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Hair Loss Drugs Share your opinions and experiences regarding drugs like Propecia (finasteride), Minoxidil and others.

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Old 10-22-2017, 10:10 PM
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...or what underlying circumstances were prevalent before during and after the use of this drug.
This is something I am curious about too, is underlying circumstances. I think certain guys have a predisposition for whatever reason to respond badly to this med. Maybe for some of us it just affects the hormone levels too much or something. But I think there is something specific, maybe a compromised immune system, or I don't know... Interestingly, in researching all this, I found there are cases of women who have nearly identical issues to what I listed, but from the birth control pill. So I think maybe just some subset of people have a sort of delicate hormonal balance and can't handle it being disrupted.

As for the libido thing, mine went down somewhat early, but wasn't terrible. It didn't get really low until all those other sides hit, but even then, I think it was more that I was locked in fight or flight mode, and when your nervous system is in that state, just from a biological perspective, sex isn't important. No use trying to get laid when you're running from a predator, in evolutionary terms. So I think for me at least, a significant part of the libido issues was just being too distracted by the other sides to even think about sex.

Also, as for the appearance of the hair improving so quickly, I noticed that when I was on Fin, my usually slightly oily/greasy forehead and scalp were much less so. So maybe that oiliness is caused by DHT, and once Fin shuts that off, the hair is no longer laying kinda flat and bunched together as much, as oiliness can make it do. So maybe the fuller appearance is from that, a drier scalp just allowing the hair to stand up more and give the appearance of more coverage. But also, in general, I have pretty dry and frizzy hair, not shiny. When I was on fin, this changed almost instantly, and it looked shiny and healthy. Honestly, I was really surprised at how quick and drastic the change seemed to be as well.

But seems like you're having good results, so good on you for that. Again, despite how I reacted, I don't demonize Fin like I've seen some others do. I just think there is some small subset of men who are going to have bad issues. Unfortunately for me, and my hair, it seems I'm one of those.
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Old 10-23-2017, 07:11 AM
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Fin absolutely affects hormone levels...which is why its surprising to me that there isnt more CLEAR clinical studies and treatments associated with this drug. Im by no means a Doctor, but it would see to me that this PFS that some seem to experience could be bc of a hormone spike and then crash.....It reminds me of something similar to what a Body builder would experience when on steroids after doing a cycle of Test and other androgenic or anibolic steroids.

Which is why when i noticed a slight crash in my libido, i started to take testosterone, and hormone inducing supplements. I started taking Maca, which is known to regulate hormone levels as well as increase libido....along with zinc, and other supplements.

It seems to me that your PFS doctor you mentioned would have treated you syndrome by dialing in your hormones after the crash on FIn??

At any rate, for me i will just get off this seemingly unpredictable drug until they figure out how it effects the immune system and hormones. Nothing is worth what you seem to have gone through. And even though im not having any ED or Libido issue (that i can tell) the subtle issues iam experiencing, like rash, hives, itchy scalp, itching spells, tingling in the lips, dry skin etc...seem to "developing issues" in that, the effects of this drug CHANGE which tells me its NOT consistent, or worth a future "developing" issue...i mean whats next??? is what you will constantly ask yourself.

In closing its a shame bc Fin works for sure...its the only thing that works that ive tried. It grew my hair back. http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.co...h-results.html

The only thing i would ask would be did the hair that Fin grew fall back out after you stopped? if so how long after? My hope is to hopefully keep what grew with minoxidil although im not very optimistic about it.
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Old 10-28-2017, 10:54 AM
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I've read similar theories, re: hormonal spike and crash. Some think the reason is Fin slows down conversion of T into DHT, then when you come off it or get some kind of tolerance, DHT floods back in mass amounts and overloads and damages the receptors, which results in the body being unable to properly process the T/DHT, which leads to all the hormonal imbalances et al. But I can't say. There are several theories out there.

As far as that Dr. treating my hormonal imbalances, it was an option that I didn't want to do. I didn't want to treat the symptoms. Had I gone that route. I'd likely have been on T replacement therapy for life, which leaves you infertile, as well as needing anti-depressants et al. It would be like wack-a-mole--low T? here's a pill for that, depressed? here's a pill, brain fog, here's 2 more pills, insomnia, here are pills, anxiety--pills. I did not want to go down that rabbit hole and am glad I didn't. I felt that blindly shoving pharmaceuticals into my body caused this issue, it wasn't the way to solve it.

Anyway, I realize I've come off as quite negative in this thread, which I genuinely didn't mean to. As far as your quitting or not, it's totally a personal choice. Some men have issues, many others do not, and go on to have great hair for years and years. It's a hard choice and a gamble.

As for the hair, I stopped losing almost instantly on fin and that remained the case for a good few months after coming off. Maybe at about 3-4 months shedding increased somewhat, and recently it has increased even more, back to about pre-fin levels. It seems that the better my other symptoms get, the worse the shedding gets, sadly.

