mikethedane i think 3500-4500 grafts would do a great job if my loss in the crown was less.
Now i think its gonna take too much grafts to look somehow good.
I m still going for the strip cause FUE seems not to be able to satisfy my goals.And i m really concern about chances of low survival rate of FUE, i need to save as many grafts as i can for the future.
yskhleif i feel exactly the same,bald shaved men look 1000 times better than those with sparse long hair.

believe me I felt like you and was about to pull the plug for FUT. If you are NW6 you would really need at least 5000K grafts to do a great job, you have to know and accept the fact NW6 is not like a NW2,3.4 or 5. Once you start with HT FUT there is one of tow possibilities, you have to do more operations since you already paid the price by having a scar, or you are doomed.

Look at how many grafts some NW6 patients get from the best coalition docs here, some receive bout 5000 grafts and above in one operation. And there is a chance that you still need another operation And I feel that this is what is required at least for a NW6.

Since you already paid the price by having a scar for life, imagine how many operations from FUT you must do to achieve your final goal of density. You will need at least 2-3 operations, and do you have the budget for that and the patience for it. I am sure one thing you will experience is if you are a NW6 patient and your first HT is not up to your expectations, you will regret the whole thing, and will be doubtful that it will work for you, and that only you ended up up with a scar. If you are a NW6 and start the FUT HT you will not able to go back if the outcome you don't like from the first operation. Another thing is the stress from having a scar for life that you have to worry about all your life

On the other Hand if you had FUE for in 2 operations 1st to be 3000 FUE's and then another after a year for 1500 FUE, you might meet your goals, and if not then you have the best backup to just buzz off short, and look as normal as possible.

Believe me think about it many many times, a scar for life is something that can't be removed at all. BUT an unsatisfactory HT via FUE can be overcome by just buzzing and look normal, of course you need a decent and professional clinic to do it for you, if you really are speculating whether the HT result will achieve good results, and are a NW6 type patient definitely reconsider. As I told you I canceled my FUT with the clinic I booked for Nov-2 to reconsider it done by them via FUE in the future based on my fears of an unsatisfactory outcome due to the fact that I am a NW6. No way on earth will I do FUT and end up having a scar if the outcome of my HT will not up to my expectations which most likely.

On the other hand I might take the chance with FUE in two operations for a total of about 4500 grafts and accept that the outcome might not be up to my expectations with the back up to buzz off. OFF course now way will I accept a clinic to do my FUE unless they show me proof how they extract the follicles and what punch sizes they use no way at all, and back up with photos.

Balboa, I am not an armani fan boy or whatever, this is really insulting. You can ask Bill who I am, I am real NW6 patient, that went through hell to decide what is best for me, and Bill knows how many times I consulted him. Maybe I don't agree with Bill's advices for some personal reasons, but I am in now way affiliated to any clinic at all. And Bill knows my story and how worried I was undergoing for a strip since I am a NW6, and many many people told me that NW6 need at least 5000 grafts to achieve good results.

So please don't start accusing me being a promoter or whatever, I am really going under lots of stress.

IT IS A FACT A NW6 will need at least 5000 grafts and still maybe more. IT is a fact that from one operation with 2500 to 3000 grafts for a NW6 are nothing but a disaster in my opinion. And I am so sure that having a decent outcome via FUE 4500 grafts under 2 operations for a NW6 will better since you can accept a short short hair style with no fear of a scar.

So please Balboa apologize for your statement about me being fan boy of armani

yskhleif - i don't think Balboa was referring to your post, I think he was referring to what Omar77 had posted as the 'advice' given to him by a FUE clinic consultant/rep.

Hi yskhleif

i wasnt refering to your post i was refering the the email recived by Omar77 i should have used the quote option to save confusion
i am very disapointed with my own armani HT and wish i had never had it done i have been through loads of problems from the begining and there still happening now, basicly they screwed my hairline design left me with loads of scaring in the recipiant site, left me with hardly any donar and also one side did not even grow properly not to mension the fact that im loosing transplanted hair at the moment which im hopeing is just a shed but knowing my luck so far i will do well to make it to the end of the year without looking like i did before i went in + scaring

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I think it is a big big gamble for NW6 patients to do a transplant unless you consider the following:

1- That you must admit to yourself that no matter how tempted you are to do a HT you must know that the outcome from the first operation might just look really not up to your expectations, since a NW6 will definately need in my opinion at least 5000 grafts in his first operation.

2- You have the budget to do at least 2-3 operations, and starting with at least the first operation to be at least 5000 grafts.
THis is to avoid the depression or unhappy feeling that could result from doing the first HT. I am sure that less than 5000 grafts will give bad results, and this will affect a NW6 hugely. Usually the area to cover for a NW6 patient is about 150 cm2, if you multiply it with an acceptable density this means 150*40=6000 grafts. So it is a must to grant at least 5000 grafts to focus on the 1/3 and 2/3 of the scalp which then will leave you with the crwon to work on later. I will never ever accept less than 5000 grafts FUT, since I will be doomed since I have to maintain my hair a little long to hide the scar.

3- You have to have the donor supply for at least 8000 grafts as a total for 2-3 operations.
THis is really important.


I really think this forum should really consider putting a real solid guideline for NW6 patients and let them understand what the implication are if a patinet goes for a transplant with less than 5000 grafts. This is no joke at all, who wants to look with a freaking hair style when a NW6 patients goes in for the first operation with only 2500 to 3000 grafts. It will be a misery for the patient, and him just look ridiculous.

Also Doctors should treat NW6 cases with all care, and explain to them what a NW6 outcome would be if less than 5000 grafts are used. I feel so relieved now that i cancelled my HT with FUT. I will no matter what accept looking weird with a sparse hairline.

I might however accept doing 3000 graft FUE and maintain my hair very very short, and know that I might need toppik to help me a little in covering some areas. With the knowledge that I will go in for another FUE for about 1500 grafts after a year, and also I will keep my hiar very very short and I might still need toppik to cover some areas. But AT least I know if the whole 4500 grafts just did a bad job then I will buzz off.

Now I will never ever accept a clinic that has a bad reputation in FUE, like armani or whatever. THey have to proof to me that they use tools that prodcue minimal scarring, since the whole deal here to have the backup plan to buzz off.


Finally Balboa, could you post some pictures, and what NW6 scale are you? Do your scar prevent you from buzzing to clip#1. And finally I am sorry I accused you so please accept also my apology

yskhleif i m not nw6, i have attached 2 pics in previous messages u can see them and tell me what u think.
I m still thinking of it every day FUE-FUT-FUE-FUT

for me and I getting convinced as days go by that I don't want a scar in my head, unless there is at least 5000 grafts granted for a NW6 in the first operation.

As you say in your pics you don't seem that you r a NW6 but maybe some experts can tell you if you will head to a NW6. If yes and within a year or 2 then you better wait and in that case apple the rule above if you want FUT. Or just go on from now with FUE, the scar is a big no for someone who is heading to a NW6 in my opinion since NW6 HT most don't give results as expected in no matter what way you do it. So try FUE if you don't like it buzz off