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Old 04-01-2008, 01:23 PM
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Is that a "Your Mom joke"

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"You can't blame an insurance company for trying to give their customers the best care value for the lowest cost. Sometimes it gets off and isn't perfect, but it's still better than anywhere else."

My uncle has 4 kids, and works 2 jobs just to make sure his kids have health insurance. He pays over $180 a week for this insurance. Last year he fell off of a ladder and hurt his shoulder. He went to the hospital and got treated. 1 month later he got a letter in the mail claiming they werent covering his hospital visit. They say his condition was pre-existing because 2 years earlier he hurt that same shoulder in a skiing accident. 2 days later he received a bill in the mail for over $1500 for the hospital visit. Now if someone pays that much money each week and gets turned down because of a pre-existing condition that to me isnt the insurance company trying to give it's CX the best care at the lowest price. I'd hate to see how it works elsewhere. Oh and then there is my grandmothers RX drugs, but i wont get into that.
Could you explain the mom joke?
It seems to me we've gotten off the subject though! Proscar is cheaper but you'll still need a RX right?
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Old 04-01-2008, 02:18 PM
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Dakota,

It wasn't a mom joke. I was cutting up because my mom, who is 72 and in perfect health, sounds exactly the same as an earlier post about the docs getting kickbacks. She gets on my dad for taking the cholestrol drugs and says the drs. are in cahoots w/ the drug companies because everytime she goes to him he's wanting to give her a script.

It was more of a "my" mom joke, than anyone else's. Unfortunately, at this time she can out cardio me so I shouldn't be making fun at her expense on here. A couple of your post sound like her, though. Trust me, though, I don't mean that as a bad thing because she also happens to be one of the greatest people to ever walk on this earth, so that's more of a compliment than a joke.

But yeah, I got me a script for Proscar b/c it's much cheaper. You have to get a pill cutter though and take it M-W-F. I think you have to tell them to double the number on your PSA test as well.
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Old 04-01-2008, 02:40 PM
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OH! Thanks for the compliment then. I currently spend $70 a month on propecia and it's a little expensive. Im definatly going to talk to my doc about the proscar now though. Im sure he'll prescribe it for me. You know... considering he's getting something out of it. LOL. Thanks again
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Thank you!!
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Old 04-02-2008, 04:36 AM
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Dakota,

It wasn't a mom joke. I was cutting up because my mom, who is 72 and in perfect health, sounds exactly the same as an earlier post about the docs getting kickbacks. She gets on my dad for taking the cholestrol drugs and says the drs. are in cahoots w/ the drug companies because everytime she goes to him he's wanting to give her a script.

In a way your mom is right. Dr's are very quick to put you on drugs for the rest of your life when diet and exercise can fix the problem.

As far as then not getting kickbacks well do a little research.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/bu...=1&oref=slogin


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120114138064112219.html

http://www.mcgowanhood.com/CM/HotTopics/Doctors-paid-to...lify-to-children.asp


http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=880399
You know, speaking of just regular family practice docs; some time ago we had a discussion about M.D. vs. D.O. and it seems a D.O. might be a great option for ones family doc as they tend to take a more holistic approach. I agree with you about that, as my doc will give me a prescription for anything if I ask him. I don't think they are all like that though. And I'm sure he doesn't get a kickback for it.

I don't have time to read the articles right now, but with the NYT's history I wouldn't believe them if they said Jimmy Hoffa once committed a crime. But, thanks for the link and i'll come back.
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HT55-
I read your link. And allthough the story states:
"Federal laws bar drug companies from paying doctors to prescribe medicines that are given in pill form and purchased by patients from pharmacies. But companies can rebate part of the price that doctors pay for drugs, like the anemia medicines, which they dispense in their offices as part of treatment. The anemia drugs are injected or given intravenously in physicians' offices or dialysis centers. Doctors receive the rebates after they buy the drugs from the companies. But they also receive reimbursement from Medicare or private insurers for the drugs, often at a markup over the doctors' purchase price.", it's still technically "money given to the doctors".
So, I stand corrected. I guess I'm just outside the loop.
That said, on topic, I don't believe any "kickback" phenomena occurs in the everyday HT surgeons practice prescribing propecia/proscar.

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Old 04-02-2008, 06:57 PM
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Well if the Times wrote an article like that saying Dr's get Millions to prescribe drugs and it wasn't true they would be sued big time !!

I saw it once on 20/20 also.

Now a HT DR wouldn;t get a kickback because he only prescribes Propecia for the most part and people who see him have their minds made up for the most part.

A PCP dr on the other hands writes a lot of prescriptions each day and has many drugs to choose from.
Probably not unless they named some names. Shoot, people been saying lawyers are scoundrels for years without getting sued. The NYT has been involved in some notorious stories in the past few years of stuff where major facts were made up. So, imo, once a liar always a liar for tha Times.
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