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  1. 7 points
    Early signs of a norwood 8 .
  2. 7 points
    I don’t post too much but lurk a lot and based on what I have been reading around here, get ready for certain individuals to tell you that your hairline is not bad, looks good, that you have unrealistic expectations and all because it was done by Erdogan.
  3. 6 points
    Please stop posting in this thread. I'm trying to provide constructive information for other people who are considering treatments with this doctor. Your comment about my donor area looking subpar immediately after surgery is well taken (you aren't fooling anyone by being purposefully literal to backtrack from the clear intent of your comment) - I think most people can agree the large punch looks a bit worse than the work of other doctors. But I think it remains to be seen whether or not this temporary condition has any lasting meaningful consequences - from what I've seen, the donor areas of Diep's patients look great after they heal, and his results speak for themselves in terms of his reasons why he uses the larger punch. And you can see from my pre-op photos that I've accepted the possibility of larger FUE scar since I don't wear my hair terribly short on the sides and back.
  4. 6 points
    The mostly useless topic of manual versus motorized should be relegated to the trash heap. It may have held relevance at some point in time, but it means little today. Patients should also be leery of dogmatic statements made about how an individual conducts his or her practice as the only person who can provide definitive detail as to what is done and how it’s done is the surgeon himself. The fact is that I use multiple devices for extracting grafts, with the device of choice depending on the situation at hand. There are days when a motorized technique is best and days when a manual technique is best. There are days when a straight-wall trephine is best and days when a flared-wall trephine is best. There are days when a straight-edge trephine is best and days when a serrated-edge trephine is best. This argument reminds me of guys arguing which is better, a straight-edge screwdriver or a Phillips screwdriver. Of course the answer is that it depends on the situation at hand. Also remember, there are some talented surgeons who can use every technology effectively and some who, despite having the best of the best instruments, can’t extract quality grafts on a consistent basis. When it’s all said and done, it’s not the instrument that matters as much as the surgeon choosing the instrument to use for the situation at hand. If you place the world’s finest and most expensive Steinway piano in front of most people, very few would be able to generate a beautiful song. On the other hand, place one of the world’s top five pianists in front of a Walmart special keyboard and you will probably hear some darn good tunes.
  5. 5 points
    Contact asmed and say hey great result I'm so thrilled, can you post this on your website, YouTube channel and on the forum? in all honesty it's not a botch but not great either and requires more density no doubt. This problem of yours is becoming very common. Yes there will be people saying there is no guarantees and everyone's physiologically is different you just dont know what's going to happan. Well when it's the exact same issues on a growing number of patients (see through hairlines, bad density/growth) then that theory is completely false. Unfortunately nothing will be done in terms of taking this doctor off recommended lists like this one and the iahrs whom both require consistent good results to stay affiliated. Melvin/bill it is your duty to help guys out there and not let bad results ruin lives. If you take guys like Erdogan off your list you will save alot of heart ache and depression. This is serious, you need to do the right thing if you care at all about how hairloss and bad results can ruin lives. Enough is enough there is too much vested interests in this industry it's about time someone actually stood up for what's right. Even if my own results ends up being decent maybe I will get lucky and would have had the right team but my opinion will never change as to how they operate and I dont want to risk other people getting messed up, why? Because i care about this sh!t
  6. 5 points
    it's my decision on who I feel confident with and who I choose to go with for a HT. Thanks to Payam's post I wont ever be considering Dr, Koray as it was a real eye opener. And while no doctor has a 100% success rate there's some doctors out there who are willing to put their money where their mouth is by offering some sort of warranty incase the HT doesn't go according to plan. Far better than having Dr. Koray's assistants work on me while he supervises from an office chair looking at a television screen!
  7. 5 points
    What’s wrong with his results ? Looks good for $16,000 . Money well spent ..
  8. 5 points
    Conor McGregor is that you ? haha jk. Looking great man, thanks for keeping us updated on your progress. You definitely are a fast grower.
  9. 5 points
    Hi Guys, Most of of you are familiar with my story, but some of you new guys may be wondering how I got started. The truth is, I started off researching just like most of you, luckily I found this forum that gave me the tools and confidence to pull the trigger and start my hair loss journey. I wanted to let you guys know that we will start posting informative videos on YouTube. I encourage you guys to watch and share this video with anyone interested in getting a hair transplant and seeing a real result from a real patient.. If you guys have any suggestions for topics please let me know.
