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Old 12-19-2008, 06:08 PM
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I had to crush up and snort a bunch of provigil
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Old 12-19-2008, 08:45 PM
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whooh.....I had to drive cross town to get a computer....Bill banned all IP addresses in all town here...because of some MANIAC JOHN36 !!! Which I am NOT related to in any fashion,except that I think he is cute and I wanna F*** him

Ok,nice and shor like Bill wants me to be:
Interesting statement Valencia. I wonder if you are really John36 yourself? Otherwise, how could you make such a statement.

And if you are...I find it funny that you called your alterego John a nut and unstable on this thread. I happen to agree with you by the way. You also claim not to know him on that thread, but on this thread are asking another member of our forum to contact John and then he will contact you. That's interesting

And then you go ahead and create a very John36-like thread called Quack Quack and talk about wanting to have sex with men on this thread.

I guess if you really are John, than John just lost any remaining credibility he had.

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Old 12-20-2008, 01:29 AM
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I don't want the thread locked, but I can't continue going over the same ground over and over again.
It is not at all the same ground. We were talking about whether LIGHT and LASER LIGHT (and I tried to keep saying as we understand it) can penetrate the skin keeping its properties. You then started to talk about PHOTONs. I asked how you think LIGHT travels in air w.r.t how now you said it travels in glass; and what you mean by LIGHT as we clearly didn't seem to understand it the same way.

But most importantly, whatever the underlying physics is (about is light really a particle or wave, or both, or none but exhibiting these properties, are photons passing through glass or are photons absorbed and reemitted with the same properties, much of these MODELS are even debated in current science), you are basically basing your argument on saying that something is either fully transparent (air, glass) in the meaning of letting all LIGHT through while keeping some or all its qualities (phase, wavelength, etc.), or fully non-transparent, such as skin or kleenex tissue, where none of this is happening.

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Easy, to cut it really short: Can you tell me then what the Lambert-Beer law is talking about, on which I based by claim that if 1% gets through the first mm of skin UNABSORBED [that is photons or wave, copied or original, but with the same qualities] then 0.1% would get through the second and so on? And what the absorption coefficient is in physics if not the property of how nontransparent a material is, how much of the light is getting absorbed? Of course in theory skin could have infinite absorption coefficient, but then why are these guys and others measuring it if it is so obviously not letting any light through unabsorbed?
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Old 12-20-2008, 07:21 AM
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Give it a rest man.

Your posts are so long and full of disparate information that I'd have to make it a fulltime job to sort out your mistakes and misconceptions.

I already wrote that I will find an optical physicist to comment on the video and it's consequences. I would think you as the worlds first "LLLT advocate/non-advocate" would welcome that. From the verbosity of your posts I am beginning to think that is not the case.

Well, I'm going to do it anyway.
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Well, I'm going to do it anyway.
Would have been nicer to make that bet first, remember? but you somehow lost interest in that.

I'll check on my end, hopefully I can quickly find someone who more than qualifies and is willing to give a few more words about your video than it deserves. And I do it because I believe it is just another bluff from you like offering the bet was.

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Your posts are so long and full of disparate information that I'd have to make it a fulltime job to sort out your mistakes and misconceptions.
Nice sophism. When in a corner, you go down the path to make it unnecessarily complex (we could have stayed at simple classic optics and simple transparency, which explains all the phenomenons, you got into the underlying quantum models of photons to try confuse things and look educated in the subject), and when I go down to that complexity, you say "full of disperate information" and "too long"

Yeah, right. Nice try. (Probably works for your fans though, I don't doubt that..)


P.S. But I do admit I am writing way too much (I read back ). I ain't perfect. I didn't immediately realize that it would have been easier to be said that you confuse light with photons. Light is the whole phenomenon, regardless of photons (think of sound). If some of the PHOTONS are reemitted through stimulated emission, we still call it the same LIGHT. And all materials do that to some extent, it is not all or nothing as you imply, it is called transparency, well explained by Beer's law, and even skin has some transparency.

This is all I've been saying or trying to make you realize, just waaaay too long.
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:15 AM
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This is the Frankensteins Monster of all HT related threads. It was dead but keeps being resurected! Ba-dum-cha!
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Old 12-11-2009, 08:13 AM
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interesting thread..how did i miss this 1..any latest updates about the effective use of laser combs.Dr humayaun..do you still support it?.How are your patients responding with the use of laser combs
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