I hope you and your loved ones are safe from harm. In these trying times, please accept our condolences. You are in our thoughts and prayers.

-Robert

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I hope you and your loved ones are safe from harm. In these trying times, please accept our condolences. You are in our thoughts and prayers.

-Robert

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yes, my condolences to all my UK buddies!!

Take care, you are all in my thoughts!

Points well put by Robert and HBT. Let's not forget that there are our friends "out there" who need our support beyond this forum. Terry.

Thanks for your thoughts, fellas. Actually London suffered more in a single hour in 1940 at the hands of the Luftwaffe than anything the Islamo-fascists have come up with. Personally I feel we're at risk not so much because of the bombers, but from the English political and judicial elite, who seem to think that the "Human Rights" of extreme Muslim clerics preaching hatred in London mosques is more important than the right to life of our citizens.

The French, German, Egyptian, Saudi governments have, since 9/11 been exasperated at the UK governments refusal to extradite Muslim fanatics holed up in "Londonistan" as they witheringly call it.

In the last two years the French have come down hard on Islamic extremists in their midst, expelling 40, 14 of which were thrown out since 7/7.

They are subject to identical EU Human Rights laws as the British, yet the UK has thrown out NOT ONE of the hatred-mongers, who operate with impunity in the society they despise and terrorise. (One left the country voluntarily, & the UK has "courageously" banned his return )

Muslim lawyers make big bucks from taxpayer funded "legal aid" defending Muslim clients from police prosecutions, and advise their clients to give no information to the UK police about extremist activity in London.

One woman lawyer, Mudassar Arani, operating in Southall, West London, has made ??1 million from this scam & warns young Muslims that those who speak up against Muslim terrorism "are playing into the hands of the government".

Kez, glad to see our politicians all practice the same guidlines.

Line the pockets first, and put the safety and welfare of the citizens last.

I do like the new law your government has passed. Speak up, and get booted out.

The one against "inciting religious hatred" you mean. Funny, during a thousand years of Christianity it wasn't needed, and people could insult the Church any way they wanted (and rightly so). Recently "Jerry Springer - The Movie" played in London, and again was basically sarcastic and derogatory about Christianity. Again, I have no problems with this ( I'm no Christian, but I DO believe in FREEDOM of sppech )

BUT, if you say anything against this new religion in our midst - Islam - you can be accused of this new sin "Islamophobia", and the new law is there to hit anyone criticisng Islam, not Christianity (othwerise, we'd have had it in place for centuries already)

So it's OK to criticise Christianity, but unacceptable to criticise Islam.

This is simple appeasement, and a betrayal of the British tradition of Freedom Of Speech.
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Kes
"Law against inciting religious hatred" . . . "people could insult the church any way they wanted"? - Are you talking about heresy? The "thousand years of Christianity" as you put it, was responsible for enough judicial murder (of people insulting the Church) to put 'Christianity' in the same league as Mao, Uncle Joe, and Adolph! . . . no freedom of speech back then my son.

You have right to be critical of Islam (inciting violence is the 'sin' per se). You have to be above that - you wouldn't want to be like them. . . . it could potentially ruin your HT!

Sorleyboy.

The point I'm making is that Freedom of Speech has reigned unimpaired in Britain throughout my lifetime, and ridiculing the Church has been a part and parcel of British satire. The Church has had to take it on the chin, as in the "blashphemous" Jerry Springer musical last Christmas.

Now this has all changed, since it is impermissble to ridcule and satire Islam in Great Britain.

In case you have forgotten, Salman Rushdie did just this (actually, what he wrote was trivial compared with Jerry Springer..) and there were riots worldwide, and he was subjected to a death sentence.

This Islamic intolerance and paranoid sensitivity to "insult" has now resulted in the loss of our Freedom of Speech, since the new law has been drafted for the Islamic community, not the Christians.

It's not a question of "being like them". It's a question of being intimidated by "them" into curtailing Freedom of Speech.

Kes
. . . Don't get too concerned about this - your freedom of speech has always been safe. Unless you are thinking about a massive leaflet campaign that results in a second 'Kristalnacht' - the law won't be picking you up for satire, jokes or critical debate. If you check out the Home Office guidelines on the new Bill

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- I think you'll find that it's only the likes of extremist Nationalist parties that will have to be more careful. . . . (Go on! - tell me that you're a member of the BNP!) . . . and the law will even protect me - as a Godless heathen . . . ('ere, now where did I put that volume by Neitzche?)

Sorleyboy