me times have moved on and FUE is the only procedure I would go for. The idea of have having a strip of flesh removed and a scar on the back of your head which limits your hair options back there is counter productive to me when you are spending all this money to improve your image. I looked at the images carefully before giving my opinion and have done so again. Its just my opinion but I would not seek out this DR if I wanted a HT and I'd recommend many Dr's before this Dr if giving a friend advise. I can't say otherwise or I'd be lying to myself.

Personally that's where I stand on strip work but I don't have a problem with people admiring the results and opting for strip and I am not saying it doesn't get results but for me times have moved on and FUE is the only procedure I would go for. The idea of have having a strip of flesh removed and a scar on the back of your head which limits your hair options back there is counter productive to me when you are spending all this money to improve your image. I looked at the images carefully before giving my opinion and have done so again. Its just my opinion but I would not seek out this DR if I wanted a HT and I'd recommend many Dr's before this Dr if giving a friend advise. I can't say otherwise or I'd be lying to myself.

If I'm honest I would not go to this Dr based on those photos. There is a lack of density and thinning/see through look on most of those results. He just can't seem to get the same successful growth rate of his two other Turkish compatriots. Also strip work is a big no no for me. Its difficult to be negative about someone as I'm sure the Dr is ethical and hardworking but we must keep standards high and his results fall short for me.

Thanks for the update Yaz. Its great to see you doing well and restored to your former glory Not having hairloss as a worry anymore must be great. Sometimes people don't understand what a constant worry it is and how it can get you down. I'm at the 7 month 2 week mark and happy with my result. I've been trying out many different styles etc and looking forward to months of further growth and thickening based on your pos Yaz @ acegik, I had exactly 5000 grafts also. 2500 in the front and the rest in midline and scalp. I'm not on any fin minox but happy with results. I must make a thread about my op and post some pictures but I think people have different growth levels depending on age and health and some other mysterious factors I wore a cap for a long time in work after the op but I have been comfortable with my result and grew out my hair and took of the cap since about the 4.5 month mark. If you are worried about slow growth just bear in mind what Yaz and many others here say and that that the 18month timescale is what we think will be your full final HT result so acegik you are only 1/3 of the way along in your journey. I wish you good growth and all my hairloss bros good growth and a future free from hairloss worries

Hi Yaz Hows it going? Have you any progress pics for us? You stated at the 9 month mark that you would update us at the 12 months mark and again at the 18 month mark. We are overdue that 12 month update Have things improved, has hair thickened and increased? We are all very interested to know. Don't leave us hanging Yaz. Your days of hair worry might be over but we need news

Hi Denny Any updates for us?

Thats a very good price but I'm not convinced by Dr Maral His results are hit and miss This guy had 4000 grafts with Dr Maral and didn't look great, the vertex grafts didn't seem to survive at all. http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/174447-4000-fue-grafts-dr-maral.html

Thats a very good price but I'm not convinced by Dr Maral His results are hit and miss This guy had 4000 grafts with Dr Maral and didn't look great, the vertex grafts didn't seem to survive at all. http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/174447-4000-fue-grafts-dr-maral.html

Dr. Koray may only do incisions but drops in on all parts of the surgery to make sure its been done right. All the nurses are trained in his technique. Dr. Maral is five times cheaper? How much does he charge per graft. Korays price is 2.5 euro per graft. Hakan is more hands on I believe. A couple of guys that had some work done with him recently started threads, maybe its better to ask there.

Thnaks for the reply David. I wasn't implying you thought Dutchs relpy had no place here because it was critical of the forum. I am fully aware that your happy and willing to let people have their say no matter how critical it may be. There is no problem in that aspect and I would never say otherwise. I just said I was also suprised by your response as it was addressing what Dutch said and not t he overwhelming feeling of the Drs work on the thread. I understand it was the strong words he used in terms of the Dr getting approved which was causing a response. There were some strong words from Dutch but we are all aware of the process of a Dr getting his up for consideration thread where we all chime in with our opinion. I didn't see the Drs thread but would be interested to look now because how his work was firstly deemed good enough to be put to the vote and secondly how it passed the vote is a mystery to me given what work I have seen of his. I don't agree by Dutches 10k and your in statement but Like I said yesterday the results are poor. Those with high norwood levels threated by the Dr seem to have the worst resutls with only sparse hair with no density to show for it. Other who had a good amount of native hair beore the HT don't look amazing either, in fact they look like before and after pis of a 12month fin and minox treatment. This forum is a great place and the majority of approved Drs are great and very skiled at their work. The mods and posters on here are very informed and helpful, this site helped me find Dr Koray for my procedure and I thank you for that but we must have the highest standards. Preforming a HT is a skill few posses, the extraction and placement of native hair else where to give the illusion of denisty is almost an art form. Whatever Dr. Quatela does during placement of grafts or the extraction phase means grafts are not surviving and those that are are too closely packed and the results are poor. Looking through the thread you can see the response to his work. Looking at some of Dr. Quatela's other threads that fact his has copy and paste response he uses over and over again to negative responses to his work seems to tell me he doesn't care that much or thinks he is above criticism. In my book he is shady. I can only say what I think and that is it. Like I said this site is a great place for information and help. I guess with that many Dr, patients and posters coming through every now and again something that shouldn't of happened will happen, its the law of averages. As much as the patient was responsible for not looking around for other options, because many of us would not have gone near Dr. Quatelabased on his results, he still is recommended on here. The reality of the situation is a poster/patient was let down by the site by trusting a Dr approved on here and had a very bad HT with many grafte lost and a bad life experience that he will find it hard to recover from in terms of getting his hair back.