I'm considering trying Minoxidil, but like you am kinda skeptical. During the worst part of my situation I thought, after going through all this I won't care about hair once I'm well again. But as I get better, I'm like...damn...hair loss sucks! Haha...oh well.
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Old 10-28-2017, 12:06 PM
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I agree with you....makes you re evaluate how important hair is after a good scare on Fin. My goal is to do a HT this winter, and let the cards fall where they may...No Fin...No minoxidil....just a HT. And hopefully that gets me well into my 60s at least (im 49 now). Even noticing some sides with Rogaine now after 1yr str8...heart palpitations, and who knows if my allergic reaction and rash was from the Minoxidil and not the Fin..?...either way HT, with no chemicals or Rx is the path i will take from here on in. Rolling the dice with impotence shows how desperate we all are, but losing one of the greatest pleasures is not the way i plan on spending the rest of my life thats for sure.
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Sorry guys, but hair growth in cycles. Before the hair is pushed out, it is already detached from blood supply and nutrition for days/weeks. No way, that (3x0.5mg) FIN will have the described benefit in one week.

Furthermore the hair when grown out does not get blood or nutrition either. So no meds can affect its appearance (Assuming you still wash your hair), until it is regrown.

Meds for hair requires a long time to work. That is the reason why research is so slow and expensive and your stories appear very “anecdotal”.

Meds for hair requires a Long time to work, That is the reason why Research is so slow and expensive and your stories apear very anectotal.
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Old 11-27-2017, 06:48 PM
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Not sure which stories you are claiming to be anecdotal. I would suggest caution to anyone who is going on the medication. While it works for its intended purpose the threat of the sexual side effects is not fake and is proven through many studies.

I personally used it at 0.25mg daily for 1.5 years and decided to quite because I was 21 and experiencing sexual side effects. You can clearly tell when you are 21 and have absolutely no problems and then after taking a medication you clearly have a problem. The effects went away about 4 months after stopping. Just be sure that if you decide to take this medication that you monitor yourself.
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Not sure which stories you are claiming to be anecdotal ... While it works for its intended purpose the threat of the sexual side effects is not fake and is proven through many studies.
Well, if you would have read this thread and my post in particular you would have known which "stories" I was talking about.

Hint: I was speaking about enourmous benefits in just a couple of days which is completely unrealistic.

Regarding the side effects it is a complete other Story. I do not (!) think that the side affect are anectodal, but I think at least (!) they are severly overstated. Actually, this is what is proven by many scientific studies.
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And iam praying that my body bounces back from whatever this is.
This quote made my stomach drop and brought back a feeling and bad memories to me.

I found this amazing forum after reaching a HT and thought I would take the plunge and used a recommend surgeon from this forum, after visiting the surgeon I was recommended to take Propecia which I did once a day for just over 3 months.

So at first I got mild sexual sides after about 6 weeks, then I got at 3 months a weird feeling each day of not being able to concentrate and a really down the dumps feeling please understand this has never happened to me before and it got very bad and I really struggled at work.

I came of Propecia straight away as I new by body and new it was 100% from this and then a week later I had a crash and things got a whole lot worse and I did not no hoe to cope with this feeling.

I was going to cancel my HT (as I could not face up to doing anything to be honest) but went for it in the end and glad I did as its coming along now.

I am happy to say thank god (I did some praying and had not prayed in years) that I am now back to normal and I am enjoying life and working hard.

My only advice to you is to stop reading on the internet things regarding to the side of FIN as I did and it makes you panic more as it did that to me.

Best of luck to you kids are just coming the door now so I'm of :-).
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I personally used finasteride for many years, probably about seven or eight before I decided to stop… Not because of side effects either but because I just made a personal decision that I did not want to be on any medication for the rest of my life if I didn't have to. So I decided to stop taking it. That said, I have read about the possibility of short and long-term side effects even though they are supposed to be quite rare. At the end of the day, you will have to make your own decision however, you may want to speak to several physicians to get their input.

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So Bill, what are we suppose to do? How long have you been off Fin? I mean I’m near you in age. I’m 45 your about 40’ish. I personally freaked out a couple of years ago and had what I now call a mid life crisis HT. A 2000 graft FUE. By all accounts it would heralded by those on this forum site as a smashing success. However, there are still some grave problem it’s left me with to address. There is no ‘happily ever after’ to my HT story.

The recipient skin on the front of my head now has a permanent ‘plucked chicken skin’ appearance. The skin on my head almost never healed! The redness was SEVERE! And honestly after about a year, I just assumed it was permanent. It took OVER a year and half to resolve to the point where it wasn’t as noticeable. My main point with that, is that NO WAY my skin could tolerate another insult like that without potentially more severe and more noticeable disfiguring damage. So another HT is basically out of the question.

Which brings me to another issue. The meds! The Fin sex side effects has me freaked out. (If I’m being brutally honest here I’ve had some instances, not related to Fin, where I have had trouble getting big Jim up for the big game!). Also I have a VERY responsible job, and ANY brain fog issue would endanger the lives of those trusted in my care. It seems irresponsible for me to not only risk my on own health, but also potentially other people who wouldn’t have any way of knowing that I may be ‘impaired’ with this Fin induced brain fog.