  10. 5 points
    I'm having a procedure done with ASMED in a couple of weeks and, like many of you, wanted a better idea of my chances of having a satisfactory result. Since there have been many differing opinions on here concerning this clinic lately (and while it's a little tough to quantify something like this), I figured I'd try to tackle the question mathematically/statistically to produce a more definitive answer. Methodology for Analysis: First, I went through the French, Italian, and English hair loss forums (i.e., international, Belli Capelli, and this forum, respectively), and looked through every result that was posted within the last 2 years (I went back to around September 2016). I recorded the approximate date (to the nearest month) that the surgery was performed and assigned a score for the result based on the pictures that were posted. The ranking criteria were as follows: - Great = A score of 4 = The result of the transplant was a very thick, natural looking head of hair; in my opinion, no further surgical intervention is required. - Good = A score of 3 = The result of the transplant was a major improvement over the pre-operative state, but not perfect; while the hair is generally thick, a minor touch-up may be required to achieve the optimal result. - Mediocre = A score of 2 = The result of the transplant was a modest to moderate improvement over the pre-operative state; a second procedure of a similar magnitude will likely be required to achieve patient satisfaction. - Poor = A score of 1 = A complete botch job. The scalp looks effectively the same or worse than it did before surgery. A second operation is absolutely required (and possibly a third) if there's any hope of salvaging the situation. - Inconclusive = No score = The result could not be determined due to the fact that the surgery was performed too recently (less than approximately 5 months ago) or the fact that the user did not continue to post their results/pictures beyond a few days/weeks/months. There are some rare cases where a patient experienced a good result by the 5 or 6 month point and I felt comfortable including them in the analysis despite the fact that their hair has not fully matured. Caveats: - While there are many clinic-posted results in all three forums, I only included those from the Italian forum in this analysis (in other words, I only included patient-posted results from the French and English forums). Why did I do this? First, in the French and English forums, there was no indication as to when the clinic-posted surgeries were performed. Second, the doctor likely only posted his best results, leading to a form of selection bias. When patients post their own results, from start to finish, selection bias is less likely. Third, I wanted to make sure I didn't double-count, so each patient had to have a unique identifier (and it was hard to assign one for clinic-posted results; for patient-posted results, on the other hand, I could differentiate them with their user names). Please note that the omission of clinic-posted results might skew the results in such a way as to make them seem slightly more negative than they actually are. - I realize that the ratings I assigned to each result are subjective. I can't think of a way to do this in a truly objective way, as one person's "good" might be another's "mediocre." For this reason, I'm willing to provide user names via PM in case there are any doubts concerning my judgment. Analysis: The chart below shows my findings from the three forums, combined, within the specified date range. I removed the user names and replaced them with patient numbers to maintain anonymity. As I mentioned above, if anyone wants to see the user names associated with the patient numbers in order to check me (or compare your judgments with my own), I can send them to you via PM. Assigned Patient Number Surgery Date Result Rating 1 Sep-16 4 2 Oct-16 3 3 Oct-16 3 4 Oct-16 3 5 Nov-16 4 6 1-Nov 4 7 Nov-16 4 8 Nov-16 N/A 9 Nov-16 3 10 Dec-16 4 11 Jan-17 2 12 Feb-17 4 13 Feb-17 4 14 Feb-17 4 15 Feb-17 3 16 Feb-17 N/A 17 Feb-17 4 18 Feb-17 4 19 Feb-17 3 20 Mar-17 3 21 Mar-17 4 22 Mar-17 N/A 23 Apr-17 4 24 Apr-17 N/A 25 May-17 3 26 May-17 3 27 Jun-17 2 28 Jun-17 N/A 29 Jul-17 4 30 Jul-17 4 31 Jul-17 3 32 Jul-17 3 33 Jul-17 2 34 Jul-17 2 35 Jul-17 N/A 36 Aug-17 4 37 Aug-17 3 38 Aug-17 N/A 39 Sep-17 3 40 Sep-17 N/A 41 Sep-17 2 42 Oct-17 4 43 Oct-17 2 44 Oct-17 4 45 Oct-17 4 46 Oct-17 4 47 Oct-17 N/A 48 Nov-17 4 49 Nov-17 3 50 Nov-17 2 51 Nov-17 N/A 52 Nov-17 4 53 Nov-17 3 54 Dec-17 4 55 Dec-17 4 56 Dec-17 3 57 Dec-17 2 58 Dec-17 4 59 Dec-17 3 60 Dec-17 2 61 Dec-17 N/A 62 Dec-17 N/A 63 Jan-18 4 64 Jan-18 3 65 Jan-18 3 66 Jan-18 2 67 Jan-18 N/A 68 Jan-18 N/A 69 Feb-18 4 70 Feb-18 4 71 Mar-18 2 72 Mar-18 4 73 Mar-18 3 74 Mar-18 2 75 May-18 3 76 May-18 4 77 May-18 N/A 78 Jun-18 N/A 79 Jul-18 4 80 Jul-18 N/A 81 Jul-18 N/A 82 Jul-18 N/A 83 Jul-18 N/A 84 Aug-18 N/A 85 Sep-18 N/A 86 Sep-18 N/A 87 Sep-18 N/A 88 Sep-18 N/A 89 Sep-18 N/A 90 Oct-18 N/A 91 Oct-18 N/A 92 Oct-18 N/A 93 Oct-18 N/A 94 Oct-18 N/A 95 Oct-18 N/A 96 Oct-18 N/A 97 Nov-18 N/A 98 Nov-18 N/A 99 Nov-18 N/A 100 Nov-18 N/A As you can see, I looked through 100 patient reviews between the three forums. Out of the 100, only 63 were conclusive. Out of the 63: - 48% were great - 33% were good - 19% percent were mediocre - 0% were poor For me, a result of good or great is acceptable. Here's some more useful data: - There is an 81% chance of an acceptable (i.e., good or great) result - Margin of error is 12% (with a confidence level of 95%)* - Average is 3.3 (a result between good and great) - Median is 3 (a good result) - Mode is 4 (a great result) - Standard deviation is 0.771 * I calculated margin of error by assuming that ASMED performs 4 surgeries per day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year, yielding a total population of 2,080 surgeries performed within this time frame (and, as shown above, a sample size of 63 patients). I want to stress, again, that I excluded all clinic-posted results from the French and English forums, so outcomes may actually be better than what is posted above. Another question that was recently raised was whether or not quality from this clinic has decreased over time. In order to determine if this is the case, I plotted the results from above against time (see the plot below) and inserted a best-fit trend line (including a projection into the future, assuming the same trends continue to hold). It does appear that there has been a slight degradation in quality for surgeries performed between September of 2016 and June of this year. It looks like this degradation may have been caused by a cluster of negative reviews made by patients who had surgery between August and December of 2017 (though there were also many successful surgeries that occurred around this time as well). I might do another analysis looking further back into the past to see if this trend remains the same, or if the second half of 2017 was a blip. I don't know about you guys, but this made me feel a bit more confident about my upcoming surgery. Any thoughts?
  11. 5 points
    I don’t understand why we have to pretend there’s hope for this poor guy following 7 months. Yes, there may be additional growth and thickening. Will it be satisfactory? Absolutely not. Let’s please stop with the sunshine pumping and be real with people so they can address the issue sooner than later.
