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Old 03-06-2013, 07:30 AM
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what about flucinolone acetonide 0.01% topical solution alternatively with minoxidill
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Old 09-08-2016, 05:51 PM
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Anything apparently that effects DHT in any way seems to risk sexual side effects.
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Would it be better to simply use topical products directly as opposed to internal supplements?
Not if you want your hair back, topical crap MAY slow down hair loss but since we are all different and lose hair at different speed theres no way of telling if they work at all for you. Minoxidil did absolutely nothing for me even when i was in the early stages of MPB.

Finasteride however did do something, i had been bald on top for 20 years and after 6 months of less than 1mg Finasteride per day i saw some regrowth, and one night out my occasional girlfriend commented on it, the little hairs were thick and stiff like normal hair, not the tiny soft ones that often grows on bald heads, so the result was actually a miracle.

Now, the bad effects, early on i had some testicle pain but it passed, then i had some testicle shrinkage and reduced sperm load which were more permanent, though both sideeffects got a bit better after more than a year. I dont think it affected my testosterone level as my upper arms and thigh muscles has grown an inch since.

Sexual ability went up and stayed up, it became more effortless to ejaculate 3 or more times in a row (if the girl is pretty enough that is, thats still the main requirement). It was possible to ejaculate with minimal amounts of stimulation (if i wanted to, its different from premature ejaculation) but that stopped when i stopped taking Finasteride.

Thats my sexual side effects, it didnt do anything bad actually but i see that the risk is too high, if you get erectile dysfunction it will be permanent and no way back. I was lucky, for you it could be a disaster, the stake is VERY high and being bald is only as bad as you make it, just gain some weight and be like those bad ass bald bikers, for example. I do not recommend Finasteride, just saying its the only thing that so far has worked for me.

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Old 09-10-2016, 01:37 PM
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And how bad is it to be bald? Some female facebook friends participated in a vote for most attractive action hero, Jason Statham won clearly with a lot more votes than guys like Arnold and Sylvester combined, and Bruce Willis did very well too, especially considered his age. Now imagine Jason and Bruce if they let their hair grow, half bald with combover, how lame is that? Shave your head guys, youll be surprised how many girls like it, being bald is only bad if you try to hide it, combover guys will never get any votes for being handsome. Its a big step but its the best you can do when the bald spot on top gets obvious, and you can always let it grow out again if ever you get treated. Holding on to thin hair is the worst you can do.
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Old 09-14-2016, 11:42 AM
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And how bad is it to be bald? Some female facebook friends participated in a vote for most attractive action hero, Jason Statham won clearly with a lot more votes than guys like Arnold and Sylvester combined, and Bruce Willis did very well too, especially considered his age. Now imagine Jason and Bruce if they let their hair grow, half bald with combover, how lame is that? Shave your head guys, youll be surprised how many girls like it, being bald is only bad if you try to hide it, combover guys will never get any votes for being handsome. Its a big step but its the best you can do when the bald spot on top gets obvious, and you can always let it grow out again if ever you get treated. Holding on to thin hair is the worst you can do.
Sure lots of women do like the bald look but it goes with certain attributes like a well shaped head and more importantly a certain physique, normally the muscly type, it's a type a lot of women find attractive , but of course confidence is what women really like bald or hairy.
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but of course confidence is what women really like bald or hairy.
............... And a massive ........................wallet!:d:d
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I also feel that my own recent hairloss was hormone related. Ive had thick hair all my life and only minor receding in the normal level which only started about 5 yrs ago....about 2 yrs ago my hair loss speeding up dramatically without warning or cause?...ive always felt it was hormonal. And plan of getting T - levels checked to see if maybe low testosterone may have been the cause?
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Then there is dutasteride...
O.K. I wont go off-label here.
Here is something to contemplate. Men find supplementing testosterone can boost sex drive and performance. So, you don't hear guys worried about "impotence, ejaculation problems, decreased amounts of semen, decrease in testicle size;" Those are actual side effects of testosterone. Look it up!
Every medication can have risk, but most men who use Propecia find the benefits outweigh the risks. (I do not work for Merck)
If the long term users are seeing sexual health issues, can it truly be isolated that that is the only causative factor?
I think most men 50+ would say they are different from when they where 20 or even 30.
Could there be other factors? Taking anti-depressants, too much alcohol, sedentary lifestyle, diabetes, heart health issues? All of these can be causative factors in of themselves,. Therefore it is not so easy to say it isn't me- it's the Propecia! Says the manly man.
Don't get me wrong, there are guys that do have performance issues, it is just hard to prove with so many variables. The "hard" pun was not intended- at first.
OK, that might have been a bit much.
Natural DHT blockers exist but I have not seen anything to make me feel that they will be very beneficial at slowing hair loss. I say if you feel it helps, take it. However, if it begins to fail you- seek expert advice.
Oh and SOY!?!? Soy can increase estrogen. That is for another forum.

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Natural DHT blockers exist but I have not seen anything to make me feel that they will be very beneficial at slowing hair loss.

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Which ones are they? i would give it a try....I agree with the testosterone analogy...as for the estrogen implication...are you saying that LESS testosterone, and more estrogen would slow Hairloss ...bc i was thinking the opposite in my own case. Seemed like my hair loss happened right at an age where my T levels dropped.
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Old 10-26-2017, 02:31 PM
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The estrogen comment was kind of "off the cuff." I recalled soy or soy isoflavinoids being mentioned back on page one of the topic. I was thinking of that topic might be better in the physical fitness issues forum where diet and nutrition are often discussed. Many protein bars and powders derive protein from a soy base. If you are trying to build up fitness, muscle etc. One might not want a protein to that also enhances estrogen.
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....I agree with the testosterone analogy...as for the estrogen implication...are you saying that LESS testosterone, and more estrogen would slow Hairloss ...bc i was thinking the opposite in my own case. Seemed like my hair loss happened right at an age where my T levels dropped.
Less testosterone means less DHT. Less DHT would likely slow MP hair loss.
More estrogen does not necessarily mean less DHT. (This could light up those in academia on differences in vivo /in vitro)

When your T levels dropped that could be a factor or it could be coincidence. I think it could be the latter. Your hair loss probably started years ago. Humans visual acuity isn't so great after all. It takes approximately a loss of 50% of your hair to notice it is just beginning to thin. Therefore, you would have to have a dramatic amount of loss in a very short period of time. Acute Telogen effluvium. This is usually different from MP loss, where the loss can appear to be global. The weakest follicles/hair would likely be the first to go- like those in a withering male pattern.

To Low T: Lowering T lowers DHT. This happens naturally as men age. So, HL can slow down. Where it gets confusing is T will GROW MORE HAIR.. on your body. Higher T means more DHT production. IF you have the genetics for MP hair loss, then the rate of loss could increase and the caliber of your hair would decrease.

Saw Palmetto is commonly called a "DHT blocker". In European studies it has been shown it can do this. Many physicians familiar with the parameters of studies will tell you those findings are suspect. So believe it if you want. In my opinion, it may have DHT blocking properties BUT not enough to have an effect on male pattern loss. Perhaps if it is not so effective therapeutically, it may not be so effective at causing sexual dysfunction issues.

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