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Old 09-06-2012, 02:58 PM
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Default Transplant #3 - 8 mos. Post-op

Now at 8 mos. post-op. Neither my first nor my second procedure took this long to see results.

While the scar line isn't visible at this length, at this point, I'm really thinking something went wrong here. The worst thing is that I still cannot go out without using a concealer (i.e. Toppik). As I told my doc, the whole reason for me going in a third time is so I won't have to keep using damn Toppik. Sometimes This really sucks when friends that know I've have HTs blurt out, "You're still bald". Toppik looks great once applied, but I risk embarrassment and can NEVER rest my head against anyone furniture unless it's black!

As you can see in the below photos:

1) There is still a linear depression directly below the rear scar line that has not minimized or healed (as I white-lined in the below photo). And, as you can see, the thatch of hair directly below this weird depression is more dense than above then strangely thins out again on the neck line. I never had these inconsistent variables of sparse and thick like this before.

2) Diffuse thinning remains on rear of crown and just above scar line.

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1) Permanent shock loss from multiple procedures

2) Delayed or no growth possible because of multiple procedures as I had complained about here:

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.co...ml#post2298975

Procedure #3 scar - 4 mos. post-op

3) Vascular compromise (decreased blood flow to the area caused by injury to the scalp from multiple procedures) and this may have resulted in sub-optimal graft growth

These posts are giving me some hope, but still think I'm cutting it awfully close:
Timing of Growth After Multiple Hair Transplants - Balding Blog

Blood Supply and Delayed Growth in Hair Transplants: Hair Restoration Paper | Bernstein Medical - Center for Hair Restoration

You can see my pre and early post-op photos here (click on the thumbnail, then click "Photo Info" for the description):
http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...PHOTO%20ALBUM/

Any advice and suggestions would be greatly appreciated at this point.

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Old 09-06-2012, 04:06 PM
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MCS,

I know exactly how you feel. I too have had 3 ht procedures. The first 2 were done in 2002 and 2003 and were both 1,200 grafts. As schedules the grafts shed, sprouted, grow, thickend and matured. I just hit the 10 month mark of my 3rd HT of 2,600+ grafts and do not see anything close to the results of just one of the 1,200 graft procedures.

I also have had previouly transplanted grafts shed and not grown back. From what I have read online Shockloss hairs will regrow if they were not programmed to miniturized and shed, therefore transplanted grafts would regrow.

In the area that I suffered previously transplanted graft loss, I have a few grafts in a patch that never shed and continued to grow, not as many hairs as was lost though. I also have a few of those types of grafts on the other side but not in a patch, more single strands, here and there.


I did not have any noticable shockloss with either of my first two HT's.

After 10 years I have never seen my scar, I can just feel it. My hair is about 10" long and pretty much covers up the area. I do know that I only have one scar and for the 2nd and 3rd ht they used the scar line to cut on. Your scar looks like it is above your ears. My scar is a lot lower and runs inbetween my ears.
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Old 09-06-2012, 04:26 PM
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sorry to hear things arent as you wish,have you tried nanogen as a concelar , i use it and it dosent get on pillows or clothes ,i never tried toppik.ive read some guys use dermatch on scar to help conceal,hang in there bro
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MCS,

I know exactly how you feel. I too have had 3 ht procedures. The first 2 were done in 2002 and 2003 and were both 1,200 grafts. As schedules the grafts shed, sprouted, grow, thickend and matured. I just hit the 10 month mark of my 3rd HT of 2,600+ grafts and do not see anything close to the results of just one of the 1,200 graft procedures.

I also have had previouly transplanted grafts shed and not grown back. From what I have read online Shockloss hairs will regrow if they were not programmed to miniturized and shed, therefore transplanted grafts would regrow.

In the area that I suffered previously transplanted graft loss, I have a few grafts in a patch that never shed and continued to grow, not as many hairs as was lost though. I also have a few of those types of grafts on the other side but not in a patch, more single strands, here and there.


