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Future Medical treatments Discuss future possible treatments for hair loss like new drugs, gene therapy, hair follicle cloning, etc.

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Old 05-28-2012, 05:12 AM
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Default Hair Loss Cure? The Hair Stem Cell Transplant Procedure (The "Gho Procedure")

Often touted as a "hair loss cure," or the creation of truly "unlimited donor supply," the Hair Science Institute's Hair Stem Cell Transplant Procedure (better known as the "Gho Procedure") is an area of great excitement and controversy on our hair loss forums.

Is the procedure, created and performed by Dr. Coen Gho, truly a hair loss breakthrough, or simply another bold promise that fails to meet expectations?

To find out, I decided to research the procedure, and after some extensive digging, I authored a piece about the Gho Procedure for our popular Hair Loss Q & A blog. However, after reviewing the article, we (the moderators) decided it needed the expert opinion of other hair restoration innovators, and I turned to Coalition surgeons Dr. Raymond Konior and Dr. Bill Reed for advice.

What's more, I'm soon going to email Dr. Gho himself and ask if he'll provide his opinion on the article, the expert input, and the future of the Hair Stem Cell Transplant.

Want to see what Dr. Konior and Dr. Reed have to say about the Gho Procedure? Curious to read about the cutting edge science behind the new surgical technique? Wondering if Dr. Gho will respond?

If so, please feel free to read the new article on our Hair Loss Q & A blog:

Hair Loss Cure? What Physicians are Saying about the Hair Stem Cell Transplant Procedure (The Gho Procedure).


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I couldn't get it to come up?
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Please repost the link. I would love to read the article.
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Hi Guys,

**The link is now fixed.**

I apologize, I really don't know what happened. Everything should be good to go now!
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Hi Guys,

**The link is now fixed.**

I apologize, I really don't know what happened. Everything should be good to go now!

These doctors' opinion is no more useful than google. You would have to ask real scientists on this matter or doctors have been working on donor regeneration.

They are missing one important aspect that Gho's HST offers : he uses a special medium that he "claims" give a "boost" to the FUs.

You're also a bit wrong on the "no medical literature" supporting HST.

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/im...879_file43.pdf

which I recently I read in other forums. However I do not know how related it is to Gho's HST.

And this is not a cure, not everyone is a candidate i am seriously thinning more than norwood 6 pattern. Only 80% regeneration is guaranteed, that would take decades to restore me if it was even possible of course.

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These doctors' opinion is no more useful than google. You would have to ask real scientists on this matter or doctors have been working on donor regeneration.
While I definitely don't agree with the idea that the physician input isn't useful (Dr. Reed describes an interesting study on the multiple (likely two) stem cell sites within hair follicles he completed himself), it would be great to get a PhD to analyze some of the science and provide input.


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They are missing one important aspect that Gho's HST offers : he uses a special medium that he "claims" give a "boost" to the FUs.
The "fertilizer" remains a mystery to me. Frankly, in some instances, it seems like it's more of something to keep the grafts viable, in others it's referred to as more of a growth inducer (akin to something like ACell). I'd love to learn more; I'm really hoping Dr. Gho has the time to reply to my email request and responds to the article!


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You're also a bit wrong on the "no medical literature" supporting HST.

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/im...879_file43.pdf

which I recently I read in other forums. However I do not know how related it is to Gho's HST.
I only had time to skim the article (so I could be off), but the experiment seems similar to Dr. Gho's initial publication: there are at least two distinct areas of regenerative activity in a hair follicle, and separating these two sets of cells will likely allow for regeneration of two hair producing entities from one source.


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And this is not a cure, not everyone is a candidate i am seriously thinning more than norwood 6 pattern. Only 80% regeneration is guaranteed, that would take decades to restore me if it was even possible of course.
Definitely.
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I only had time to skim the article (so I could be off), but the experiment seems similar to Dr. Gho's initial publication: there are at least two distinct areas of regenerative activity in a hair follicle, and separating these two sets of cells will likely allow for regeneration of two hair producing entities from one source.




