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Scalp Micropigmentation (SMP) Discuss the increasingly popular Scalp Micropigmentation (SMP) procedure here, including the advantages, disadvantages and possible long term effects.

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Old 05-31-2012, 06:53 PM
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It was in London and I'm not sure but his name was Damen and he was running the London clinic, not to confuse him with Damien which is forum administrator.

What I don't like was the hairline definately, which was way to well -defined and helmet shaped.
It's sounds like you saw Damien, who is one of the originators of the procedure. He has a very defined contrast and look to his which he obviously prefers.

Here's what I don't understand judging by your comments, you seem to think there is a one-size fits all approach by the clinics which couldn't be farther from the truth. At least with HIS Hair they use gradients of color ink to match your natural hair color. Further, a patient typically goes to 3-4 sessions until the ink is matched to ther liking.

Have you been on their website? Pictures are pictures just like any hair transplant clinic, but I'm surprised you say the things you've said with the sheer number of patient photos and the unique results of each person. What you don't have is a bunch patients looking like Damien clones.

I think if there is a criticism to be made its that they give patients exactly what they want in terms of hairlines. If you're 50 years old but want a straight, low, juvenile hairline, they'll give it to you. But in saying that it doesn't take away from the actual quality of the work they're doing.

I should mention they have a forum on their website just like this where patients and prospective patients can ask questions, show results, air grievences, concerns, praise, et cetera.

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Old 05-31-2012, 08:06 PM
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It's sounds like you saw Damien, who is one of the originators of the procedure. He has a very defined contrast and look to his which he obviously prefers.

Here's what I don't understand judging by your comments, you seem to think there is a one-size fits all approach by the clinics which couldn't be farther from the truth. At least with HIS Hair they use gradients of color ink to match your natural hair color. Further, a patient typically goes to 3-4 sessions until the ink is matched to ther liking.

Have you been on their website? Pictures are pictures just like any hair transplant clinic, but I'm surprised you say the things you've said with the sheer number of patient photos and the unique results of each person. What you don't have is a bunch patients looking like Damien clones.

I think if there is a criticism to be made its that they give patients exactly what they want in terms of hairlines. If you're 50 years old but want a straight, low, juvenile hairline, they'll give it to you. But in saying that it doesn't take away from the actual quality of the work they're doing.

I should mention they have a forum on their website just like this where patients and prospective patients can ask questions, show results, air grievences, concerns, praise, et cetera.
I don't want to tell you how to boil an egg or anything, but I think you should be more critical and think not what is only possible but what is probable.

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They use a variety of ink tones in one session. The operator has five ink guns filled with different shades of ink all ready and all loaded with no concern whether they are 1% or 99% used. They use the ink guns like an artist uses his or her palette and brushes, juggling them as his or her inspiration and skill dictate. There are different lights used to gauge progress and your skin to ink tone match. You are judged from a distance, sitting, walking, moving and close up.

Sounds idealistic?
Yes, and remember accounting for fading at different tone levels and an unknown patient's skin pathology is anyone's guesswork .

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They use one set ink tone per session. One ink, one gun per a day; chosen, based on experience. Economy dictates it. Artist inspiration is shoehorned into 'system' - consistency, percentages, safety. It's technical. The most artistic thing going on is the music on the radio. They'll start conservatively with a light tone first session, see how it settles and five days later (or whatever)) let's go a darker shade second, darkest third.

There is one light in the room. You are stationary. Breaks are dictated by your pain threshold.

Are you getting my drift?

As for the forum, be critical too.

I'm not dissing HIS and I'll happily give them my cash. But think about economy and as I say the possible-probable thing. Also, for all the hype on the forum, I've seen dissenters banished and humiliated. They don't give away artist names too lightly. And I don't blame them. They go on TV and tell everyone about it. Again I don't blame them. More power to them and their franchise. How is it helping you? Telling every man in the street about tattoo heads? Be more critical.

One size fits all? I think so, pretty much, with a little bit here and there.
Patients with artificial hairlines wanted it that way? Some, yes, most no, but very easy to explain away with some sh&t like, Ah..the dude likes hip-hop.

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Old 06-02-2012, 06:32 PM
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I don't want to tell you how to boil an egg or anything, but I think you should be more critical and think not what is only possible but what is probable.

