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Scalp Micropigmentation (SMP) Discuss the increasingly popular Scalp Micropigmentation (SMP) procedure here, including the advantages, disadvantages and possible long term effects.

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Old 01-12-2018, 10:53 PM
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Let me tell you a funny story almost two years ago. After all the crap I had been through in the previous 3 months against all odds I was approved to have my second bone marrow transplant. Part of the protocol was to have 12 session of full body radiation to completely destroy my bone marrow. Before this started I had a meeting with the radiologist (Lady doctor doing the radiation). All my hair had fallen out (from 3 months of chemo) and all that was left was smp dots from 2.5 years earlier (I had SMP prior to getting cancer but after I was diagnosed I have full SMP as I was bald from chemo)
The doctor looked at me and said I hate to tell you this but you have really thick head of hair and it will not be the same after radiation. I did not say anything but all she was seeing was my SMP dots. She was right my hair never came back as before and it is very thin now
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Old 02-05-2018, 01:42 PM
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Mark I am only sharing my story. I am not blaming anyone. From what I have heard Beauty Medical is great company with no issues. I have met both Giorgio and Milena on a few occasions and they are great. Mine is temporary but after 4-5 years it is still there. That is the issue with temporary SMP you can not predict how long it last. My friends SMP only lasted 1 month.
If I read that SMP had a small chance of cancer before I did it, I would have still done it. This in no way is an attack on any company or on SMP but I think it is important to share my story.
I recently had an oncologist as a client that came to me for my scalp micropigmentation application. This oncologist is a doctor with the Cancer Treatment Centers of America, they are second only to Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. I showed him a copy of the article from the link posted regarding tattoo ink spreading into lymph nodes.

I will quote what the onocologist advised me "That the source of this particular article is not recognized as a reputable source in the oncology community and is no different than a mere editorial or heresay of someone's opinion and is not supported by true facts."

So who in fact are the "researchers" referred to in this article? There has been nothing published in the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of Clinical Oncology, JAMA or any other recognized medical journal regarding this particular subject.
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Old 02-05-2018, 05:34 PM
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I agree there is no clear evidence but is there any possibility of a link?

I respect doing smp is someone's livelihood as well as making a huge difference to many but the safety side needs to be discussed,

So from the way I see it,

the moment the ink is put on etc in the body it is recognised by the body as foreign and it starts to work against it/ to get rid of it
(even if it takes x no of years).
Then it goes thru your body, cells, bloodstream, clearing process by the body, does this have any type of effect as it is defiantly not natural.

Many people seem to be getting cancer now all these environmental things we have brought upon ourselves.

Please correct me as I have low donor supply and a large hair loss area.
My family history is nw7 so been around nw6 does not give me any confidence to risk ht/s.

Smp would be a great option for me if only it is safe...

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Old 02-05-2018, 06:00 PM
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I agree there is no clear evidence but is there any possibility of a link?

I respect doing smp is someone's livelihood as well as making a huge difference to many but the safety side needs to be discussed,

So from the way I see it,

the moment the ink is put on etc in the body it is recognised by the body as foreign and it starts to work against it/ to get rid of it
(even if it takes x no of years).
Then it goes thru your body, cells, bloodstream, clearing process by the body, does this have any type of effect as it is defiantly not natural.

Many people seem to be getting cancer now all these environmental things we have brought upon ourselves.

Please correct me as I have low donor supply and a large hair loss area.
My family history is nw7 so been around nw6 does not give me any confidence to risk ht/s.

Smp would be a great option for me if only it is safe...

Thanks
Only if the pigment is inorganic and not carbon-based may it be rejected. Our bodies are made up of 18% pure carbon, so there is no rejection of any carbon-based pigments. As many SMP-MS companies utilize inks that contain heavy metals, yes, these in fact can be rejected by the body. My pigments are carbon-based with no possibility of rejection, that's why I researched and engineered them for my System. I cannot, however, speak for other companies. Any provider you may consider, make sure they advise you of the ingredients. I say over and over, RESEARCH the company you may be considering and don't fall for a sales pitch. Look for good, solid information that is provable. And hopefully, they will tell you the truth. You are more than welcome to contact me at info@markwestonhair.com and send photos.

We are no longer in simpler times and many environmental conditions now cause cancer and other diseases.
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I recently had an oncologist as a client that came to me for my scalp micropigmentation application. This oncologist is a doctor with the Cancer Treatment Centers of America, they are second only to Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. I showed him a copy of the article from the link posted regarding tattoo ink spreading into lymph nodes.

I will quote what the onocologist advised me "That the source of this particular article is not recognized as a reputable source in the oncology community and is no different than a mere editorial or heresay of someone's opinion and is not supported by true facts."