I am quite suprised by your response here also. Dutch is entitled to voice his opinions and his falls in line with that of the majorty on this thread, my own, and that is the opinion that Dr's work in question is sub par. Dutch may have missed the recommendation thread and I'm also taken back at how the Dr is approved here. Yes we are asked to rate the work but had I seen those results i would have given the opposite of a thumbs up. Why those results were put to a vote honestly is beyond me. I am not trying to start arguments here but if not here then where do we express concerns about what we view to be poor work. I know he is recommmended by the site and its a little bit of red face time but we as posters and paying customers owe it to ourselves to be honest first and foremost not matter who is affected by that honesty. Even so Bill a poor smaller session is still a poor session. I have looked through the Drs own webstie and some of those results are genuinely breathtaking, for all the wrong reasons. Some of the photos are from not so small sessions, there is one from 3700+ and it looks like only hundreds of the hairs grew. Some of the patients are left with an unatural and pluggy look and come out looking worse than they went in. Like I said above I am not trying to be controverial here and start fights but Dutch is right, its an ink stain on the copy book of this site for me too. We have a thread here with a patient who went to a Dr partially because of proximity convieniance and this sites recommendation. Both he and the site are in the equation, my honest feeling is the patient would have been better off warned about the poor results rather than gotten encouragement about the local Dr from the site. The majority of the fault lies with the patient for not doing his own due dilligance but the sites part cannot be ignored. I do welcome your call for more pictures from this Dr but the damage has been done imo. Are we going to get the 7 best HTs this doc has done when there is muh more evidence of poor work? Anyway I'd be amazed if Dr. Quatela can turn around peoples opinons if he decides to post 7 results. I'll put it another way, if I was sat down with a friend who wanted to have a HT and was looking for advice from me I would show him Dr. Quatelas work of an example of bad work and a Dr to avoid. As painful as that might be to hear its the truth from me. The results are simply not good enough and I would tell people to avoid his clinic.

Nearly all of my transplanted hair has shed. Today is exactly the two months to the day for me (8 weeks) since my HT The next few months things will slowly begin to happen, I hope. Time has flown as i have been very busy since with work since the HT. I was back in work 5 days after it

Yes I had 5000 grafts with Dr Koray Erdogan in Turkey. I had a positive experience like you did, professional clininc, surgery over 2 days etc etc. I am two months post op and hoping for good growth too my hair transplant brother I wish you great growth in your journey

It sounds like a much better deal considering it was the entire cost . Usually most Dr quote per graft and the additional costs are mentioned later. The single grafts to the hairline and multiples further back sounds like what most HT Dr prefer and the two day approach is regular also. So it sounds like they are doing the right thing by the customers and are a professional clinic. Please forgive me if I sound critical but its not really I am just nosey as there is little information about the clinic here and one or two posts have been suspicous of them but like I like to gather as much information as possible to inform the thread as to good and bad clinics. Right now it looks like they are good and doing everything they way they should, in the right manner and offering a good price. A lot of UK and Europe guys go to Turkey as the UK options are few but thanks to your write up we may have information on another good option now.

Thanks for the reply MrG. I am interested on information about the clinic as before I was always looking for the price but could never find the information. You have just solved that problem for me so thank you and as a UTD fan I was always trying to find out how many grafts Rooney had. So roughly its 4.00 sterling per graft (if I have my maths right) which is €5 per graft or $6.96 (lets assume $7) going by xe.com which uses real-time rate feeds from global forex markets for up to date information. So 8200 sterling is €10,280 (but lets assume they'd charge €10,200) and $13,900 for your 2000 grafts. I think that falls in line with most US prices but is more costly than say Turkey, which is normal as Turkey offer the best HT rates. So you got a fair price I would say. Rooney spent 15k on his first HT so it looks like he got 3750'ish grafts Was the 8200 the entire cost of purely for the grafts? Most places have add on costs for medication etc, my HT had about €600 of add on costs.