  12. 4 points
    I have always been defending asmed and even wanted to go there myself but i think it's time we start taking these complains seriously.
  13. 4 points
    If nothing else, I could not have worded @Gabreille Nelson Mukhia 's answer better myself. At this point, you're not ready for a HT. It's fine, it just means you need more research. I'm your age, by the way, so it's not a knock on your maturity. I've posted comments elsewhere, but I'm going to copy them here if it helps you. The first is the "why" and the second is the "how". They are in order! My advice for you: 1. Try the finasteride. I didn't and wish I would have known about it in my early 20s. Maybe I could have delayed a HT. 2. It is important to put a value on a HT. What is it worth to you? Financial cost of procedure, time cost of awkward recovery period, emotional cost of missing events/ fielding awkward questions. 3. What do you stand to gain? Self confidence that will manifest in all social interactions. Removal of the anxiety/emotional burden of balding. If you're single, it'll open up more dating opportunities for you. (In my case) Not being age discriminated for entry level jobs post college. Whatever else applies to your case. It could well be that you have little benefit from a HT. It also could remove any self-imposed hair-loss barriers that open you up to the world. Weigh 2 vs 3. 4. Choose with conviction. Either way, own your decision and know it's best for you. If you get a HT, don't feel ashamed or embarrassed. It is the best choice for you. When people ask "why" I tell them, "I considered it for a long time, and I felt it was the right time for me. I've always been concerned about my hair loss. I am fortunate to be alive at a time when baldness is treatable with a permanent and "natural" (my own hair!) solution. I am happy to answer any questions you have." - The questions then don't focus on my choices (since I addressed them from the start) but focus on "does/did it hurt, How long is it good for, How long does it take to see results, How much?" By taking control of your situation, you take the power out of the tough questions. Your friends and family will support your decision if you present it as a decision that was best for you! I have a strength in personal finance and budgeting. Before you jump in: Timing could cost you $X,xxx more or less depending on when you travel. Also know the travel costs involved. You have time when it sounds like $ is more of an issue. So be smart with your time to get the most value for your $: 1. Create a list of doctors. (You should) Prioritize the doctors who you see yourself using, and then add them to the list. Usually their websites will list a range. I don't recommend "shopping" docs at this point - asking what they will charge. Build your list first, I'll come back to this point. 2. If you're looking for value, look up the Countriesyou find the surgeons you wish to hire. Use google flights to explore destinations from your Country's airports (plural) to those country airports. Find the cheapest airport for that country, then find the cheapest time to fly - the month or time of year. You're not booking yet, you're only assembling a cost database for the 2-5 countries abroad you've found reputable doctors for. I can help if you don't understand this. 3. Now that you know what you should pay for the travel, find out what lodging and transport looks like in that country. How long do you plan on staying there? Estimate a per-day rate for each country. *Personally, I am passionate about this, but I recommend traveling while you're there. Feel free to ignore this, because it is purely an opinion. 4. Now that you know when the best rates for travel are, plan to book a procedure during that time Next year. It will do four things: A. Allow you to save and ensure you can get that travel rate in the future (I can explain on the booking a travel plan theory later). B. Allow you to establish dialog and communication with a clinic where you feel confident in your doc, and set expectations on the procedure, talk about hairlines etc. C. It will Ensure that your doc is available when you want your procedure done and D. Allow you to save up some money/clear off some credit card balance etc. to afford the procedure/ pay off the airfare after you book it. 5. Now that you have the costs for travel, the narrowed list of surgeons, the open communication with those surgeons, ask the price. Build it into your budget. Travel + expenses while there + HT + Qualitatives (things to do if you travel, idk, but these are "what it's worth to you if all else is equal" among surgeons/total price). Then do your own cost analysis and get the best value. Value = benefits/costs. Now: I mentioned FUT is cheaper than FUE. Just know that there are benefits to both, but know that there exist good surgeons who perform FUE at a cost which is less than other surgeon's FUT. Geography changes costs. I can answer any questions you have. I do think it will be in your best interest to create a list of say, 20 docs you're at least interested in (who fall somewhat in your budget), then ask for opinions. If you don't do 80%+ of the doc research yourself, I think that you won't really have the confidence in the result, and may experience buyer's remorse. I hesitate to tell you with confidence what may be best for your cosmetic future.
  14. 4 points
    No, I didn't make a thread, I went to ASMED based on his results which seemed much better back then, not based on the messes we are seeing here. Trust me, I have since learnt things that his fellow professionals in the industry think about him which I'm not going to go as far as saying. My experience there was bad. Its not how you are supposed to be treated during a cosmetic surgery that you pay a large amount of money for. I spent minutes with the surgeon, minutes! Everything behind the hairline was ok and it damn well better be for 4600 grafts when I only bloody needed 2000 according to my latest surgeon. And to the people defending all these latest pluggy results. Please. Just stop. My advice to anyone is go to a surgeon who performs the surgery himself. It seems like common sense when you say it out loud, right? I was younger but still should have known better.
  15. 4 points
    Also ... Please do not rush into getting a procedure. I understand the urgency to get it done; trust me, I do. However, it is far better in the "long term" to take your time now and make the best decision possible opposed to rushing into a procedure and being dissatisfied or spending more time and money (and irreplaceable donor follicles) to fix or augment things up the road. It is a common tale we see and something that you should do your best to avoid.