Possible
They use a variety of ink tones in one session. The operator has five ink guns filled with different shades of ink all ready and all loaded with no concern whether they are 1% or 99% used. They use the ink guns like an artist uses his or her palette and brushes, juggling them as his or her inspiration and skill dictate. There are different lights used to gauge progress and your skin to ink tone match. You are judged from a distance, sitting, walking, moving and close up.

Sounds idealistic?
Yes, and remember accounting for fading at different tone levels and an unknown patient's skin pathology is anyone's guesswork .

Probable
They use one set ink tone per session. One ink, one gun per a day; chosen, based on experience. Economy dictates it. Artist inspiration is shoehorned into 'system' - consistency, percentages, safety. It's technical. The most artistic thing going on is the music on the radio. They'll start conservatively with a light tone first session, see how it settles and five days later (or whatever)) let's go a darker shade second, darkest third.

There is one light in the room. You are stationary. Breaks are dictated by your pain threshold.

Are you getting my drift?

As for the forum, be critical too.

I'm not dissing HIS and I'll happily give them my cash. But think about economy and as I say the possible-probable thing. Also, for all the hype on the forum, I've seen dissenters banished and humiliated. They don't give away artist names too lightly. And I don't blame them. They go on TV and tell everyone about it. Again I don't blame them. More power to them and their franchise. How is it helping you? Telling every man in the street about tattoo heads? Be more critical.

One size fits all? I think so, pretty much, with a little bit here and there.
Patients with artificial hairlines wanted it that way? Some, yes, most no, but very easy to explain away with some sh&t like, Ah..the dude likes hip-hop.
After reading and re-reading your post to try to make sense of it, I find there is great irony in it.

All of your criticisms and calls to be critical and ponder not only the "possible," but also the "probable" can literally be said about hair transplant surgery.

Again, this whole notion of "one-size fits all" is silly. Perhaps you've simply concluded that because 99% of the patients who receive the procedure are guys that are going to have to shave their heads the rest of their lives. In that way, yes, they will be the same.

But every patient has control over what they want their hairlines to look like; whether the sides will be distinct or faded in, and how dark an ink and how dense they want the SMP to look like.

A simple look through the message board and gallery fly in the face of your claim.
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Old 06-03-2012, 07:19 AM
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1) After reading and re-reading your post to try to make sense of it,

2) All of your criticisms and calls to be critical and ponder not only the "possible," but also the "probable" can literally be said about hair transplant surgery.

3) Again, this whole notion of "one-size fits all" is silly. Perhaps you've simply
1) Right, too much coffee on my part. Gotta calm down over here. Self importance is my middle name!
2) Yep, and I say it often.
3) I'm not saying they don't do things differently for different patients, but I truly believe we under estimate how much isn't ideal for us, perhaps because naturally we all think we are special and that the clinic is doing it all just for us.
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Old 06-03-2012, 01:02 PM
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I too think there many unanswered questions. Here are my thoughts and questions:

(1) Can NHI, HIS or Good Look Ink effectively cover scars? For instance, I do not think NHI has ever posted photos or documented a case where all of the FUE scars were inked and not noticeable in the photos.

On the other hand, HIS seems to be closer to achieving this based on their posted results. HIS claims that "more pressure" is needed to inject ink into the scarred areas, especially FUE scars. I would be interested to hear NHI's opinion on this one.

Also, supposedly, Good Look Ink can better disguise scars too since their ink is injected deeper into the dermis. This has only been talked about on the forums but never confirmed.

(2) Can Good Look Ink's results be reversed since supposedly they inject the ink deeper into the dermis? Based on my current understanding, both NHI and HIS can possibly be reversed with 1-2 laser tattoo removal sessions.

(3) Do HIS and NHI use the same inks? Based on my knowledge gained thus far, both HIS and NHI use inks that are numbered with lower numbers being a darker shade of pigment.

(4) Since Good Look Ink supposedly injects the ink deeper into the dermis, would laser removal of their pigment cause permanent damage to the surrounding hair follicles (both dormant and active (healthy) follicles)?

(5) Who are the best practitioners at HIS (in the U.S.) and Good Look Ink with hairlines? It seems that NHI is the best at keeping the pigments looking natural in the hairline, but I have heard that some practitioners at the other clinics can achieve the same objective.

In sum, since it seems that we have two (2) camps of prospective micropigmentation patients (i.e., repair patients and those wishing to avoid transplants but considering SMP or MHT), I think we need to address the two (2) camps differently.