Thanks for the write up Can ask how much they charge per graft? And what type of advise regarding Fin an Minox do they give out if any?

@tim4d As far as going for 3000 or 4000 grafts its your own personal choice, as is the Drs advise about taking fin. Only you can decide. Personally I would want to get as many grafts in the first pass as possible hence my 5000 but it comes down to personal finances etc. This is for you to think about. As for the PRP and anaesthetic injections well they hurt only a little but of course are unavoidable. You wont fell the PRP injection as you'll have had your anaesthetic to numb the area already. The nurses are very careful and with the injections and you can ask them to slow down at anytime. I went through mine no problem, just sucked up the little pain until the injections were done but I have a high pain threshold and the nurses commented on how tough and what a good patient I was, their words not mine . During the operation there may by times during extraction or incision where you fell pain and then you will ask for more anaesthetic. Of course its a lot more injections then you would get at the dentist but its no so bad as the staff are carefull. I found thinking about all the things that come with a HT worse than actually going through with it. Its not an easy procedure and quite tiring but afterwards you will be thinking I worried to much about it and it was okay to have it done.

I've read on another site about a guy saying he had PRP and it thickened things up top for him and he would recommned it but that was just one guy talking on the web. Dr Koray suggests it so right there your looking at a guy wtih 15 plus years who has seen hundreds of thousands of guys come through his clinic and seen the effects of a procedure with and without PRP included. Of course you can be cynical and say its too make money and who really knows for sure but he suggests and doesn't insist on it. Its good enough for me as I believe him to be fair and honest. Your paying 300euro for an injection, its costly so take time to weigh up the options and research it yourself. I came to my judgement pretty much on the thoughts mentioned above. I got 2500 done on each day. A nurse mentioned the maximum they did in one day was 2800. I'm sure you could get 3000 in one day if you asked for it. It might require 60-90-mins more operation time but again its best to ask all these questions to Dr Koray and the Asmed mailing list.

I just had a look at your photos matts and I think it could be mpb. I know your Gp has said other wise but with your hair tyed back you are left with that tuft of hair at the front and the temples are very far gone and its not a natural mature v shaped hairline. I don't think you need work done soon as you still have hair to cover things up but it doesn't mean baldness wont start in other areas years down the road. Scalp micro pigmentation can look good if its done correctly but its not for me. You would have to shave your hair to a 1 0r 2 at least for it to blend in. Like you said its an option for people who have lost all their hair. I dont think it will work with the hair lenght you have in the photos. You have the choice of meds (something I dont like), a HT, shaving it or a hair system. Their are other sites which guys wear partial hair systems to cover the temples, so you have a mixture of real hair and a hair system. Thats another option but it takes a lot of maintenance. From your photos I think with the hair long you look fine and don't look bald at all. I would say relax, enjoy your 20's but save money and be financially smart as you may need it down the line.

I'm at work right now but will look at your pictures later this evening. Not having hairloss in the family is no guaruntee you don't have, its a good sign but when it comes to hairloss it can effect anyone at any time. I don't want to scare you or anything just letting you know what I think. A lot of people think because nobody in the family has it that it wont effect them but thats a misassumption. My room mate has an Italina Dad and French Mum and no hairloss on either sides of his immidiate family exits, brother, dad, grandads etc yet is is balding heavily from 26yrs onwards and now at 30 shaves his head. Personally I think everyone gets the bald gene passed onto them by the parents but in a lot of people its turned off in the DNA, its there just not active and thats why anyone from any family can suffer from baldness. I can't recommend a good clinic in Ireland to get a verdict on your situation as I self diagnosed my baldness which wasn't really hard, I was diffuse all over, my crown was visible and my temple went on a vacation and never came back. I did lots of reading on this site and many others and tried some things but opted for a HT in the end. If you really want to see a hair specialist or dermatologist just google them but hair restoration clinic black rock is the most well know (not saying the best) due to advertising. Hair Transplant Clinic Ireland - Hair Replacement Surgery, Hair Restoration and Transplant Surgeons - HRBR, Ireland but if you do enough reading and research on this site and other hairloss sites you will know beforehand what advise this clinic will give you. Goodluck and if you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.