I did not have any noticable shockloss with either of my first two HT's.

After 10 years I have never seen my scar, I can just feel it. My hair is about 10" long and pretty much covers up the area. I do know that I only have one scar and for the 2nd and 3rd ht they used the scar line to cut on. Your scar looks like it is above your ears. My scar is a lot lower and runs inbetween my ears.
Hey Mate,

Sorry to hear of your troubles. Have you talked to your surgeon and what is he saying about it? How close together were your surgeries? I am hoping the best for you but more information if your willing to share may be helpful. Take care, Michael
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:17 PM
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I know exactly how you feel. I too have had 3 ht procedures. The first 2 were done in 2002 and 2003 and were both 1,200 grafts. As schedules the grafts shed, sprouted, grow, thickend and matured. I just hit the 10 month mark of my 3rd HT of 2,600+ grafts and do not see anything close to the results of just one of the 1,200 graft procedures.

I also have had previouly transplanted grafts shed and not grown back. From what I have read online Shockloss hairs will regrow if they were not programmed to miniturized and shed, therefore transplanted grafts would regrow.

In the area that I suffered previously transplanted graft loss, I have a few grafts in a patch that never shed and continued to grow, not as many hairs as was lost though. I also have a few of those types of grafts on the other side but not in a patch, more single strands, here and there.


I did not have any noticable shockloss with either of my first two HT's.

After 10 years I have never seen my scar, I can just feel it. My hair is about 10" long and pretty much covers up the area. I do know that I only have one scar and for the 2nd and 3rd ht they used the scar line to cut on. Your scar looks like it is above your ears. My scar is a lot lower and runs inbetween my ears.
What has your surgeon said about this???
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:57 PM
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@MichaelJames My HT's 2002 for 1,200 grafts exactly a year later in 2003 for another 1,200 grafts and in 2011 for 2,600 grafts

@MCS Right before my 8th month mark I emailed over my pictures to the founder / owner of the clinic so they are aware of my situation. I was emailed back they would revisit this issue at my 12 month mark. The 12 month mark is fine if I had sprouts and fine hairs and was waiting for them to thicken and mature, but I don't. I see my 12 months being the same as the 10 month marks and the 8 month mark.
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I had my third this May and my scar is the same on the right hand side.

My theory is that the staples started on the left side and moved right. There was more skin and play ar the beginning and when you closed up, things got tighter. Its like a jacket with a jumper , its easy at the bottom but after closing over that belly and chest, it fills out and gets tight.

So tight closure causes more shock loss and wider scar.
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I had my third this May and my scar is the same on the right hand side.

My theory is that the staples started on the left side and moved right. There was more skin and play ar the beginning and when you closed up, things got tighter. Its like a jacket with a jumper , its easy at the bottom but after closing over that belly and chest, it fills out and gets tight.

So tight closure causes more shock loss and wider scar.
That a plausible theory. The question then is whether the hairs eventually grow back from the shock loss.
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Yes - my shock less was nasty. I took a picture and sent it to the Clinic. The doc suggested Biotin to speed up growth , I was already taking MSM. That really did the trick for me. All the areas affected have grown back outside of the scar. As it was a tight closure, it was not a tricho so I guess I might have to FUE into scar or have the Tattoo dots !
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Yes - my shock less was nasty. I took a picture and sent it to the Clinic. The doc suggested Biotin to speed up growth , I was already taking MSM. That really did the trick for me. All the areas affected have grown back outside of the scar. As it was a tight closure, it was not a tricho so I guess I might have to FUE into scar or have the Tattoo dots !
That's good to know. I have been taking 15mg biotin, MSM, saw palmetto, Vit A, P5P, omega 3s, C, E, zinc, NAC, choline, and a ton of other stuff. I will be adding niacin as well. My hair grows pretty fast.

Did you know your doc didn't do tricho at the time you had your procedure?
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