  16. 4 points
    Who snitched on him ? Bman is literally coming on this forum for advice n help .. if some members have arguments n stuff .. just stop talking to each other but what’s up with the tattletelling .. I’m interested in this update n prefer for him n other members to continue posting their progression results , whether good or bad ... ( but it’s true the bad ones are the most fun threads to foLlow .. n it’s also sometimes the patients last resort to venting and expressing their results . Nothing wrong with that .. I don’t even look at doctor posted pics anymore .. it’s almost meaningless .. the most meaningful threads are posted by patients .,
  17. 4 points
    We don't all have thousands of pounds flying out of our arses for multiple surgeries. Stephen made a decision based on his viable options. Respectfully disagree or move on, who are you to tell people not to complain? On a forum to voice our experiences of our surgeries no less. Maybe save your armchair psychology for another forum. Payam, myself, Stephen and others are all experiencing very similar issues and the few people that are happy with their results from the same clinic think its acceptable to trash talk others whose experience isn't as positive. Its like those who have a good result have some strange loyalty to the clinic, that makes them want to drown out any complaints by saying we have mental issues or just outright name calling on every single post. Payam isn't happy, neither are multiple others. Let them voice this without trying to somehow invalidate it just because your experience was better, its petty af.
  18. 4 points
    I don’t get this kind of thinking. Sorry not trying to be combative, but people keep saying it and it really baffles me. Would you prefer patients hide the transplanted areas or present them in the most flattering, dimly lit, combed over conditions or do you actually want to see the transplant? It’s just odd that a lot of people say this. You either want to see clear, high quality, well lit photos of the transplant or you don’t. I for one would rather see what I’m in for, rather than a touched up version...
  19. 4 points
    Suddenly this thread evolved into a commercialized promotion of certain doctors.
  20. 4 points
    don't worry ...I have shown my pics on here at 5 months where the growth was starting to be noticeable because a lot of guys were freaking out about their growth at 5 months ..I will look and see if i can find a 3 month pic ...I know it's stressful man but honestly 3 months is just the beginning . Just read through your post ..understandable why you are extra nervous as you had an unsatisfactory transplant before ...the work looks good with Asmed I'm sure at 4 months you will notice the start of the growth ...
  21. 4 points
    Dude - you ARE the MAN! I'm a gonna' go on a MAJOR rant right now - so all you TL-DR 'dear readers' may exit stage left at this point. TYIA. Major cosmetic surgery that is botched should be 'shouted from the rooftops' and to be brutally frank (and yes, I am in the legal field and licensed in 3 states as well as Israel) it is horrifying to me that a foreign surgeon cannot be SUED up his ass for Compensatory {expectation & consequential}/General/Punitive as well as Aggravatory and finally Restitutionary Damages. Dr. Erdogan is a reckless unfortunate well-known MILL surgeon operating in Turkey. I stand by this written statement. Unequivocally so, in fact. So sue me, eh? Oh wait - that's what Dr. Erdogan says (not to your face) when he and his staff 'ghost' a persistent and rightly so PISSED-off U.S. patient. Shame on him. And if I am given a 'timeout' for my written statement - no matter. I'll take the charge. It's really no skin off my sack as they say in Jersey. And yes, my last surgery was in India w/Dr. Suneet Soni (4.5K FUT & 500 FUE) in March '17, previous to that surgery in Great Neck, NY w/Dr. Feller 2,243 FUT in March '04, previous to that surgery two surgeries w/Dr. Mark Pomerantz in Chicago, IL (700 and 1100 FUT 'mini and micro' grafts) in two sessions '93 & '94 and finally my 1st initial surgery w/the stupendously arrogant yet 'dim' Dr. Matt Leavitt (100 and 120 minigrafts) FUT in Detroit, MI in Dec. '90 and Jan. '91 Of course I will get more surgery - 2 to 3 FUE procedures and I will utilize 'beard' hair in the process because although I have complete coverage and NO visible thinning my hair is Asian-esque BONE straight and my hair-caliber thickness in Microns is embarrassingly low - thanks Mom & Dad. You fucked it all up when you capriciously concieved me without thinking about genetic predispositions in 1966. Flaccid and weak lack of forethought, but I digress. So, I know of where and when I speak. In fact I would say I am the most informed hair transplant consumer that I've ever known personally. I am obsessed w/hair - it is who I am. Since I get a modest amount of feedback in these forums I will post my last 2 major surgery 'before/after's and my 'current situation' in great and nauseating detail later this spring when I have more free time. SLR photos - professional lighting - wet/dry combthrough videos. Scar and donor area combthroughs and both just-washed hair (wet) - towel-dried hair, no-product dry and styled hair as well as w/a touch of DermMatch concealer. I will walk the walk because I admire everyone here that posts photos and tells their story - it takes alot for me to respect other men - this is hands-down the very best hair-restoration website on the planet. Simple as. For this I owe - a mitzvah if you will for my fellow brothers (in spirit) that suffer from this terrible progressive illness that is passed down from inferior genetic donors (our parents). In the far future hairloss will be a relic of the past that time has forgotten. Until then 'by endurance we conquer!' Peace & Degenerate Blessings...
  22. 4 points
  23. 4 points
    ... And stop arguing back and biting to every single post that doesn't agree. Stop going in to every Erdogan thread and rubbishing the results. Not because you don't have the right to or aren't justified because of your less than stellar personal experience with the clinic but because bro, it's not helping YOUR situation. People across all of these forums know at this point going to Asmed is cheaper but also risks a much higher chance of a subpar result due to all the aforementioned things such as the number of surgeries, the attention to detail or lack thereof, the techs being more aesthetically pleasing to the eye then their actual HT results at times and whatnot, etc etc etc. The fact the clinic has these types of threads going on every major hair loss forum is proof that something isn't right and needs to be addressed, that's the one thing no one can dispute. You don't see the top clinics having these ongoing threads about them and you don't see them with multiple concurrent discussions regarding their mixed results. Every clinic has average and even poor results, but the point is that the top ones have very few of these compared to their good ones, Asmed does a lot more HT's per day so they have a lot more cases of good and bad, it just is what it is. I suggest you stop biting back though you are turning people against you and that isn't going to help you in a time when you need support and guidance. Relax bro... you've made your point and threads like yours serve a purpose... for me personally who is within a year of choosing his HT surgeon results like yours are why I WILL NOT spend my money with Erdogan and Asmed... bottom line.