Definitely.
You're a smart guy for saying that if you just skim the article there are many confusing and new terms in there and I am glad a future HT doctor is studying this and not throwing it in the trashcan like most doctors. I remember a post where someone emailed HT doctors about their opinions and one of them said "Dream on, it's 10 years away".

I don't know if I am wrong but these doctors have only done partial FU extraction without knowing the exact location or the precise area of extraction needed to extract "enough tissue and stem cells" for regrowth to occur on both sites. Notice that it takes Gho an entire day and special patented instruments for one small session.

From my google research many doctors have done partial FU or have used smaller needles however none of them were into researching the location of the follicular stem cells( that's what I think but I may be wrong about these doctors in the article), so most of them simply label it as non-sense. They did notice regrowth at the donor sites but it was not very good as it should be. This makes sense because they really didn't know what to/where to extract and did not spend years and years like Gho to figure out the exact area and location of the stem cells.

I think Gho used markers and spend nearly a decade locating the precise location of these stem cells within the FU. From what I remember in Cotsarelis' stem cells research paper, they were outside the hair follicles kinda like wrapping them around like a banana peel and this is what Gho said in his paper as well. I'm not sure if I am 100% accurate I would have to read again.


If everything gho claims is true, then I can be 'treated'.

He is (in my opinion) definitely exaggerating on the donor regrowth and yield. So nw6s and nw7s (my future pattern) are not curable.

I would assume there is 80% on both sides MAXIMUM.

Right now he is fully booked for a year and making tons of money and maybe he will use that money to improve his technique.

Oh and the paper I linked you they are doing the same thing except that the extraction is horizontally kinda like cutting a banana in half, however gho is peeling the banana. So it makes sense with your analysis that there are different locations where these stem cells are located and there extracted.

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I think the part that everyone misses is the part that is most important: If this technique claims " nearly unlimited donor zone" , we should see nw6-7 guys who are fully restored with more than 10k grafts.

Otherwise, what does this technique gives to us? 2000 grafts with no scar? I know scar is important but with certain growth which is not much , scar is invisible via FUE. I think if you are up to nw4 at most, you can definately get a full restoration. This technique should provide a full restoration for advanced nw level or I think it makes nonsense.
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I think the part that everyone misses is the part that is most important: If this technique claims " nearly unlimited donor zone" , we should see nw6-7 guys who are fully restored with more than 10k grafts.

Otherwise, what does this technique gives to us? 2000 grafts with no scar? I know scar is important but with certain growth which is not much , scar is invisible via FUE. I think if you are up to nw4 at most, you can definately get a full restoration. This technique should provide a full restoration for advanced nw level or I think it makes nonsense.
That's true if that part was solved we wouldn't be here guessing what's going on with this sneaky chinese guy.

Assuming you can do one treatment per year of 1800 grafts which he usually does.

+ 10 000 / 1800 grafts = 5.5555 years ~ +6 years MAX needed to go beyond +10 000 grafts

This is not unlimited donor not even "NEAR unlimited donor" +80 percent regeneration or LESS.

The "REAL" and improved technique has been around for what? 3 years MAX?

so IF this is true and this chinese man is not fooling us, then the +10 000 grafts guy (If he wants to be photographed) should come out in about 3 years.
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Skeptic,

I calculated it in more optimistic way,

He does the procedures bw 9 months and assuming that he does 2000 grafts each;

9 months * 2000 grafts * 6 procedures: 53 months with 12000 grafts.

Nearly 4.5 years to have one third of the density of your original hair?

Oh, I forgot , each procedure costs 10k euros * 6 procedures: 60000 euros.

So, the claim was "unlimited donor supply". If you have a good density/laxity , H&W or Rahal can give you this with less time and cheaper price an definately with more artistic approach.

So this claim "unlimited donor supply" is just useless for me unless they show me someone that they have done more than 10k grafts with nw6-7 level . Otherwise, all of us have seen full restorations from Rahal or H&W.
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