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Old 10-26-2012, 08:23 AM
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Whilst some of the Doctors that you mention Bobilero, are undoubtedly doing great work, work up there with the very best, Europe in general is no way producing the results that North America are. This could simply be down to the size of USA and Canada, and therefore they will naturally have more skilled surgeons. Travelling to Canada/US is not particularly more stressing than travelling to other European countries. If you must fly, then you must fly, and I would rather add a few hours onto that flight time to go and visit the very best Doctors in the world. The cost to travel to some of these destinations, are not outrageously different from flying to many European destinations. The two Doctors that are mentioned in Belgium, I rate very highly. They are both undoubtedly very skilled and ethical Doctors. Whilst Doctors in Spain and Turkey, have and are achieving great results, in my opinion, they are not in the same league as many of the top Doctors in North America. The Doctors that I was seriously considering for my first session, that all important hairline and good density behind, were all situated in North America. I met Doctors in Europe, I just didn't feel quite the same way!
Not to mention USA and Canada both speak English as their mother tongue, whilst the European clinics that you mention will of course speak English, this is not necessarily the case in all areas throughout your stay, and translation issues can still always arise (not a good thing).

Either way, its great that there are many quality options available and everybody can make their own choices, that feel right for them!
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:39 AM
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Exactly. Its all down to where the patient is most comfortable and agreed they shouldnt let a bit of cost get in the way of that.

However while the US may have 'more' top level surgeons purely due to scale. After years of extensive research i did not find any significant high quality variance in results from the US against those of the European surgeons i mentioned. In fact in a lot of cases i have seen more impressive results come from Belgium and said Dr's.

The fact you can Eurostar to Brussels in 2 hours from London compared to 8-10 hours flight to US and dealing with US officials would be a pretty big deal for me.

When i say Europe i was referring to the mentioned Dr's only particulary in Belgium. My point is if you are in Europe and choose one of the top quality Dr's there is no need to travel to US.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:02 AM
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Bobilero,

Thats a great point, a 2 hour Eurostar trip into Brussels is definitely easier than travelling to US/Canada and going through customs and explaining your reasons for the journey. What does this cost?

The Doctors that you mention in Belgium interest me greatly! Have you had a procedure?

Sorry if this post has got a little off topic!
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:41 AM
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If you choose a respectable company that accompany you throughout the whole process, you will not have any translation issues.

Whilst i was in Turkey, i had a patient advocate with me throughout the procedure and afterwards. She was sat next to me the whole time and able to translate any of the more detailed parts, leaving the surgeons to focus on the work.

Flight to Turkey = approximately ?300
Flight to US/Canada = approx ?900

Not to mention the extra day or 2 you'd spend travelling and the additional cost of the procedure whilst there.

It was a no brainer for me, but others may prefer to travel further and pay more. Each to their own really.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:48 AM
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For my personal experience, I paid 4000 GBP for 1900 grafts. The flight I paid for using Virgin was between 350 to 400 GBP.

The flight is 6-7 hours to New York but it will differ to where you fly in North America.

You can walk through customs/security with a hat on, as I done this myself on my return flight.

It is not a lot of hassle in my honest opinion as knowing that hair transplant surgery is a one off (maybe 2 to 3 surgeries max) event in your life, pick the surgeon who you feel is best for the job to help you achieve your goal.
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Going from this information it would appear that not only is FUT the cheaper procedure but leads to a better result.

FUE v FUT.

Advantages of FUE:
-No linear scar in donor area
-Decreased healing time in the donor area
-No limitations on strenuous exercise after the procedure
-Less post-op discomfort in the donor area
-Useful for those with a greater risk of donor scarring (athletic and/or younger patients)
-Enables one to harvest finer hair from the nape of the neck


Disadvantages of FUE:
-Follicular units in FUE are harvested from a much greater area of the donor zone compared to FUT (In FUE, to obtain a sufficient number of grafts, follicular units must also be extracted from the upper and lower portions of the donor region and these may not be as permanent. Therefore, over time, the hair transplanted from these areas to other parts of the scalp may be lost)
-Graft quality is not as good compared to FUT (More difficult to capture the entire follicular unit – resulting in lower density)
-The scarring and distortion of the donor scalp from FUE makes subsequent FUE sessions more difficult
-In large hair transplant sessions, the entire donor area must be shaved

Source: http://www.bernsteinmedical.com/hair...-and-cons-fue/

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To compare the prices for each technique I am taking the price from Dr Bisangas site.

FUT:
The first 2000 grafts at €3.00
All additional grafts at €2.00

FUE:
The first 1000 grafts at €5.00
All additional grafts at €3.00


3,500 grafts:
FUT costs €9,000
FUE costs €12,500








Comparing that with Dr. Feller:


FUT: 3,400-3,600 graphs $14,000
FUE: $10 per graph - 3,500 grafts = $35,000








Dr. Farjo:

Quote from email: "For strip surgery we charge GBP 5 per follicular unit for the first 1000 units, GBP 2.50 for the next 1000 and GBP 2 thereafter."

"For FUE it is GBP 6 per Follicular unit."

3,500 grafts:
FUT: GBP 10,500
FUE: GBP 21,000








To put each into Euro for a better comparison:

3,500 grafts using FUT technique:

Dr. Bisanga: €9,000
Dr. Feller: €10,854
Dr. Farjo: €13,052


3,500 grafts using FUE technique:

Dr. Bisanga: €12,500
Dr. Feller: €27,135*
Dr. Farjo: €26,075

*Apparently Dr. Feller would only consider doing about 1,000 FUE graphs and recommends FUT as the best option in the majority of cases.


There is a large price difference for the FUE procedure.

What are the main reasons that FUE is more expensive?

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If this numbers are correct, then that surprises me greatly! Farjo charging significantly more than Feller FUT? Obviously, the states of currencies play a part here. For example, when I decided on Rahal, I exchanged this price into Euros. When it came down to paying four years later, I was paying almost 3000 Euro more, down to the huge difference in the strength or lack there of the Euro at those times.
Very interesting though!
My personal opinion sides with Dr Feller here though, that FUE is preferential (when considering all factors) to a much much smaller percentage of patients, as opposed to FUT!
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Old 10-29-2012, 05:51 PM
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Dublin, if you're considering FUE I wouldn't consider either Feller or Farjo. Feller I believe prices himself out of it, or at least for the majority, because he either doesnt like doing it and/or believes more in the success/ reliability of FUT. This is just my opinion from what I've read over the years.

Farjo I've never seen any FUE results, let alone anything of note.

No, of your list when it comes to FUE I would choose Bisanga without a doubt. And seriously consider Lorenzo or that guy in Turkey, his name escapes me just now but seen some truly impressive results from him, a few on here. That's it though. It's far too hit and miss and I would caution against it altogether unless you're adamant that it's your preferred route.

Like others I would encourage to review your shortlist having a good look at the best results on here and go from there. If you just do that it's a pretty good start.
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Surgeons prefer doing FUT as they get it done quicker, hence more profit.

Don't forget, with FUT, the grafts are usually extracted from the strip by technicians, not the surgeon, whereas a good FUE surgeon will punch the grafts themselves, therefore 'FUT grafts are higher quality' is completely false.

A good FUE surgeon gets the results without the scar but it's more expensive as its more time consuming.

20k + is ridiculous pricing. Go to Turkey and get 3k FUE (by a surgeon, not an assistant) for approx 5k including flights.

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