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Scalp Micropigmentation (SMP) Discuss the increasingly popular Scalp Micropigmentation (SMP) procedure here, including the advantages, disadvantages and possible long term effects.

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Old 05-07-2012, 11:02 AM
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For what it is worth I sent emails to Good Look Ink, New Hair Institute (Dr. Rassman) and HIS early last week with some questions about their procedure. None of them responded so I sent a second email asking what the typical turnaround time was for a response. The only one that has responded is Good Look Ink and they won’t answer questions in writing they want to answer it over the phone which raises an eyebrow. If I go through with this I hope the procedure is better than their customer service.
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:17 PM
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Dr. Rassman/NHI didn't respond?

Frankly, I wouldn't be too concerned by this or by clinics stating that they would prefer to consult with you over the phone. However, I'd say getting a "strange" feeling during the consultation itself would be a cause for concern.

I hope you'll keep us updated. I know many of our members are interested in researching SMP.
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:27 PM
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No Dr. Rassman's office never responded. I wouldn't be concerned about GLI not wanting to answer my questions in writting if I hadn't already had a phone consultation and a face to face meeting with the owner. These were just follow up questions.
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Old 05-07-2012, 06:36 PM
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Time.

I know you already prolly know this stuff, so anyway..

I think there are two responses. The personal, when they look at your pictures or requests and create real unique sentences for you. And the general, generic response, where they frame you inside their marketing approach and give you the standard treatment, so that when you call you will go through the usual tricks and traps.

Rassman will respond personally and generically. I suspect the the latter will be brutal disclaimers, the former, more hopeful. GLI, on the other hand, both hopeful. HIS also hopeful. You already know the deal with HT docs and the way they answer questions - the way they tend to do it in order to keep functioning smoothly and limit expectations..so hang in their. Rassman has told me one or two gems about SMP. GLI want you to call to align you with their sales routine. Call and have the questions ready, anticipate the answers and have counter-questions but again, being a personal consult, you do not have time to consider what is being said to you in the light of day, so that you can respond emotionally and they do it everyday! That's why they gettcha in a spin with them. But even so, GLI also told me, in the midst of that spin, on or two gems. HIS also told me a nugget or two. You will go on the GLI data base and get the propoganda which is fine. HIS and GLI have forums, as you know. What do you think of them?

So I wonder time, what ur questions r gonna b like. I bet they are gems too. Remember they can smell trouble a mile away, they have to!
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Scar5-I'd love to to know what the gems were you learned about. This may help me make up my mind whether I want to go through with this and if so which facility. Please private message me if you'd rather communicate that way. I haven't really formed an opinion of any of the three I requested information from. I will say from the examples I saw on HIS website the hairlines looked a little severe to me. I'll post the questions I sent them below.

1. Approximately how long will the ink last before a touch up is needed?
2. If the ink fades does it just lighten or does it turn a different color?

3. If it fades will it stay sharp or does it blur?
4. Will the ink bleed?
5. Is detail given to the hairline to taper and feather it so it is not a harsh hairline which looks like an ink helmet?
6. Will the dots be small and far enough apart to look natural?
7. Can a 3D effect be accomplished so it doesn’t look flat and one dimensional?
8. Will care be taken to place the dots between the hair and not on it or close enough to it to damage a hair follicle?
9. Will this procedure cause shock loss?
10. Can gray be sprinkled in with it?
11. I have hair and won’t require as many dots as a bald individual and I’m only covering a small area- ? of the front top of my scalp, will the procedure be priced accordingly vs. a full head procedure?
12. What would I need to do to prep for this procedure?
13. What would the approximate cost be?
14. Will the color be matched to my own hair?
15. Will more than one session be required and if so how far apart?
16. How much do touch ups cost?
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OK..
Good start.
U already know what the answers to the, 'Will I look stupid and regret this' or the 'are you a lazy despicable scum-type company?' type questions are gonna b like, but why not ask anyway? See question 6 'is it natural' or q 8, "Will care be taken...?' But in fact, q 8 is a real question a patient never knows the answer to, and I guarantee you, care WILL NOT be taken, it isn't economically viable to do it like that. Shock loss, I mean, if u get shockloss, would you consider not doing SMP? It wouldn't stop me. But how they answer the tapered hairline question will be interesting. Will they spin you the, 'yeah, well, some of our customers like hip-hop so we give 'em sharp lines' excuse for a poor transition zone on most of their heads.
Will grey be sprinkled in? Well, grey is what you are gonna get primarily, so I don't think that is relevant, although let's see how they answer.

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My understanding is the process was done deeper under the skin in the past than it is now so damaging the follicle should not be a problem. Shockloss wouldn't prevent me from having SMP however, I'd like to know if that is a possibility so I'm prepared for it and know what is going on. Are there any other questions you beleive I should ask?
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288 three hair grafts
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Check out Dr. M. Lardi from Italy. I was told her Micro scalp Pigmentation is the best and her ink doesnt turn to green or fade. Give it try and send your pics for consultation. She is using special
pigments added to the skin developed by Golden Eye (The micropigmentation company) as a
durable method of camouflage, Check out their website.
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As much as I’d like a trip to Italy that is not in my budget. If this is the person in Milan I’ve already heard about her and I’m sure she does beautiful work. If the ink she is using is superior any thoughts on why facilities here in the U.S. aren’t using it? Golden Eye doesn’t sound like an Italian Company so I'm guessing she gets her pigments from here. I wonder if they are so much better if a facility state side would consider using pigments from that company? I’m told the places I contacted don’t use inks that change colors either. They may fade but don’t turn an odd color.
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505 three hair grafts
5070 Total hair count

Dr. Epstein August 4, 2008
2384 grafts
870 one hair grafts
1150 two hair grafts
364 three and four hair grafts
4262 Total hair count

Dr. Ron Shapiro November 18, 2009
1896 grafts
760 one hair grafts
852 two hair grafts
288 three hair grafts
46 four hair grafts
3362 total hair count

Dr. Ron Shapiro July 1, 2011
1191 grafts
447 one hair grafts
580 two hair grafts
150 three hair grafts
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2113 total hair count
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Just out of curiosity why are you wanting SMP?? Ive seen you've had a lot of work done including two procedures by Dr Shapiro ? What are you trying to accomplish with SMP?? Scar or whole scalp??
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