I have been taking minoxidil for the past 2+ years without issue, until I recently developed a ‘whooshing’ murmur feeling and some chest discomfort in my heart from it. I’ve had to have expensive precautionary test ran on my heart. I discontinued minoxidil and within a couple of weeks, the side effects and chest pain seem to have gone away. Thank goodness. I hope I haven’t done any permanent damage to my heart with this.

So now, I can’t take Fin and I can’t take minoxidil. I’ve had a previous HT. What are we suppose to do in the future, Bill? Both of us aren’t taking (or can’t take) the most effective meds and we have had HT’s. So are we destined for ‘wigs’ now? Will we be able to just shave bald and hope it doesn’t look too bizarre? I don’t know, but for me, things seem fairly bleak at the moment. Maybe not at this particular moment, but in say 5-10 years.....then what??? What is you ‘plan’? What is your exit strategy from all this madness?

The most hilarious (and poignant) thing about all this, is that I no longer really care that much about being bald. I would love the opportunity to just shave it down to a no guard or a #1. But because of the damage to my skin in the way of donor scarring and recipient skin bumpy chicken skin texture appearance, I no longer have that as an option. At least I haven’t tried it yet.

Anyway, thank you for sharing the fact you decided to go off Fin. The post HT journey can be a rough one for some of us unlucky people. Honestly I would pay TRIPLE the cost if I could go back in time and never have done the FUE HT. Hindsight is always 20/20 though. One thing is undeniable.... I was VERY unhappy with my hair prior to the HT; and ironically I’m still unhappy with my hair situation following my HT. I think I was just going to be unhappy with my hair no matter what. Now I’m left try and figure out how the hell to manage this HT mess and not being able to take meds dilemma moving forward???
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So Bill, what are we suppose to do? How long have you been off Fin? I mean I’m near you in age. I’m 45 your about 40’ish. I personally freaked out a couple of years ago and had what I now call a mid life crisis HT. A 2000 graft FUE. By all accounts it would heralded by those on this forum site as a smashing success. However, there are still some grave problem it’s left me with to address. There is no ‘happily ever after’ to my HT story.

The recipient skin on the front of my head now has a permanent ‘plucked chicken skin’ appearance. The skin on my head almost never healed! The redness was SEVERE! And honestly after about a year, I just assumed it was permanent. It took OVER a year and half to resolve to the point where it wasn’t as noticeable. My main point with that, is that NO WAY my skin could tolerate another insult like that without potentially more severe and more noticeable disfiguring damage. So another HT is basically out of the question.

Which brings me to another issue. The meds! The Fin sex side effects has me freaked out. (If I’m being brutally honest here I’ve had some instances, not related to Fin, where I have had trouble getting big Jim up for the big game!). Also I have a VERY responsible job, and ANY brain fog issue would endanger the lives of those trusted in my care. It seems irresponsible for me to not only risk my on own health, but also potentially other people who wouldn’t have any way of knowing that I may be ‘impaired’ with this Fin induced brain fog.

I have been taking minoxidil for the past 2+ years without issue, until I recently developed a ‘whooshing’ murmur feeling and some chest discomfort in my heart from it. I’ve had to have expensive precautionary test ran on my heart. I discontinued minoxidil and within a couple of weeks, the side effects and chest pain seem to have gone away. Thank goodness. I hope I haven’t done any permanent damage to my heart with this.

So now, I can’t take Fin and I can’t take minoxidil. I’ve had a previous HT. What are we suppose to do in the future, Bill? Both of us aren’t taking (or can’t take) the most effective meds and we have had HT’s. So are we destined for ‘wigs’ now? Will we be able to just shave bald and hope it doesn’t look too bizarre? I don’t know, but for me, things seem fairly bleak at the moment. Maybe not at this particular moment, but in say 5-10 years.....then what??? What is you ‘plan’? What is your exit strategy from all this madness?

The most hilarious (and poignant) thing about all this, is that I no longer really care that much about being bald. I would love the opportunity to just shave it down to a no guard or a #1. But because of the damage to my skin in the way of donor scarring and recipient skin bumpy chicken skin texture appearance, I no longer have that as an option. At least I haven’t tried it yet.

Anyway, thank you for sharing the fact you decided to go off Fin. The post HT journey can be a rough one for some of us unlucky people. Honestly I would pay TRIPLE the cost if I could go back in time and never have done the FUE HT. Hindsight is always 20/20 though. One thing is undeniable.... I was VERY unhappy with my hair prior to the HT; and ironically I’m still unhappy with my hair situation following my HT. I think I was just going to be unhappy with my hair no matter what. Now I’m left try and figure out how the hell to manage this HT mess and not being able to take meds dilemma moving forward???
shave it down, get smp, stop being so dramatic.

edit, I apologize for the tough love but you're working yourself up to sound like there is no solution and that you're never going to be happy and if you approach it from that mindset you won't be. If you're not going to keep down transplant road, if you hate it now, there is your out.
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