So your aiming for early next year. Thats a lot of notice and unless its a popular time for people to want to get a HT done I would say you should get a time slot in that period if you ask for it now. Like I said I asked in mid Feb, was offered late March and eventually got mid April but keep in touch with the clinic about dates as they will know for sure. The clinic will ask for a 1000 deposit to secure the date for you, this is normal so they know you are serious and they will also ask for your flight number once you book it so they can have you picked up by the driver. PRP is recommended by Dr Koray but its optional at a cost of 300euro. He doesn't claim for it to be a hairloss medication as many places do but its mainly for helping to heal the skin/scalp quicker after the HT and therefore helping the donor area and recipient area to be healthy after the HT and to give the grafts the best chance of survival. Basically PRP is your own blood. No chemicals etc. They take a vile of your own blood and put it into a centrifuge so it seperates the white blood cells from the red, they then inject the white blood cells back into your scalp. The white blood cells are widely regarded to promote healing. So essentially a syringe draws your blood, its turned into PRP and a a syringe injects it back into your scalp, its that easy. The nurse actually showed me the vile of my prp, the red blood was at the bottom and a yellow fluid at the top, which I presume was the white blood cells and they injected only this back in, I can't be sure as I could not see. I have left a fuller guide to what happens over an entire HT below. PRP has been used in the sports feild to help sports people recover quickly. As a way to combat hairloss I would say its not effective alone but when having a HT to help heal and keep those areas healthy I would say it helps as I had minimal pain even the day after my HT and have had 0% pain issues since having such a big session. Four HT's were happening whilst I was there. An American and two Spanish guys were having work done the same days as me. On my second day of surgery one of the Spanish guys had finished so was just getting his wash and not having grafts. Dr Koray does not do all of the procedure. He has many staff help him and many highly qualified nurses follow his technique to ensure he maintains his high graft survival rate, I think its 98% iirc. The HT is in three stages 1) Extraction 2) Incision and 3) Graft placement. Dr Koray only preforms stage 2 which is to make the incisions where the extracted grafts will be placed. He was in and out of the room many times checking on progress and has cameras in each operating room so he can observe from his office. Stage 1) the extraction stage goes as follows. You are led into the operating room which is a clean room enviroment. You will have had your hair shaved and washed beforehand and you will then get the local anaesthetic injections in the donor area. The nurses will begin the graft extraction from the donor area. One nurse will hold the head and move the skin to get the best angle for the extraction, the grafts will be taken and put into a solution and counted and determined to be single, double or triple grafts by a another 2-3 nurses. You will have a translator with you incase you need to ask for more anaesthetic injections. There is a plasma tv on a mechanical arm that can be placed at the right angle for you to watch a dvd, you can also bring your own dvds. This stage of the operation takes 2-3 hours. Your donor area will be wiped down with anti septic medical fluid and bandaged up. Stage 2) Incision. This is preformed by Dr Koray. You will recieve more anaesthetic injections to the recipient area and then Dr Koray will make the incisions with his tool/blade call it what you will. Basically he is making little holes in your head for the grafts to be placed in. This procedure is the shortest stage and takes about 30-40 mins depending on number of grafts and the design you agreed on etc. You will then have meal and can take a bathroom break etc or maybe you will have the meal after stage 1 depending on the time taken. The its time for stage 3 Stage 3) is placement. Yet more more anaesthetic injections for your recipient area if required and the nurses begin to place the grafts into the incisions made by Dr Koray. The nurses will use some sort of special tweezers or something to place the extracted grafts. This stage is the longest and can be 3 hours and upwards. A usual day at the clinic is 8am-5pm or 5:30. Then you return to the hotel with the driver and return the next morning for the same procedure or for bandage removal and scalp wash, after this you can fly home. A lot of people worry or don't like the fact that Dr Koray doesn't preform every part of the procedure but the truth is the Asmed clinic is so busy he simply can't. He does check on everything as its happening and has his staff very well trained in him methods that he can get the best results as if he did it himself. When talking to him he told me he was at this 15yrs and he is at the best stage of his career for preforming his work. You have a team 6-8 people at times working on you and this is happening in 2-3 other rooms, there is a lot of staff there and Dr Koray doesn't cut corners in order to get as many people through the clinic, he hires many people to ensure his high standard is meet. I hope this helps, if you have more questions I will help.

I'm from Ireland too Matts and its not so easy to get a HT here or in the UK either due to price or lack of reputation. There are a couple of hair loss clinics in Ireland suck as blackrock but they charge a lot more (4-6 euro per graft iirc) and dont have the same king of repuation as the ones approved by this site . This list shows you the DRs approved by this site and their location in europe and the rest of the wrold Full list of the best hair transplant surgeons You said you were young and have experienced some temple loss but no hairloss elsewhere. This is quite natural and called a mature hairline, vshaped rather than flat. You may not be a good candidate for a HT due to your young age and not having all over thinning and baldness. Some Drs may refuse you for this reason but uploading pics here would be a good idea and people will give you an honest opinion. Here are some other HT FAQs to read through before you make a decision http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/150315-frequently-asked-questions-forum-discussions.html