So who in fact are the "researchers" referred to in this article? There has been nothing published in the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of Clinical Oncology, JAMA or any other recognized medical journal regarding this particular subject.
Mark I do not have an financial gain or loss sharing my story. Just to let you know I have a cousin and her husband (head of department) that are lymphoma specialists at the Mayo Clinic, so believe me I have asked alot of questions. I am not going to get into the details.
I got cancer soon after my smp, went into remission got smp again and the cancer returned. Now this could be coincidence but for me it is IMPORTANT to share my story. People can do whatever they want, to me it does not make a difference. As I stated before I have nothing to gain or lose.
Let me ask you a question. Do you guarantee on a contract your clients signs that SMP does not cause cancer? Probably not because nobody knows for sure and if someone get cancer after your SMP it could have nothing to do with it. I understand this is your living and you want to protect your investment. My intentions are not to hurt anyone or tell anyone not to do SMP. I said it before it was reading the same story by someone else and had never had cancer, I would get SMP done because I would say even if the odds are low, it could never happen to me.
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I agree there is no clear evidence but is there any possibility of a link?

I respect doing smp is someone's livelihood as well as making a huge difference to many but the safety side needs to be discussed,

So from the way I see it,

the moment the ink is put on etc in the body it is recognised by the body as foreign and it starts to work against it/ to get rid of it
(even if it takes x no of years).
Then it goes thru your body, cells, bloodstream, clearing process by the body, does this have any type of effect as it is defiantly not natural.

Many people seem to be getting cancer now all these environmental things we have brought upon ourselves.

Please correct me as I have low donor supply and a large hair loss area.
My family history is nw7 so been around nw6 does not give me any confidence to risk ht/s.

Smp would be a great option for me if only it is safe...

Thanks
Thanks I agree. http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/tattoo-health-1.4288837 interesting article.

Tattoo ink has been known to leak into lymph node as the picture shows. There could be many reasons for this but this is a possibility. It is not known if this causes cancer or not. There is no need to me to discuss this more since I have already shared my views and story.
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Old 02-06-2018, 07:47 AM
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Mark I do not have an financial gain or loss sharing my story. Just to let you know I have a cousin and her husband (head of department) that are lymphoma specialists at the Mayo Clinic, so believe me I have asked alot of questions. I am not going to get into the details.
I got cancer soon after my smp, went into remission got smp again and the cancer returned. Now this could be coincidence but for me it is IMPORTANT to share my story. People can do whatever they want, to me it does not make a difference. As I stated before I have nothing to gain or lose.
Let me ask you a question. Do you guarantee on a contract your clients signs that SMP does not cause cancer? Probably not because nobody knows for sure and if someone get cancer after your SMP it could have nothing to do with it. I understand this is your living and you want to protect your investment. My intentions are not to hurt anyone or tell anyone not to do SMP. I said it before it was reading the same story by someone else and had never had cancer, I would get SMP done because I would say even if the odds are low, it could never happen to me.
I was just trying to submit additional information. I am not a doctor and cannot guarantee about the conventional SMP not causing cancer as I do not offer "SMP-MS." We all appreciate you sharing your story, as unfortunate as it is. The most important thing above all, is your health and hopefully remission.
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One of the problems is it's a new treatment and until we get enough number of people who had it done over x number of years,
I guess we will not know for sure.

Mark - I'm based in the U.K and cannot travel at the moment, thanks,
You say your inks are different many people say similar things I'm not disputing with you but how are we supposed to know what is safe and what will not cause us further harm...

Lorenzo - just to clear would you have smp again or recommend it, from your opinion?
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Lorenzo - just to clear would you have smp again or recommend it, from your opinion?
After all that I have been through I will never do SMP again. As for recommending it I would tell the truth. I would share my story and then give them my opinion about SMP. This what I believe
1) I am very happy with how my SMP looks or looked. I still have SMP and in some places, it has been there for more than 5 years, I did not think this is normal
2) If done by the right person or company SMP looks very natural and great. I have seem some photos from Marks work and it does look top notch.
3) At no fault of the tattoo artist but sometime even with the best, SMP can fade very quickly (less than a month). This has alot more to do with the person than the SMP company. Again I am talking about top SMP companies.
I have enclosed some picture after I lost my hair during my second fight with cancer. All there is on my head is SMP, the side were done more than three years before the top was done a few time , last time I believe 10 month earlier.
I will tell you a funny story. I was seeing my radiologist shortly after these photos to discuss my full body radiation. She told me your hair looks very thick but I have to tell you that it may not come back that thick. She did not know I had lost all my hair with chemo and all she was seeing was SMP.
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I had considered SMP years back until I saw Lorenzo's post from a few years ago about his situation.

It might be a coincidence....but this is cancer, I am not taking any chances with that over some SMP. Would never consider it now. I still feel the whole SMP thing is rather "new" in the grand scheme of hair treatments.....too many unknowns.

Doesn't matter where one gets their ink from.....EVERYTHING is being knocked off these days, a lot of it unknown to even the people selling it.
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