Thanks Bul.
LLLT proponents won't come on here and face the music. They are content to be humiliated on here because the bulk of their customers don't read these forums. Threads like these concern them, but not too much yet. They tried to market their quackary on this site, and got their hat handed to them. Check out the Dr. Alan Bauman threads before he high-tailed it out of here.
My real goal is to organize a group of enlightened and intelligent doctors and patients who have not been taken in by the mass delusion of LLLT. With such a group we can counter the slimey LLLT industry and expose it for what it is: Quackary. And for what it isn't: a method to regrow a cosmetically signficiant amount of hair.

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well....i don't know what types of laser guns are used for hair loss treatment, i am not sure if they are the same ones used in some laser toys? those are just light and nothing more.....

But not all lasers just bounce off our skin, laser is used for permanent body hair removal( killing hair follicle??), eye surgery, kidney stones removal,surgeries.. treatment of skin scars etc...

you ought to post that video on youtube as theres all sorts of crap promoting these things on there that will save a few folk wasting money

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original thread
http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.co...d.php?t=134995
Dr Paul's procedure http://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com...asp?WebID=1710
Dr Ron's procedure
http://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com...asp?WebID=1128

BTW i had a friend who had a bad acne scar and went to a place where they did some laser skin treatment, and i definitely see a difference....not sure if the laser really did anything? Just sayin..

I personally commend Dr. Feller for being willing to throw himself to the wolves and explain his reasons for discouraging laser therapy for anyone.

I took fiber optics in grad school and I can say that none of the classes were as well presented ...nice work Dr Feller.

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The video is very clear and well done, so much so that a Junior High School science student would understand it. What amazes me is how this whole "laser" thing has been allowed to happen. It's clear from the video that it's so ridiculously counter-intuitive to reason. Why have the FDA and so many reputable doctors even entertained (not to mention endorsed) such a ridiculous product?

If I showed up at these doctors offices, or applied for an FDA clearance on a magic hat or flashlight that grows hair, I'd be laughed at (or at least I hope so). How did we get back to the days of snake oil being promoted by reputable people in mainstream science? It's shocking to me.

Is it me, or did the FDA actually state that the thing grows a modest amount of hair? I would love for someone to investigate the "studies" that were submitted.

On the one hand, the LLLC backers like to take a muddled stance of being proponents -- not because they actually have irrefutable, clear, scientific support, but because they have that which is subjective and difficult to directly dispel...."anecdotal evidence".....

On the other hand, statements like this get made: "laser works by absorbtion of light (photobiostimulation) by the cells and that increases the growth (anagen) phase of the cycle".

I wonder if Dr. Mohmand, and others, still believe in this assertion.

Either LLLC works or it doesn't; and either you believe it can work or you believe it can't. If you offer LLLC on any level to a patient, as a medical doctor, as part of a treatment plan you simply *must* believe in LLLC and believe that it can and does work for the treatment of MPB and the like.

As such, *any* doctor who offers LLLC to patients should absolutely feel compelled -- out of both professional and ethical forces -- to defend their position. If you hawk LLLC you must believe in it; as a doctor encouraging it to patients you simply must have excellent reasoning. In light of the candid presentation of fact and argumentation that Dr. Feller has provided, there are only so many choices of interpretation for such deafening silence of proof, fact, and argumentation.

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1 top-down, 1 portrait, 1 side-shot, 1 hairline....4 photos. No flash.

Follicles have asked for centuries, in ten languages, as many times so as to confuse a mathematician.

Enough is enough! Give me documentation or give me death!

Dr. Feller, Thanks for presenting this video to further solidify your thinking. However, like Pat stated to you in an email, I too don't think it conclusively proves that LLLT doesn't have some benefit on scalp tissue.

Laser therapy seemingly has been accepted as legit for other healing applications and recently, many ethical hair transplant surgeons provide laser therapy for free on patients right after surgery because they believe it can speed up healing.

I also think it's unfair for Dr. Feller to charactize those who regularly use laser therapy without overselling its benefits, as unethical.

We can see clearly from Dr. Feller's examples that lasers penetrate whatever it touches. The question is, what effect does it have to the area it penetrates?

The laser verses LED light examples was also interesting. However, a laser is much more direct in its target than LED light. I would suspect therefore, that the conversion of light to energy is much more direct on the scalp than light that disperses every which direction. Devices like the laser comb, and more expensive clinical ones, have a number of diodes that target many areas of the scalp at the same time.

Supposedly, lasers work by releasing targeted energy to the cells causing metobolic changes. This process is said to provide additional nutrients and oxygen to the scalp assisting normal cell chemical processes. If indeed this energy conversion process reaches derma papilla cells, I suspect it may help improve their normal function - to grow healthy hair follicles. What role, if any, this energy conversion process has on DHT, appears to be unknown from my research.

Laser therapy is backed up by several studies as noted by Dr. Mohmand on this thread, thus one can argue it has been proven to work (somewhat perhaps). But the question remains, how reliable are these studies?

One statement by Dr. Feller on the same thread indicated that those who have a financial interest in lasers cannot possibly be believed. Yet, every ethical surgeon recommended on this community has a financial interest in hair transplant surgery. And they should.

But does a financial interest in something guarantee corruption? I hope not! Otherwise, every working man or woman (including the doctors, patients, and publishers of this community) must be unethical.

Like laser therapy, even hair transplant surgery has had its benefits oversold in the media by several clinics. Online hype about FUE megasessions is just one example.

The difference of course is that follicular unit hair transplantation as been proven to work (by surgeons who do a meticulous job) with a great deal of public evidence and many patients (not just doctors financially interested in it) can attest to it. I am one of them.

But the burden of compelling visual proof falls upon those who support laser therapy. I fear without it, this community (including me) will have a hard time buying the science.

So who is the enemy? Is it laser therapy itself or those who regularly overpromote its benefits?

I think we can all agree that those who overpromote laser therapy as a hair loss cure are enemies to balding men and women. But whether or not laser therapy has any level of benefit on scalp tissue or hair follicles is much more arguable.

In my opinon, this is a worthwhile debate. I personally commend Dr. Mohmand for being willing to throw himself to the wolves and explain his reasons for encouraging laser therapy for some of his patients.

I would also think that selling a laser comb when he has to buy them first, is of very little financial gain for him when he could just as well be doing more hair transplants and make a lot more money.

Best wishes,

Bill

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if laser is just a light with no other properties why is it be used in eye surgery and other plastic surgeries ...