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Old 10-06-2012, 12:58 PM
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Regarding this guy, I think that his temple results may not be as strong as would appear. Here are two pics before and after:

before: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.co...1&d=1332495739

after: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.co...6&d=1330768626

It's really hard to tell because the angles are different (and I couldn't find any exact matches), but I don't think there's really much difference. His recession is not so advanced, so adding a few hairs could make a big difference. I don't think his treatment was as extensive as yours. Also he doesn't show any post-op pics of this region so it's hard to really know how aggressive they were.

Also pre/post pics shown by clinics don't show any significant temple point repair pics. So it doesn't seem to be a common thing. Plus, this hair may recede further (as with the frontal hairline) even with finasteride/minoxidyl.

I think that if the office says that you can laser the hairs to remove or soften them (after the surgery no less) then they haven't really thought it all through. In my opinion it doesn't matter who's right and who's wrong. And I personally don't think you did anything wrong. But you should not feel self-conscious or that you have to wear a hat. That is the opposite of what you were hoping for. I suspect that waiting longer will not improve the situation. For that reason I suggested trimming the outer hairs to reduce the perception of sparsity. I don't think it's a big deal to trim the hairs because they will always grow back if you want.

Sorry if am being presumptuous, or if I am missing some important points or details. I am certainly not an expert, just an opinionated guy. I also was trying to restore a naturally thick hairline, and I was not satisfied with my first attempt. Hopefully my second attempt will turn out better. As for my comment about unrealistic expectations, it applies as much to me as to anyone.

But again, it's not about blame. It's about doing what you need to do to get on with your life.
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Old 10-06-2012, 01:04 PM
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You also have a pm Magnum.
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Old 10-06-2012, 01:16 PM
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Cowl,
I agree and would add: The difference is that his hair looked NATURAL before the HT. If you're going to walk around after a HT with an unnatural "fake" look there is no reason to have a procedure at all in my opinion. This HAS to look natural and be undetectable or we are wasting our time and money. I hope beaverbuzz get some free work done until he is satisfied.
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Old 10-06-2012, 01:47 PM
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Magnum - not sure what went wrong. I followed the instructions fully. I started shedding grafts very early and this was the first warning sign to me that something was wrong. I emailed the clinic and they said I shouldn't be concerned. Since that happened, none of them have grown back. As I have said all along, the grafts that have survived were the ones that didn't fall out. I think if I were to do it all over again, I wouldn't have used rogaine/minoxidil post surgery and avoided washing my hair for longer as per the instructions.

Cowl - No worries. There are some people that are deadset against having their natural density or close to it. I just want to be able to look in the mirror and not see scalp where the grafts were implanted. At the moment thats what I see.

I am not sure what I am going to do now. I emailed Dr. Shapiro but haven't heard back from him yet. I know he wanted to wait a little longer due to my rogaine shed, but to be honest I don't think it has anything to do with my poor yield. I am willing to wait till 18 months though.

Before this surgery I NEVER would have considered strip, but now I am considering it. Its a pretty sad reflection of how things have changed in a span of a year.

I have read of one story ( I searched throughout every hair loss forum) of a guy that started getting growth at month 13, so I am trying to hold on to that shred of hope.

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Old 10-07-2012, 01:49 AM
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"I just want to be able to look in the mirror and not see scalp where the grafts were implanted."

I think that is a reasonable expectation for a HT. But also not achievable with current technology. Despite what TV commercials imply.

This pic is recent. I had a HT 1200 grafts 2 years ago at Bosley NYC. They added about 1 inch of hairline to my top/front. Not great density but not bad either. You can definitely see the scalp. 10 days ago I had a procedure to double the density. But my doc said that even with doubling the density would only improve the appearance of density by about 30%, and another doc said the same thing. So I believe that.

HOWEVER, it is ok to see the scalp. It happens as you get older. This is not necessarily a bad thing, and people don't necessarily think its weird looking.

I also have not at all considered the temple issues, so you are way ahead of me in that respect. I have not figured out the best shape for the overall hairline, and I tried on my own but I'm not an expert and perhaps have poor judgement on top of that lol.

I think that anyone who offers to do FUT for your temple points is as desperate as you are. My recommendation would be to trim the outer hairs to reduce sparsity and accept mild hair loss. I'd be curious as to your thoughts about that.
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:14 PM
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at this point, the good news is that this is not a disaster

maybe 1000 grafts was too conservative to give the density you wanted in the area transplanted
might be the reason for you disappointment;
(do you know/can you find out the recipient area in cm2?)

for instance, a recipient area greater than 16cm2 for the 1000 grafts you received (given the density of the hair sitting directly behind the proposed new hair line) will give a density of less than 60 grafts per cm2.
in the temple angles this will probably look like thinning (as it does)

maybe the FUE procedure, which, in general, is known to give lesser yield than FUT, reduced that 1000 grafts to 900 (they say the yield is 10% less with FUE)

if that is the case and everyone of those 900 grafts grew out,
your recipient area would need to be 15cm2 or lower to reach a density of at least 60 grafts per cm2

find out these numbers
they will relieve your "waiting" for growth when all might have grown already

look, numbers mean nothing if you are satisfied
but if you are questioning whether the procedure failed to grow fully or if it was just a case of not placing enough grafts to satisfy the density you expected,
these numbers (recipient area in cm2 and number of grafts transplanted) will clear this up

what ever the case, this is an easy case to BEEF up the density
with another procedure (i know you've heard this before but at this stage, this is a good plan that you can be proactive about now by consulting with other docs or planning with your current one)

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at this point, the good news is that this is not a disaster

maybe 1000 grafts was too conservative to give the density you wanted in the area transplanted
might be the reason for you disappointment;
(do you know/can you find out the recipient area in cm2?)

for instance, a recipient area greater than 16cm2 for the 1000 grafts you received (given the density of the hair sitting directly behind the proposed new hair line) will give a density of less than 60 grafts per cm2.
in the temple angles this will probably look like thinning (as it does)

maybe the FUE procedure, which, in general, is known to give lesser yield than FUT, reduced that 1000 grafts to 900 (they say the yield is 10% less with FUE)

if that is the case and everyone of those 900 grafts grew out,
your recipient area would need to be 15cm2 or lower to reach a density of at least 60 grafts per cm2

find out these numbers
they will relieve your "waiting" for growth when all might have grown already

look, numbers mean nothing if you are satisfied
but if you are questioning whether the procedure failed to grow fully or if it was just a case of not placing enough grafts to satisfy the density you expected,
these numbers (recipient area in cm2 and number of grafts transplanted) will clear this up

what ever the case, this is an easy case to BEEF up the density
with another procedure (i know you've heard this before but at this stage, this is a good plan that you can be proactive about now by consulting with other docs or planning with your current one)

best
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Old 10-11-2012, 07:49 PM
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hang in there , and try to stay positive , i just read this thread and theres only one picture to judge the results, your hair looks normal to me , i knowyour not happy and thats the bottom line, i diddnt see any preop so i have nothing to comapre the after shot with, smg is one of the top clinics out there and im sure they will get you where you need to be, good luck
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:01 AM
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The answer to the problem has already been given... just laser off the un natural points and leave the rest as the hairline is ok with the temple points moved back.

If you want more, do not go for strip for such small numbers, there's just no point getting the scar for touch up work.

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Old 10-12-2012, 10:33 AM
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he has posted pics in the past and he was transplanting into totally balding areas at the temple angle and temple point

post op

the temple angles look evenly diffuse, which is more obvious due to the density of the native hair behind the recipient area

while the temple points look patchy
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