  24. 4 points
    I've tried to hold my tongue on this thread, as it seems to have devolved into a hysterical, hand-wringing, anti-Erdogan frenzy that I didn't want to indulge. However, the claims on here that no one has gotten good results out of ASMED recently are flat out dishonest. While I didn't originally want to name names, I felt I needed to do so in order to make a credible point to those who are lurking here (including newbies) who may be influenced by what's been said, about the clear distortions that have been made on this thread. For great results from ASMED in this forum from surgeries that were performed since the end of 2016 (i.e., no touchup was necessary, whether or not the individual decided to take another pass anyway), look at Alexmczane26575, DEB1982, JeanLDD, Jammerz, Vchorro, Sk78, Artofeden, HG1, Vainism, and Ediee. For good results since the end of 2016 (i.e., there was a major cosmedic improvement the first time around but a minor touchup was needed to achieve a perfect result), see Jonyny (who says he is happy now), Pancake, Shuriken, Nathd911, HairDew (who specifically says he is very happy with his hair), Bloodshoteyes, Handski, Ponchik, Scotty9107, Hamburger, and JustJax. Only five people -- you, Webhandler, Planetstephen, Boulderbalder, and Rwethereyet, showed results that could be considered "mediocre" (i.e., they need another procedure of comparable magnitude to the first to achieve the optimal result, by their own account). I did not include HT0416 because his surgery was over two years ago (in other words, outside the timeframe in contention). That means, in this forum alone, and at the time I did my analysis in the beginning of December, there were 10 great results since the end of 2016, 11 good results, and 5 that were "mediocre." So let's do the math here....21/26 = 81% good or great and 5/26 = 19% that were mediocre. None were poor (poor being defined as the hair looking the same or worse than it did before surgery). For a good example of what "poor" looks like, see Sanjar41 and Sufferer12, who went to a clinic in Colorado and had truly awful results, by their own account. When combining results from the French and Italian forums with those of this forum, the results were essentially the same -- 48% great, 33% good, 19% mediocre, and 0% poor (so, doing the math, 81% good to great) -- but with a much larger and more statistically significant sample size. In this forum, it also looks like grantleebuffalo and cali101 will soon be in one of the top two tiers (although I had initially rated them as inconclusive, as their procedures were 5 months ago or less when I did my analysis); we can also add Panos1982 to the ranks of "great" as well. I hadn't included Panos in my initial analysis since his post was put up afterwards. I understand you're upset, as the numbers above would be of no solace to someone who is in the unfortunate minority. However, you clearly are in a very vocal minority of dissatisfied patients. Furthermore, there is plenty of evidence that the clinic reached out to those that were dissatisfied to try to help those patients. Planetstephen is going back for a touch-up this month. HT0416 was offered a repair but declined. You have openly stated you won't go back there, and you're not even at 10 months post-op (when everyone repeatedly told you you need to wait 12-18 months), so what exactly do you expect from them? The clinic says they offer a 90% regrowth guarantee, which means you wouldn't pay a cent if you got a yield lower than that. As far as the technicians are concerned, you make a lot of assumptions about their level of experience and the idea that it was their involvement that led to your mediocre results. You have no idea what caused your results. Your fever on the first night may have been your body rejecting your grafts, for all you know, but you chose to assume that it was the technicians' fault. You have no evidence of this. You make several claims that you were misled about the surgeon's degree of participation in the surgery. Nowhere on the ASMED website, or anywhere else, does Dr. Erdogan claim to carry out the entire procedure himself. Once again, you made an assumption which could have been easily clarified with simple research or questions posed to your coordinator. I asked my coordinator these questions prior to my surgery and she explained every aspect of the process to me, in detail. You weren't mislead....you just didn't ask questions and made unsafe assumptions about what the experience would be like. Finally, with respect to HT0416's hairline shape....buddy, you really need to take some responsibility for this. Why didn't you ask Dr. Erdogan to change the hairline before surgery began if you didn't like it? I asked the doctor like 3 different times to modify my hairline before I gave them the go-ahead to proceed, and he was happy to make the adjustments for me each time. You are responsible for taking an active role in your own hairline design. Don't just leave it up to the doctor to make that determination and then whine about it later, when you had ample opportunity to make a change.
  25. 4 points
    Stop this nonsense man he wasn't being racist. He emphasized that H&W employs asian techs but said nothing disparaging about turkish people, only that H&W has superior techs because they have medical backgrounds. There is no racism here and this coming from someone with middle eastern ethnicity. The point about intelligence is clearly about their graft handling intelligence, at least that is how I interpreted it. His post made very valid points though, Erdogan employs very young girls with no medical background and isn't there to supervise them during extractions or implantation, you can email him yourself and they will refuse to disclose any information about their techs academic backgrounds, and for good reason. If he was more involved in the process I'm sure we would see more natural results coming out this clinic, right now I'm not at all surprised about the state of my hair all things considered.