Obviously, for repair patients, the biggest concern is attacking and effectively disguising the FUE or FUT scars with the naturalness of the result factor being perhaps less important.

For non-repair patients, the achievement of a disguised and natural look seems to be the main objective.

Hopefully, we can get some objective answers for both camps!
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Old 06-25-2012, 04:14 PM
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I've been reading this thread and several others, trying to get as much information as possible on SMP. I'm really leaning towards this because I don't want the constant upkeep and issues with concealers and I don't want to spend the 10s of thousands of dollars on multiple hair transplants and deal with the rest. I think everyone has valid questions/concerns. I think I would be ok with a shaved or buzzed hair cut the rest of my life vs the other alternatives. Likewise, I find it less maintenance to buzz your hair every few days then deal with the cover up or lack of density game. I think if you got 3-5 years before you had to have it touched up, I'd be happy and care free for those years....not worrying about it all the time. On the flip side, I am concerned about the hair lines and what is able to be done. Also, some men just wear a buzz cut better than others. I'm curious, has anyone looked into Artistry Concepts? I've read their testimonials and looks at their gallery. It all seems good, any thoughts? Thanks
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dpeeze et al.........

I've also been researching SMP, though only for a short time. My main concern is two ear to ear strip scars (donor area) and possibly filling in some of the horseshoe (back of my head), where it constrasts from dense hair to less dense. Just sent an online consult to GLI and I will report their response in case anyone is interested. A lot of the concern seems to focus around the hairline. My hairline is thin, but I have had enough ht's so that it looks passable when using a 7mm guard or less. Just looking to cut my hair with a 3mm and lose the dermatch/gel nightmare my life has become due to the strip scaring.

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dpeeze et al.........

I've also been researching SMP, though only for a short time. My main concern is two ear to ear strip scars (donor area) and possibly filling in some of the horseshoe (back of my head), where it constrasts from dense hair to less dense. Just sent an online consult to GLI and I will report their response in case anyone is interested. A lot of the concern seems to focus around the hairline. My hairline is thin, but I have had enough ht's so that it looks passable when using a 7mm guard or less. Just looking to cut my hair with a 3mm and lose the dermatch/gel nightmare my life has become due to the strip scaring.

Any thoughts??
Couple of things...

1) The fact that you've had multiple hair transplants (and I'm assuming you've had the work done to your hairline/frontal-third...) is a good thing. As you know, SMP only really works when the individual shaves their head. The more natural stubble you have the better the SMP can blend in and give you a very nice natural look.

2) HT scars cannot ever be 100% disguised, removed or completely masked (outside of longer hair covering it). I've seen some really nice SMP work done on HT scars that really muted the look of the scar, which I'm guessing makes a lot of folks happy, but I've never seen a scar completely "disappear."

3) In regard to hairlines... SMP is no different than HT work in that it's all about the artistry of the practicioner. It's in your best interest to research the different clinics and find someone with a portfolio of work that you're comfortable with. There is a clinic whose work with hairlines seems really good in my eyes. I won't give the name on here because I don't want to be accused of being a schill for their company. Bottomline, you have to be willing to go where the good clinic is. I'm in California, but I'm not in love with any of the hair transplant clinics out here, so I'm willing to fly to Ottawa or Vancouver to get work done when the time comes. It's not even a question in my mind. I think the same would/should go for someone getting SMP work done.

Anyways, those are my two-cents.
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Old 07-04-2012, 09:44 PM
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Cargo,

It is good when you say that the scar cannot ever be covered up 100%; that is a good dose of reality. My expectation is to reduce the contrast between the strip scar of the hair around it, realizing of course that the scar could still show in certain lighting/situations/etc. At this point I just want to cut my hair stubble-short and be at peace with the back of my head, eg.(tap a nap in the middle of the day, sleep at a hotel without rubbing dermatch all over it, a million other situations).
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Cargo,

It is good when you say that the scar cannot ever be covered up 100%; that is a good dose of reality. My expectation is to reduce the contrast between the strip scar of the hair around it, realizing of course that the scar could still show in certain lighting/situations/etc. At this point I just want to cut my hair stubble-short and be at peace with the back of my head, eg.(tap a nap in the middle of the day, sleep at a hotel without rubbing dermatch all over it, a million other situations).

Lol, seriously, I know all about it. Toppik is worth its weight in gold to me, but it's such a hassle. Everytime I have to use it it's like performing a masterpiece before I leave the house.
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