For an example of why certain doctors are not recommended on this site, I think the members of this forum will find the following thread on another board very interersting. Where the graft estimate of 2700 comes from I can only imagine. And this kid is only 21 years old and apparently self-medicating w/ Avodart.... [shakes head]

http://hairlosshelp.com/forums/messa...threadid=62704

That guy's hair looks to be about a NW zero and to recommend 2700 grafts is ridiculous in my opinion. Donor supply is finite.

Nikkop23,

The example you point out illustrates exactly why Dr. Armani is not recommended on this site - despite all the hype and fan fare generated about him on other forums.

If indeed Dr. Armani recommended 2,700 grafts to a 21 year old kid with a thick mop of hair (yes "Norwood 0", well said Richmonius) this is just outrageous but not unexpected.

Unfortunately Dr. Alvi Armani is well known for dense packing young men in the temples at the first sign of any recession. Some of these kids will some day be men with teenage hairlines in front of large bald areas that no longer have the donor hair to cover them.

Any Coalition doctor could dense pack a kid's hairline until they looked like a werewolf. But if they did they wouldn't be in the Coalition.

In my opinion, I think when it comes to the name Armani one better be buying a suit and not a hair transplant.

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Shane, Armani spokesman, is now threatening nikkop with legal action on the other site.

I know Dr. Armani needs to know about that pesky ammendment #1 that gaurentees free speach (i.e. the right to have opinions and express them publicly).

I suggest nikkop23 make it clear that he is stating his "opinion" by prefacing his comments with "In my opinion . . . "

Dr. Armani, along with a few other notables, threatened to sue me in the past as well. But such intimidation tactics only work when a person allows themselves to be intimidated.

Again, in my opinion, Armani is a good name if you're buying a suit and not a hair transplant. But of course, that's just my opinion.

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Yes, I tried to make it clear that I was simply stating opinions, but apparently objecting to the dense packing of 5000 grafts into the frontal third of a 23 year old was too much for them. Their threshold of hysteria is very low, as Shane's brief and ultimately doomed foray onto this site some months back demonstrated. Something about that thread I posted this morning about the 21 year old being recommended 2700 grafts really set me off, though. If you look at his pictures, all you really see is that someone needs to buy the kid a bottle of dandruff shampoo. But it's wearying trying to engage in discussion with several rational and literate posters, the Armani online gestapo, and dozens of cheerleading early 20somethings who've seen pictures and can't understand why they can't do the very same thing right away. Examine the threads at any length and it becomes clear that some of them don't even grasp the concept of finite donor hair yet. I think I'll take a break over there for a while....

Nikkop23,

It's commendable that you are fighting the good fight. Since you have no financial compensation for your sincere advocacy, you will often find yourself out numbered and out gunned by the online cheerleaders.

Some clinics are very sensitive to what is said on the forums because so much of their revenue is derived online. They count on people not having the guts or will to stand up to them.

You're right, their cheerleaders got their asses kicked on this forum a few weeks back and they haven't been back since. I guess they know this forum and its members are a tough crowd that doesn't take well to hype and transparent arguments.

Of course, in a few years you will be proven right. But that's small solace now, since even those you want to help will often even condemn you.

Kudos to you for having the guts to call a spade a spade, even when the spade wants to chop your head off. We need more people like you with balls on the forums.

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While I almost completely agree, I would only like it mentioned that again we are making these assumptions based on non-definitive photos. As for the case on hlh forum with 5k being placed in the first 1/3, yes that is pushing the envelope IN MY OPINION but I don't think you stated that enough N23... sounded like definitive answers not just opinions...just saying you are walking a thin line be careful. Your post say all the right things ( I believe a hlh member followed up your questioning with.. I wan't to do the same thing so why is it bad?-you answer may help save him) ...just think you would be more affective if you watch your tone or state it as your OPINION more definitively.

Any how your fighting the good fight

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Point well taken, bayscholar, but I find it pretty weak rhetorically having to bend over backwards qualifying everything I say with "it's only my opinion" because that much is obvious--who else's opinion would it be? Do I have to preface every declarative statement I make over there with an "opinion" disclaimer? Taken to such an absurd extreme, it makes for bad writing, bad thinking, and ultimately bad discussion, which I can understand is in the financial interests of certain parties trying to squelch debate.

All I was trying to convey in my reply to KK was that it is NOT a matter of opinion that someone who needs 5000 grafts (or even 2000 grafts, say) at age 23 is in danger of eventually reaching a high Norwood classification. From what I have read, final loss patterns cannot usually even be determined at such a young age. And I don't think it's a matter of opinion that hair loss does not stabilize in one's 20s. DHT inhibitors can't keep you above water forever, or at least you shouldn't plan on them doing so. But to have a clinic say they can just make it less dense toward the back should you lose any more hair in the future is an oversimplification meant for the consumption of overwrought and impulsive young men, and not what I'd call genuine patient education. Is this merely my personal opinion? Well, in order to indemnify myself, I guess I better say that it is.

n23,

Again, your message is good, I'm with you brother....just figured you would make more of an impact if it was refined a touch that's all.

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