  26. 4 points
    Well I am almost at the 1 year mark (3 days shy)!! But as I have family in town I likely will miss the date to update so wanted to give my results today! My family's coming in from England tomorrow and they haven't seen me since just before and after the operation. So this will be the biggest testament in terms of what they notice and how different I look. - Of course they know about the transplant, but will see it for the first time in person. I am growing my hair out and after a few weeks of the awkward stage it's finally getting better in terms of being more manageable and doing what I want it to. Overall at the 12 month mark I am ecstatic over how different I look. The fact the hair shapes my face, I don't mind about the wind as it's a quick fix. I can part my hair either side of my head (photos to follow). I've had a ton of compliments stating how I look 8-10 years younger than before, is it from working out, diet? I've been very open with everyone who's asked about what's different, and no-one has even guessed that I had a hair transplant until I tell them. They're reactions are priceless..I can almost hear their inner voices changing as they process that information "Are you crazy, woah that's so cool, hmm maybe I should get one" haha! This forum has been a huge help and I really appreciate everyone reaching out to ask about my story and following this thread. I will be continuing to post my journey over the next few months too. Thank you all and feel free to ask me any questions that I can help answer
  27. 4 points
    Not sure anyone can say with any great conviction they have stopped balding (unless a person has lost all the hair on top), even more so if they are not on medication and in their 20s or 30s. MPB is progressive and can creep up on you at any age even when you feel it has stopped. With regards to finasteride, it's pretty simple .......by taking it you are playing the percentage game and giving yourself a better chance of keeping hold of remaining hair while adding through a HT and thus increasing the chances of holding onto a result. HT's can and are done without finasteride but the emphasis on mapping out a plan with your surgeon for the future is much greater imo and you may find yourself looking at another procedure sooner than you thought if/when you continue to lose your native hair. You would need enough donor supply to cover future loss and it needs to be used wisely with one eye on the future. For that reason, they'd more than likely be a need to be pretty conservative in your expectations without finasteride i.e wouldn't be expecting to lower a hairline too much if you still have a fair amount of native hair or throwing too many grafts at the crown/vertex area. In a way, guys who have more extensive loss probably have a better chance of getting away with a HT without finasteride. Usually a clear pattern has developed and a surgeon can probably better predict where the loss maybe heading in the future and a conservative approach is usually taken. When the donor supply/characteristics have permitted and in the hands of good surgeons, I've seen some good results with these kind of patients but they have generally been conservative and on patients in their late 30s onwards. Think guys who still have a lot of native hair and decide to go for a HT without finasteride (especially younger guys) are playing a guessing game and this is where it gets tricky imo. Think any good surgeon will look to mitigate the uncertainty factor as much as possible and finasteride is an important 'tool' that aid's that.
  28. 4 points
    Most of the results look poor. same people commenting on all the results must be mods or affiliated to the clinic saying bravo job. dr erdogan was once a highly rated surgeon back in 2013 in that time he has changed how he practices moving to bigger clinics and having 4 patients plus a day 2000-3000 grafts per patient. results are just not the same, once surgical assistant dilek is now head boss running a bunch of young surgical assistants with dr erdogan supervising from head office via monitors. patients are no longer getting a dr erdogan hair transplant they are getting a asmed hair transplant, completly different to what you once got hence the poor results. Lots of un natural results coming out of this clinic, lots of patients are afraid to speak up about it. A gang of keyboard bullys will attack you and tell you have mental problems.
  29. 4 points
    Pelodinero, How you present yourself on this forum and interact with physicians and other members is cause for concern. No two patients are the same, there are several variables to hair restoration, hair shaft diameter is one of the most if not the most important aspect to the overall cosmetic outcome of a procedure and it's obvious this patient has extremely fine hair. With that said, I agree this result is not jaw dropping, but you already posted one negative comment about the result, fair enough you didn't think it was a good result. However, you continue to be demeaning and have an overall toxic attitude. You have had a hair transplant yourself, but you have never posted a picture of your results, I am sure you wouldn't like it if someone continuously put down your result not once, not twice, but three times. I have already warned you previously and it seems you can't help yourself. Every result is attached to a person and you never know if that patient visits our forum. Every single person here is a hair loss sufferer and knows how difficult it is to deal with someone putting you down, this will be my second warning, a third time and I will be forced to suspend your posting privileges indefinitely. It's clear the patient could improve further, but it is also clear that his appearance has improved and he now has a frame to his face. Everyone is welcome to share their opinion on the result, good or bad, but guys let's be respectful. Warm regards- Melvin
  30. 4 points
    Oh yeah...I was 64. Had my 2nd at 66. I had a Heart Attack at 65. Off year, ya know. There is no excuse needed for wanting to look better at any age. I feel stronger, sing better, and have great plans for my 70's. Guys who say they want to look good now and won't care when they hit 50 need to hit 50. Then we'll talk!
  31. 3 points
    Hi there, Welcome. Dr Rahal is an excellent choice too so might be worth discussing your previous case to. Regarding your questions about other surgeons. You are pretty much looking at the Harlem Globe Trotters there and ALL excellent surgeons who've proven to be very consistent with FUT ands FUE. Try meet with as many as you can in person or speak to them via spoke etc and get a feel for them. I know a few of the personal and they are very caring, skilful ethical surgeons. Good luck and let us know how you get on. Regards SPEX
  32. 3 points
    This is a very “hot” topic!! Thanks for bringing it up. I do think that a lot of the modified names are purely made up for marketing reasons. Hair transplant clients come in two categories: the really well researched and those who are not. The well researched would know the main difference between the procedures and the fact that there are several extraction and placement techniques that can equally produce great results. It comes down to what works well for the surgical team as a whole. As for the non researched group, (which is consistently growing as HT surgery is becoming more and more main stream due to some cost cutting providers) they will simply go after any name advertised. We often get enquiries asking for a HT procedure that I haven’t even heard of. This phenomenon of new names is made to target this segment. I dont think anyone on this forum belongs to this group.
