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Bill - Managing Publisher · #51 **Top** 05-09-2012, 07:05 PM

TTDS,

Ok, I found what I said to you in another topic...

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TTDS,

You seem to be very interested in scalp micropigmentation lately. What exactly would you like to have done? I'm very concerned that if you go this route that you're going to truly regret your decision. Tattooing is permanent and if you don't like it, it's going to be very difficult and time consuming to remove it.

Dr. Rassman is a highly reputable, stand up physician. Thus, I suggest consulting and discussing your situation and concerns with him to see if he thinks you're a suitable candidate for this procedure.

Before proceeding with scalp micropigementation or anything else however, I'd give your hair transplant results time to grow, thicken and mature.

Best wishes,

Bill

While I suppose I didn't use the word "may", it was implied. Also, in the very next paragraph, I suggested you consult with Dr. Rassman...I didn't try to talk you out of SMP altogether. So I'm not sure where you are getting that I am trying to talk you out of it.

Again, none of my messages were an attempt to persuade you against SMP, only to make you stop, think and research everything before moving forward. Having been through a number of hair transplant procedures in an attempt to achieve the desired results, I wouldn't want to see you haphazardly undergo another type of procedure that you'll later regret. But since you are clearly doing your homework and not jumping into a decision on this, I trust that if you do proceed with SMP that you'll know what you're getting yourself into, which of course, includes the advantages, disadvantages and potential problems.

Best of luck,

Bill

Time to do something · #52 **Top** 05-09-2012, 07:27 PM

Why do I feel like hairs are being split here (no pun intended). I don't' feel I'm taking your words out of context but if you feel I am I apologize. If someone says to me that I'm going to "truly regret" something that doesn't sound like they are trying to talk me into it. I've been researching SMP for over two years so I've done about as much as I can.
I wasn't implying you had no knowledge of the procedure. I was simply saying you have limited knowledge and as you said you are no expert. I've seen several people in person who have had it done but you haven't so I'd say it is safe to assume I have that advantage. I was just trying to get a handle on your opinion of the procedure with the experience you have that's all. I'm on your side. ; )

Bill - Managing Publisher · #53 **Top** 05-09-2012, 07:40 PM

TTDS,

I guess I was a lot more cavalier about my concerns about the procedure rather than the advantages. But I'm glad you're doing your homework and that you've seen a few patients in person.

If you ever make it my way in PA, dinner and drinks on me :-).

Best wishes,

Bill

Time to do something · #54 **Top** 05-09-2012, 07:51 PM

Thanks Bill, I'm holding you to that!

Time to do something · #55 **Top** 05-09-2012, 08:50 PM

I received a reply to my follow up questions from NHI today. I still haven't heard from GLI on my follow up questions. It appears these two companies use very different processes. NHI does not recommend SMP for anyone who keeps their hair longer than shaved or buzzed. They will do it on a case by case basis. I'm trying to find out why they have this policy.

They said they only use black ink for all clients and they rarely use a shade of brown but it is on a case by case basis. GLI uses the color that matches one's hair. NHI says that skin obscures the true color of the ink. The example they give is blood vessels which are really red looks green under the skin. NHI requires three to five procedures spaced at least four days apart. That could be a challenge because I'd have to make multiple trips to LA from Florida.
NHI says tattoos go in deep so the ink stays and as time goes by it bleeds. SMP goes shallow compared to a tattoo so the ink may come out in the first week. The ink that stays in may bleed over the years but instead o bleeding like a traditional tattoo it will bleed out of the skin because it is deposited shallow which is why a touch up may be needed. NHI says all ink will fade and lose definition but the loss of definition is minimal.
So it appears that GLI goes deep and only uses black ink and NHI goes shallowand matches the color to the individual's hair. Now to figure out which method is best! Thoughts?

Time to do something · #56 **Top** 05-09-2012, 08:54 PM

CORRECTION: I meant to say NHI goes shallow and only uses black ink where GLI goes deep and matches the color of the individual's hair.

Davis91 · #57 **Top** 05-09-2012, 09:11 PM

This is getting confusing. I think if you are serious about this then you need to visit NHI in person, despite the cost.

Time to do something · #58 **Top** 05-09-2012, 09:17 PM

I'm not sure what I'd learn about it in person that I can't learn via phone or email. It is not in my budget to fly out to LA just to talk to them. They did say they have a couple of clients in Florida that I could see in person. If they aren't too far I'll get together with them.

Jholcollege11 · #59 **Top** 05-09-2012, 09:18 PM

It looks like you are getting to the core of this matter TTDS, and from my experience, that is not an easy thing to do. I think you may be on to something with the insertion depth and its relation to the longevity of the results. GLI is very confident that their results last longer and only require one session (but it can take up to eight hours) with an additional follow-up the next day in which you and the technician can decide collectively to add more ink. All other providers require more sessions so it makes sense that maybe GLI goes deeper. I wonder if the type of ink factors into the equation as much as it is made out to. My guess would be no- I believe all of these providers have pretty much the same blends that are mineral-based and that contain no metalics that would have color change. I originally thought that since the insertion depth was so shallow- just barely into the dermis,that the providers all must produce similar results. But there must be some significance in the difference of insertion depth, no matter how slightly each provider's differs. Seems like maybe this could be the x-factor here, but I have recently been learning on a different forum that different individuals, as well as different parts of the scalp, absorb pigments more than others, and quicker than others. That throws a whole new variable into this equation, and adds to its difficulty.

aaron1234 · #60 **Top** 05-09-2012, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Time to do something

I'm not sure what I'd learn about it in person that I can't learn via phone or email. It is not in my budget to fly out to LA just to talk to them. They did say they have a couple of clients in Florida that I could see in person. If they aren't too far I'll get together with them.

That would be great to meet those Florida guys that have had it done.

I would consider visiting NHI when they have one of those Open House events where they showcase several patients who you could see in person. I've read they've even done some SMP live for those who attend. Maybe schedule a personal consult as well. That way you aren't just flying to LA for a 45 minute consult.

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