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Old 07-27-2012, 10:24 AM
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Have "ethics" risen or fallen?

Hard to say definitively. But I would say that if for nothing else but for there own sustenance clinics have to do what is in the best of interest of patient now - mainly due to the internet and forums like these. A couple of unhappy clients who are internet savvy can have a devastating impact on any business.
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Old 07-27-2012, 11:49 AM
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I don't think the ethics in this industry have gotten any better. Take a look at the forums online and you will see horror stories of ppl spend their life trying to get back to normal.
I still see doctors accept very young patients without educating them about the consequences.
I still see strip docrots accepting patients with MPB family history without putting them on meds for enough time to determine whether the meds are working for them or not or whether they develop any sides.
I still see doctors attacking their patients if the patient complain about his result.

HT is diffrent than any other cosmetic surgery, for example if you go for a nose job and you got a bad result, you can always go back for revision till you get what you want. With HT, it's diffrent since you have limited donor and if you waste them you will most likely end up a prisoner to you bad result and scars where you can't fix the result nor shave your head and move on.

Scarless HTs are a must now in my openion where at least patients still have the option to shave and move on if their result end up being disastrous... And this option is becoming reality now since dr. Carlos weseley scarless procedure will be available early 2013 as stated in his site, and also dr. Gho's HST which is scarless is already available now.
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:35 PM
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Scarless HTs are a must now in my openion where at least patients still have the option to shave and move on if their result end up being disastrous...
If you choose an elite doctor, the result would very rarely be "disastrous".
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:35 PM
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I think it is a plus and a minus. Here's my explanation:

The doctors that do hair restoration surgery and are willing to be scrutinized on sites like this have to elevate their game or else they will be caught and everyone will know they suck. So I will put in a kudos for this site that weeds out physicians who dont make the grade. Especially the docs who are on the cutting edge, the Coalition doctors, really elevate the game to a new level.

What I am now seeing is that there is new technology that is enabling the average plastic surgeon to extract grafts with these new devices, such as the neograft, these doctors think that by just having some instrument to get their hairs out, that that is all they need to do good hair restoration surgery. I have written abotu this before: I see advertisements all over the place for "Scarless surgery" and they are saying the Neograft can achieve that. That is 100% false and it is false adversiting and very deceitful for the average person who does not know better. I think I will continue my crusade and call out these shady groups.

Also, there are groups that are saying, (and I know because I am still looking at redoing my transplant, as I have stated for years - just got to get the time and curage) that this ACell stuff is like holy water and can fix any scar. I talked to a group in L.A. who said they would throw the stuff in for free. Immediately when they said that, I knew they were full of crap and just trying to get a sale.

So that is where I feel it is going down because groups are telling the lay person with no hair restoration experience things that will get them to sign up that are totally false. If you weed them out, and look at the docs who are willing to let it hang out and show their stuff and answer, then you at least know who you can see that will ethically help you.
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Old 07-27-2012, 02:26 PM
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If you choose an elite doctor, the result would very rarely be "disastrous".
Let's say you go to a topnotch doc for a strip op and he accepted you knowing that you are not on meds and that you have nw6/nw7 in your family (and this case happens alot and i know because i consulted online with reputable doctors who recommended strip for me knowing my high norwood family history and the fact that i won't take propecia), so you end up with great hairline and frontal result, but a couple of years later you start losing more and more native hair and end up being nw6 or nw7 with no enough donor supply. Wouldn't that be disastrous (with unnatural patch of hair in the front area, the rest is sly from the top with a scar at the back) ??
Im not against strip in general, but im against doctors who perform it and recommend it for everybody. Even if the patient says he will start with meds after surgery, i think it's not enough for an ethical doctor to proceed specially knowing the patient family history and the possibility of sides. This is why i said the doctor should put the patient on meds first for enough time to see if it's gonna work with no sides and then proceed which rarely happens.

By the way those cases happen all the times and if you take a look at the support groups you will be shocked.
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Old 07-27-2012, 02:54 PM
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By the way those cases happen all the times and if you take a look at the support groups you will be shocked.
So you are claiming the elite doctors have disasters "all the time"?
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I see advertisements all over the place for "Scarless surgery" and they are saying the Neograft can achieve that. That is 100% false and it is false adversiting and very deceitful for the average person who does not know better. I think I will continue my crusade and call out these shady groups..
i agree with that, it's sad when you see some "doctors" still market FUE as a scarless procedure which is not true, but thanks to the internet and hair loss forums like this ppl know better now. there is nothing called scarless FUE.
In my openion, the only scarless procedure available now is Gho's HST regardless if you beleive that happen because of re-growth in the donor area (as gho claims) or just splitting hairs (as gho skeptics think).
Hopefully, we'll have dr. Carlos wesley scarless procedure available soon for more options.

BTW - having scars on the back of your head might not matter to so many ppl but but it does matter alot for some ppl with high nw levels in the family or those who can't take meds and they know they might end up nw6 or nw7.
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So you are claiming the elite doctors have disasters "all the time"?
I explained the case im talking about very clearly plz go back and read my post again.
However, i'll answer ur question again in case you don't wanna go back and read the post again:

So you are claiming the elite doctors have disasters "all the time"?

Simple answer is NO i don't claim that, for the following raesons:
1) not everybody will end up being nw6 or nw7.
2) not all patients develop sides on meds or refuse to take propecia. in fact many patients respond just fine and might maintain their native hair just fine.
3) not all doctors accept very young patients.
4) In my first post i said there are doctors doing this and that... I DIDN'T SAY ALL DOCTORS.
5) if you don't beleive me regarding the support group thing, you can take a look at some of the hair support group forums and see for yourself.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:07 PM
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I explained the case im talking about very clearly plz go back and read my post again
I have read your post again and do not see data to support
your claim that "Scarless HTs are a must now in my openion".

For who? Certainly not everybody.

Ok FUT may not be for everybody ..but what is perfect for everybody?

FUE is not for everybody either, and neither are the other alternatives and most of them are not even readily available yet....so we don't know how successful they will be, if there are yet unknown downsides, nor what the costs will be.

Support forums have their place, but every procedure or drug I've ever had to have I have read in some support group how it was a "total nightmare" and "DO NOT TAKE IT or DO NOT HAVE THE SURGERY". Support forums rarely attract patients that have great success. I am not dismissing support forums completely but one must take them in proper perspective.

Many of the top elite doctors in the world are still very actively doing FUT and I just think it's not supportable to imply they are doing something irresponsible or reckless.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:29 PM
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I have read your post again and do not see data to support
your claim that "Scarless HTs are a must now in my openion".

For who? Certainly not everybody.

Ok FUT may not be for everybody ..but what is perfect for everybody?
I really don't know why we arguing, you just supported my points. Again i was not talking about all cases and below i quote some stuff that i said in my previous posts:

You said: "I have read your post again and do not see data to support
your claim that "Scarless HTs are a must now in my openion".

And i said before:
"BTW - having scars on the back of your head might not matter to so many ppl but it does matter alot for some ppl with high nw levels in the family or those who can't take meds and they know they might end up nw6 or nw7"

You said: "Ok FUT may not be for everybody ..but what is perfect for everybody?"

And i said before: "Im not against strip in general, but im against doctors who perform it and recommend it for everybody"

Again i was not talking about all cases, i was only talking about specific cases where patients are young, not on meds (because of sides or fear of sides) and with high norwood history in their family, and still being accepted for FUT by some doctors.

In other cases, FUT could work just great and gives amazing results.
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