  33. 3 points
    Gabreille, let's take your "report" one step at a time.... Finasteride might just be the most misunderstood drug or the most manipulative seducer. (What are you talking about)? Proscar, the parent medication, is used to treat prostate issues. Patients were coming back to their doctor with more hair and this was the beginning of it all. Especially when it comes to the part of a physician prescribing it to the patients or not prescribing it, it becomes almost impossible to come out unscathed. One most definitely does not want to be blamed for being the cause of anybody's sexual disintegration Perhaps it is the specialty of the doctor that dictates their level of knowledge. I think it is fair to say that a PCP in a family practice would probably know a lot less about hair loss than a hair transplant surgeon that has been dealing with the subject for years. Perhaps this is the misunderstanding you are referring to? If you don't know something, ask or refer the patient to someone that does know the answer. The worse thing that can happen is for a patient to remain uneducated and do nothing. How many times have we heard "I wish someone would have explained all of this when I still had my hair." You mention "sexual side effects" throughout your script. There are other side effects associated with the medication and there always seems to be more come out that had not been discussed previously. And there have been benefits discussed as well. The latest I heard, from a doctor that did his thesis on the subject, dealt with possible dementia after years of use. We'll have to wait and see what comes of this. For me, I plan to take the medication for the next 200 years. (Let's bring back the parent medication, Proscar, for a second. How many millions of patients take this medication, successfully to address prostate issues? Do you hear of all the side effects they are experiencing? Consider that this is a 5mg pill, which is 5 times Propecia/Finasteride dose). The power of the mind is incredible. If I was to give a patient an M&M and tell them there would be a side effect with it, do you think the patient will eventually experience that exact side effect? You bet. Many doctors believe that there is more testosterone under the medication than without. Why not tell patients this? If a doctor, without giving enough time to confirm that there will be side effects, does not prescribe the medication it is typically because he is under the strong belief that the medication will either be unsuccessful, or has developed predetermined notion that the medication will eventually result in harm to the patient. Who's fault is it? The rep that gave him the info originally? Is it what you can read on the internet? (Which brings up the question, who wrote it?). The fact is, all patients are different, some will experience side effects and some won't. But how would you know without the patient trying it? Thanks for bringing up the subject of a medical therapy. It is a huge component when it comes to hair retention. Do research, speak with the doctor(s) and decide if is the path you want to take. Lots to consider, particularly when it is a long-term medication. Once you're on it, stay on it otherwise you will lose the benefit and and the time and money invested will be wasted.
  34. 3 points
    The results are not complete. Would this result be acceptable at 12 months? No, but it isn't twelve months and not by a long shot. I find it particularly troubling when more and more posters are thinking that 5-7 months should be enough time to tell what the results will look like and I'm sorry that's just not true. For 7 months I think there is definitely a cosmetic improvement and I would be hopeful. Sorry, I'm not going to join the brigade of posters who think they should have their final results by 6 months.
  35. 3 points
    Nice topic Melvin. I certainly deal with a lot of “victims” of black market HT. Just few things that I gathered from my direct interaction with clients coming to us for some help: 1. They bombard you with calls and texts before booking, but once you have the procedure, no follow up exists. Clients even call us to ask about aftercare instructions, which you would think should be discussed after having any procedure. 2. It is almost exclusively run by unlicensed techs. 3. Exaggerated number of follicles promised and all in one day sessions with multiple patients in the same day. Says a lot about quality control. 4. They attract clients with attractive prices, BUT most of them end up forcing them to buy PRP kits for the full year, products, shampoos etc that will cost more than the actual procedure. So clients end up paying double the advertised price. 4. They are creative in naming techniques. By that, I dont mean FUT or FUE (since they only do FUE anyway). But it’s also giving names such as ICE FUE, CHOI FUE, Sapphire FUE, DHI, etc etc. There is a new name almost daily. A lot of people fall for names thinking that this is the latest technology. They even claim to have robots doing the surgery despite the fact that their prices dont even cover the kit price of the robot per surgery. At the end of the day, you would hardly remember the price you paid for a good procedure, but you will remember the price of a bad one!
  36. 3 points
    Looks impressive thanks for sharing. I think I'm gonna give PRP a shot and document it on YouTube and the forum. Fingers crossed 🤞
  37. 3 points
    Dirty, nationalistic hitjob article trying to lump the bad ones in Turkey together with the elite of the same country. As if it's the nation of Turkey that performs the transplant. Show me the British equivalents of the elite in Turkey such as Erdogan, Keser and Demirsoy. I haven't seen anything in Britain that delivers consistency in a way these guys do. I'm open to be proven wrong, though. As always, doing your research is key. It matters little where a great surgeon is based.
  38. 3 points
  39. 3 points
    for me, even having a "thinning" look after my hair transplants is way better than where I started - which was near complete baldness - therefore while I could achieve a denser look with products such as hair fibers, etc... I really don't want the extra hassle or fuss. In fact, just being able to shampoo, towel dry and add some gel and be out the door is an exhilarating freedom from the exhaustive time previously spent trying to cover up my baldness from comb-overs, hairsprays, etc. My HTs, while definitely an illusion of coverage, have given me a great relief, and that's what I'm appreciative of most.
  40. 3 points
    The reason companies like this offer money back guarantees is they know: 1- Many people will forget about the device or lose track of how long they've used it, and never even ask for their 6 month refund. They'll just eventually decide it doesn't work and toss it into a box in their closet. Or they'll keep putting it off till the last minute until it's too late. 2- They can put enough in the fine print to make it difficult to actually get your money back, and many people who try will give up after a 1-2 frustrating customer service experiences. (Look up the reviews of products with such offers and you'll see pleeeeenty of posts about how hard it was to actually get a reply from the company regarding a refund.) 3- For the few who stick it out and actually collect their refund, there is usually some sort of restocking fee; for something like this it could easily be $100. This small profit combined with the above 2 items makes it worthwhile enough for them to sell you something that probably costs them literally a few dollars to make and ship. So, essentially, they're playing the odds on consumer habits, and those odds are in their favor. It's like thinking a restaurant will fail by offering "all you can eat". They know that most people aren't going to come in and literally eat $157 worth of shrimp while only paying $11.99. If you feel it's worth it, by all means, pursue it and please post back your experience. But do also have a healthy sense of skepticism, because you risk wasting more than just money. You also risk wasting several months where a better option could have actually helped.
  41. 3 points
    Disagree. The crown is a black hole and quite a lot of the grafts went there judging by the final density and the size of the area to be implanted on in the last picture. With the temple points too, there is probably 2-2.5k in the front and 1.5-2k on the crown. The patient's face is framed much better and the hairline, whilst not low, looks much better. The best picture is the second one of the patient looking to the right (because of the sideways direction he brushes his hair). He looks much better on this one and he is only 3/4 way through the result now with another 3 months of growth to go.
  42. 3 points
    It’s either in ur head or .. if going by ur logic . I would take it step further and apply Minixodil to ur pubic hair near the groin area , so minoxidil vasodilator mechanisms will increase blood flow nearer to ur penis . = increased rock hard erections = bro science (‘.^)
  43. 3 points
    At this point you have heard it all Payam, the good, the bad... let me just say... I am disappointed in the result you've received and the bottom line is it should have been better for the money you are paying. If you had chosen a surgeon like Konior or H&W the likelihood you would have received a better result is quite substantial which speaks to the fact that sadly a. you get what you pay for and b. Asmed has become a transplant mill which focuses on numbers in and out the door as opposed to quality and focus one to one on each individuals case. This is apparent with the fact you get a roughly 15 minute examination by Erdogan before your surgery and you may not see him again the entire time, that's really just appalling treatment and turns the patient into a number on a conveyor belt. Those that have had good results with him or have vested interest in the clinic keeping it's reputation from 2017 will obviously dispute this and they have every right to but the sketchy results I've read on this forum alone over the last year really speak volumes for the inconsistency this particular clinic now has. Bro all you can do now is accept the subpar result and plan for the future. Chalk this up to a mistake in the surgeon you chose and focus on finding the right one who is going to fill in all the gaps Asmed left, this will be easily done by any clinic with a good track record, you know the ones. Use this as a learning experience and a teaching for your next procedure which will give you the full and desired result you wanted when you went in the first time. Try not to dwell on what has already happened because at this point it will only further cause you stress and anxiety and will not be good for the health of your hair or your person as a whole. You got this bro... start focusing on the next move... this is chess not checkers.
  44. 3 points
    HairsHoping, Just had a read though your thread and I think the in post op photos, the work looks incredible and super clean, your doctor approach is perfect I think. I believe the approach will reduce the trauma to both the donor and recipient area and in turn might well help the level of scaring in the donor area and graft survival having less done in this siting. I also had a low graft count over a much larger area and I could not be happier, like me I don’t think you have super high expectations being high Norwood the difference having some hair back up front will be life changing :-). Im sure your going to have an amazing result given your graft count, you will be able to see how your hair stabilises now your on the meds and your doctor can work around your hair loss in years to come; when you might need a top up and due to the approach you will still have the donor hair in the bank. I personally love the work and the approach done by this Doctor...
  45. 3 points
    Anywho I think both main people have points. 1) Asmed now doing 6 patients a day from debs thread is ridiculous. It’s impossible all techs are the same quality. You teach 12 people to learn drums the same way. You will get various quality drummers. Also fatigue will start may become a factor at that patient count. With that said, at 4 they were still producing good results. Without a bad rate. 2) If you are going to freak out from a result like payams, I don’t think you should get a transplant. It’s not good... but it’s not even close to butchering etc... 3) Payam discredits himself by exaggerating how bad things are, and wrong dates particularly at the start of this thread. 4) Jean is particularly defensive about this clinic, compared to stuff he says in other threads. Particularly when doubles in hairlines is fairly obvious in this and other patients.
  46. 3 points
    I wouldn’t remove any grafts either. The multis aren’t your primary issue, it’s density. If you add density between and behind the multis then they will blend into the hairline better. 1000 grafts along and behind the existing hairline would make a big difference for you. Plus a few hundred to fill in the sparse temple. Unfortunately you’ll need a second procedure to achieve your goals but I think you can achieve them.
  47. 3 points
    To the topic creator. You shouldn't go to ASMED based on how you feel now. If you are filled with worry. You will always doubt your decision to go there. (This is not related to ASMED), but you will be doubting yourself for 6 months regardless of how it goes. I've lurked here for a while... And I basically agree with Legend. My personal opinion is for massively large FUE, he is probably the best especially when cost is taken into an account. If you need 4k-5k of grafts. And only want one transplant for a chance at an acceptable result. There's not a whole lot of choices. For hairline work he seems average for a good doctor (which is still good). But still relatively cheap. If you are the type that needs to be able to call the doctor to get feedback. He's definetely not the one to go to.If you want to feel special, or significant. He's also not the one to go to for that either.
  48. 3 points
    Jean, I continued to get reports from various members claiming you are being a bully. I haven’t had time to read through this entire topic however, the fact that multiple members have reported this tells me that you must be saying something offensive or disingenuous. Therefore, I’m going to request once that you remain respectful especially since Melvin already had to comment about this. You’ve been a member for a while And I certainly appreciate your contributions. However, we do expect the members to respect one another and not unfairly malign one another or their doctors. Your Cooperation his anticipated and appreciated. Best, Bill
  49. 3 points
    Guys, In order to keep this environment fair, we must remain respectful, please keep the insults off this board. While we are free to voice our opinions about a certain result. Always remember that result is attached to a person, how would any of you feel if your results were being insulted? Yes, the doctor is posting on a public forum and is opening himself to scrutiny, but you never know id the patient frequents this forum. A simple “inadequate density” or “unsatisfactory result” response would suffice. Pelodinero, I have received a complaint from another member about you being negative and insulting, so this will be my warning to you. If I receive any further complaints I will be forced to suspend your posting privileges. We’re all adults here, lets treat eachother with respect. If you don’t like the results that’s fine, if you don’t believe in Artas that’s also fine, but lets stay objective and non-insulting. Warm regards- Melvin
  50. 3 points
    It doesn't actually look too bad from this angle, considering that the growth looks fairly even I think it could still improve hugely. I know you're a week behind 6 months but here's my 5 month, doesn't look much better: 9 months - final result:
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